santos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 705 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12424 times:
Another long haul route for Norwegian Airlines, along with New York and Bangkok.
Safe to say that this rout will be started with the A343-300 from HiFly?
"Norwegian launches Fort Lauderdale, Florida, as a new destination from Copenhagen and Stockholm.
Copenhagen - Fort Lauderdale twice a week
Norwegian will fly twice a week between Copenhagen (CPH) and Fort Lauderdale (FLL), on Mondays and Fridays. Departure from Copenhagen is at 14:45, arriving in FLL at 19:30 local time. Departure from FLL is at 21:30, arriving CPH at 12:45 the next day. The first flight is November 29.
Stockholm - Fort Lauderdale twice a week
Norwegian will fly twice a week between Stockholm (ARN) and Fort Lauderdale (FLL), on Thursdays and Sundays. Departure from ARN is at 14:45, arriving FLL at 19:30 local time. Departure from FLL is at 21:30, arriving ARN at 13:00 the next day. The first flight is December 1."
mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31119 posts, RR: 73 Reply 5, posted (2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10996 times:
Great for Fort Lauderdale. Interesting choice of FLL over MIA (which was originally planned). Wonder what spurred it? But I'm sure the European carriers at MIA are happy about that.
luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 9, posted (2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 10169 times:
Quoting robbie86 (Reply 6): Since the most important thing for DY is to keep their costs down I assume that FLL gave them a better deal than MIA.
Quoting by738 (Reply 8): and no horrific MIA immigration !
Well said and most likely you hit the nail on the head. Also I would imagine a good portion might be headed to Disney / Universal and FLL is a tad closer then MIA!
727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5722 posts, RR: 20 Reply 11, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9856 times:
PI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 599 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9708 times:
I think this service will be very successful. Two sets of friends who live in OSL already plan to use this new service to seek out the warm weather and shopping in FL. These folks previously lived in FL and visit about every 2 years and had planned on using the NYC service to get to the US, so they are excited this new service puts them squarely where they want to be.
Warm weather and a favorable exchange rate doesn't hurt marketing efforts either, and I hope DY gets a fair share of US originating traffic as well to visit Scandinavia. Norway is without a doubt one of the most beautiful places on this earth, and I encourage anyone to seriously consider visiting this awesome country, easily connected with DY service to ARN and CPH.
luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 13, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9682 times:
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 10): Scandanavians aren't theme park fans. A good portion probably aren't heading to Orlando at all.
And yet they have one of the oldest parks int he World in CPH!
So I would think that they would check out Disney and Universal. It is a pretty sweeping generalization to say Scandinavians aren't theme park fans.
mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31119 posts, RR: 73 Reply 14, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9553 times:
Quoting luv2fly (Reply 13): So I would think that they would check out Disney and Universal. It is a pretty sweeping generalization to say Scandinavians aren't theme park fans.
It's a pretty sweeping generalzation to say that American's aren't fans of Brazilian beach resorts, but both statements are still true. Orlando is not popular with Scandanavians. Just like it's not popular with Italians, French or Spainards.
luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 16, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9386 times:
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29% of all 2011 visitors from Sweden went to theme parks, 26% wnet to water parks. I think the numbers are higher then you want to admit.
Norcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1280 posts, RR: 12 Reply 19, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9231 times:
Quoting luv2fly (Reply 9): Well said and most likely you hit the nail on the head. Also I would imagine a good portion might be headed to Disney / Universal and FLL is a tad closer then MIA!
Not to forget the cruises out of FLL on the weekends and the Mon and Fri flights makes a lot of sense at least in that regard since the big ones leave Sat & Sun and are back the following Sat & Sun.
luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 20, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9198 times:
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 17): I think those arbitrary numbers make pretty clear and affirm what I said: Scandanavians are not big fans of theme parks
Yes and no you said that they are not fans of theme parks in general, of that was true the numbers would be even lower. Some people are going the numbers show that.
KiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 5305 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9074 times:
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 10):
Scandanavians aren't theme park fans. A good portion probably aren't heading to Orlando at all.
Liseberg, LegoLand, Tivoli, Hunderfossen, Kristiansand Zoo and Amusement Park, Bakken, Grona Lunds Tivoli plus a number of others all say differently; apart from LegoLand most of these parks are supported primarily by the local populations. This very morning I received a mass email from HRG with package deals for EuroDisney from Oslo.
njdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 713 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8609 times:
This eventually will be a 787 route right? The A340 is just temporary?
flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6298 posts, RR: 6 Reply 23, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8127 times:
Great news for FLL and the Miami area. I'm sure FLL gave them a better deal makes sense for the low cost carrier to go to FLL even though a few Low Cost Euro carries are choosing MIA these days.
speedbird2263 From Jamaica, joined Jul 2006, 454 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7172 times:
Quoting flymia (Reply 23): FLL immigration is pretty bad. Terminal 4 the only international terminal and is an absolute joke of a building.
I agree however, they are currently in the process of renovating and expanding Terminal 4 so that's a plus! It's currently a zoo in there throughout the day and evenings with woefully inadequate seating for NK's customers.
B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16575 posts, RR: 11 Reply 25, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7139 times:
Now DY has both NYC and Florida covered, Next must be California, with service to LAX.
Agreed 100% and based on how busy it is at night I wonder if Norwegian will get towed over to terminal 2 for the sake of everyone leaving out of terminal 4. The NK flights and a loaded widebody not a good mix. There is almost nothing in amenities and concessions in terminal 4 too. Well most terminals in FLL are small but just not as crowded.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
crownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1595 posts, RR: 6 Reply 27, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6193 times:
Does anyone remember Transwede use to fly this route with MD80's back in the 80's? The flight stopped, but cannot remember if it was Gander or Bangor. Who remembers the details of this flight?
harmonium From Denmark, joined Feb 2012, 81 posts, RR: 0 Reply 28, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5949 times:
Quoting njdevilsin03 (Reply 22): This eventually will be a 787 route right? The A340 is just temporary?
Correct. The A340s are leased as a backup for the 787. I believe that due to the fact that these flights are not to start in another half a year, it may be realistic to see it actually starting with the 787 - obviously depending on how quickly Boeing manages to get it back in the air.
Navigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1032 posts, RR: 16 Reply 30, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5306 times:
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 10): Scandanavians aren't theme park fans. A good portion probably aren't heading to Orlando at all.
Interesting assumption. Never heard this before. I assumed scandinavians are frequent travellers to Orlando. Both Sea world and Disney attract many swedish visitors. I have been there myself. I would like to see any survey showing the truth in what you say.
Apart from Orlando, scandinavians go to Miami Beach, Key West etc...
SAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 693 posts, RR: 0 Reply 31, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5144 times:
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 17): Scandanavians are not big fans of theme parks.
Would it be wrong to say that a cruise ship is some kind of theme/water park? because if it was,the number of Scandinavians who vissited them, would be a LOT higher .
Quoting luv2fly (Reply 16): 29% of all 2011 visitors from Sweden went to theme parks, 26% wnet to water parks. I think the numbers are higher then you want to admit.
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 17): I think those arbitrary numbers make pretty clear and affirm what I said: Scandanavians are not big fans of theme parks.
This could easily means that 1of 2 makes a visit to some kind of a park...
Navigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1032 posts, RR: 16 Reply 33, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4685 times:
Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 32): Quoting luv2fly (Reply 13):
And yet they have one of the oldest parks int he World in CPH!
THE oldest theme park AFAIK
We have theme parks in both Stockholm and Gothenburg and in Denmark you also have LEGOLAND. And I suppose Olando is visited by many scandinavians every year. Even Disneyland in LAX get a lot of visitors from scandinavia... So perhaps the statement that scandinavians are not theme park fans needs to be verified...
HELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 644 posts, RR: 1 Reply 37, posted (2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3392 times:
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 18):
Wasn't Norwegian flirting with joining Oneworld at one point?
Not sure about oneworld but Norwegian and Finnair tried to build partnership a couple of years back, nothing happened. For some reason Finnair still owns a small slice of DY.
SCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 461 posts, RR: 0 Reply 38, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2887 times:
How often international tourists going to Disneyworld drive from MIA/FLL? I imagine tourists combining Orlando with Miami/Keys, but for those heading to Orlando alone (which I assume is a good number of them, since MIA is not a child/family-destination), driving from/to MIA after a long-haul flight is quite of a pain.
That's the reason for MIA-MCO... a Disneyworld shuttle.
mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31119 posts, RR: 73 Reply 39, posted (2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2895 times:
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 38): (which I assume is a good number of them, since MIA is not a child/family-destination),
While Americans don't see it as a family resort, foreigners absolutely do see it as a family resort, and come to Miami in far larger numbers than they visit Orlando.
But there is absolutely a lot of Orlando-bound traffic that uses MIA, just as there is just as much Miami-bound traffic that uses MCO.
Stockholm – Ft. Lauderdale
DY7035 ARN1445 – 1930FLL 788 47
DY7036 FLL2130 – 1300+1ARN 788 26
So on Day 1 flight leaves CPH and arrives Day 1 at FLL. Leaves Day 2 some 26 hours later for ARN. Then the plane sits a day in ARN (unless it's being used to another destination). Same thing between Day 5 and 6. Quite a long turn-around
Unless there is a plan of 2 weekly round-trips to OSL during those 26 hours, it seems as a bit of inefficient use of equipment.
Next flights: CPH-FRA-CPH: CPH-BKK-MNL-BKK-CPH; CPH-BRU-CPH
SCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 461 posts, RR: 0 Reply 42, posted (2 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1382 times:
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 39): While Americans don't see it as a family resort, foreigners absolutely do see it as a family resort, and come to Miami in far larger numbers than they visit Orlando.
But there is absolutely a lot of Orlando-bound traffic that uses MIA, just as there is just as much Miami-bound traffic that uses MCO.
I know that many Europeans combine both Disneyworld and Miami in the same trip (since it is such a long flight which usually means a 1-week vacation at least... probably too long for either place). And while there is an overlap, the Italian going to party in SoBe and the Irish family going to Disneyworld are two different markets.
Also, central Florida is a relatively popular 2nd-home destination for Scandinavians, Irish and British, while Miami is more common for French, Spaniards and Germans.
IMO Norwegian is just simply targeting the South Florida (MIA) traffic. I am sure MCO (or Sanford, where Icelandair flies) would be more than happy to get another European carrier (MCO is not Miami with plenty of Latin American and European carriers and destinations), so it would be very easy for them to fly to Orlando if they wish. I think Miami also fits more with their brand and with their other two intercontinental destinations (NYC, Bangkok)... Norwegian is looking for destinations that are extremely popular with Scandinavians, that are trendy (Miami is certainly on the rise) so you target a very specific market, and where you can easily build your trip on your own (VS Orlando that is probably more on the family buying a package with everything included).
Bongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3019 posts, RR: 2 Reply 44, posted (2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1060 times:
Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 38): How often international tourists going to Disneyworld drive from MIA/FLL? I imagine tourists combining Orlando with Miami/Keys, but for those heading to Orlando alone (which I assume is a good number of them, since MIA is not a child/family-destination), driving from/to MIA after a long-haul flight is quite of a pain.
Uk tourists tend only to use MIA if they are touring Florida, Orlando bound tourists mainly use MCO, SAN or TPA.
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 39): Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 38):
(which I assume is a good number of them, since MIA is not a child/family-destination),
While Americans don't see it as a family resort, foreigners absolutely do see it as a family resort, and come to Miami in far larger numbers than they visit Orlando.
Here in the UK MIami is promoted as an adult destination. I think its big appeal is to latin Americans.
Quoting luv2fly (Reply 16): 29% of all 2011 visitors from Sweden went to theme parks, 26% wnet to water parks. I think the numbers are higher then you want to admit.
29% is a fair proportion, however to place it into context I would imagine that the % for UK tourists to the US is far higher. For Florida visitors I wouldn't be suprised if its over 90%
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