gators312 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 41 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 14385 times:
Anyone have any info on what airlines / equipment will be used to get passengers back to Port Canaveral?
I assume to MCO and FLL on scheduled and charter flights?
"Carnival Cruise Lines is working to fly all passengers on one of its cruises back to Florida after the ship suffered a generator failure while docked at Philipsburg, St. Maarten, in the eastern Caribbean."
tjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2296 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14101 times:
Quoting gators312 (Thread starter): I assume to MCO and FLL on scheduled and charter flights?
MLB, and MCO are the closest.
Quoting gators312 (Thread starter): "Carnival Cruise Lines is working to fly all passengers on one of its cruises back to Florida after the ship suffered a generator failure while docked at Philipsburg, St. Maarten, in the eastern Caribbean."
Wow, bad winter for Carnival.......
Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
BlueJuice From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 205 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 13995 times:
I recall Carnival chartered planes from DL last time. Perhaps they will do the same. No matter who they use, SXM is going to be a busy place for plane spotters.
luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 3, posted (2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13811 times:
Last time they had more lead time, remember it took several days to haul the ship in. This should be an interesting mix that they get together last minute.
N747PE From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 92 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13680 times:
Didn't you hear the lastest? Carnival is going to have the passengers swim to SJU and whoever survives the swim will be put on a charter to MCO Need less planes that way
PI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 599 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13454 times:
The ship sailed from Port Canaveral east of Orlando so likely the charters are just to MCO. It will make reaccomodation easier for fly in guests and others have cars parked at the pier in PCN or were using bus connections/transfers to nearby FL cities.
A neighbor who is aboard the ship just texted me (I'm dog sitting) that "we're flying Delta and will be home tonight." If they are on a charter to MCO, they'll need to get to PCN to get their car and then drive about 3 hours to get home.
How many extra aircraft can SXM accomodate at once? Carnival will need a lot of planes.
Also, getting back to MCO soon is not super-helpful when you don't have return flight reservations for a few days. CCL should be getting hotels for these people in MCO or helping them change their tickets.
ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21025 posts, RR: 60 Reply 10, posted (2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12773 times:
Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 1): Wow, bad winter for Carnival.......
Being stranded in St. Maarten is not the end of the world. In fact, sounds kind of nice.
Can't say the same for being adrift in the Gulf of Mexico.
Quoting canadianpylon (Reply 5): You get what you pay for... when you search for cruises, Carnival always comes up with the lowest price. There is a reason for that. But that is a discussion for another forum...
True on their older ships. But good for families and young people.
Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 8): Also, getting back to MCO soon is not super-helpful when you don't have return flight reservations for a few days. CCL should be getting hotels for these people in MCO or helping them change their tickets.
I would bet that anyone who booked cruise+air with carnival will be sent to whence they came. Those who didn't, well, that's why you ALWAYS buy cruise insurance. It's not that expensive, and this stuff does happen.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12326 posts, RR: 12 Reply 12, posted (2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12420 times:
What about the crew - are they just stuck on the ship or are they being taken to MCO also?
I assume all on a cruise from the USA today, one has to have a Passport or the regional Passcard, if one doesn't how do they get them from the ship to the airport unless there is a special security arrangement made?
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8552 posts, RR: 14 Reply 13, posted (2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12256 times:
Kudos to DL for the save. Out of curiosity, does DL have extra planes sitting around at ATL or hubs or will the planes be running 24/7 with different crews??
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8552 posts, RR: 14 Reply 15, posted (2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12208 times:
Is it me or am I the only one wondering why DL got the gig and not the charter airlines like Omni, Miami Air, or even UA that has a 744 for charter use???
Spacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2735 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12152 times:
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 16): Is it me or am I the only one wondering why DL got the gig and not the charter airlines like Omni, Miami Air, or even UA that has a 744 for charter use???
KH
It's just you.
How many people are on that boat? 3-5000?
Shall we ask to see the bid that DL put forth? Does DL have an agreement with Carnival (since they used DL the last time too)? Could Miami or Omni even move that amount of people in a short time without using every bit of their fleet around the clock?
Shall we ask to see the bid that DL put forth? Does DL have an agreement with Carnival (since they used DL the last time too)? Could Miami or Omni even move that amount of people in a short time without using every bit of their fleet around the clock?
I have a feeling being thats its last minute, it would all depend on which carriers have the most spare capacity sitting idle along with crews. DL seems to be there at the right time when they are called. Based on last time, I suspect we'll see at least 15-20 767 flights. If DL does have an idle 744, I suspect the number of flights would be lower, but my guess is we'll see mostly 767 and 757 flights with a few 738's being thrown into the mix.
JBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 782 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10781 times:
Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 1): MLB, and MCO are the closest.
And DAB. They are able to clear customs in DAB through the international terminal which is equipped with a jetway. MLB has a jetway equipped at their international gate as well. Technically it is possible to accommodate them via MCO, MLB, and DAB. They could also use SFB if necessary.
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MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8552 posts, RR: 14 Reply 22, posted (2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10631 times:
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 20):
AFAIK, DL has a 744 that sits in ATL for 22 hrs everyday
Looking at stats on GCM, DL could send that a/c down there with enough fuel to go from ATL-SXM-MCO which is 3059 miles per GCM/. However, I do not think DL will do this. I think the biggest a/c we see will be an A330 as they used them on the previous charter. If they do use the 744, it would be awesome an a rare sight at both SXM and MCO.
Wingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 215 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10096 times:
It looks like DL got the call....one on the ground in SXM and 3 more appeared for morning ops into SXM in FlightAware, at this hour (0330 EDT).
As to the question of the ship's crew... I imagine they'll stay on-board and have plenty of busy-work. Maybe carpet cleaning, etc. The ship will probably move on for repair somewhere... the articles I read said Carnival didn't want to take out a revenue cruise with the generator out of service. Like a non-rev airliner ferry flight that can fly but not with passengers.
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25 bhmdiversion: DL8860 just left ATL for SXM - ETA 09:05.
26 MCOflyer: Looks like an A332, 764, 763 and 752 are enroute from ATL at the moment. KH
27 harleydriver: www.flightradar24.com is showing a small stream of DL extra sections heading to SXM at this time.
28 Mainland: Add an A333 from ATL and B738 from MSP to the list. That should bring the seat capacity out of SXM to around 1,900 -- almost half way to the reported
29 DeltaRules: There's also a DL 763 on the way which is, for some reason, on its way from BQN (Aguadilla, PR).
30 luv2fly: I would bet that a few more flights will be added once the International flights arrive and if the schedule allows a quick turn and back to SXM! I mea
31 MaddogJT8D: Found a few of the heavies doing the charters: B767-400: N837MH A330-200: N857NW That's N174DZ, looks like it could have been a military charter as it
32 FlyBoy747: How do they determine who gets what class? Do they put those who paid for an expensive suite in J then those who have a cheap inside room in Y? Or do
33 luv2fly: Most likely filled up with those sitting reserve.
34 CanemedicRN: Here's what I see headed that way From KATL 763 Delta 8862 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8862 757 Delta 8861 http://flightaware.com/live/fligh
35 Roseflyer: How many DL A320s and 737s are overwater equipped? I don't believe many of them are ETOPS, but you don't need ETOPS to get to SXM, just the rafts, li
37 SELMER40: LiveATC.net has good audio from TNCM...........
38 vfw614: Don't think that SXM has the capacity to handle a lot of additional heavies at the same time, so it really must be staggered to some extent. Apron spa
39 PI4EVER: Carnival operational woes continue. Carnival Legend has canceled a port call in Grand Cayman and is "limping" under limited power back to Tampa. Carni
40 CanemedicRN: Add another 763 from MCO Delta 8858 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8858 And I see four return flights to MCO starting around 1400[Edited 2013-0
41 cv880: According to FlightAware, as of now DL has 9 charters with seat capacity over 2,000 sked from 0900-1730 today from SXM-MCO.
42 yellowtail: Presumably whomever negotiated this contract at DL should be in line for a "had tons of foresight" bonus
43 lightsaber: I'd have to demand extra compensation... to pay for the drinks consumed while watching the landings... Did carnival pick a bad gear vendor or somethi
44 luv2fly: You have to remember these ships sail 24/7 so no time for serious upkeep except during dry docks, everything else is fixed while sailing. And cruise
45 wingnutmn: That is a bold statement! I know and see plenty of lazy Americans with terrible work habits. Every country has both hard and lazy workers. I would NE
46 Roseflyer: More Filipinos and Indonesians are working on international vessels than any other nationality. I agree the 24/7 operation puts a lot of strain on th
47 ikramerica: Guests not purchasing cruise insurance are foolish. Unless you are a student, retired or drove to the port and can work with the cruise line's schedu
48 LJ: However, the technicians aren't 3rd world by default. I know someone who also does maintenance on (cruise) ships, but isn't actually coming from a 3r
49 TWAL1011727: Yes they are classified as an Int'l airport and do have customs but..... MLB only has 1 agent on staff. DAB probably is the same way. They would have
50 cv880: Looks as if the last (and 10th) just left for MCO at 1915/local....not a bad day for the DL at SXM. Between the 2 recent cruise debacles, it would se
51 rwy04lga: Yeah, they 'might' have a BETTER work ethic!
52 pliersinsight: I wonder if we will be able to discern from their quarterly report what Carnival, or their insurer, paid for all of this..would be very interesting t
53 TPAJAY: So far this is what Flightaware is showing from TNCM to KMCO for today: Delta DAL8858 B763 En Route / On Time Fri 07:20PM AST 10:16PM EDT Fri Delta DA
54 yvphx: I would have loved to be on the beach sippin back a couple drinks at SXM today. Talk about doubling your normal sight of heavies, if not trippling! Ho
55 United727: Older ship??? Dream is one of their newest, if not the newest in the CCL fleet. Crew will return to US Port as D/H on the ship. No major cleaning req
56 ikramerica: The claim was that Carnival is the cheapest way to go. It is only true on their older ships. Trips on the Dream aren't any cheaper than NCL. Don't ge
57 spinkid: Its a shame they aren't offering discounted one ways on the outbounds from Orlando.
58 greg3322: I read on a cruise website that there are supposed to be ten flights Friday (today), six on Saturday, and four on Sunday - all Delta.
59 LJ: More than doubling. The only heavies at SXM are the ones coming from Paris and Amsterdam.
60 burnsie28: From the SXM facebook page, there is also a few other aircraft down there.
61 irelayer: I just saw that 744 you are talking about. It is pretty far from the Caribbean at the moment... -IR
62 pliersinsight: I'd guess every bus and truck is rented out on the island as well to get all the luggage and passengers to the airport.
63 alphaomega: I was wondering how they were going to handle all of the heavies with their limited loaders at SXM, and from the pictures it looks like they were all
64 my1le: Any idea on how much Delta is charging for this?
65 factsonly: Sunday 17 March 2013, at SXM Airport, DL continues to fly SXM-Orlando: - dep. Delta DL 8857 Orlando 08:00 am DEPARTED - dep. Delta DL 8858 Orlando 09:
66 strfyr51: Wow!! What a nightmare. We sent planes in there and there were so many flights trying to get out the airport Ran low on FUEL and had to have it Trucke
67 MCOflyer: Wouldn't it be wise to tanker on enough fuel for the trip plus to have enough to go SJU where they can get more??? KH
68 AeroWesty: How does one truck in fuel to an island?
69 Viscount724: I believe the fuel is trucked several miles from bulk storage tanks to the airport. The heavy demand at the airport probably meant their tanks ran dr
70 akelley728: Because DL would have higher fuel burn hauling that extra fuel to SXM, reducing their profit on this gig.
71 factsonly: SIMPSON BAY, St. Maarten, March 18, 2013 -- Over 1,000 stranded passengers of the Carnival Dream cruise ship were airlifted out of the Princess Julian
72 SELMER40: I hope the SXM Air Trafic Control staff gets a huge award from the country. Their work was outstanding, dare I say perfect. They were out of sight and
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