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AA 773 & 787 Routes From Mia  
User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10558 times:

With AA finally getting the 773 into the fleet and eventually the 787.
What are the possible routes they can start from Mia?

I know its been said on this site that Mia/Nrt was a possibility & that there
was a chance to start Mia/Jnb or Cpt.

How about Mia/Hnl?

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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12521 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10553 times:

I really can't see either MIA-NRT or MIA-HNL starting. In the former case, while it might be technically feasible, I'm not sure the traffic would be there to support it; AA would be as well off contunuing to route Florida bound/originating pax via DFW or ORD (or even JFK, but that's a bit out of the way).

As for MIA-HNL, both are effectively holiday destinations and I'm not sure if there's much in the way of cultural/business links between FL and HA; like NRT, it could also be much better served via DFW or ORD (or indeed LAX).

South Africa is probably a strong possibility, as are some points in Europe; however these could be served by 772s or 763s and if AA hasn't done so by now, maybe there isn't that much of a market.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10525 times:

MIA-NRT will happen either on JL or AA, with a 787 eventually. The traffic can support at least one flight to Asia. I wouldn't be surprised to see South Africa, Middle East as well. Also, the economics of the 787 might be a better fit for some current South America and European routes.

MIA-HNL? Nope.


User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10495 times:

Would the 787 be good on MIA-LPB or VVI currently used by a 757?
I forgot which one but one is 14,000 feet above sea level.


User currently offline4engines4lnghll From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10424 times:
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MIA-NRT and MIA-HNL will most likely never happen. MIA-HNL would fly straight over DFW so it just makes more sense to fly MIA-DFW and switch planes to HNL. If MIA-NRT some how does work out that's great, but that would be one long flight I would not want to go on.


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User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 10382 times:

I know that JL & AA have a good alliance going & it might be one or the other flying this route. I think MIA-NRT has the demand.
The flight time will be a little longer than NRT-JFK or HKG-JFK and they operate it successfully.

I know its two completely different routes. I was just comparing flight times.


User currently offlinekeny156 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9967 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 3):

LPB is the highest airport served by AA. Flight 922 does MIA-LPB-VVI-MIA

Quoting mia305 (Reply 5):

AA doesnt operate NRT-JFK or HKG-JFK. They only operate HND-JFK.

I think MIA NRT will happen or ORD HKG at some point with the new American.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9927 times:

MIA-NRT will happen at some point whether it will be sucessful and stay who knows but when the 787s finally come in AA will try it at some point or maybe JAL will give it a shot.

I also thinks JNB will happen at some point but not sure what aircraft they would use.

I'm sure we will see the 787 on plenty of MIA routes especially when the 767s strart to retire. As for 773 routes I would expect a MIA-GRU and/or EZE flight to get one or both. Also would not be surprised to see MIA-LHR get it. What I am more excited about is having more 777s free which hopefully we can see some expansion with AA to Europe like MXP and maybe just maybe TLV.



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User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9809 times:

TLV would be nice. Would it be better served from JFK or MIA?

Would the 787 be a good replacement for the MIA-LPB-VVI-MIA route
when aa starts phasing them out. I know wear oxygen masks when they
land at LPB. Planes are restricted from flying there because of the altitude.
The 757 is only plane capable of making that route.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9903 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9726 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 8):
TLV would be nice. Would it be better served from JFK or MIA?

I would think it will be better served from JFK but who knows. LY used to fly to MIA as well so I'm guessing there is demand.

A388


User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9671 times:

Didn't LY discontinue the route because of low demand?

Maybe AA can make it work. Has the demand increased in MIA
dice LY last served the route?


User currently offlineripcordd From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1176 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9587 times:

MIA-NRT will happen for sure huge connection to S/America to make 1 stop ......It will happen 1000% once the 787s start coming in...

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9903 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9571 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 10):
Didn't LY discontinue the route because of low demand?

I know it was discontinued but don't know why it was discontinued. I think member mah4546 can fill us in here.

A388


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9423 times:
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787 will eventually operate the 767 flights to Rio and Santiago, Chile. Any 777 flight could be upgraded to 77W. We could see 2 777 daily to EZE one being a 772( with only J and Y) and the second a 77W( with First Class). Miami will eventually have its share of teh 77W and 787 AA bounty on the usual routes but we will at some point see an A350-900 from the Usair fleet, hey llent planes for Brazil.

User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33043 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9393 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 10):
Didn't LY discontinue the route because of low demand?

High fuel prices. It was using an ancient, fuel guzzling 767-200ER. Demand between Miami and Israel is significant and healthy.



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User currently offlineAAIL86 From Finland, joined Feb 2011, 418 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9367 times:

Quoting mia305 (Thread starter):
How about Mia/Hnl?

MIA-HNL?

No. There is already one stop service to all the islands from DFW and LAX.

Quoting mia305 (Thread starter):
I know its been said on this site that Mia/Nrt

MIA-NRT?

Yes. If not with the 77W then at least the 787.



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User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9357 times:

I couldve sworn that LY used a 777 on the route before being discontinued

Why wouldnt MIA-HNL work isn't there enough demand from S. America and local demand.


User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9330 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 16):
I couldve sworn that LY used a 777 on the route before being discontinued

Why wouldnt MIA-HNL work isn't there enough demand from S. America and local demand.

Nah, it was a 762.

I don't think there is any demand from SA to Hawaii. Hawaii is a leisure market and there are plenty that are much more accessible.

If someone really wants to go to Hawaii from South America they can do it through IAH or DFW.



ET In NYC
User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8487 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9280 times:

MIA-NRT has 77W written all over it, IMHO. Maybe a 787 to start but this route will grow to a 77W I think.

User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9258 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 16):

I couldve sworn that LY used a 777 on the route before being discontinued
Quoting AA787 (Reply 17):
Nah, it was a 762.

MIA305, your right. I've seen the LY's 772 on approach many a days. Granted they could have switched between the 762/3 but I know for sure they served it with 772's before the removal of the route.


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MIA-HLN is a no go. I dont see people leaving a tropical spot to travel ___ hours to fly to another more expensive destination (HLN). Even if it was connecting traffic from else where.


User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9257 times:

Would it be possible for a 77W from MIA-Seoul or is that too far
that plane?

Would it be better served from JFK or LAX?


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33043 posts, RR: 71
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9248 times:

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 19):
MIA305, your right. I've seen the LY's 772 on approach many a days. Granted they could have switched between the 762/3 but I know for sure they served it with 772's before the removal of the route.

It was a 772/744 mix when it was via Newark. Non-stop was always a 762.



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User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9219 times:

I knew I wasn't going crazy saying that. Besides JNB & CPT
what possible routes could they open to Africa from MIA?


User currently offlineFlyVail From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9208 times:

Love this thread. As a (semi-)recent transplant to the FL Keys, I am just starting to get more familiar with AA. Used to fly UA out of DEN almost exclusively.

New flights to Europe on new AA metal would be great.

Would there be any chance of MIA-SYD, MIA-AKL or even MIA-SIN?


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7690 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 9196 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 16):
Why wouldnt MIA-HNL work isn't there enough demand from S. America and local demand.

The yields are garbage and the market isnt as large as you would think.

Quoting FlyVail (Reply 23):
Would there be any chance of MIA-SYD, MIA-AKL or even MIA-SIN?

Never in our lifetime.

Of all the routes talked about in this thread, MIA-NRT has the greatest chance. Its a perfect 787 route and should be marketed as a Florida-Japan nonstop flight. The target should not and would not be Latin America connections as all the big ones are already served via DFW or JFK. MIA-Asia is a market that could mature over time.



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User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9487 times:

Is Seoul a possibility or is that a stretch for both aircraft?

What's going to happen to the mia-lpb-vvi route. As far as I know only the
the 757 can do it. Will the 787 replace it?

[Edited 2013-03-07 12:59:40]

User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 26, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9268 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 25):
Is Seoul a possibility or is that a stretch for both aircraft?

What's going to happen to the mia-lpb-vvi route. As far as I know only the
the 757 can do it. Will the 787 replace it?

Hey mia305, welcome to a.net. Love the enthusiasm! You seem to have posted the question about LPB/VVI several times in this thread. People have seen it, but it appears that nobody has an answer for you just yet. I can assure you that the folks at AA won't let a money making route disappear and will have some sort of plan for it.

There isn't a market for ICN the same way there is for NRT... mainly because NRT offers connections to the rest of Asia through AA's partner JAL.

Route development is an inherently geographic/ economic science. Instead of throwing darts at a map to pick new routes (even though sometimes it feels like airlines do just that), they focus on where different demographics are and where they want to be and how they can be flown through their route network optimally. With that in mind... it is important to think about what makes sense for AA and for the people it flies when proposing new route options as opposed to just naming far-flung locations just for the sake of argument.

As for my own 2 cents... I see these new routes coming to MIA on AA

COR (mentioned previously)
NAT
BEL
MXP
JNB
NRT
FOR
FCO
BER
FRA



ET In NYC
User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9213 times:

I see your point. That's some nice growth if and when it happens.
Would AA put the 77W on the Mia-Lax route. I know its a heavily
traveled route with high demand. I know for a time AA swapped it from a 763 to a 772.
I just never thought it would be good to sustain 2 daily 777's.


User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 28, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9167 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 27):
I see your point. That's some nice growth if and when it happens.
Would AA put the 77W on the Mia-Lax route. I know its a heavily
traveled route with high demand. I know for a time AA swapped it from a 763 to a 772.
I just never thought it would be good to sustain 2 daily 777's.

Only as a way to move the aircraft around from hub to hub. AA won't waste valuable 77W flights on domestic routes when they can be flown internationally. That is why the schedules change on these routes so frequently... simply aircraft placement.



ET In NYC
User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33043 posts, RR: 71
Reply 29, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9118 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 27):
just never thought it would be good to sustain 2 daily 777's.

It does sustain 2x daily 777s.



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User currently offlinemastermis From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2008, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9020 times:

A lot of people in the Cayman Islands would be thrilled if there was a MIA-JNB. Large South African population here and AA has 3x daily (2x in summer) to MIA.

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9666 posts, RR: 52
Reply 31, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8990 times:

There’s no question that MIA will get 77Ws and 787s in the long run, but expect them to show up on the same routes that we are very familiar with out of MIA.

I don’t think AA will start any new routes with the 77W. It has a slight range advantage over the 772ER, but barely any advantage in real world operations. The 77W was built because AA has some very high capacity routes. In particular LHR, GRU and EZE are very high capacity destinations in AA’s network. This is what the 77W is being purchased for. It’s got lower CASM than the 772, and will be a great fit for markets where AA has a large market share. With Brazil and LHR slot restricted, it makes the most sense to be deployed there. I say there is zero chance whatsoever of MIA getting any new destinations with the 77W that are not previously operated.

The 787-9 will bring some opportunity. It is a little smaller than the 772, so it may be a good airplane to operate on routes that don’t quite have enough capacity for a 777. I personally see the 787 being more useful in Asia for AA out of DFW, ORD, JFK, LAX and PHX. For MIA, outside of NRT, TLV & JNB, almost every international destination imaginable from MIA is within the 767’s range. If AA won’t try it on the 767, then they won’t on a 787. AA doesn’t operate to TLV from JFK which is a huge market, so I don’t see them launching from MIA. JFK-JNB is shorter than MIA-JNB, and again a larger market, so I’m not sure we’d see MIA-JNB. As for MIA-NRT, I think the chances are higher for JAL on the route since they are more interested in using their 787s to smaller US destinations than AA is on starting new international routes.

If AA was interested in HNL or any additional routes in Europe or South America, I would expect it to start with the 767.

[Edited 2013-03-07 14:20:33]


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User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8948 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 29):

What I ment to say was I'm suprised that the demand is there
to sustain two 777's year round.

Sorry bout that


User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8755 times:

Why didn't AA start the inaugural route with the 77W from MIA-GRU, instead
opting DFW. Isn't the demand higher from MIA than DFW?


User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 702 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8652 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 33):
Why didn't AA start the inaugural route with the 77W from MIA-GRU, instead
opting DFW. Isn't the demand higher from MIA than DFW?

Sure, but MIA has frequency where DFW has one and sometimes two daily flights. Also, easier to make the initial operating base for the 77W at DFW where they can have a spare 772 ready to go as it gets introduced into service.


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33043 posts, RR: 71
Reply 35, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8131 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 32):
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 29):


What I ment to say was I'm suprised that the demand is there
to sustain two 777's year round.

Why? Miami-Los Angeles is a huge local market. Every year over 1,000,000 local passengers fly between the two cities. And that doesn't even take into account the over 1,000,000 more that connect onwards. I believe it's the sixth largest market from Miami - after NYC, D.C., Atlanta, Chicago and Boston.

Quoting mia305 (Reply 33):
Why didn't AA start the inaugural route with the 77W from MIA-GRU, instead
opting DFW. Isn't the demand higher from MIA than DFW?

Because Dallas is the biggest crew base and allows the 77W to be familiarized with a large amount of pilots and FAs.

[Edited 2013-03-07 16:01:43]

[Edited 2013-03-07 16:02:09]


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User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7792 times:

I didn't realize there was that much..... WOW!

With so much demand and if it were possible why would they
fly all widebodies on that route?


User currently offlineDCAJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 37, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7774 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 13):
We could see 2 777 daily to EZE one being a 772( with only J and Y) and the second a 77W( with First Class).

Well, but AA is already doing 3 daily MIA/EZE/MIA rotations. Why would they reduce capacity?



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User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7737 times:

I believe they run 3 to 4 daily MIA-EZE-MIA. I might be wrong
on Sat they run a late morning early afternoon there.

Same for GRU. I could be wrong though


User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33043 posts, RR: 71
Reply 39, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7744 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 38):
I believe they run 3 to 4 daily MIA-EZE-MIA. I might be wrong
on Sat they run a late morning early afternoon there.

Same for GRU. I could be wrong though

3x daily to EZE, 4x daily to GRU.



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User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7577 times:

I couldve sworn that AA had an additional EZE flight on Sat.
I stand corrected.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Reply 41, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7434 times:

What's the likelihood of MIAHEL now that AY is part of the TATL JV with BA and IB?

User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33043 posts, RR: 71
Reply 42, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 7236 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 42):
What's the likelihood of MIAHEL now that AY is part of the TATL JV with BA and IB?

I think it's likely to come back on AA or AY in the mid-term future. Large local market and AY joining the JV adds a lot of synergy to help make up for the low yield.

AY clearly has some trans-Atlantic moves in the works, because if it didn't, it wouldn't be putting the cost and effort into joining the JBA. Miami is the next logical expansion past JFK and Chicago.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4522 posts, RR: 7
Reply 43, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6577 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 27):
Would AA put the 77W on the Mia-Lax route. I know its a heavily
traveled route with high demand. I know for a time AA swapped it from a 763 to a 772.
I just never thought it would be good to sustain 2 daily 777's.

I'm still shocked that they are running two 772s on the route (quite pleased, but shocked that we've had 2 772s daily for so many months).


User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6333 times:

With the high demand from the local and connecting pax between MIA- LAX and if it were possible
why wouldn't AA put all widebodies on that route.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3392 posts, RR: 6
Reply 45, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6180 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 14):
High fuel prices. It was using an ancient, fuel guzzling 767-200ER. Demand between Miami and Israel is significant and healthy.

   When I first started working at MIA, I was surprised by the amount of passengers flying to MAD and BCN who were continuing on to TLV.

Quoting mia305 (Reply 47):
With the high demand from the local and connecting pax between MIA- LAX and if it were possible why wouldn't AA put all widebodies on that route.

Partially because frequency trumps capacity, though MIA-LAX does see its fair share of widebodies.


User currently offlinemia305 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6103 times:

Well if AA gets their priorities straighten out with Israel maybe
MIA-TLV will come to fruition.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 47, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6044 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 31):
AA doesn’t operate to TLV from JFK which is a huge market, so I don’t see them launching from MIA. JFK-JNB is shorter than MIA-JNB, and again a larger market, so I’m not sure we’d see MIA-JNB. As for MIA-NRT

But other airlines already fly JFK-JNB and JFK-TLV. Both JNB and TLV are good size markets from MIA especially TLV. AA does not serve TLV at all right now due to some financial issues with TWA but now with US Airways with AA and US already does PHL-TLV I can see MIA-TLV at some point. As for Africa MIA is a great spot for AA to finally service Africa.

Quoting mia305 (Reply 41):
Would AA start MIA-AMS?

Don't think so. It is heavy tourist traffic and mostly from AMS. AA does not fly anywhere from AMS either making it less likely.



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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8487 posts, RR: 10
Reply 48, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5638 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 24):
The target should not and would not be Latin America connections as all the big ones are already served via DFW or JFK.

But MIA has far more frequencies which if a huge attraction for high yield passengers and gives more flexibility for connections (or missed connections). S.Florida is also a large business center for Latin America with a lot of corporate HQ's and business travelers often combine a stop at multiple destinations.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 31):
AA doesn’t operate to TLV from JFK which is a huge market, so I don’t see them launching from MIA. JFK-JNB is shorter than MIA-JNB, and again a larger market, so I’m not sure we’d see MIA-JNB.

I'm pretty sure AA will keep US's TLV destination. JFK is a bigger market but it also has more competition. Aren't the yields greater from MIA? That would be the biggest indication of the potential for JNB and TLV.


User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 49, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5576 times:

Quoting mia305 (Reply 44):
With the high demand from the local and connecting pax between MIA- LAX and if it were possible
why wouldn't AA put all widebodies on that route.

Again... they use their widebodies on routes that REQUIRE widebodies (i.e. long haul international routes). The 777s on that route are there for the sake of moving aircraft around the network. AA prefers frequency on the route so rather than 5 777s they can fly 8 or 9 757s (making these numbers up).



ET In NYC
User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 50, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5552 times:
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Quoting DCAJet (Reply 37):
Well, but AA is already doing 3 daily MIA/EZE/MIA rotations. Why would they reduce capacity?

I am NOT suggesting AA go from 3 to 2 daily, they do that normaly. They fly 3 around Christmas and the summer time in the USA. Since the 777 would otherwise sit on the ground all day at EZE, flying day time back to Miami requires no additional airplanes.


User currently offlineDCAJet From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 51, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5414 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 50):
I am NOT suggesting AA go from 3 to 2 daily, they do that normaly. They fly 3 around Christmas and the summer time in the USA. Since the 777 would otherwise sit on the ground all day at EZE, flying day time back to Miami requires no additional airplanes.

Huh? I lost you there. So what were you proposing then? Turning the second daily into a daytime flight? AA would never do that - daytime flights are perfect for when there is high demand from Argentina - Dec to April and July-August, but during the rest of the year they are yield-killers as most high fare paying frequent flyers avoid them like the plague. Sorry but your proposal makes no sense vis-a-vis the actual demand patterns from deep South America.



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User currently onlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 1558 posts, RR: 51
Reply 52, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4860 times:
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Studies show daily roundtrip passenger frequencies on both 747-400 and 777-300ER, with load factors ranging from 83% to 85%. Japan-Florida O&D passenger traffic ranges between 118,000 and 143,000 annual passengers with 163,000 to 205,000 overall passengers. Miami offers the most opportunities for connections to Brazil and all of Latin American/Caribbean markets for Tokyo’s 325,000 annual O&D traffic travelling to/from Latin America and the Caribbean. Qualifies for MIA Air Service Incentives

I would expect a 77W, and 747 to fly NRT-MIA but time will tell if a 787 will take the job



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User currently offlinejmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3296 posts, RR: 15
Reply 53, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

Quoting keny156 (Reply 6):
I think MIA NRT will happen

No need for it.

Quoting keny156 (Reply 6):
ORD HKG at some point with the new American.

CX already does it.

Try DFW-HKG.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8428 posts, RR: 7
Reply 54, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4427 times:
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Quoting DCAJet (Reply 51):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 50):I am NOT suggesting AA go from 3 to 2 daily, they do that normaly. They fly 3 around Christmas and the summer time in the USA. Since the 777 would otherwise sit on the ground all day at EZE, flying day time back to Miami requires no additional airplanes.Huh? I lost you there. So what were you proposing then? Turning the second daily into a daytime flight? AA would never do that - daytime flights are perfect for when there is high demand from Argentina - Dec to April and July-August, but during the rest of the year they are yield-killers as most high fare paying frequent flyers avoid them like the plague. Sorry but your proposal makes no sense vis-a-vis the actual demand patterns from deep South America.

DCA Jet,

clearly you don't realize the flight to EZE stay on the ground all day for a nightly return to Miami, but during the high season AA operates a third daytime flight with the same airplane. It becomes 2 nightly daily flights and one daytime flight for 3 daily flights.


User currently offlineKD5MDK From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4088 times:

Quoting Miami (Reply 52):
I would expect a 77W, and 747 to fly NRT-MIA but time will tell if a 787 will take the job

Who would operate this 747?


User currently onlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 1558 posts, RR: 51
Reply 56, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3984 times:
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Quoting KD5MDK (Reply 55):

ANA? I doubt it though seeing only 5 in fleet.

I would see 2 77W and 1-2 787 daily.



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User currently offlineKD5MDK From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

Quoting Miami (Reply 56):
ANA? I doubt it though seeing only 5 in fleet.

I would see 2 77W and 1-2 787 daily.

Especially since they are domestic models:
http://boeing-747.com/boeing_747_family/747-400d.php
Also consider that MIA is a fortress hub for AA so any non-OW airline would have a tough time drawing loyalty.

Quoting Miami:
Japan-Florida O&D passenger traffic ranges between 118,000 and 143,000 annual passengers with 163,000 to 205,000 overall passengers. Miami offers the most opportunities for connections to Brazil and all of Latin American/Caribbean markets for Tokyo’s 325,000 annual O&D traffic travelling to/from Latin America and the Caribbean.

I'm not sure what the difference between the 118k and 205k numbers is, but if I add the 205k+325k and divide by 365 and then by 2, I get 737 PDEW. That's 2 77Ws daily. Assuming that all of the passengers between Japan and Florida, Caribbean, Latin America took these flights and none of them went via LAX, DFW, IAH, ATL, JFK etc. For a market that has 0 non-stops right now this feels like you're being extremely optimistic.


User currently offlineairdfw From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3440 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 42):
AY clearly has some trans-Atlantic moves in the works, because if it didn't, it wouldn't be putting the cost and effort into joining the JBA. Miami is the next logical expansion past JFK and Chicago.

What kind of work that needs to be done for joining JBA? I thought since they are in the same alliance and mostly codeshare flights, the effort is minimal?

Thanks,


User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3201 posts, RR: 5
Reply 59, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3296 times:
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Quoting Miami (Reply 56):
Quoting KD5MDK (Reply 57):

Indeed, those domestic 747s do not have nearly the range required for even a flight to the west coast.



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