gators312 From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 41 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 14420 times:
Anyone have any info on what airlines / equipment will be used to get passengers back to Port Canaveral?
I assume to MCO and FLL on scheduled and charter flights?
"Carnival Cruise Lines is working to fly all passengers on one of its cruises back to Florida after the ship suffered a generator failure while docked at Philipsburg, St. Maarten, in the eastern Caribbean."
tjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2296 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (2 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 14136 times:
Quoting gators312 (Thread starter): I assume to MCO and FLL on scheduled and charter flights?
MLB, and MCO are the closest.
Quoting gators312 (Thread starter): "Carnival Cruise Lines is working to fly all passengers on one of its cruises back to Florida after the ship suffered a generator failure while docked at Philipsburg, St. Maarten, in the eastern Caribbean."
Wow, bad winter for Carnival.......
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BlueJuice From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 205 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 14030 times:
I recall Carnival chartered planes from DL last time. Perhaps they will do the same. No matter who they use, SXM is going to be a busy place for plane spotters.
luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 3, posted (2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 13846 times:
Last time they had more lead time, remember it took several days to haul the ship in. This should be an interesting mix that they get together last minute.
N747PE From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 92 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (2 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 13715 times:
Didn't you hear the lastest? Carnival is going to have the passengers swim to SJU and whoever survives the swim will be put on a charter to MCO Need less planes that way
PI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 599 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (2 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 13489 times:
The ship sailed from Port Canaveral east of Orlando so likely the charters are just to MCO. It will make reaccomodation easier for fly in guests and others have cars parked at the pier in PCN or were using bus connections/transfers to nearby FL cities.
A neighbor who is aboard the ship just texted me (I'm dog sitting) that "we're flying Delta and will be home tonight." If they are on a charter to MCO, they'll need to get to PCN to get their car and then drive about 3 hours to get home.
How many extra aircraft can SXM accomodate at once? Carnival will need a lot of planes.
Also, getting back to MCO soon is not super-helpful when you don't have return flight reservations for a few days. CCL should be getting hotels for these people in MCO or helping them change their tickets.
ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21026 posts, RR: 60 Reply 10, posted (2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 12808 times:
Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 1): Wow, bad winter for Carnival.......
Being stranded in St. Maarten is not the end of the world. In fact, sounds kind of nice.
Can't say the same for being adrift in the Gulf of Mexico.
Quoting canadianpylon (Reply 5): You get what you pay for... when you search for cruises, Carnival always comes up with the lowest price. There is a reason for that. But that is a discussion for another forum...
True on their older ships. But good for families and young people.
Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 8): Also, getting back to MCO soon is not super-helpful when you don't have return flight reservations for a few days. CCL should be getting hotels for these people in MCO or helping them change their tickets.
I would bet that anyone who booked cruise+air with carnival will be sent to whence they came. Those who didn't, well, that's why you ALWAYS buy cruise insurance. It's not that expensive, and this stuff does happen.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12330 posts, RR: 12 Reply 12, posted (2 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 12455 times:
What about the crew - are they just stuck on the ship or are they being taken to MCO also?
I assume all on a cruise from the USA today, one has to have a Passport or the regional Passcard, if one doesn't how do they get them from the ship to the airport unless there is a special security arrangement made?
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8552 posts, RR: 14 Reply 13, posted (2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 12291 times:
Kudos to DL for the save. Out of curiosity, does DL have extra planes sitting around at ATL or hubs or will the planes be running 24/7 with different crews??
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8552 posts, RR: 14 Reply 15, posted (2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 12243 times:
Is it me or am I the only one wondering why DL got the gig and not the charter airlines like Omni, Miami Air, or even UA that has a 744 for charter use???
Spacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2736 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 12187 times:
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 16): Is it me or am I the only one wondering why DL got the gig and not the charter airlines like Omni, Miami Air, or even UA that has a 744 for charter use???
KH
It's just you.
How many people are on that boat? 3-5000?
Shall we ask to see the bid that DL put forth? Does DL have an agreement with Carnival (since they used DL the last time too)? Could Miami or Omni even move that amount of people in a short time without using every bit of their fleet around the clock?
Shall we ask to see the bid that DL put forth? Does DL have an agreement with Carnival (since they used DL the last time too)? Could Miami or Omni even move that amount of people in a short time without using every bit of their fleet around the clock?
I have a feeling being thats its last minute, it would all depend on which carriers have the most spare capacity sitting idle along with crews. DL seems to be there at the right time when they are called. Based on last time, I suspect we'll see at least 15-20 767 flights. If DL does have an idle 744, I suspect the number of flights would be lower, but my guess is we'll see mostly 767 and 757 flights with a few 738's being thrown into the mix.
JBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 783 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 10816 times:
Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 1): MLB, and MCO are the closest.
And DAB. They are able to clear customs in DAB through the international terminal which is equipped with a jetway. MLB has a jetway equipped at their international gate as well. Technically it is possible to accommodate them via MCO, MLB, and DAB. They could also use SFB if necessary.
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MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8552 posts, RR: 14 Reply 22, posted (2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 10666 times:
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 20):
AFAIK, DL has a 744 that sits in ATL for 22 hrs everyday
Looking at stats on GCM, DL could send that a/c down there with enough fuel to go from ATL-SXM-MCO which is 3059 miles per GCM/. However, I do not think DL will do this. I think the biggest a/c we see will be an A330 as they used them on the previous charter. If they do use the 744, it would be awesome an a rare sight at both SXM and MCO.
Wingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 216 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 10131 times:
It looks like DL got the call....one on the ground in SXM and 3 more appeared for morning ops into SXM in FlightAware, at this hour (0330 EDT).
As to the question of the ship's crew... I imagine they'll stay on-board and have plenty of busy-work. Maybe carpet cleaning, etc. The ship will probably move on for repair somewhere... the articles I read said Carnival didn't want to take out a revenue cruise with the generator out of service. Like a non-rev airliner ferry flight that can fly but not with passengers.
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luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 30, posted (2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 8339 times:
I would bet that a few more flights will be added once the International flights arrive and if the schedule allows a quick turn and back to SXM! I mean how long do some of those planes sit in ATL between flights.
FlyBoy747 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 6 posts, RR: 0 Reply 32, posted (2 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7922 times:
How do they determine who gets what class? Do they put those who paid for an expensive suite in J then those who have a cheap inside room in Y? Or do they say you all get on this plane and the seating is handled by DL?
As for the crew, does DL send out a mass call for a crew on short notice and whoever can pick it up gets it?
Roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8737 posts, RR: 52 Reply 35, posted (2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6983 times:
Quoting dairbus (Reply 24): Can't say with 100% certainty but expect to see 320/737/757/767/330 equipment operating the charters SXM-MCO over the next three days.
How many DL A320s and 737s are overwater equipped? I don't believe many of them are ETOPS, but you don't need ETOPS to get to SXM, just the rafts, life vests, etc.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
vfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3586 posts, RR: 5 Reply 38, posted (2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6435 times:
Don't think that SXM has the capacity to handle a lot of additional heavies at the same time, so it really must be staggered to some extent. Apron space is rather tight, IIRC, although I think the terminal has some spare capacity.
PI4EVER From United States of America, joined May 2009, 599 posts, RR: 2 Reply 39, posted (2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6436 times:
Carnival operational woes continue. Carnival Legend has canceled a port call in Grand Cayman and is "limping" under limited power back to Tampa. Carnival has reported the ship is under its own power but will likely arrive TPA on Sunday later than scheduled which may "affect our guests onward travel plans."
Good Luck making changes for Sunday into Monday due to limited availability outbound due to Spring Break travel. An estimated 1000 people on board the Legend are flying out of TPA so a bunch of change fees that hopefully will be reimbursed by Carnival and/or its insurer. Guests at this point are only receiving a $100 voucher for on board expenses and a coupon for a 50% discount on a future Carnival cruise. Guests not purchasing the cruise insurance may well have to absorb the additional fees and fares the airline may charge and at this point Carnival has not committed to any further monetary compensation to offset that.
Be treated "royally." Book Royal Caribbean next time and fly Southwest.
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 44): Did carnival pick a bad gear vendor or something? Did they switch to discounted lubricants for their machinery? What is going wrong!?!
Lightsaber
You have to remember these ships sail 24/7 so no time for serious upkeep except during dry docks, everything else is fixed while sailing. And cruise lines have 3rd world crews that might not have the same work ethic as the USA! Of course a few members in charge will be USA or similar the rest is all 3rd world for the most part.
That is a bold statement! I know and see plenty of lazy Americans with terrible work habits. Every country has both hard and lazy workers. I would NEVER say that the US is a model for a workforce.
Just your average pilot
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Roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8737 posts, RR: 52 Reply 46, posted (2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5612 times:
Quoting luv2fly (Reply 45):
You have to remember these ships sail 24/7 so no time for serious upkeep except during dry docks, everything else is fixed while sailing. And cruise lines have 3rd world crews that might not have the same work ethic as the USA! Of course a few members in charge will be USA or similar the rest is all 3rd world for the most part.
More Filipinos and Indonesians are working on international vessels than any other nationality. I agree the 24/7 operation puts a lot of strain on the ship, but the nationality of the crew and officers has little to do with that. When compared in aviation, US carriers are never at the top in reliability anyway. Keeping an airplane in the air or a ship at sea under the pressure that they go through is a monumental task.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21026 posts, RR: 60 Reply 47, posted (2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5569 times:
Quoting PI4EVER (Reply 39): Guests not purchasing the cruise insurance may well have to absorb the additional fees and fares the airline may charge and at this point Carnival has not committed to any further monetary compensation to offset that.
Guests not purchasing cruise insurance are foolish. Unless you are a student, retired or drove to the port and can work with the cruise line's schedule should problems arise, you need INDEPENDENT cruise insurance from a US company so that you are not left in the hands of the cruise line that sails under the rules of a liberal foreign flag.
Quoting luv2fly (Reply 44): And cruise lines have 3rd world crews that might not have the same work ethic as the USA!
True. They likely work harder in worse conditions for less pay and don't bitch as much.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
LJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4142 posts, RR: 1 Reply 48, posted (2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5484 times:
Quoting luv2fly (Reply 45):
You have to remember these ships sail 24/7 so no time for serious upkeep except during dry docks, everything else is fixed while sailing. And cruise lines have 3rd world crews that might not have the same work ethic as the USA! Of course a few members in charge will be USA or similar the rest is all 3rd world for the most part.
However, the technicians aren't 3rd world by default. I know someone who also does maintenance on (cruise) ships, but isn't actually coming from a 3rd world country (unless The Netherlands has sunk to that). However, it seems that not many people who can do the job (why else would someone fly in someone from the Netherlands to do maintenance on a ship which is sailing in the Pacific).
Quoting vfw614 (Reply 39):
Don't think that SXM has the capacity to handle a lot of additional heavies at the same time, so it really must be staggered to some extent. Apron space is rather tight, IIRC, although I think the terminal has some spare capacity.
It seems as if the flights have been spread out over the entire day. Thus not many will be on the tarmac at the same time.
TWAL1011727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 597 posts, RR: 0 Reply 49, posted (2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5240 times:
Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 20): And DAB. They are able to clear customs in DAB through the international terminal which is equipped with a jetway. MLB has a jetway equipped at their international gate as well. Technically it is possible to accommodate them via MCO, MLB, and DAB. They could also use SFB if necessary.
Yes they are classified as an Int'l airport and do have customs but.....
MLB only has 1 agent on staff. DAB probably is the same way.
They would have to send agents over from either MCO or Port Canaveral.
If these flights went to MLB/DAB then clearing them would take hours.
cv880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 989 posts, RR: 2 Reply 50, posted (2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5145 times:
Quoting LJ (Reply 48): It seems as if the flights have been spread out over the entire day. Thus not many will be on the tarmac at the same time.
Looks as if the last (and 10th) just left for MCO at 1915/local....not a bad day for the DL at SXM. Between the 2 recent cruise debacles, it would seem that DL has made some spare change.
pliersinsight From United States of America, joined May 2008, 446 posts, RR: 0 Reply 52, posted (2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4715 times:
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 42): Presumably whomever negotiated this contract at DL should be in line for a "had tons of foresight" bonus
I wonder if we will be able to discern from their quarterly report what Carnival, or their insurer, paid for all of this..would be very interesting to know the cost to on demand charter a fleet of planes. You know, in case you won the lottery a few dozen times.
yvphx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 227 posts, RR: 0 Reply 54, posted (2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4566 times:
I would have loved to be on the beach sippin back a couple drinks at SXM today. Talk about doubling your normal sight of heavies, if not trippling! Hopefully we get some good pictures out of this soon.
LJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4142 posts, RR: 1 Reply 59, posted (2 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3989 times:
Quoting yvphx (Reply 54): I would have loved to be on the beach sippin back a couple drinks at SXM today. Talk about doubling your normal sight of heavies, if not trippling! Hopefully we get some good pictures out of this soon.
More than doubling. The only heavies at SXM are the ones coming from Paris and Amsterdam.
irelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1070 posts, RR: 2 Reply 61, posted (2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3446 times:
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 15):
Is it me or am I the only one wondering why DL got the gig and not the charter airlines like Omni, Miami Air, or even UA that has a 744 for charter use???
KH
I just saw that 744 you are talking about. It is pretty far from the Caribbean at the moment...
alphaomega From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 532 posts, RR: 0 Reply 63, posted (2 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2994 times:
I was wondering how they were going to handle all of the heavies with their limited loaders at SXM, and from the pictures it looks like they were all bulk loaded...interesting, just like the military trips.
factsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 307 posts, RR: 0 Reply 65, posted (2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2618 times:
Sunday 17 March 2013, at SXM Airport, DL continues to fly SXM-Orlando:
- dep. Delta DL 8857 Orlando 08:00 am DEPARTED
- dep. Delta DL 8858 Orlando 09:00 am DEPARTED
- dep. Delta DL 8860 Orlando 10:00 am ON TIME
- dep. Delta DL 8859 Orlando 10:00 am ON TIME
strfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 488 posts, RR: 0 Reply 66, posted (2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2621 times:
Wow!! What a nightmare. We sent planes in there and there were so many flights trying to get out the airport Ran low on FUEL and had to have it Trucked in
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8552 posts, RR: 14 Reply 67, posted (2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2282 times:
Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 66): Wow!! What a nightmare. We sent planes in there and there were so many flights trying to get out the airport Ran low on FUEL and had to have it Trucked in
Wouldn't it be wise to tanker on enough fuel for the trip plus to have enough to go SJU where they can get more???
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21464 posts, RR: 24 Reply 69, posted (2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1742 times:
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 68): Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 66):
airport Ran low on FUEL and had to have it Trucked in
How does one truck in fuel to an island?
I believe the fuel is trucked several miles from bulk storage tanks to the airport. The heavy demand at the airport probably meant their tanks ran dry and had to be replenished.
factsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 307 posts, RR: 0 Reply 71, posted (2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1034 times:
SIMPSON BAY, St. Maarten, March 18, 2013
-- Over 1,000 stranded passengers of the Carnival Dream cruise ship were airlifted out of the Princess Juliana International Airport (SXM) on Friday on charter flights operated by Delta Airlines.
According to the Director of Operations at SXM, Larry Donker , everything went "very well" given the circumstances.
Donker expressed appreciation for the cooperation between SXM and representatives of Delta Airlines to ensure a smooth evacuation of the passengers. Carnival Cruise Lines also had several personnel at the Terminal Building throughout the day to assist passengers with the check-in process.
"At SXM, we had all hands on deck to ensure that the whole operation was seamless," Donker said.
He confirmed that an additional 1,400 passengers were shuttled out of SXM on seven Delta Airlines charter flights Saturday, March 16, 2013. Throughout the day, reporters from US news organizations such as NBC, CBS, and ABC were seen in the Terminal Building interviewing passengers.
Overall, the passengers seemed upbeat and in high spirits. They were offered complimentary treats at the airport courtesy of SXM and all of the affected Carnival Dream passengers received a 10% discount on all purchases at the airport's retail and Food and Beverage outlets.
"This was an emergency situation and we had to put our best foot forward to ensure that the passengers had an experience that would move them to consider returning to our island in the future for a more relaxed and enjoyable vacation," said PJIAE Managing Director Regina LaBega .
"I must express my heartfelt appreciation to all the management and staff of PJIAE and all the other agencies that collaborated in making this first day of the evacuation such a huge success," LaBega said, adding, "We will ensure that these efforts continue until the last passenger is departed safely to his or her home."
About Princess Juliana International Airport
Princess Juliana International Airport serves the island of St. Maarten and is known on the GDS as SXM. The airport has 13 gates facilitating over 2.5 million passengers arriving into and departing from the country annually.
For more information regarding the airport, flight status' or latest developments regarding Carnival Dream passengers visit the official website at http://www.sxmairport.com or contact Offshore Editing Services on behalf of PJIAE N.V. PR2013/029 House of Nehesi Publishers nehesi@sintmaarten.net.
SELMER40 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 29 posts, RR: 0 Reply 72, posted (2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 804 times:
I hope the SXM Air Trafic Control staff gets a huge award from the country. Their work was outstanding, dare I say perfect. They were out of sight and only heard but, their performance made all the efforts of the three days work.
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