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QR CEO Says Airbus Is Dropping A350-800  
User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1123 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 27665 times:

According to some news wires, QR CEO Al Baker says Airbus has told him they will drop the A350-800.
This has already been speculated about on this forum, but it is the first time someone is his position says it straight out.
I find it very interesting that AAB cites Airbus in this matter. Will anyone ever tell AAB something in the future? Seems to be the worst place to hide a secret.
Why is even AAB spreading this type of rumor?

"Qatar Airways chief executive Akbar Al Baker, who recently cancelled an order for the A350-800 and upgraded orders for sister models, said the 270-seater would not appear in service.
"They (Airbus) are not going to make the -800. This is what they told us," he told reporters at a trade fair."

Airbus of course officially denies this rumor.
"Airbus said it was sticking by the USD$254 million model.
"The A350-800 is a key member of our next-generation A350 family," spokesman Stefan Schaffrath said."

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1362614264.html


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User currently offlineseahawk From Germany, joined May 2005, 913 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 27634 times:

Maybe room for a A330NEO.

User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week ago) and read 27277 times:

It's about time that man knows what confidentiality and diplomacy is. It's not his business to broadcast what Airbus or Boeing plan to do with future new models.

User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 502 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week ago) and read 27208 times:

Quoting seahawk (Reply 1):
Maybe room for a A330NEO

Yesss, bring on the widebody GTF and the sharklets!
  


User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3378 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week ago) and read 27123 times:

Quoting seahawk (Reply 1):

Maybe room for a A330NEO.

No, Its that the A358 was completely and totally outclassed by another plane that arrives on the market before it....

The A359 completely negates the market for the A358. The costs of the A358 development is too high for the number of frames that could be justified by its minor reduction in fuel burn for those airlines not needing the extra capacity, flexiblity, and lower per seat costs.


User currently offlineunityofsaints From Ireland, joined Nov 2011, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 26867 times:

Smart decision, if it's true. Could the engineering resources made available by this move push forward the A320 NEO EIS, or is the bottleneck engine development time?

User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2092 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 26535 times:

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 4):
No, Its that the A358 was completely and totally outclassed by another plane that arrives on the market before it....

You mean the HGW 330?


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2113 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 25968 times:

Quoting unityofsaints (Reply 5):
Smart decision, if it's true. Could the engineering resources made available by this move push forward the A320 NEO EIS, or is the bottleneck engine development time?

They might be used to help make sure the NEO is on time, but unlikely that the NEO EIS will be moved forward. Throwing more engineers at a project doesn't necessarily make the project move any faster.

Most of the resources would likely be used on making sure they get the A350-1000 right.


User currently offlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 25714 times:

I wonder if AA/US is about to switch its 358s to 359s?

User currently offlinemicstatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 25716 times:

Why doesn't this guy ever shut is mouth? He will know he is a player when he doesn't need to use the media.


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User currently offlineRomeoBravo From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2013, 1401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 25361 times:

It does look as if Airbus has tried to hit too many targets with the A350. The A358 seems to be the 736 or A318 of the type, ie too heavy to make up for seating loss.

One hopes from their point of view that they did not sacrifice A359/10 optimisation to fit in the A358.

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 4):
No, Its that the A358 was completely and totally outclassed by another plane that arrives on the market before it....

Would that be the plane that is currently banned from flying?


User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 364 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 25152 times:

Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 10):
Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 4):No, Its that the A358 was completely and totally outclassed by another plane that arrives on the market before it....
Would that be the plane that is currently banned from flying?

Probably it's forthcoming big sister (-9). Looks like XT6wagon is right:

http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.de/20...3/03/a-new-chance-for-a330neo.html


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 25042 times:

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 11):
Probably it's forthcoming big sister (-9). Looks like XT6wagon is right:

The calculations made by ferpe are showing something different:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm262/ferpe_bucket/333neo332neovs3583597887897810FL370_zps8a2b1176.jpg



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User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 24900 times:

Quoting JerseyFlyer (Reply 8):
I wonder if AA/US is about to switch its 358s to 359s?

Or switch to a Boeing product, could be the excuse AAL may have been looking for to standardise long haul.


User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2837 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 24816 times:

...except that it is Cactus buying AA, not the other way round.

Seems US's relationship with Airbus is pretty robust.

Rgds



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2113 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 24816 times:

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 13):
Or switch to a Boeing product, could be the excuse AAL may have been looking for to standardise long haul.

I don't see them cancelling the A350, but I would be shocked if they didn't switch to the A350-900. With 20 788s/22 789s on order they really have no need for the A358, while the A359 can easily be used for expansion or replacement of older 777s depending on how things are going at the time of their delivery.

The question is what are some airlines like HA going to do if Airbus cancels the A350-800. The A359 would be a huge jump in capacity for them versus their A332s.

[Edited 2013-03-07 05:58:37]

User currently offlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 639 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 24576 times:

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 14):
...except that it is Cactus buying AA, not the other way round

Not true... It is a proper merger, not a buyout - and yes, there is a difference.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12779 posts, RR: 100
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 24366 times:
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This is not a surprise. Too many seats cut for a trivial drop in cost per flight. This is like the 77W vs. 77E. The larger frame that costs little more per flight will eventually dominate.

I'm excited for the A359 and A350-1000. I never saw the business case for the A358.

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 4):
The A359 completely negates the market for the A358. The costs of the A358 development is too high for the number of frames that could be justified by its minor reduction in fuel burn for those airlines not needing the extra capacity, flexiblity, and lower per seat costs.

Agreed. The lower per seat cost certainly helped kill off the A358.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 12):
The calculations made by ferpe are showing something different:

I respect Ferpe's calculations, but I just do not see that much of a weight difference between the A358 and A359. Thus the cost difference per flight will be low. Besides, fuel is 40% of the flight cost for long haul*7% means that the A358 only costs about 3% less per flight than the A359 with Ferpe's numbers. Thus, were is the market?

Quoting 76er (Reply 3):
Yesss, bring on the widebody GTF and the sharklets!

I wish... but unlikely.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2837 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 24217 times:

Quoting bueb0g (Reply 16):
Not true... It is a proper merger, not a buyout - and yes, there is a difference.

Thanks; I'm well aware of the difference.

Doesn't change the fact the guy at the top of the pyramid is going to be US not AA.



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3712 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 23903 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 17):
I'm excited for the A359 and A350-1000. I never saw the business case for the A358.

True, the problem being that the A358 was factored in from the start, and that I believe Airbus aimed too low, size wise, due to that.

Had it not been for the -800, the -1000 would have been the sweet spot of the family, allowing for an interesting -1100...



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2934 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 23146 times:

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 18):
Doesn't change the fact the guy at the top of the pyramid is going to be US not AA.

We thought that about Smisek being CEO of UA and yet UA still has its A350 order. Granted, the relationship between (old) UA and Airbus was formed only when UA decided to go with A32Xs and then later with Tilton's order for A350s. Doug Parker might have the opportunity to test Boeing products and, since US will no longer exist, might jump in bed with Boeing as well.

AA has already ordered plenty of A32X and NEOs. The real challenge will come when it is time to start replacing US's A32Xs which I expect it to do so at the beginning of the next decade. Will Parker be impressed enough with the 737s to keep ordering some?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30397 posts, RR: 84
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 22781 times:
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Quoting seahawk (Reply 1):
Maybe room for a A330NEO.

Never going to happen, IMO. Airbus is (eventually) ceding the low-end of the widebody market to Boeing's 787, but the real future growth is likely in the middle and upper ends, where they are very well-positioned with the A350-900 and A350-1000.



Quoting RomeoBravo (Reply 10):
It does look as if Airbus has tried to hit too many targets with the A350.

  

The A350 family is the replacement for the A330-200, A330-300, A340-300, A340-500 and A340-600 airframes as well as the competitor to the 787-8. 787-9. 777-200LR and 777-300ER (and likely soon the 787-10, 777-8 and 777-9).

Thats asking a lot from one family, IMO.

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 18):
Doesn't change the fact the guy at the top of the pyramid is going to be US not AA.

And he must have signed-off on the 787 order AA recently firmed, so... *shrug*



Quoting francoflier (Reply 19):
True, the problem being that the A358 was factored in from the start, and that I believe Airbus aimed too low, size wise, due to that.

The A350-800 was larger than the A330-200, so making it even larger would have just left more of the lower-end of the widebody market to the 787-8.

Quoting Polot (Reply 15):
The question is what are some airlines like HA going to do if Airbus cancels the A350-800. The A359 would be a huge jump in capacity for them versus their A332s.

If the trip costs between the A350-800 and A350-900 are close enough, then empty seats won't really hurt HA. Where HA could be hurt is if they were planning non-stop EU to Hawaii operations as those might have needed the range of the A350-800HGW.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 22165 times:

If I was Airbus and my launch was broadcasting to the media what my long range business plan was, I don’t think I’d ever want to work with them as a launch customer again. We all know how vocal Airbus’ sales chief Leahy is. I’m very surprised this is coming from Bakar. It doesn’t sound very professional of him to do that. There is a lot of proprietary information that you get to know as launch customer that shouldn’t be broadcast out to the media.


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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8158 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 22133 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 15):
The question is what are some airlines like HA going to do if Airbus cancels the A350-800. The A359 would be a huge jump in capacity for them versus their A332s.

Without knowing what HA's configuration will be it may be as much of a capacity jump as the A332's was from the 763's.
The A332's are still very new and will be around for a long time. I can see HA delaying delivery of the A359's to a later time when they will be ready to absorb that capacity increase. At the rate HA is growing in the Pacific it may not take that long.

HA reminds me a lot of TP, as far as equipment choice. TP used to operate a fleet of A310's and when they decided to replace those with A340's and A332's everyone said it was too much capacity, and somehow they managed to make it work. Then came the A358 order and again, people were saying the plane was too big. They have since switched the order to the A359. Only time will tell but I think HA will do just fine with the A359.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 21):
If the trip costs between the A350-800 and A350-900 are close enough, then empty seats won't really hurt HA. Where HA could be hurt is if they were planning non-stop EU to Hawaii operations as those might have needed the range of the A350-800HGW.

  


User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9940 posts, RR: 96
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 21860 times:
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Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 4):
No, Its that the A358 was completely and totally outclassed by another plane that arrives on the market before it....

Presumably you mean the A350-900....

however, if Airbus were to tailor it more, it would be a very effective airframe - more effective than any A330 derivative is likely to be

Quoting Stitch (Reply 21):
Thats asking a lot from one family, IMO

Does the A350 in reality cover any more ground than the 787?
The spread in cabin size from 787-8 to 787-10 is quite similar to that from A358 to A3510

As for what it competes with or replaces, that's a picture that will unfold with time.
It won't be the first time a manufacturer has had line-up "gaps" for a while..

Rgds


25 AY-MD11 : I think if the -800 is canceled then for HA the A330NEO with Trent1000 would be perfect.
26 Post contains images Stitch : Well if we assume Boeing will launch a 75m 787-11 as well as increase the MTOW for the 787-9, 787-10 and 787-11 towards 300 tons, then no. Effectivel
27 JerseyFlyer : Not if they want to fly non-stop to Europe.
28 abba : Could the 350 be stretched to an 1100 - perhaps with a highly modified or even new wing? It will be close to 80 meters long (the 1000 being 74,3) and
29 par13del : AAB is a known entity to Airbus, so my question would not be why he is talking but why Airbus is providing him with informattion over and above what
30 XT6Wagon : I don't know where anyone got the idea I was suggesting anything different. I certainly only mentioned the A359 and A358 in my post. The 787 doesn't
31 Post contains images art : If the A359 will have only a marginally higher trip cost than the A358, why bother with A358? Not much point in offering something that won't sell ju
32 FlyingAY : However, isn't the same true for 787-8 and 787-9? I believe -9 will be more popular one and the trip cost is not that much more for -9...
33 KarelXWB : We've seen this before with the 767-200 and we are seeing it again with the 777-200ER. I can see a future where the same will happen with the 787-8 o
34 Post contains images astuteman : Make your mind up.... Like I said .... The only thing "wrong" with the A350-800 is its a straight shrink of the A350-900. The decision to do that add
35 lightsaber : And straight shrinks tend to have lower resale value later in a program. I just do not see a 'strong niche' for the A358. Even if far improved. Agree
36 Post contains images hawkercamm : EIS'ing in 2022 a A330NEO with a 130" BPR16 GTF with a >20% SFC improvement over current A330 would make a very nice B787-8/9 replacement! If that
37 Post contains images Stitch : I am looking beyond just cabin floor area, however. The A350-800, A350-900 and A350-1000 all have nominal design ranges at or beyond 8,000nm at 9-abr
38 ytz : Hopefully jump to the 787. HA would be so much better off with the 787 family. -8 is great for CONUS routes. And -9 for long-haul and high demand rou
39 3rdGen : I don't understand why there's this discrepancy between AAB and Airbus' statements. If Airbus really has cancelled the 358 then I am sure that everyon
40 KarelXWB : Baker is always saying things. Last year he would buy up to 15 A330's due the 787 delays. Right. I don't expect Airbus to make any final decisions on
41 Polot : Too bad in 2022 most operators will not be interested in replacing 787s...
42 Stitch : Per statements by Airbus, QR was the earliest customer asking for A350-800 deliveries and they chose 2016. With them converting their order to the la
43 astuteman : The difficulty I have with this is that it seems to me that the A358 even in its current form will be quite competitive with the 787-8 and -9. In an
44 3rdGen : Don't know whether this is clever or sinister, or both. Is this just Airbus' way of nudging customers towards other products, knowing full well that
45 sweair : If the 748 can live with the GEnx so can the A330?!
46 zeke : If they do cancel, in my view they would already have a strategy in place. I think that strategy would partially be based upon the work they did for
47 jambrain : It would be interesting to know the 359 trip costs with the 788 payload as the delta would be significantly less then 10 % if she was loaded with 7 t
48 ikramerica : The A359 is a better 777 replacement. But considering AA is still taking 777s, it seems the 77W is a replacement for the 777 with them. US's A350 ord
49 Burkhard : What is miss in this discussion is the fact that there is one good reason for th A358 - range. The above argument is ths same as If the B77W will hav
50 XT6Wagon : I'm not entirely sure myself which way to bet on the 788. Yes the 789 is all that, but its a terrifying gap between a A321NEO and a 789. I don't thin
51 JoeCanuck : Al Baker might actually be working with Airbus on this. Nothing he announces is officially from Airbus so Airbus can deny it. At the same time, Airbus
52 Flighty : Will stretch airplanes totally dominate non-stretch airplanes in every sector? It kind of seems like that.[Edited 2013-03-07 16:45:19]
53 Asiaflyer : Logically yes, as economies of scale reduces fuel burn per seat how more you can stretch a plane within its structural limits. Accordingly stretches
54 lightsaber : My math gives a slight advantage to the 789. I discount the 788 as in my book it is analogous to the 762ER. A great starter airplane that is quickly
55 sweair : They could do the A322 a 752 sized version of the A321, higher thrust GTFs, a new optimum wing and stronger MLG. To combat the 787 on routes up to 500
56 Pohakuloa : Reading through the thread and replies herein it seems abundantly clear that most of this is unconfirmed at best. I had not been terribly attentive to
57 LH707330 : In the days of rising fuel costs, yes. The 8k nm range obsession for shorter models is somewhat overblown, and I suspect that CASM will trump range m
58 art : On the A358 offers extra range issue, how would range compare between the A358 with all seats taken and the A359 with the same number of seats taken?
59 parapente : To date all 350 performance numbers are based on computer predictions. In just a few months these will be replaced with 'real' numbers - facts. Only t
60 abba : I know. However he has an opinion until he gets a new one... For the time being he will be more than stupid to say otherwise (and stupid is one thing
61 Post contains links oldeuropean : Tom Enders: "There is no decision to stop the A350-800!" http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-of-a350s-paris-appearance-383184/
62 airbazar : I'm afraid it's too late for that. Didn't the A358 deal include the current A332's? Everyone said the A332 was too big of a jump and they seem to be
63 Stitch : On December 17, 2012 QR converted all of their A350-800 orders to the A350-900 and A350-1000. AAB stated thus was due to EIS delays, but considering
64 jdevora : IIRC Aeroturbopower used not standard seat counts (10 abreast) for concentrate in the medium range, very different assumptions Cheers JD
65 Glareskin : Yeah and that plane was soo criminally good that the aviation authorities considered it dishonest competition and grounded the plane. But as in most
66 Stitch : Please see Reply 30: [Edited 2013-03-08 14:08:31]
67 Post contains links sankaps : Not true. See the recent thread on this at America West Now The World's Largest Airline? (by sankaps Feb 25 2013 in Civil Aviation). In legal and sha
68 sweair : One option would be to hang the GEnx of the 748 on the wings, this engine will be readily available and PIPed soon, 12% more efficient than the CF6-80
69 trex8 : Aren't the 747-8 wings pretty much all new and not just tweeked a little, let alone a stretch?
70 Post contains images scbriml : Exactly. The 748 development cost Boeing a pretty penny (and is in a forward loss position) because it was a lot more than a case of just "slapping o
71 Post contains images KarelXWB : Range is a key element for the A358 but how many airlines really need an airplane with a range of 8500 nm? Keep in mind that these words came from AA
72 Stitch : The 747-8 wing shares much with the 747-400 wing as Boeing did not want to have to make changes to the center section, landing gear location and wing
73 LHCVG : Would it be possible for Airbus to kill off the -800 as a formal offering (presumably offering the -900s at the same price, plus maybe some more conc
74 Stitch : For customers who need payload-over-range, they could just wait for the A350-900HGW.
75 art : Customers have been throwing the orders away (by switching to A359). What does Airbus do if customers want to switch more A358 orders to A359? Do the
76 Post contains links and images lightsaber : I don't see Airbus losing many (if any) if they go with the A359. The question is, how many wouldn't accept an A359 instead? Its a question of how ma
77 seahawk : I like that line of thought. The 757 series is coming up for replacement, so may a version of the A321 could meet the requirements. But i fear you mi
78 travelavnut : Sorry for going OT, but what is/was wrong with the ARJ-21? Thanks!
79 packsonflight : The strategy could be to skip the 350-800 and attack the gap from 321 to 330-300 with a two model family based on the A350 design, kind of a A350 lit
80 EPA001 : So far they have denied that they are planning to drop the A350-800. But all can change under different circumstances. Personally I do not think they
81 Post contains links and images lightsaber : Let's start with they entered flight test and found they had to re-design the wing due to failing the *static* test. When the A380 missed static test
82 art : People use the argument against the A380-900 that if it is not launched nearly all potential customers will buy the A380-800 instead. Is there a para
83 Asiaflyer : Very likely yes, as Airbus would do all they can to keep these customers happy. Legally Airbus are obliged to deliver those A350-800 per signed contr
84 Post contains images travelavnut : Thanks Lightsaber, already found some info through Wikipedia but your expert view is always enlightening and appreciated
85 Post contains images airbazar : Just look at what the A333 has become. No reason to believe the A359's range won't increase. And yet, they have actively convinced airlines to switch
86 LHCVG : I've thought along those lines as well. I think it may be a decent market niche for them to hit. My take is that such a plane would be an A35J-type s
87 Stitch : A plane with the size and performance of the 757-200 is only of interest to UA, DL, and AA because they can use it to service secondary airports on TA
88 scbriml : Can you provide any evidence to support the theory that Airbus is pushing its customers to do this?
89 ETinCaribe : While we are at it, I will speculate as well. Perhaps Airbus does not mind AAB making this info public. He loves the attention, they stroke his ego,
90 Post contains images KarelXWB : I'm aware of the existence of that kind of software. But there must be a reason why Airbus is waiting to freeze the A358 and A3510 design until they
91 r2rho : I don't believe the A358 is dead (yet). But it is certainly locked away in the basement while Airbus decides what to do with it. From what we see, Air
92 lightsaber : The A350-1000 is pushing the wing loading. That is an aspect the software doesn't predict as well (drag at extreme conditions). In particular, the so
93 Post contains images EPA001 : If we will ever see an A350-1100, we will see more wing modifications then we are now seeing being proposed for the A350-1000. .
94 Post contains images Stitch : Or Airbus will not modify the wings and engines and just accept lower performance, which would not be a penalty for A-market and most B-market missio
95 LHCVG : That would be a nice (not so)little plane!
96 XT6Wagon : I am too, but the A359 and A351 have the legs to stand on their own, and so it shouldn't prevent a buy. The 788 and 789 look to have a comparible if
97 r2rho : Agree. Already Airbus are talking about production in batches. I can imagine that improvements built into the -1000 from the start would make their w
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