southwest737500 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 594 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4124 times:
Hello
After seeing B6 build up dramatically on FLL it made me think. B6 is on the move and I think we can all say that B6 is scaring off NK. I came here to discuss B6 and possible routes new routes and routes coming back
CLT: we had this route and then it got dropped I believe there is enough connection on the other end to help fill this up. Plus there is a loyal B6 following here
PIT: they've never had this route but I think it's a great possblity, the key for this is to allow connection to the Caribbean.
PHL: I decided to throw this in because with all the WN cuts in PHL it could possibly happen. Now PHL fans don't get all excited because you don't even have B6 yet.
MSY: this might just be a random through but this woudnt be bad for customers going to the Caribbean
ATL: I say ATL anticipating when they come. Anyways it will be a tough for B6 but you have to take risk. The likely scenario would be ATL-BOS before this.
Anyways if you have any other suggestion please feel free to discuss it.
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luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 1, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4060 times:
If CLT was already dropped it's not coming back. B6 doesn't usually go back to the well. And IMHO B6 and NK are two different carriers and neither one is really not a threat to the other.
B6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2767 posts, RR: 7 Reply 2, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4037 times:
What I think you are going to see is a change in focus from MCO to FLL for the southern gateway to South and Central America. Domestic expansion? Sure, I'm sure you'll see more "connecting the dots" as time goes by and more dots get added to the map, but I think the main focus is going to be making FLL the Blue City that connects folks further south. Just my
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MIflyer12 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 141 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3993 times:
Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
ATL: I say ATL anticipating when they come. Anyways it will be a tough for B6 but you have to take risk. The likely scenario would be ATL-BOS before this.
ATL-FLL already has the service/price/frequency spectrum covered with AirTran, Spirit, and Delta (DL with 13x on Monday, all 757-200 or -300).
Polot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 1502 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3813 times:
Quoting doulasc (Reply 5): How about PHL and BWI.All thats served from those two is BOS and PHL has yet to start.
I don't know about PHL, but B6 would probably get slaughtered by WN/FL on BWI-FLL. BWI is, of course, a WN stronghold and their operations at FLL are nothing to sneeze at either. They have a lot of loyal followers in both cities that would make it difficult for B6 to break through, especially considering the number of flights WN/FL offers between the two.
point2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1961 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3768 times:
If B6 really wants to be bold with their domestic expansion from FLL, they could always be the fifth airline to do FLL-DEN after UA, F9, WN and NK..........
airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 878 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3728 times:
Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter): I believe there is enough connection on the other end to help fill this up.
They ended it before, something big has to change for them to rethink it.
I can certainly see B6 entering ATL to JFK and BOS but definitely not Florida. Florida is served very well already and they would be hurting them selves.
NK competes on a level with Allegiant. They have their own type of passengers, the passengers that won't fly unless they get a ridiculously cheap fare. NK is barley affected if at all by B6 and vis versa.
jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2666 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3684 times:
CLT did work.
They got early morning cruise and leisure traffic and filled up the flight.
Then they retimed the flight to an afternoon departure and were left with lots of empty seats.
Talk to station personnel at CLT...they are still puzzled by the whole thing
Back to FLL...I think they have around 60 departures. This may double over the next few years
bobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1367 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3665 times:
ATL will depend on how much WN pulls down ATL. I really can see WN not flying LGA and BOS from ATL. I think Florida will be cut back but not discontinued outright, except for possibly PBI, JAX. There certainly will be an opening for JetBlue should WN pull down FLL and MCO, especially given the connections beyond that exist.
usctrojan18 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 57 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3628 times:
SAN? Maybe to rival the new AA to MIA service? I would rather fly B6 to South Florida than AA.
jonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 638 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3532 times:
IMO jetBlue should sit back and wait for NK to continue to pull down FLL. They really should not be in a rush to expand there considering that the airport is being renovated. Once NK pulls down more and more gates open up I do expect them to expand. Some potential destinations I can see are: LAS, CCS (if they can get approval), MEX (again if they can get approval), CLO and basically just connecting the dots to cities they become stronger at.
Quoting usctrojan18 (Reply 12):
SAN? Maybe to rival the new AA to MIA service? I would rather fly B6 to South Florida than AA.
Doubt it, even with the huge hub on one end AA was reluctant to start the route. If another carrier were to fly it I think it would actually be VX. Regardless very improbable for another carrier to start the route.
They got early morning cruise and leisure traffic and filled up the flight.
Then they retimed the flight to an afternoon departure and were left with lots of empty seats.
Talk to station personnel at CLT...they are still puzzled by the whole thing
Back to FLL...I think they have around 60 departures. This may double over the next few years
Remember that with a combined AA/US CLT-South Florida will see a large rise in capacity. There might not be room in the future but CLT is still a nice complimentary destination for them at FLL.
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 8): There is no reason for them to start the route plus they have shown no interest in MSY.
Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 2): What I think you are going to see is a change in focus from MCO to FLL for the southern gateway to South and Central America. Domestic expansion? Sure, I'm sure you'll see more "connecting the dots" as time goes by and more dots get added to the map, but I think the main focus is going to be making FLL the Blue City that connects folks further south. Just my
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Look for B6 to try and replicate AA at MIA. With their lower costs they can compete easily.
panam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2601 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3451 times:
Quoting N62NA (Reply 9): It would be nice to see SYR-FLL. Perfect for an E-190.
It's been done before; I guess it just didn't work well enough. IIRC it got cut when fuel skyrocketed, and never got reinstated. They've since beefed up MCO non-stops, though.
adamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 150 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3421 times:
Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 13): Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 2):
What I think you are going to see is a change in focus from MCO to FLL for the southern gateway to South and Central America. Domestic expansion? Sure, I'm sure you'll see more "connecting the dots" as time goes by and more dots get added to the map, but I think the main focus is going to be making FLL the Blue City that connects folks further south. Just my
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Look for B6 to try and replicate AA at MIA. With their lower costs they can compete easily.
I was hoping for this too but for starters the timing of the FLL-SJO flights didn't allow for any connections!!
roswell41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 576 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3386 times:
NK isn't leaving FLL. I don't know where B6 will get any more gates. They will probably lose use of some gates temporarily with the terminal construction.
jonathanxxxx From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 638 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3346 times:
Is NK leaving FLL? Obviously not, it is too important for them to leave.
Are they downsizing it to focus on other flying? Yes. While I don't have exact numbers NK has cut a nice chunk of their international flying, while its no MEM or CVG situation it is still a cut nonetheless.
JBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3160 posts, RR: 21 Reply 18, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3265 times:
There are two likely scenarios for FLL as JetBlue grows this airport to 100 departures a day over the next several years. FLL-South/Central America is definite. FLL will become a greater international gateway once customs and immigration facilities can handle the growth. Domestic connecting the dots will happen, as well. I think you will see an increased presence on the West flights, like FLL-LAX and SFO. These markets are performing quite well. I think you'll also see some northern expansion - connecting the likes of PHL and BWI in the next 1-2 years. If ORD-SJU works and helps restore some of JetBlue's confidence/relevancy into the ORD market, then you will see FLL or MCO get added, as well.
par13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 5902 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3254 times:
Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 2): What I think you are going to see is a change in focus from MCO to FLL
Over the next year or so, FLL will be a difficult airport to negotiate as a runway is closed while a new one is built, now may not be the time to expand, customers might not like the extra long delays before their a/c take off which may afeect the success of new / expanded routes.
southwest737500 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 594 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3137 times:
B6 really shot themselves in the foot because they were filling to plane up and then they changed the schedule which wasn't smart.
roswell41 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 576 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2965 times:
The runway and future terminal construction precludes much expansion in FLL by any carrier. There will be headaches operationally for all carriers as this process unfolds. NK has become less FLL-centric for a number of reasons lately and one is certainly the aforementioned. JetBlue certainly will have the same problems should they try to expand too large in FLL.
Flaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1115 posts, RR: 4 Reply 22, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2783 times:
PIT - Still a realistic possibility. Its been discussed for years. The ending of the JFK flights doesn't necessarily have any impact on potential FLL service. They bumped BOS up to 4x when they dropped JFK so they haven't totally given up on the market. With FL branded ops drawing down WN has a lock on almost all nonstop PIT-Florida markets. Its an opening but not necessarily one that B6 will jump into. Someone will eventually but time will tell who.
Icebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 621 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2695 times:
Personally I believe you will see the FLL expansion start to happen at the end of this year leading into the 2014 as we start to ramp up on a/c deliveries starting in 2014 to 2017. I don't think the 100 flights per day will be hit for 5-6 years from now.
LGB....where you can watch the grass grow because the traffic is so slow.
boeing773ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 320 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2644 times:
I don't really think that NK and G4 are in the same category. NK is a bottom feeder on major routes ex-DFW/LAS, where G4 exploits very small markets, and they sends them to a tourist city.
G4 offers people an other option for people who don't want to travel to large airports. For example I notice plenty of older people on G4 flights, most of them don't want to have a connection in ORD, ATL, CLT and so on.
And I fly on G4 because they fly out the airport two minutes from my house. I don't want to spend an hour and a half traveling to PHL or EWR, plus whatever time it takes to get through security, park the car. It is much faster flying out of a smaller airport.
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25 sflaflight: Why have we still not seen FLL-BTV. Yes NK and Allegiant are on PBG but I think there still can be a market.
26 JetBlue1058: I strongly think CLT-FLL should begin again. SWA737500 knows what he talks about when it comes to CLT and I think that the route just makes sense to s
27 roswell41: Regarding PIT, don't forget that NK serves FLL to LBE.
28 JetBlue1058: Don't forget that LBE is 1 hr away and alot of the lazy yinzers don't even know that NK serves LBE. Most just look up PIT cause the advertising for LB
29 SurfandSnow: US has proven to be a very formidable competitor against the LCCs from all 3 of its hubs. FL and B6 jumped into the CLT market in the mid-2000s; US h
30 rgr8apples: JetBlue has limited planes and the ones that they have must be making money all of the timel Would BTV to FLL work? Depends on how you look at it. I
31 PITrules: The fact remains, NK draws its passsengers from the entire Pittsburgh MSA and beyond.
32 OB1504: Spirit's not eliminating its FLL hub, so JetBlue would be in for a long wait. The number of daily departures from FLL hasn't changed from what it was
33 Flytravel: It was a pretty significant cutback at PHL though between WN/FL even with just the Florida service. I don't expect B6 offering much to fill anyways i
34 infiniti329: I dont think LGA-ATL is going anywhere 1. I dont think WN is going to hand over the route DL being that their DL's only decent competition on the rou
35 jetbluefan1: Different cost structure. Different connections. The failure of PIT-JFK has nothing to do with how well PIT-FLL would perform. The reason PIT-JFK fai
36 bobloblaw: That's a good point. ATL should be a good carribbean gateway for WN.
38 United_fan: You can add ROC to that list . BUF gets 2x WN and 1 FL a day to FLL . I'm sure ROC could make it work ,at least Oct-May. FL used to have Saturday -Se
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I believe there is enough connection on the other end to help fill this up. Plus there is a loyal B6 following here 
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