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Latam (LAN & TAM) Chooses Oneworld  
User currently offlinetim171080 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14756 times:

just out:

Source: Oneworld Newsletter

LATAM Airlines Group chooses oneworld as its global alliance
07 March 2013
• Brazil's TAM to leave Star for oneworld in early 2014
• LAN Colombia to join oneworld too, building on LAN group's 13-year membership of alliance
• Business as usual for customers meantime, with seamless transition promised
• Latin America's top airline group strengthens oneworld's status as global first choice alliance
LATAM Airlines Group today confirmed its selection of oneworld® as the global alliance for all its passenger airlines.
The decision, announced at a meeting of the oneworld Governing Board held in Hong Kong today, means:
• Brazil's TAM Airlines will leave the Star Alliance to join oneworld, along with its Paraguay subsidiary. Their transition is expected to be completed during 2014's second quarter.
• LAN Colombia, the latest part of LAN, will join oneworld as an affiliate member, in the fourth quarter of 2013.
With Chile's LAN Airlines flying as a full member of oneworld since June 2000 and LAN Argentina, LAN Ecuador and LAN Peru added since as affiliate members, today's announcement will bring all of Latin America's top airline group into the same global airline alliance, alongside 11 of the other leading carriers from around the world and 30 of their affiliates.
An exact date for TAM's departure from the Star Alliance will be announced in due course. The intention is for it to become part of oneworld immediately after it exits Star.

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User currently offlinethegivenone From Austria, joined Jan 2008, 192 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14652 times:

It's official!

This is a sad day for us Star Alliancers. I really enjoyed flying on TAM, let's hope that Avianca Brazil can step up to the game.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4635 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14620 times:

Quoting tim171080 (Thread starter):
LATAM Airlines Group chooses oneworld as its global alliance

I just got the e-mail - a great win for oneworld, but not at all unexpected.

oneworld is looking good - Sri Lankan and Qatar joining, Malaysia just having joined, and US Airways too once the merger with AA is completed.

Good times indeed!



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14566 times:

Quoting thegivenone (Reply 1):
let's hope that Avianca Brazil can step up to the game.

I hope so too....



I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11559 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14494 times:

Totally expected and not at all surprising.

Great news for oneworld, and solidifies the alliance's dominance of South America.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8341 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14432 times:
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Was this ever in doubt ? LAN stayed in OW how could TAM not become part of OneWorld.

User currently offlinerealsim From Spain, joined Apr 2010, 645 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14374 times:

Great news for Oneworld, although not unexpected as LAN moved to T8 at JFK after the merger was announced, and a few weeks ago it was announced that TAM would also move there. Now we should expect LAN and TAM to move to Concourse E at MIA, and TAM to move to T4 at MAD.

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 2):
oneworld is looking good - Sri Lankan and Qatar joining, Malaysia just having joined, and US Airways too once the merger with AA is completed

Indeed, Oneworld has managed to steal a few airlines from Star Alliance:

- BMI: bought by IAG
- TAM: merged with TAM
- US Airways: merged with AA
- Qatar Airways: everybody was quite sure that QR would join Star Alliance and not Oneworld.
- Spanair: their failure had nothing to do with oneworld, but Iberia and Vueling have bith benefit with it.

On the other hand, though, Oneworld has, unfortunately, lost Mexicana and Malev, and I think they will lose Air Berlin to Skyteam in the future.

If Oneworld could add only three more airlines to their alliance, I think they could have everything they needed: one in China, one in India and one in Africa.


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14370 times:

Great news, with this addition AA/OW wil be a true powerhouse in Latin America

User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 14146 times:

I was just looking into this yesterday and couldn't find anything, I thought the announcement was supposed to be last August... But glad to see they chose OneWorld!


"...stay hungry, stay foolish" -Steve Jobs
User currently offlineAAIL86 From Finland, joined Feb 2011, 409 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 14022 times:

Quoting realsim (Reply 6):
Indeed, Oneworld has managed to steal a few airlines from Star Alliance:

- BMI: bought by IAG
- TAM: merged with TAM
- US Airways: merged with AA
- Qatar Airways: everybody was quite sure that QR would join Star Alliance and not Oneworld.
- Spanair: their failure had nothing to do with oneworld, but Iberia and Vueling have bith benefit with it.

Lets not forget JAL - their retention could be considered a "steal" as well. It was only 24 short months ago or so that we heard lots of noise that JAL to Skyteam was a done deal and perhaps the end of oneworld was at hand ...



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6122 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13859 times:

Quoting thegivenone (Reply 1):
This is a sad day for us Star Alliancers. I really enjoyed flying on TAM, let's hope that Avianca Brazil can step up to the game.

I flew AV the other day and I was not impressed.



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User currently offlineDescl From Chile, joined Apr 2011, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13568 times:

So what is LH going to do with passengers that are now flying with them to Chile through Brasil?
Will they start FRA-SCL?
We need more options to Europe. Im looking for a flight to Milan in July and I cannot find for less than $2200.


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2183 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13060 times:

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Even though it's not all that breaking news, this is a HUGE relief to hear. OneWorld deserves this big time and I am so happy to know that everything is cemented.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7577 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12986 times:

Todays news was brought to you by the letters D, U, and H.  

Seriously though, I think most of us saw this coming. OneWorld is truly the alliance of South America.



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User currently offlinepascal7z From Germany, joined Oct 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12820 times:

Quoting Descl (Reply 11):
Will they start FRA-SCL?

I would rather bet on a connection via BOG (FRA BOG with LH, BOG SCL with AV)



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9780 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12641 times:

Quoting pascal7z (Reply 14):
Quoting Descl (Reply 11):
Will they start FRA-SCL?

I would rather bet on a connection via BOG (FRA BOG with LH, BOG SCL with AV)

Indeed they can. The passengers can be routed via BOG (FRA-BOG-SCL) and back. Passengers coming on LH542 to BOG can connect to the following major cities in South America (besides the extensive local flights):

EZE, SCL, GRU, GIG, LIM, MEX, UIO, GYE.

A388


User currently offlineual777uk From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12471 times:

No suprises here but well done OW. I hope that Star have a serious back up plan of sorts as this does leave a big hole.

As stated above, it will be interesting to see how LH reacts and for that matter UA.......will they add flights??


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9780 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12236 times:

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 16):
No suprises here but well done OW. I hope that Star have a serious back up plan of sorts as this does leave a big hole.

They have a serious back up plan in AV from BOG and most likely AV Brazil in the (near) future.

A388


User currently offlinethegivenone From Austria, joined Jan 2008, 192 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12095 times:

Quoting pascal7z (Reply 14):
I would rather bet on a connection via BOG (FRA BOG with LH, BOG SCL with AV)

Yup, as already confirmed by A388: LH will already sell you a ticket from FRA-BOG-SCL codesharing with AV on the last leg. From a brief look at the timetable, this route is about 3 hours longer than the current connection via GRU, however, it still gets you to SCL in the early AM (while leaving FRA in the late afternoon), which still makes it competitive.

Still a sad day though  


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4907 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11769 times:

Quoting realsim (Reply 6):
If Oneworld could add only three more airlines to their alliance, I think they could have everything they needed: one in China, one in India and one in Africa.

There really ain't any carrier left standing to fill mainland China... I know MU was at one stage being considered BUT Sky stole MU, CA to Star & CZ to Sky...

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 9):
Lets not forget JAL - their retention could be considered a "steal" as well. It was only 24 short months ago or so that we heard lots of noise that JAL to Skyteam was a done deal and perhaps the end of oneworld was at hand ...

1st I hear of it... Pigs will fly before it happens too...

Big congratulations to Oneworld Alliance!

EK413

[Edited 2013-03-07 10:45:11]


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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13018 posts, RR: 100
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11127 times:
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Congrats to OneWorld. LAN/TAM was a key asset to retain.

This gives OW a good presence in:
Brazil
Chile
Colombia
Ecuador
Paraguay
Peru

Plus a trivial presence in Argentina.

How are LAN/TAM's connection to Venezuela and Panama? I assume well enough to basically have the continent covered.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 19):
BUT Sky stole MU, CA to Star & CZ

That was quite the accomplishment for SkyTeam. But OW is not out. They do need India post IT... But who?

Right now, what with *A and Skyteam do in Latin America? While no surprise, this tilts the airline balance in the region clearly towards OneWorld.

Quoting Descl (Reply 11):

So what is LH going to do with passengers that are now flying with them to Chile through Brasil?
Will they start FRA-SCL?

I expect LAN to fly that route once the 787s are up in the air again.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2183 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10942 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
How are LAN/TAM's connection to Venezuela and Panama? I assume well enough to basically have the continent covered.

Actually, these are weak spots in the LATAM network. Neither LAN nor TAM fly into Tocumen. Venezuela is tiny, which is to be expected simply given the nature of the fact that it is Venezuela. Overall, here's what I am seeing:

Venezuela

Lower South America
Aerolineas: 59.3%
Conviasa: 31.1%
LAN: 9.6%

North America
American: 56.4%
SBA: 18.4%
Delta: 8.1%
AVIOR: 4.4%
UniteD: 7.2%
Air Canada: 3.0%
LAN: 2.7%



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User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1245 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10876 times:

I just saw this on AA's website (oddly nothing on star alliance or oneworld sites, or TAM's for that matter). I thought I had missed something. Glad to know I wasn't behind the curve, like usual.  


Sic 'em bears
User currently offlinesteve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10595 times:

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 22):
I just saw this on AA's website (oddly nothing on star alliance or oneworld sites, or TAM's for that matter). I thought I had missed something. Glad to know I wasn't behind the curve, like usual.

It is on TAM's website, I received an email about it this morning Brazil time with a link to the site. Was in Portuguese, didn't look for the English version.

http://tam.com.br/b2c/vgn/v/index.js...94bf44d310VgnVCM1000009508020aRCRD

[Edited 2013-03-07 13:28:51]


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User currently offlineTYCOON From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 393 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10509 times:

Not a surprise really, but I wonder what this will mean for terminals at certain airports... Will TAM leave T1 for T3 at LHR? Will they leave Star dominated CDG1 for OneWorld CDG2A? Interesting, maybe TAM (T1) can switch terminals with Air Canada (T2A) at CDG (although their respective flights are at different times of the day).

25 LHRFlyer : Fantastic news for Oneworld. I would not be surprised to see domestic codesharing with TAM to start in the interim.
26 Post contains links AAIL86 : Here you go! JAL Says NO To SkyTeam/Delta - Part 2 (by LipeGIG Feb 9 2010 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=4706863&searchid=4712264&s=JAL+skyteam#
27 RAGAZZO777 : Actually, it seems like LAN is dropping Frankfurt from next month.
28 IrishAyes : It's due to the 787 grounding, although I'm not sure why they wouldn't just deploy the A343 back on this route like before...
29 jumpjets : I think the announcement that the FRA tag was to be dropped came when the announcement that the 787 was to be deployed to MAD, so it doesn't seem to
30 JAL : Great news for OneWorld though hardly surprising.
31 Post contains images RAGAZZO777 : That's the thing. To me it's pretty clear: LAN will drop FRA and will instead funnel that traffic via GRU and GIG on JJ metal.
32 Ferroviarius : Good evening, would LH possibly let LH510/511, which now goes to EZE, only, and there has a long sleep from 6:50 to 16:55, go FRA-EZE-SCL-EZE-FRA? Bes
33 justinlee : They really need more presence in mainland China. HU really want to join Oneworld with the expansion of its international routes. They are codesharin
34 Post contains images lightsaber : Thanks for the heads up. Very interesting. With 'room for improvement' that leaves plenty of a.net threads on South American aviation in the future.
35 Post contains images EK413 : How about that, appears I was on the moon while this news hit the headlines Interesting news... What's even more interesting is the fact QF has jumpe
36 SCL767 : LATAM has a size-able presence in the Argentine international market and controls well over 20% of the Argentine domestic market. LATAM's internation
37 OB1504 : Is there space for them at Concourse E? It's already pretty tight with overflow from AA at D, plus AB, BA, IB, 4O, and the Cuba charters. Not to ment
38 justinlee : HU launched a plan called "Tighten relationship arrangement with Oneworld members" since 2011. But due to the competition between HX and KA, CX is no
39 offloaded : Whilst it is a good day for OW, don't forget that codeshare agreements are common between airlines in rival alliances eg. Qantas/Air France and Cathay
40 realsim : LAN and TAM only fly to MAD from SCL, LIM, GYE and GRU. IB also flies to EZE, MVD, GIG, CCS, BOG, PTY, SJO, GUA, SAL, HAV, SDQ, SJU and MEX in Latin
41 jumpjets : for some entertainment on that subject read the 'BA/Iberia marriage made in hell' thread.
42 cpqi : Bit late in the day for my comments on this so forgive me. I am a regular flyer on TAM living in Brazil and was a little sad to see this for the simpl
43 mvecchi4 : Hello IrishAyes, Not sure what you mean right there when PTY's traffic is around 6million and CCS's is around 10million. Don't mean to be rude but IM
44 mah4546 : LAN/TAM have already filed construction permits to build a lounge. I believe they will be taking over/extensively rennovating the old Admiral's Club/
45 SCL767 : Effective 07APR13, TAM will increase capacity on the GRU-CCS route by deploying the A332 on the route daily. LAN Airlines operates SCL-GYE-CCS-MIA we
46 ETinCaribe : I fell off my chair on hearing this news.. I think someone at LATAM knows you (and the region in general) have limited options and they are smiling al
47 SCL767 : The region in general now has more international flights to Europe and North America compared to a few years ago; especially from Brazil. It is very
48 aerorobnz : because they retired a 343, and SCL-AKL-SYD physically requires the 340 to operate.... No great loss, I think that AV/TA is going to be just as big a
49 SCL767 : LATAM's affiliates are also growing in different markets. LAN Colombia continues to increase its domestic market-share in Colombia and will soon incr
50 IrishAyes : Hola Miguel, I'm sorry for the confusion, I meant to say that VZ and PTY are weak spot's in LATAM's network, not weak spots for air service in genera
51 mvecchi4 : Hi, Gotcha. And I agree on that!. You got me there. If you have the data it's like my old Six Sigma instructor used to say "In god I trust, all others
52 Descl : But where are the others? LH, BA, KL? As a chilean consumer I can tell that the only routes where you find lower prices are the ones to Brazil, nothi
53 SCL767 : KL would only decrease yields on AF's CDG-SCL service; I guess that's why they won't launch AMS-SCL. Also, what a/c can LH deploy on a hypothetical F
54 LH506 : I guess this is the result of limited competition after JJ and LAN merged.
55 IrishAyes : No problem! I'm skeptical about this assertion. People assumed similar things would happen when AF launched CDGLIM in addition to KL's existing AMSLI
56 aerorobnz : The whole continent is booming , it's a good time to be LATAM & AV. AV/TA can provide almost the same coverage currently as LA, and the service o
57 reffado : Regionally speaking, O6 does offer better service than JJ (inside Brazil). But they still have a lot of work to do if they want to compete with LATAM
58 cpqi : I'm sorry but I strongly disagree. From route choice to check in to baggage efficiency to the smile and service quality in my experience JJ beats Avi
59 SCL767 : And when AF resumed CDG-LIM, AF quickly reduced frequency on the CDG-LIM route to 3x weekly and will only operate the route 5x weekly on a seasonal b
60 reffado : Just goes to show that the experience may vary! I flew O6 only about 4 legs, but the flights were really comfy. The a/c were in better shape than JJ'
61 SKY1 : Is IB the one who should get rid of BA
62 Post contains images teme82 : Or IB to go belly up and start again
63 ETinCaribe : Yes, but that will take time. in the meantime, LATAM will do great.
64 leonardoq : Does anyone know about possibilities of a AKL-GRU non-stop with JJ metal? Or even a GRU-SYD with a stop for refueling in AKL? I would love to see JJ p
65 prchan : GRU-AKL on JJ metal will take a long time (if ever) to start. JJ has chosen to expand their international routes on destinations already served. With
66 SCL767 : TAM won't be flying to either AKL and/or SYD for the reason you mentioned. SCL is South America's gateway to both AKL and SYD for LATAM. Passengers a
67 SKY1 : What happened with the TAM's 340-541?
68 reffado : They were leased from AC while the first 77W's didn't arrive. They've been parked for a couple of years now, IIRC.
69 SKY1 : With some A345 stored, it should be much cheaper for any carrier re-used once again. It burns more fuel, right ...but with a much lower price for rent
70 Gonzalo : And the traffic growth in Chile is a two digits figure for some years already. The difference in total population between LIM ( 8.4 M ) and SCL ( 7.3
71 SCL767 : LATAM is not interested in operating anymore routes with the A-340s and has already begun to phase them out of the fleet. By the end of this year, LA
72 leonardoq : An interesting flight would be SCL-POA non-stop. It is intriguing why neither JJ or LA have no direct flights on this route... G3 used to do it, but c
73 SCL767 : If LA/JJ were to operate SCL-POA in the near-term, it would only operate on a seasonal basis; just like the SCL-FLN route. LAN operates SCL-FLN 4x we
74 PDPsol : POA is definitely not just a seasonal destination, but a thriving business center as well, with a population of over 1.5 million. The city is one of B
75 Post contains links RAGAZZO777 : First of all, I must say that your English leaves a lot to be desired. Seriously, it took me a while to figure out your post. In the second place, wh
76 SCL767 : LAN Perú's CEO is referring primarily to the Peruvian domestic market in the article that you posted. In the article, LAN Perú's CEO clearly states
77 Post contains images RAGAZZO777 : I'm sorry, but what does the Chilean domestic market exactly have to do with the Peruvian one ?
78 airlineaddict : Will the US government have any concerns with AA and TAM controlling a major portion of the US to Brazil market?
79 SCL767 : I'm simply responding to the article that you posted which specifically referred to LAN Perú's planned increase in services in the Peruvian domestic
80 Post contains images Gonzalo : Really ?? Oh thank you very much for the advice !! I will run to my Dictionary and my Google translator to learn more, and I will try to make the thi
81 SCL767 : Also, CPO, ZAL and ZCO will be expanded. Chile would also like to expand IPC to include a taxi-way. LAN has decided to slash the LIM-IPC route and wi
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