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Will CX Start HKG-LHR-JFK+HKG-SYD-LAX Soon?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9106 posts, RR: 15
Posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6811 times:

They have the rights for HKG-LHR-JFK and they were desperate in applying for this route. Will they start service anytime soon? Also they mentioned about HKG-SYD-LAX. Will they apply for it? What's up with SQ? Do they still want to fly this route?

CX is a top airline and I am sure they can attract lots of customers.

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6747 times:

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
HKG-LHR-JFK

The premium cabins on LHR-JFK are highly contract-driven with big business. There's probably little left over of the walk-up crowd to fight over. In addition, HKG-JFK via LHR is a very inefficient routing vs. HKG-JFK nonstop, and CX isn't known for frivolous routings.

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
HKG-SYD-LAX

Just like SIN-SYD-LAX, this isn't a natural routing between the origin and destination in the realm of 5th Freedom rights. There's really no reason for it to exist in either CX or SQ's network, except to siphon off traffic from the established carriers representing the countries on either end of SYD-LAX.



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5552 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6731 times:

Neither CX or SQ have rights SYD/MEL-LAX. In the current climate I doubt they would want them either, Trans Pacific is still a blood bath with 4 competitors.
As an example I found a fare in Sept for $A1529 SYD-SFO-LHR return on UA. That's less than I paid for SYD-SFO return last Sept!!!

Somehow I don't think the yields are there to attract the likes of CX or SQ.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6533 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6092 times:

I have not heard any rumours about this recently and with new 77Ws needed to replace existing 744 longhaul flights, there will not be any new longhaul routes launched anytime soon with the exception of perhaps EWR.

User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2886 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6042 times:

I highly doubt it. Why would they go chasing heavily congested markets around the world when they can just expand at their already highly profitable home base?

From memory, most of these ideas were around before the Atlantic became JV central, and before the Australia-US Open Skies was signed -- perhaps it made more sense then.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9106 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5729 times:

Perhaps the B 747-400s might stay longer if the economy is not that bad. And there might be some spare aircraft for these routes?

CX doesn't operate any transatlantic flight and perhaps LHR-JFK is a good addition to their network?

What about Central/South America? They said they would venture the south earlier. SQ flies to Sau Paulo so why not CX?


User currently offlineBreninTW From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1569 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5694 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 5):
CX doesn't operate any transatlantic flight and perhaps LHR-JFK is a good addition to their network?

Why would CX enter this bloodbath with its own aircraft when it can transfer pax to Oneworld partners BA and AA? Especially with BA going A380 LHR - JFK it doesn't make sense for CX to enter the market.

Entering the market will only serve to depress yields even more than they are currently and I doubt CX would be able to get too many of the lucrative corporate contracts that are the bread-and-butter of the route.



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User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4281 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5612 times:

Quoting United Airline (Thread starter):
CX is a top airline and I am sure they can attract lots of customers.

CX would be a junk fare player on SYD-LAX and LHR-JFK, competing against rivals who are good enough on product, and handily beat CX on frequencies and connectivity.



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User currently offlinedavidho1985 From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2012, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5448 times:
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If CX has slots for LHRJFK, I am sure they would rather utilize the slots to operate an additional HKGLHR;

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6335 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 6):
Why would CX enter this bloodbath with its own aircraft when it can transfer pax to Oneworld partners BA and AA? Especially with BA going A380 LHR - JFK it doesn't make sense for CX to enter the market.

Not just that but AA's J hard product in the 77W is nearly identical to CX's long haul J product; on a route which AA has twice daily 77Ws at the moment. AA's Y is also nearly identical to CX's Y too.. Albeit the service may not be as good as on CX and anyone not a OW elite would have to pay more to get the 9-abreast Main Cabin Extra.

For CX to have one daily flight doesn't make sense when everyone else has 4 or 5. Even SQ didn't join the bloodbath for NYC with their trans-Atlantic flight ex-FRA.



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9106 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5140 times:

Why did they apply for LHR-JFK at the first place?

User currently offlinejumpjets From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2012, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4678 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 10):
Why did they apply for LHR-JFK at the first place?

Wasn't it a condition of allowing UK airlines to fly HKG-AUS that CX could fly LHR-JFK? So CX may not necessarily have wanted those rights but may as well take the option if its handed to you on a plate.


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4607 times:

Hong Kong LHR/JFK, I could see them getting that but HKG SYD LAX no way! That route is very protected by the Fedral Government for QF the SYD/LAX service is QF's bread and butter SQ has tried for years with out suscess so I dont see CX being sucessful either applying for this route even though they and QF are in OW.

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