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Irish 4/13: The St. Patrick's Day Special  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 20454 times:

Good morning and a very happy St. Patrick's Day to you all!

Here's the previous thread:
Irish 3/13: Winging It ... (by kaitak Feb 26 2013 in Civil Aviation)

It's been quite an interesting few weeks and the previous thread saw a number of interesting developments:
- Ryanair's bid to buy out EI officially/formally rejected by EU
- Aer Lingus's proposal to acquire 757s for transatlantic operations
- New routes: Dublin - Bremen (FR) and Amsterdam to Belfast (KL)
- Ryanair to buy 200 more 738s
- Government launches consultation on new national aviation policy
- SAS flying 717s to Dublin

The Summer season starts within the next fortnight, so we should see a significant increase in new flights, if not a significant increase in sunshine!

There is (apparently) a significant routes-related announcement due today, according to Routesonline; hopefully something significant ...

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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 20449 times:
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Lets start the new thread with a rather funny story

'Did he have his passport? Arizona bound dog put on flight to IRELAND!'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ght-IRELAND.html?ito=feeds-newsxml



Next Flights: 27/06/14 CX 178 MEL-HKG; 28/06/14 CX 830 HKG-JFK; 04/07/14 EI 134 BOS-SNN
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 20344 times:

Lá Fhéile Pádraig sona daoibh! / Happy St Patricks Day everyone.  

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A nice video of the events at Dublin Airport over the last few days. They really did put on a good show. Obviously the best was in T2 with T1 being the place that it is they did their best but its really tired looking.

http://youtu.be/ClrbENiprCI


User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 20237 times:

Happy St. Patrick's Day to you all from Cork!

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
SAS flying 717s to Dublin

What??? Where did they get them from?? Hope to see one at Cork if there will ever be a diversion  



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 20211 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 3):
Happy St. Patrick's Day to you all from Cork!

Agus tu fein.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 3):
What??? Where did they get them from?? Hope to see one at Cork if there will ever be a diversion  

From the last thread I posted that Blue1 will be operating some of the SK flights from the 1st April. They use the B717 so great news for DUB.


User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 20188 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
From the last thread I posted that Blue1 will be operating some of the SK flights from the 1st April. They use the B717 so great news for DUB.

Ok, thanks, that makes sense. Good news.

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
There is (apparently) a significant routes-related announcement due today, according to Routesonline; hopefully something significant ...

I guess it is Dublin? Although of course I keep my fingers crossed for Cork  



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlineirishair98 From Ireland, joined Dec 2011, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 18774 times:

As of flight radar 24 a world airways md-11 has just taken off from DUB with an unknown destination N271WA is the reg . Can anyone explain this ??


Next Flights: DUB-MAN, MAN-MCO, MCO-MAN, MAN-DUB, DUB-CFN,
User currently offlinecallbell From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 18315 times:

Looks like it is heading to IAD.

User currently offlineirish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 964 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 17747 times:

Quoting irishair98 (Reply 6):
As of flight radar 24 a world airways md-11 has just taken off from DUB with an unknown destination N271WA is the reg . Can anyone explain this ??

It arrived on the morning of the 17th and departed that night to IAD and IND - no doubt connected with St. Patrick's Day festivities.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 17729 times:

Quoting irish251 (Reply 8):
It arrived on the morning of the 17th and departed that night to IAD and IND - no doubt connected with St. Patrick's Day festivities.

Maybe a charter. There were some quite large bands some with over 200 at the DUB parade.


User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 17566 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):
Maybe a charter. There were some quite large bands some with over 200 at the DUB parade.

On that topic:

How did the Mayor of San Fransisco fly into Ireland for the Cork parade?



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 17445 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 10):

The Mayor was in New York before Ireland so there are a few options.



John@SFO
User currently offlineconnector4you From Canada, joined May 2001, 932 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 17311 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
The Summer season starts within the next fortnight, so we should see a significant increase in new flights,

Here's one:

Tarom Romanian starting May 01, three weekly Wed Fri Sun, Bucharest-Dublin B737

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Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Pieter-Jan Van De Vijver



OTP 21:30 – 23:30 DUB
DUB 00:20 – 6:05 OTP


User currently offlineORKCC From Ireland, joined Mar 2013, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 17299 times:

Any announcement by FR yet with regards to the new order?

User currently offlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2145 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 17274 times:

Quoting connector4you (Reply 12):

Nice to see RO back in DUB.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 17226 times:

Quoting eicvd (Reply 14):
Nice to see RO back in DUB.

Yes, not that we'll be doing much "seeing" at that hour; I mean, I know they come from a country that includes Transylvania (and linking with the home town of Bram Stoker), but that's a poor excuse for some very unsocial hours of flying! Are they afraid their cabin crews will turn to dust if they see daylight in Dublin!?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 17196 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 15):
Yes, not that we'll be doing much "seeing" at that hour; I mean, I know they come from a country that includes Transylvania (and linking with the home town of Bram Stoker), but that's a poor excuse for some very unsocial hours of flying! Are they afraid their cabin crews will turn to dust if they see daylight in Dublin!?

LMAO   That was very funny.  

Indeed RO back and EI gone off the route. Still nice to see err or imagine RO metal at DUB  


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 17168 times:

UA will invert the flight numbers of its EWR services to SNN and DUB from 7th June. BFS gets a new pair of flight numbers. There will be no changes to the ORD-SNN and IAD-DUB flight numbers as of yet.

- UA22 (EWR-DUB) switches to UA23 and vice versa
- UA24 (EWR-SNN) switches to UA25 and vice versa
- UA94 (EWR-BFS) becomes UA77 and UA95 (BFS-EWR) becomes UA76



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 174 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 17020 times:

Quoting ORKCC (Reply 13):

14.15 tomorrow...


User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 16939 times:

1st visit to DUB of an A320 with Sharklets
http://www.irishairpics.com/photo/10...-AIZP/Lufthansa-LH--DLH/?&sid=&sp=


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 16926 times:

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 19):
1st visit to DUB of an A320 with Sharklets
http://www.irishairpics.com/photo/10...=&sp=

Nice . Reminds me of a TU-204  


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 16900 times:

UA accidently send a dog bound for Phoenix to SNN:
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/15/us/new-jersey-dog-gone



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineirishair98 From Ireland, joined Dec 2011, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 16812 times:

Did EI do an extra DUB - BOS flight today as EI138 operated by DAA is this just for the saint Patrick's weekend ?


Next Flights: DUB-MAN, MAN-MCO, MCO-MAN, MAN-DUB, DUB-CFN,
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 16653 times:

So here it is :

Ryanair has signed a deal with Boeing to buy 175 new Next Generation 737-800 airplanes.
The airline said that when finalised, the deal will be worth nearly $15.6 billion at current list prices.
Ryanair said the purchase will allow its airline to grow to more than 400 airplanes.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2013...deal-to-buy-175-new-boeing-planes/

Also Boeings statement on the order :

NEW YORK, March 19, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing (NYSE: BA) is delighted that Ryanair has announced a commitment today to order 175 Next-Generation 737-800s for the airline's fleet expansion. When finalized, the agreement will be worth $15.6 billion at list prices and will be posted to the Boeing Orders & Deliveries website as a firm order.
"This agreement is an amazing testament to the value that the Next-Generation 737 brings to Ryanair," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes President & CEO Ray Conner.

http://www.sys-con.com/node/2583664

Congrats to both FR and Boeing. Always nice to see a big order like this.

[Edited 2013-03-19 03:01:13]

User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4158 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 16532 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 23):

Wow! Well, let the speculation begin then as to where these new aircraft will be going in terms of new bases?

Scandinavia to take on DY has to be a contender, as well as rumoured new Russian services?



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User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 174 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 16526 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 24):

Not to sure about that, it would be SK more so than DY and Scandinavia in general is a hard market to crack if your not based there. I expect some of the aircraft will go eastren and southern Europe and maybe a little further than Europe.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 16496 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 24):
Wow! Well, let the speculation begin then as to where these new aircraft will be going in terms of new bases?

Id expect Greece/Cyprus and North Africa over time.


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 16687 times:
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Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 24):
Wow! Well, let the speculation begin then as to where these new aircraft will be going in terms of new bases?

Scandinavia to take on DY has to be a contender, as well as rumoured new Russian services?

Well the press release quotes 100 million pax rather than the previous FR number of 120M......so perhaps Russia and/or Israel are of the table? Or maybe the 120M was planned to include EI?


User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 16648 times:

According to local news the San Fransisco mayor wants to have a direct flight between Cork and California. The only direct link I can see in the future are the EMC jets at ORK  


Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently onlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1461 posts, RR: 3
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16568 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 26):
Id expect Greece/Cyprus and North Africa over time

All those markets seem fairly weak at present and into the near future, so it will be interesting to see where FR can place any new aircraft. Doubtless, as in the past existing aircraft will be disposed of, but the market is much less advantageous now, with many relatively young narrowbodies going for scrapping.


User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16469 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 28):

According to local news the San Fransisco mayor wants to have a direct flight between Cork and California. The only direct link I can see in the future are the EMC jets at ORK  

They might want to see if they can get an East coast service going first. Doubt anyway if any current aircraft can do it direct given the runway length.


User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16458 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 24):
Wow! Well, let the speculation begin then as to where these new aircraft will be going in terms of new bases?

Not new bases, but when announcing the Eindhoven and Maastricht bases last year MOL told the press that there were many more routes researched and approved but that FR just didnt have the planes for it.

I do believe that both EIN and MST can sustain more routes, there are millions of potential pax in the area, and the trend is that Dutch- Belgian tourists go on many short holidays instead of a long one in summer.



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16445 times:

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 29):
All those markets seem fairly weak at present

On the flip side of the coin for some airlines its a buyers market. Ideal time to do deals.  


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4158 posts, RR: 13
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16461 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 31):
I do believe that both EIN and MST can sustain more routes, there are millions of potential pax in the area, and the trend is that Dutch- Belgian tourists go on many short holidays instead of a long one in summer.

The Dutch do love a bargain, and I'm frankly very surprised that Ryanair dont have a very substantial base in the country somewhere. It would make their legions of Dutch Pilots very happy also.

The problem with EIN is the operational restrictions that come with also being a military base - you get a certain allocation of slots, and getting any extra for positioning flights etc etc is difficult if not impossible. This really does not lend itself to establishment of a base.

MST is a small airport in terms of pax facilities, and could not acomodate a large base without significant expansion.



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User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16431 times:
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Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 33):
MST is a small airport in terms of pax facilities, and could not acomodate a large base without significant expansion.

I doubt that pax faciities would deter FR......."overblown shopping malls" I believe is the MoL term for modern airport terminals


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4158 posts, RR: 13
Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16410 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 34):
I doubt that pax faciities would deter FR......."overblown shopping malls" I believe is the MoL term for modern airport terminals

MST is so "bijou", it would possibly cause delays if there were any more than 2 aircraft there at once. Delays are something that MOL cares about  

That said, a tent would surely suffice.......



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User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16402 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 33):
The problem with EIN is the operational restrictions that come with also being a military base - you get a certain allocation of slots, and getting any extra for positioning flights etc etc is difficult if not impossible. This really does not lend itself to establishment of a base.

MST is a small airport in terms of pax facilities, and could not acomodate a large base without significant expansion.

EIN is expanding rapidly, with a large terminal expansion well underway, with on top of the terminal a hotel with 120 rooms almost ready. HV has a base there now as well with 3 737s .



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4158 posts, RR: 13
Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16342 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 36):
EIN is expanding rapidly, with a large terminal expansion well underway, with on top of the terminal a hotel with 120 rooms almost ready. HV has a base there now as well with 3 737s .

It's a very well equipped airport, but a bit of a pain in the ass to deal with at times.



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7080 posts, RR: 57
Reply 38, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16082 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 28):

According to local news the San Fransisco mayor wants to have a direct flight between Cork and California. The only direct link I can see in the future are the EMC jets at ORK

It seems like the Mayor of San Fransisco has the same airline acumen as our friends over on the Cork Thread on anotherr forum.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 39, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 15842 times:
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Quoting BestWestern (Reply 38):
It seems like the Mayor of San Fransisco has the same airline acumen as our friends over on the Cork Thread on anotherr forum.

Low blow there BW.............


.....not that it aint the truth though.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 40, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 15843 times:

Good news for BFS . Hopefully they can maintain this kind of traffic for 2013.

Also interesting article about Indian carriers.

European airports woo Indian airlines

European airports are wooing Indian airlines in the wake of intense competition from aviation hubs such as Dubai and Doha.

Now, airports in Europe, including those in Amsterdam, Dublin, London, Gatwick and Munich, are luring Indian airlines to start direct services. Representatives from these cities met Air India and Jet Airways executives at the Routes Asia conference here over the past two days.

http://www.business-standard.com/art...ndian-carriers-113031900284_1.html

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Latest passenger figures leave airport flying high

BELFAST International Airport was the second best performing airport in the UK last year - despite the contentious defection of Irish flag-carrier Aer Lingus to Belfast City after five years flying from Aldergrove.
Figures from the Civil Aviation Authority show that the International Airport enjoyed a 5 per cent passenger increase - 215,000 in real terms - in 2012, pipped only by Aberdeen (8 per cent) but ahead of Manchester with a 4.5 per cent increase.

http://www.irishnews.com/business/la...-leave-airport-flying-high-1240468


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 174 posts, RR: 2
Reply 41, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15551 times:

DUB-CLT route will now operate until 6 October.
SNN-PHL route will now operate until 5 October.

Both were due to stop early September. Good News!


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15497 times:

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 41):

Great news! US seem to have the most competitive prices on transatlantic from Shannon so far for this summer. Glad to see it's working for them and a good sign for the future of SNN-PHL. Also DUB-CLT which was rumoured not to be doing so great.

Did anyone see this on YouTube? Comical and a bit disturbing at the same time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rseh4Bf8xJ0



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineEireRock From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 301 posts, RR: 4
Reply 43, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 15217 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 42):
Also DUB-CLT which was rumoured not to be doing so great.

I saw these rumours on an earlier thread I think, seems unfounded TBH, the CLT flight always seemed to be doing well during the summer months, lots of onward transfers, MCO especially. It did have the usual slow start in May and then drop off coming close to season end in Sept but apart from that I always seen healthy loads on it.


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 174 posts, RR: 2
Reply 44, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 15142 times:

Quoting EireRock (Reply 43):

It was the US Airways CEO who make the comments last year, the problem is they expected more O&D traffic, its flights had good loads but fares were weak.


User currently onlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1461 posts, RR: 3
Reply 45, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 14785 times:

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 45):
Ryanair to operate twice weekly Shannon-Alicante route between 5 June and 27 September.

Ryanair seem to be the only game in town for new continental routes for SNN.
Hope this relationship does not sour as quickly as past arrangements. Be interesting to see what concessions were offered.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 46, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14618 times:

AF / Cityjet have launched a new fare DUB-LCY with a min 2 night stay for EUR109 all in including taxes. Thats a bit more like it .

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Ulster airport worker sacked over Girls Aloud picture

Devastated ex-City of Derry airport worker Alex Duffy has revealed that his life is on the skids after being pictured with the jet-setting singer in the security area and posting it on the social networking site.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/su...-girls-aloud-picture-29137056.html

Just goes to show people need to be more careful when they do these things on duty especially in a security area. Tough lesson to learn though.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14595 times:

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 46):
Ryanair seem to be the only game in town for new continental routes for SNN.

Aer Lingus recently added Shannon-Faro...

Alicante is a great addition to the continuing success of SNN's new routes for 2013. That's five new routes to be introduced this year (ORD, PHL, FAO, GLA, ALC). Hopefully more to come! I have to wonder if SNN-ALC can co-exist with KIR-ALC which was recently announced to be upgraded to 3x weekly during the peak summer months.

http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/abo...o_its_Shannon_summer_schedule.aspx

http://www.ryanair.com/ie/news/ryana...ches-new-shannon-route-to-alicante

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Aer Lingus Regional flight RE3843 (BRS-ORK) was diverted to KIR this afternoon due to strong crosswinds. This has in turn delayed the turnaround to BHX (RE3706).



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 48, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14520 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 48):
Aer Lingus Regional flight RE3843 (BRS-ORK) was diverted to KIR this afternoon due to strong crosswinds. This has in turn delayed the turnaround to BHX (RE3706).

The weather in Cork has been terrible all afternoon, after rain in the morning the wind picked up, with some rally nasty gusts.



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 49, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14508 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 49):
The weather in Cork has been terrible all afternoon, after rain in the morning the wind picked up, with some rally nasty gusts.

Yep same here also . Supposed to last over the weekend. Im sure it will disrupt some flights especially in the North.

Weather alert - Northern Ireland braced for drifting snow, gales and rain

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...ill-sweeps-across-uk-29145454.html


User currently offlineEIBusiness From Ireland, joined Feb 2010, 639 posts, RR: 7
Reply 50, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14262 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 49):

Weather alert - Northern Ireland braced for drifting snow, gales and rain

I suspect that flight diversions are possible in the coming hours.

Currently - a deep depression is centred WSW of Ireland while pressure remains very high all across Scandinavia and Northeastern Europe - where record late season cold is occurring. As a result - a very severe S'Ely airflow covers Ireland. As the rainfall associated with this depression tracks northwards, it is becoming slow moving and meeting the colder Arctic sourced air-mass to the Northeast - turning readily to snowfall.

During the coming 48-72 hours - this area of low pressure will gradually decline however even colder Easterly winds will become established - with exceptionally cold air filtering Westwards all across Ireland. At the moment - it looks like some areas of Northern Ireland (high ground especially) could see severe snowfall while into early next week - if current guidance is correct - de-icing and wintry precipitation may be the order of the day!

EIBusiness



Vivo Per Lei...
User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14263 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 48):
The weather in Cork has been terrible all afternoon, after rain in the morning the wind picked up, with some rally nasty gusts.

Some flights diverting from SNN EI 387 on approach to DUB now.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 52, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14264 times:

Quoting EIBusiness (Reply 50):
I suspect that flight diversions are possible in the coming hours.

Thanks for the very detailed information as always.   Certainly would not surprise me Im expecting a power outage here the lights have been flickering and winds extreme currently.

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 51):
Some flights diverting from SNN EI 387 on approach to DUB now.

Im surprised they are not diverting from DUB also. ( Unless its not as bad there like it is here ) .


User currently offlineirishair98 From Ireland, joined Dec 2011, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 14211 times:

this evenings Loganair flight from DUB - CFN was cancelled due to strong winds up here.


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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 54, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days ago) and read 14002 times:
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Quoting dstc47 (Reply 45):
Ryanair seem to be the only game in town for new continental routes for SNN.

One is SNN's biggest weaknesses has beeo continental Europe with sun destinations being the backbone of any European routes. Good to hear more expansion at SNN and to a destination not currently served or likely to be served by any other airline. FR used to operate ALC a few years back before all the cutbacks there.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 46):
Hope this relationship does not sour as quickly as past arrangements. Be interesting to see what concessions were offered.

I also hope that the relationship doesn't get too cosy to the point where SNN are once again at the mercy of FR. A nice, slow, steadt sustainable approach is what is needed not a get rich quick scheme like existed before. Yeah, FR proved you can fly alot of people to alot of destinations from SNN provided you practically paid them to fly.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 55, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13988 times:

As expected some disruption at BHD :

STATEMENT RE. WEATHER DISRUPTION FRIDAY 22ND MARCH 06:30

Friday 22 Mar 2013

While the airport remains open, George Best Belfast City Airport will 'Snow Close' the runway this morning until an estimated time of 08:30, due to a persistant wet snow fall.

Passengers are advised to check with their airline before travelling.

http://www.belfastcityairport.com/Ab...-DISRUPTION-FRIDAY-22ND-MARCH.aspx


User currently onlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1461 posts, RR: 3
Reply 56, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13977 times:

Not only is BHD closed, but 18,000 homes in N.I. are without power .

Not too wonderful down here Dublin this morning, with heavy driving rain.
I do hope we do not have to compensate all those lured over by "The Gathering" for misselling - it has hardly stopped raining since that ballyhoo started.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 57, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13937 times:

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 56):

40,000 without power is the latest but BHD just re opened the runway but lots of delays.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13703 times:

RE3721 (MAN-ORK) was diverted to KIR this morning due to crosswinds. Passengers on the turnaround to BRS were bussed to KIR, causing knock-on delays this afternoon for flights operated by that aircraft.


Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 59, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13366 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 58):
RE3721 (MAN-ORK) was diverted to KIR this morning due to crosswinds. Passengers on the turnaround to BRS were bussed to KIR, causing knock-on delays this afternoon for flights operated by that aircraft.

Thanks for the update, I was already wondering why every flight is delayed into Cork tonight, up to 4 hours. Since two Aer Lingus flights are now to land around 3AM the question came up if Cork had a curfew being so close to the city?



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User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6319 posts, RR: 14
Reply 60, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13392 times:

The Aer Lingus 757 rumour seemed to go very quiet recently but was revived today, same rumours of 757s at SNN, Toronto from DUB and back to the west coast with the spare A330.

It was mentioned on Morning Ireland today as well.

http://www.rte.ie/news/morningirelan...130322,20175185,20175185,flash,232

Hopefully not long to wait before confirmation, could be a very interesting development and the biggest since the Open Skies routes were announced.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 59):
Since two Aer Lingus flights are now to land around 3AM the question came up if Cork had a curfew being so close to the city?

Cork's terminal is actually open 24 hours a day, not sure if that's changed. I've never heard of flights having a curfew either but might be wrong.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 61, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 13194 times:

It's been reported that a deal is in the making between Boeing, Southwest and Ryanair, whereby FR will take some of WN's early delivery slots, while WN will take some of FR's older 738s.

Quoted from the thread currently running on this:

Rumor it's a 3 way deal with WN,Boeing capital and Ryan Air.
Ryan air is picking new 800 deliveries slots that WN deferred.
This is part of Ryan Air's new A/C order???
WN is Rumored to be picking up 75 old non ETOPS Ryan Air 800's from Boeing capital over the next 4 years.
Something like 5 in 2013, 42 in 2014, 15 in 2015 and 13 in 2016.
First 35 will be used to replace 717's and the other 12 will be used for DAL growth in 4Q 2014.
The last 28 will replace the last 500's and some 300's.

WN currently has 37 738s on order (theirs seat 175). They currently have 569 737s in service!


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 62, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 13182 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 61):
They currently have 569 737s in service!

Wow! I knew WN were big but I had no idea they were that big. It would surprise me if WN were involved in the new FR order. They did teach MoL alot of what he knows. That said, having flown WN and found it quite hard to understand how they are considered a LCC while UA are considered a full service carrier, it is clear MoL has taken things a bit further than what he got taught at WN.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 63, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13077 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 61):
They currently have 569 737s in service!

Yes they are an amazing set up . I used to fly them from my local airport BUR in the early part of the 90's . They really have come a long way.

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 60):
Cork's terminal is actually open 24 hours a day, not sure if that's changed. I've never heard of flights having a curfew either but might be wrong.

I never heard of such either. Hope its not changed.


User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 64, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13044 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 62):
it is clear MoL has taken things a bit further than what he got taught at WN

FR is making much more profit than WN, thats all that count  
Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 60):
Cork's terminal is actually open 24 hours a day, not sure if that's changed. I've never heard of flights having a curfew either but might be wrong.

Good to know.

I am actually surprised about the very short runway. Can they make ACE etc from ORK without penalties?
This because my hometown GRQ needed to extend their runway from 1800 to 2500 mtr to cater for nonstop flights to destinations like ACE and TFS.



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User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 65, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13005 times:
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Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 62):
I knew WN were big but I had no idea they were that big..................................They did teach MoL alot of what he knows................ it is clear MoL has taken things a bit further than what he got taught at WN.

The only parts of the WN business model that FT took onboard were single aircraft type and rapid turnarounds.


User currently offlinePenPusher From Ireland, joined Oct 2000, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12855 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 65):
single aircraft type and rapid turnarounds.

And nearly everything else I reckon was copied from the way Walmart treats its staff and suppliers.....


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 67, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12678 times:

Apparently, the plans for the 757s have been confirmed to EI staff in a briefing by CM this week.

Aer Lingus will be acquiring three 757s this Winter for SNN-BOS/JFK, while the 757s will also be used for YYZ next Summer, in competition with AC and TS.

There are also reports of a west coast service, but I'm not sure whether this has been confirmed by CM; it's been described as "expected".

On a historical note, the 757s will be the first PW powered aircraft operated by EI since the retirement of the 747s in 1995.


User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2296 posts, RR: 19
Reply 68, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12620 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 67):
On a historical note, the 757s will be the first PW powered aircraft operated by EI since the retirement of the 747s in 1995.

Where will these 757s be coming from?



ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12635 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 67):

So two of the 757s will be based at SNN as expected, fantastic! Looking forward to the official announcement with details of schedules, seat configurations etc. Can't wait to see the EI livery on the 757s - will be interesting with the winglets!



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User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6319 posts, RR: 14
Reply 70, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12622 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 67):
Aer Lingus will be acquiring three 757s this Winter for SNN-BOS/JFK, while the 757s will also be used for YYZ next Summer, in competition with AC and TS.

I wonder if this will be the start of code sharing with Air Canada, the interline agreement announced last year was said to be a preliminary step toward a full code sharing partnership. Makes sense to tie it into an Aer Lingus service to YYZ.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 71, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12622 times:

Id expect to see SNN-BOS/JFK B757 loaded into the CRS systems and EI.COM around Mid May to June.

User currently onlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12632 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 68):
Where will these 757s be coming from?

Finnair, to be owned/operated by Air Contractors but cabin crewed by EI seems to be the most likely suggestion.


User currently offlineEireRock From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 301 posts, RR: 4
Reply 73, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12576 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 67):
On a historical note, the 757s will be the first PW powered aircraft operated by EI since the retirement of the 747s in 1995.

Might have to catch you on a technicality there Kaitak....those 767's that EI operated for a short while were PW4000 powered if im correct. Although not sure if that was before or after 1995.


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 74, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12555 times:
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Quoting EireRock (Reply 73):
Might have to catch you on a technicality there Kaitak....those 767's that EI operated for a short while were PW4000 powered if im correct. Although not sure if that was before or after 1995.

B767's were operated briefly in '90 or '91 I believe. The plan was to start West Coast ops but the Gulf War killed off that idea.


User currently offlineEireRock From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 301 posts, RR: 4
Reply 75, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12528 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 74):
B767's were operated briefly in '90 or '91 I believe. The plan was to start West Coast ops but the Gulf War killed off that idea.

So you are indeed correct Kaitak, forgive my input!!

Thanks for clearing that up EagleBoy!


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 174 posts, RR: 2
Reply 76, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12538 times:

I don't think that EI will operate JFK and BOS daily from early Jan to mid March. Yes a smaller aircraft helps but that time of year is still weak and EI will not make a profit. Would expect 1 B757 to operate both JFK and BOS 3 and 4 weekly then the usual daily service to both outside of that period.

What are the chances of AC and EI doing a codeshare on each carriers direct service to YYZ, it may open up connections out of YYZ for EI if they did.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 77, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12570 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 74):
B767's were operated briefly in '90 or '91 I believe. The plan was to start West Coast ops but the Gulf War killed off that idea.

That indeed was a shame. When you look over the years EI have had lots of things that have set them back outside of their control. Foot and mouth was another one and equally as damaging.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 78, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12532 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 74):
The plan was to start West Coast ops but the Gulf War killed off that idea.

I think it was something even more dangerous than the Gulf War ... Maire Geoghegan-Quinn, the minister at the time, rejected plans submitted by EI to operate nonstop from DUB to LAX (despite all the economic arguments for this); she was also the minister who killed her predecessor (Seamus Brennan)'s plan to relax the stopover; SB went on to minister again in the early part of this decade, though it was MGQ's successor as Minister for Transport, Brian Cowen, who was the one who authorised the 50/50 arrangement that we had for many years until Open Skies. Basically, the Executive Chairman of EI at the time, the late Bernie Cahill, convinced Cowen that with the 747s being so old, they could not justify replacing them unless there was a change in the regulations.

By then, however, the 763s were leased out; one went to Aeromexico and the other, to TWA. One of them spent a long, long time parked in the open at DUB, though it was later used for DUB-SNN-BOS services.


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 79, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12524 times:
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Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 76):
I don't think that EI will operate JFK and BOS daily from early Jan to mid March. Yes a smaller aircraft helps but that time of year is still weak and EI will not make a profit. Would expect 1 B757 to operate both JFK and BOS 3 and 4 weekly then the usual daily service to both outside of that period.

Makes sense.....I would see the double daily B757 ops to be Summer only. Indeed the 3/4 split with a B757 may well allow EI to keep SNN year round. We could possibly see a B757 operating in Winter from Dublin on a lower yielding route.

A 3/3/4 B757/A332/A333 mix could actually allow EI to tailor their fleet/network set-up very well over the entire year to suit the varying demand in their network. (Assuming capacity of 12/170, 24/250, 24/300 respectively)


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 80, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12489 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 67):
Apparently, the plans for the 757s have been confirmed to EI staff in a briefing by CM this week.

Fantastic news! This is without doubt the biggest shake up in EI long haul strategy since they acquired the A330s.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 69):
So two of the 757s will be based at SNN as expected, fantastic! Looking forward to the official announcement with details of schedules, seat configurations etc. Can't wait to see the EI livery on the 757s - will be interesting with the winglets!

It will certainly be a huge boost for the new independent SNN to have an improved schedule on the TA flights and a return to year round services. How long though before we get some local idiot politician who tries to gain himself publicity by passing this off as EI downgrading of SNN services using some misinformation he overheard in some pub on a Saturday night.

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 79):
Makes sense.....I would see the double daily B757 ops to be Summer only. Indeed the 3/4 split with a B757 may well allow EI to keep SNN year round. We could possibly see a B757 operating in Winter from Dublin on a lower yielding route.

Perhaps one of the B757s could be used to operate ski routes from SNN during the winter? I do agree that it is hard to imagine being able to make much profit operating double daily to the US from SNN during the winter even with the smaller aircraft.



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 81, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12307 times:

EI-DEO was transferred to SNN yesterday (22/3) to be repainted in "Little Red" colours, to start its new life flying domestically from LHR.

Which one?

DEO.

He said 'DEO.

(Daylight come and me want to go home"!)

Sorry, couldn't resist!


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7080 posts, RR: 57
Reply 82, posted (1 year 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 12055 times:

Great article in the Irish Times on Etihad crew training

http://www.irishtimes.com/sky-high-service-1.1335217?page=1

Aubrey Tiedt, Etihad Airways vice president for guest services is originally from Dundrum.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 83, posted (1 year 4 months 15 hours ago) and read 11868 times:

Weather still effecting flights due to the bad weather.

Liverpool Ryanair FR443 22 Mar 20:40 Delayed 02:30
( Bet they wont be playing the trumpet on that one )  

Milan-BGY Ryanair FR942 24 Mar 13:35 Cancelled

Toulouse Germania ST7778 24 Mar 14:50 Cancelled

London-STN Ryanair FR227 24 Mar 21:40 Delayed 23:15

Glasgow Aer Lingus EI3229 24 Mar 22:05 Delayed 00:05

http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/flight-information/live-arrivals.aspx


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4626 posts, RR: 23
Reply 84, posted (1 year 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 11868 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 82):
Great article in the Irish Times on Etihad crew training

Especially the salary of €40,000 annually tax free!



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 85, posted (1 year 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 11816 times:

Guys,

I know there is a whole story about EI being forced to operate via or from SNN. But now with open skies the goverment can not force airlines to fly into SNN can they?

So why are airlines still operating trans-atlantic to a city of just 10.000 citizens, or even to a County of 120.000 citizens? And Dublin is just over 200 km away.

Sorry for the question, I am sure there is a good answer for it.  



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User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 86, posted (1 year 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 11786 times:
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Nice article about EY. Seems very positive, more like a recruitment advert.

I like this quote "So how can an airline that doesn’t cut corners make money in our low-fare world? “ We are very efficient,” Tiedt says. “We might have 12 crew on-board when other airlines will have 14."

EI must be even more efficient,they only have 8 crew on an A330. Maybe they are talking about their B777 crew levels?


Quoting KL911 (Reply 85):
.....But now with open skies the goverment can not force airlines to fly into SNN can they?
So why are airlines still operating trans-atlantic to a city of just 10.000 citizens, or even to a County of 120.000 citizens......
Sorry for the question, I am sure there is a good answer for it.

I assume that they are flying into the whole South West catchment area rather than just SNN, Limerick or Co.Clare. US tourists are quite attracted to the Kerry, Clare, Galway region for its activities.

EDIT: No subsidies are given, part from any normal new route discounts that are available to any airline new to SNN. And the govt doesn't force airline to operate into SNN. Obviously there is a market there. But as we can see from the EI operation,it is not vibrant. They suspend winter ops and the US carriers use smaller B757's.

[Edited 2013-03-24 12:23:54]

User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 87, posted (1 year 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 11765 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 86):
I assume that they are flying into the whole South West catchment area rather than just SNN, Limerick or Co.Clare. US tourists are quite attracted to the Kerry, Clare, Galway region for its activities.

Ok, I get the tourism part, but can a transatlantic route be viable with just low yield tourists and O&D ? Is there subsidy for those routes?



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User currently onlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 11752 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 87):
Ok, I get the tourism part, but can a transatlantic route be viable with just low yield tourists and O&D ? Is there subsidy for those routes?

No.

High emigration + some business still in the Free Zone + misty eyed Irish Americans to whom Shannon has always been seen as the gateway to Ireland ensures there's enough demand for the flights there are. Returning emigrants aren't low yield, generally, for starters.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 89, posted (1 year 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 11730 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 86):
Nice article about EY. Seems very positive, more like a recruitment advert.

From friends working in EY both FA's and Pilots they do seem to be the better of the Gulf carriers in terms of treatment. It does have its bad points but so do alot of carriers.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 87):
Ok, I get the tourism part, but can a transatlantic route be viable with just low yield tourists and O&D ? Is there subsidy for those routes?

SNN still has demand for TATL but its getting the right sustainable balance. It will never be the amount that it was when carriers were forced to land there before going to DUB but there is a demand which the B757s will enable Aer Lingus to strike that balance.


User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 90, posted (1 year 4 months 12 hours ago) and read 11671 times:

Quoting EIDL (Reply 88):
No.High emigration + some business still in the Free Zone + misty eyed Irish Americans to whom Shannon has always been seen as the gateway to Ireland ensures there's enough demand for the flights there are. Returning emigrants aren't low yield, generally, for starters.
Quoting OA260 (Reply 89):
SNN still has demand for TATL but its getting the right sustainable balance. It will never be the amount that it was when carriers were forced to land there before going to DUB but there is a demand which the B757s will enable Aer Lingus to strike that balance.

Thanks guys, Im getting it, kind off .  



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7080 posts, RR: 57
Reply 91, posted (1 year 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 11473 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 86):
EDIT: No subsidies are given, part from any normal new route discounts that are available to any airline new to SNN

Considering the huge losses the airport makes - nobody is paying a sustainable rate.

In summer SNN has more US frequencies than larger cities, such as Barcelona.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 92, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11269 times:

Some more recruitment opportunities from EY :

Etihad offering 50 jobs

ETIHAD Airways is to recruit at least 50 cabin crew, food and beverage managers and in-flight chefs in Dublin this week. The airline will hold an open day for prospective food and beverage managers and onboard chefs in the Burlington Hotel tomorrow, while on Wednesday it will interview those hoping to join its cabin crew.

Cabin crew candidates must apply online at ccrecruitment@etihad.ae in advance and will be called for an interview.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...standoff-man-charged-29151262.html ( Scroll down page after main topic )

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Dublin Airport picks up a gong for its use of social media

Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) picked up the Communications Award at the 2013 Irish Logistics and Transport Awards this week.

The award recognises the best use of communications in the Irish logistics and transport sectors during 2012.

Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) picked up the Communications Award at the 2013 Irish Logistics and Transport Awards this week.

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/new-m...m/31991-dublin-airport-picks-up-a/

Nice to see DUB get this award. I find their social media channels very good and up to date.


User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6319 posts, RR: 14
Reply 93, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11274 times:

It has been 45 years since the tragedy at Tuskar Rock where Aer Lingus flight 712 from Cork to Heathrow crashed into the sea.

RTE just tweeted a video of an original broadcast the day after the crash.

http://www.rte.ie/archives/2013/0325...3-45-years-since-aer-lingus-crash/

Sadly the cause of the crash still remains a mystery, most agree that structural failure caused by fatigue but at this stage it is unlikely we'll never know. The book Tragedy at Tuskar by Mike Reynolds is a very interesting read, he was involved in the 2000 report from a possible bird strike to the conspiracy theories which plagued the earlier investigations.


User currently onlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1461 posts, RR: 3
Reply 94, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11216 times:

Tuskar Rock seems more recent than 45 years, perhaps due to the conspiracy theories keeping it in the media. Nice to see the old footage.

Better news of a difficulty at sea today in that a yachtsman has been airlifted to safety, after his boat got into difficulty off the coast of East Cork overnight.The British man was flown to Waterford airport by the Coast Guard helicopter and the boat is being towed in.


User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 95, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11102 times:

Just under a week to go before EI launch AGP and FAO from BHD with PMI starting soon after.

FAO daily and AGP six weekly, I do hope they are selling enough seats with PMI having a more sensible twice weekly frequency to start with. I would have expected FAO and AGP to start with maybe 3 or 4 weekly. Enough of my ramblings;

Any update on what sort of load factors they have achieved so far?



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User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 174 posts, RR: 2
Reply 96, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11023 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 95):

Why would they not have AGP and FAO at daily and 6 weekly, there has being no capacity change to these destionations apart from a Belfast Airport. Jet 2 only took ACE and TFS while EZY have one nothing. LF wise I understand LGW may be struggling and if the factors are good fares are very low. LHR is doing good.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 97, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10974 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 95):
Just under a week to go before EI launch AGP and FAO from BHD with PMI starting soon after.

PMI should do well. Falcon are buying seats off EI . They certainly need the travel trade behind them to help put bums on seats so this should work out well for them .


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10878 times:

Nice to see SNN rolling out (pun intended) some advertising of its long haul services around Limerick:

http://i47.tinypic.com/69exr9.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/jzya81.jpg



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 99, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10791 times:

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 94):
Tuskar Rock seems more recent than 45 years, perhaps due to the conspiracy theories keeping it in the media. Nice to see the old footage.

Coincidentally enough, I was reading a book my a gentleman called Mike Reynolds (a sea captain) about the investigation carried out by a French company, Exp'air, in 2000-01. Very interesting read. It seems that the aircraft had actually been circling around and struggling for some time at low altitude around the south-east coast; some 40+ witnesses saw this, but it wasn't reported in the initial inquiry. I had always understood that it was a very sudden loss of control.


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4158 posts, RR: 13
Reply 100, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10686 times:

As we speculated, Pier B at DUB getting a well needed update

http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-...C1M_To_Improve_Boarding_Gates.aspx

I suspect user airlines have been pushing hard for this to bring it into line with T2.

At some point, all of T1 will need to be renovated.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 101, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10652 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 100):
As we speculated, Pier B at DUB getting a well needed update

http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-...C1M_To_Improve_Boarding_Gates.aspx

I suspect user airlines have been pushing hard for this to bring it into line with T2.

At some point, all of T1 will need to be renovated.

Its great that it will be completed before the Summer season. Certainly needed it. Also needs AC for heating in Winter and cool air in Summer ( when we get one )  

Other than that its still a nice design and Im glad they are keeping it. The arrivals in T1 really needs to be gutted out and re done. It looks very cold and tired.


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4158 posts, RR: 13
Reply 102, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10709 times:

They need lighter floors both in arrivals and up at check in. Simple thing, but it would sort the place right out.

There seems to be a gradual programme of improvements across T1 and the airfield though, so you'd hope they'll get round to it sooner or later.

Taxiway 4 is currently being replaced, and the Apron road which runs around each of the piers is being resurfaced and repaired at the moment as well.



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User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6319 posts, RR: 14
Reply 103, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10690 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 95):
Just under a week to go before EI launch AGP and FAO from BHD with PMI starting soon after.

FAO started a little early with a service on Saturday before the schedule launches properly this weekend.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 99):
It seems that the aircraft had actually been circling around and struggling for some time at low altitude around the south-east coast; some 40+ witnesses saw this, but it wasn't reported in the initial inquiry. I had always understood that it was a very sudden loss of control.

The theory of a bird strike is also covered in that book, a lot of it focuses on migrating geese patterns possibly crossing the path of Flight 712 and causing the initial upset. If it's true that the aircraft managed to stay in the air for so long after the spin, and the eye witness accounts back this up, then the pilots did an incredible job keeping that amount of control. Unfortunately the conspiracy theorists got hold of this and claim the pilot went on a sight seeing trip by flying low for American passengers. I find that as hard to believe as the missile story!


User currently offlinestyles9002 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 104, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10341 times:

Quoting EIDL (Reply 88):
misty eyed Irish Americans

An unfortunate choice of words and one which I think is nearly completely inaccurate.

It amazes me how some Irish people treat the Diaspora with contempt and this type of comment only adds to it.



It is what it is.
User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 105, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10338 times:
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Quoting BestWestern (Reply 91):
Considering the huge losses the airport makes - nobody is paying a sustainable rate.

I would suspect that the losses at SNN are more to do with the underuse of the facility in general than anything to do with than carriers operating transatlantic services and not paying their way. I can imagine that UA (for the SNN-EWR route), EI amd TS are all paying full fees as set by the DAA from when they owned SNN for using it given the length that those services have been available for.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 92):
In summer SNN has more US frequencies than larger cities, such as Barcelona.

That is a poor reflection on those cites for not being able to attract carriers not a poor reflection on SNN for managing to achieve what they can't.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 98):
Nice to see SNN rolling out (pun intended) some advertising of its long haul services around Limerick:

Yes, the SNN marketing staff have pulled the finger out in a big way over the past 18 months or co. Clearly they have teamed up with the airlines for this one seeing as the airline brand takes prominence over the SNN brand. I am thus far impressed with the new SAA but the real test will not be this summer but the next three to four to see how many of these new services will remain longer term, to see if passenger numbers meet target and most importantly, if those huge losses can be turned to a profit.



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User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 106, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10336 times:

Quoting Reply 104):
Quoting EIDL (Reply 88):
misty eyed Irish Americans

An unfortunate choice of words and one which I think is nearly completely inaccurate.

It amazes me how some Irish people treat the Diaspora with contempt and this type of comment only adds to it.

Steady on! Not sure this sypnosis is at all real or fair!



My views are my own and do not reflect any other person or organisation.
User currently onlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1461 posts, RR: 3
Reply 107, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 10203 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 99):
Very interesting read. It seems that the aircraft had actually been circling around and struggling for some time at low altitude around the south-east coast; some 40+ witnesses saw this, but it wasn't reported in the initial inquiry.

While the second enquiry does give a lot of credit to a theory that the aircraft engaged in peculiar movements for a long period, the witness reports are dubious to say the least as to time (may have been search aircraft seen later being reported?), and to positive identification. IIRC, it was far fewer than 40 witnesses. Neither does it explain why the aircraft made no apparent radio calls during that time that anyone heard, nor how such behavior accords with the last radio message from the aircraft, or the likely position at that stage of the flight.


User currently offlineIRISH251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 964 posts, RR: 4
Reply 108, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 10120 times:

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 107):
Quoting kaitak (Reply 99):Very interesting read. It seems that the aircraft had actually been circling around and struggling for some time at low altitude around the south-east coast; some 40+ witnesses saw this, but it wasn't reported in the initial inquiry.
While the second enquiry does give a lot of credit to a theory that the aircraft engaged in peculiar movements for a long period, the witness reports are dubious to say the least as to time (may have been search aircraft seen later being reported?), and to positive identification. IIRC, it was far fewer than 40 witnesses. Neither does it explain why the aircraft made no apparent radio calls during that time that anyone heard, nor how such behavior accords with the last radio message from the aircraft, or the likely position at that stage of the flight.

I must say I agree with dstc47. How a large transport aircraft could have been successfully recovered from a high-speed uncontrolled descent at all, probably already with damage to the airframe, and then flown for an extended period with no communication with ATC or other aircraft, has never been explained by proponents of this theory. It is also highly questionable to give weight to witness statements made many years after the event; eyewitness evidence even immediately after something happens has been found often to be demonstrably incorrect. The truth of this event will never be known, as there is no material or other evidence available that could enable a firm conclusion to be reached. However I am inclined to the more prosaic explanation that the aircraft suffered a structural failure or other control upset in flight and spun into the sea. It may have shed parts on the way down, as has often happened in these cases. If the original accident report had not hypothesised about another aircraft in the vicinity (in the quiet skies of a 1960s Sunday morning!) the various conspiracy theories about this crash might never have taken hold.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4626 posts, RR: 23
Reply 109, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9954 times:

Meanwhile, it seems pre-order meals are not available on Aer Lingus flights to the Canary Islands.

Gutted! Looks like I'll be pre-eating in the lounge.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4158 posts, RR: 13
Reply 110, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9915 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 109):


LOL....seems a bit daft given they are the longest short haul sectors. Probably saving the galley space for duty free fags!



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 111, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9909 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 109):
Gutted! Looks like I'll be pre-eating in the lounge.

Well you can always pre dine at the Chocolate lounge  
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 110):
LOL....seems a bit daft given they are the longest short haul sectors. Probably saving the galley space for duty free fags!

More like the booze! I have had the pleasure or should I say experience of those charter type routes in EI some years ago and lets just say its more like an Irish bar at 35,000FT !    


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4626 posts, RR: 23
Reply 112, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9840 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 110):
LOL....seems a bit daft given they are the longest short haul sectors. Probably saving the galley space for duty free fags!

Haha - I thought so too - looks like it'll be 4.5 hours of looking out the window hoping the flight will end!

Don't even get me started on the 150 Gold Circle points either. I switched my earning to my BA card earlier today.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 111):
Well you can always pre dine at the Chocolate lounge

This is very true... and get rolled off the aircraft at the other end!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 111):
More like the booze! I have had the pleasure or should I say experience of those charter type routes in EI some years ago and lets just say its more like an Irish bar at 35,000FT !

I'll make sure I report back on the drunken antics of my fellow passengers - as long as I am not one of them! The cone of silence will fall if so  



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 113, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9816 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 112):
Don't even get me started on the 150 Gold Circle points either. I switched my earning to my BA card earlier today.

And not to mention the amazing new perk for Elites of an extra 2KG of baggage allowance !    


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4626 posts, RR: 23
Reply 114, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9788 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 113):
And not to mention the amazing new perk for Elites of an extra 2KG of baggage allowance !

Oh, my heart is all a-flutter at that! lol...



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 115, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9737 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 112):
Quoting OA260 (Reply 111):Well you can always pre dine at the Chocolate lounge
This is very true... and get rolled off the aircraft at the other end!

I plan to test that theory next week; I'll be very scientific about it and report my findings!


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 174 posts, RR: 2
Reply 116, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9717 times:

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Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 105):
In summer SNN has more US frequencies than larger cities, such as Barcelona.

Are you sure about that as BCN has airlines covering 10 cities and North American and Canada + they have larger aircraft than SNN which will be all B757 except for TS service to
User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6319 posts, RR: 14
Reply 117, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9589 times:

Aer Lingus CEO appointed chair of An Post

Quote:
Aer Lingus chief executive Christoph Mueller has been appointed the new chairman of An Post.
Announcing the decision this afternoon, Minister for Communications Pat Rabbitte said the appointment comes at a critical time for the future of An Post.

%u201CAn Post has a great brand and an important nation-wide network. It provides very important services to communities throughout Ireland. However, in the internet era, the company also faces significant challenges.%u201D

He said the company would benefit from the strategic leadership approach that Christoph Mueller has brought to Aer Lingus.

Christoph Mueller will remain CEO of Aer Lingus. Busy man!

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/e..._source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Shamrock350


User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 118, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9540 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 109):
Meanwhile, it seems pre-order meals are not available on Aer Lingus flights to the Canary Islands.

Gutted! Looks like I'll be pre-eating in the lounge.

  Dont worry, I fly to Lanzarote 2x a year on Ryanair, often 4 hour flights and indeed my next one is from Cork. But in my experience its fine if you eat at home, and then again at the destination. 4 hours isnt that long with a good book.  

Plus dont forget you can buy sandwiches and hot snacks with BoB. ( dont know if EI has hot food in their bob menu, but FR certainly has)



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlinedergay From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 119, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9405 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 118):

Dont worry, I fly to Lanzarote 2x a year on Ryanair, often 4 hour flights and indeed my next one is from Cork. But in my experience its fine if you eat at home, and then again at the destination.

Bring the ham sangers, and buy a bag of Tayto and a bottle of pop in Boots!      



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User currently offlineaidansnn From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 29 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9354 times:

Note sure why this is being made into an issue, wasn't it always the case?


Later Heathrow flight will disrupt business: O’Dea

BUSINESS is facing disruption, it was claimed this week, after Aer Lingus confirmed a change to its Shannon-Heathrow service for the summer season.

From March 31, the morning flight will depart at 8.45am, in a move which has been strongly criticised. The daily flight currently leaves Shannon at 7.30am, arriving at 9am. As a result of the change, passengers will not land in London until 10.15am.

Fianna Fáil’s Deputy Willie O’Dea has criticised the move and believes it will have an adverse affect on business.

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/bu...l-disrupt-business-o-dea-1-4925125

On an unrelated note, I took the opportunity to sample the Aer Lingus seared beef last week on a flight from LHR. Was nice, but not amazing. Pre-ordered so I was served before other pax but to be honest it felt a bit weird being the only one served. Would try again, but only on a longer sector.


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 121, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9272 times:
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Quoting aidansnn (Reply 120):
Note sure why this is being made into an issue, wasn't it always the case?

Fianna Fáil’s Deputy Willie O’Dea has criticised the move and believes it will have an adverse affect on business.

Willies was always the man to spot a good bandwagon to jump onto to.......


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 122, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9180 times:

Quoting aidansnn (Reply 120):
Note sure why this is being made into an issue, wasn't it always the case?

Well I guess some might think that it needs to be earlier in the Summer to make onward connections especially on the BA network where alot of flights leave early. 0900 is a good time to land to get the 1030am-1130am flights. The later arrival would make only connections from midday onwards. It also makes a difference to business professionals for earlier meetings in the city.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 123, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8950 times:

Ryanair hopeful for new Shannon Airport deal:

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/bu...new-shannon-airport-deal-1-4933475



Shannon-Chicago
User currently onlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3915 posts, RR: 9
Reply 124, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8915 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 123):

Hopefully these will prove to be sustainable services that will help to support the future of SNN and not undermine it.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 125, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8873 times:

FR staff to get 10% pay rise. Not many getting that kind of a raise these days .

Ryanair Agrees to 10% Cabin Crew Pay Increase Over Four Years

Ryanair Holdings Plc (RYA), Europe’s biggest discount carrier, agreed to boost the average salary of its cabin crew and some pilots, replacing pay deals due to expire next month.

Flight attendants will get an average 10 percent increase over four years and a guaranteed “home every night” roster, Dublin-based Ryanair said in a statement today.

Under a separate agreement, Ryanair pilots based in Alicante, Spain, Cork and Shannon in Ireland and working out of Bristol, Luton and East Midlands airports in the U.K. will get pay increases of as much as 10 percent over the next five years.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...-pay-increase-over-four-years.html


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 126, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8812 times:
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 125):
FR staff to get 10% pay rise. Not many getting that kind of a raise these days....

.........Flight attendants will get an average 10 percent increase over four years and a guaranteed “home every night” roster, Dublin-based Ryanair said in a statement today.

Good to see them getting that. God knows they deserve it. As for the 'home every night roster'.....haven't they always had that? Even if their 'Home Base' isn't their home.

So 4x 2.5% yearly increases. Seems pretty similar to the increase that EI is currently withholding from their own staff due to the unresolved pension issue.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4626 posts, RR: 23
Reply 127, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8377 times:

Not sure if you guys know, but I am Australian and have been living in Ireland since 2005.

I received my citizenship on 11 March - so now I'm Irish too!

The reason I am writing this here is that I am off to Gran Canaria today. When sending off for my Irish Passport, as a new citizen I had to send my Australian Passport with it as proof of ID. As such, no Passport and no way to travel.

Happily, my new Irish Passport and my Aussie Passport arrived in the mail this morning - so off to Gran Canaria with Aer Lingus this afternoon I do! It was cut very fine, but happily it all worked out in the end.

DUB-LPA on EI, then coming back LPA-MAD on IB, MAD-LHR-DUB on BA. Good times!



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8361 times:

"Shannon may now be on the radar for Middle East-based carriers such as Turkish Airlines and Qatar" - aviation analyst.

http://www.routes-news.com/news/1215...non-s-route-expansion-gathers-pace



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 129, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8342 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 127):
Not sure if you guys know, but I am Australian and have been living in Ireland since 2005.

I received my citizenship on 11 March - so now I'm Irish too!

Conrats to you. I am entitled to one also but the EUR1000 fee puts me off   Especially as a UK passport is just as handy. Of course for NZ/OZ citizens it makes more sense especially if you live in the EU .

Have a good flight.  

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Lack of air links damaging for Cork – EMC chief

"Cork Airport has no direct flight to Dublin, the train is still a bit slow, and then Shannon has its own issues – so that is a huge challenge for us.

"Then again, if we can create the critical mass here, then it will become an economic decision to run flights from Cork," he added.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...g-for-cork-emc-chief-29159860.html

Well firstly I dont know what train he is taking because the train is far from slow. Secondly he can certainly create a critical mass and maybe they should give EI or whoever they are thinking of a non refundable deposit if he is so confident that yields would be good and a link would be profitable.


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 130, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8232 times:
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Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 128):
"Shannon may now be on the radar for Middle East-based carriers such as Turkish Airlines and Qatar" - aviation analyst.

I'm not so sure about TK or QR but there are smaller airports than SNN that are served by EK and given that the DUB-AUH and DUB-DXB routes by enlarge used by Irish emmigrants or family members visiting Irish emmigrants from all over the country, it is certainly not as absurd as it might initially appear that middle eastern carriers are at least considering the possibility of operating to SNN.



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User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8201 times:

Had a very cattle truck experience last night with a certain airline culminating in the aircraft pushing back, engines starting and flaps set all the while half a dozen people had yet to be seated and cabin crew were frantically trying to find space for those people's bags. I thought we were about to taxi with people moving about the cabin. Is what happened even allowed?

[Edited 2013-03-28 07:25:24]

User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 132, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8178 times:
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Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 131):
Had a very cattle truck experience last night ..........I thought we were about to taxi with people moving about the cabin. Is what happened even allowed?

Not at all. All pax must be seated, O/H lockers closed and aircraft commander informed of this before the aircraft can commence its pushback.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 133, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8178 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 128):
"Shannon may now be on the radar for Middle East-based carriers such as Turkish Airlines and Qatar" - aviation analyst.

''Shannon may now be on the radar for Middle East-based carriers such as Turkish Airlines and Qatar, said an aviation analyst familiar with the market.''

Well if the analyst actually quoted TK as being a Middle Eastern carrier then they are not that good at their job! Or maybe it was another case of bad journalism  
Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 131):
I thought we were about to taxi with people moving about the cabin. Is what happened even allowed?

No not allowed but I have often seen it. Numerous airlines including those you wouldnt expect it on. Wont name them.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 134, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8150 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 133):
I thought we were about to taxi with people moving about the cabin. Is what happened even allowed?

No not allowed but I have often seen it. Numerous airlines including those you wouldnt expect it on. Wont name them.

Disgraceful on so many levels - not just the flagrant abuse of the rules (I can't think of any regulatory authority which would permit this); it also shows poor co-ordination between cabin and flight crew.

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Anyone see an Air Corps Pilatus over the city centre at about 12.30? Didn't know acft were allowed to fly over the city centre (or does the exclusion zone apply to military aircraft?)

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Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 127):
Not sure if you guys know, but I am Australian and have been living in Ireland since 2005.

I received my citizenship on 11 March - so now I'm Irish too!

Congratulations! At least we have one new Irish person to redress the balance (though I think it's slightly in favour of people moving in the opposite way!)

Quoting OA260 (Reply 133):
''Shannon may now be on the radar for Middle East-based carriers such as Turkish Airlines and Qatar, said an aviation analyst familiar with the market.''

Well if the analyst actually quoted TK as being a Middle Eastern carrier then they are not that good at their job! Or maybe it was another case of bad journalism

I know it's strictly speaking a European carrier, but Turkey kind of straddles the two - and in terms of growth rates, it's far closer to the M/E carriers than to most European ones. It would be terrific if they decided to start a SNN route. I wonder if they would do it as a dedicated service, i.e. with a 319, or would they stop at SNN en route to another destination, e.g. HAV or MEX? They have a long shopping list of destinations and given the number of destinations they serve (over 200!), it would be a huge boost, not just for tourism, but also for exports.


User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8118 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 128):
"Shannon may now be on the radar for Middle East-based carriers such as Turkish Airlines and Qatar" - aviation analyst.

It would be a great coup if they got one of the ME carriers but i just don't think the catchment area is big enough.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 125):
FR staff to get 10% pay rise. Not many getting that kind of a raise these days .
Ryanair Agrees to 10% Cabin Crew Pay Increase Over Four Years

Isn't the bulk of their pay based on onboard sales anyway, so that's probably only 10% on an extremely low basic.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 129):
Lack of air links damaging for Cork – EMC chief

"Cork Airport has no direct flight to Dublin, the train is still a bit slow, and then Shannon has its own issues – so that is a huge challenge for us.

With a direct motorway flights just aren't viable anymore, and you also now have high frequency direct comfortable cheap Express coaches from Cork to DUB. I don't know why anyone would take the train if they were going up to Dublin Airport, unless they have a DSP pass.


Quoting kaitak (Reply 67):
On a historical note, the 757s will be the first PW powered aircraft operated by EI since the retirement of the 747s in 1995.

Well since you are including wet leased aircraft then the World Md11 was more recent than that, and don't forget that the Fk50's were P&W Canada.


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 174 posts, RR: 2
Reply 136, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8110 times:

No disrespect to SNN but we need to get real here SNN-Middle East flights - come on people....the future of SNN lies for Irish going to the sun, UK routes and a few European hubs + the T/A network. Lets say they do get a airline to operate to middle east then where will the passengers come from, people from the South, North and many areas of the West will still travel to DUB as its better transport links and in most cases just as quick as to get to as SNN. Then there is better prices ex DUB which young Irish people leaving will want.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 137, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8038 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 134):
I wonder if they would do it as a dedicated service, i.e. with a 319, or would they stop at SNN en route to another destination, e.g. HAV or MEX? They have a long shopping list of destinations and given the number of destinations they serve (over 200!), it would be a huge boost, not just for tourism, but also for exports.

The thing that is stopping TK growth in Ireland is the visa issues for Turkish nationals. This has been stated numerous times and more recently in an interview with the TK manager for Ireland. Its a shame that there cant be a special visa system where genuine affluent Turkish tourists can have access to Ireland without all the red tape. I believe EU rules are also a barrier to this kind of system apparantly.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8012 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 133):
No not allowed but I have often seen it. Numerous airlines including those you wouldnt expect it on. Wont name them

OK, I will then   on both of my BA flights last summer (my first with BA) the aircraft departed (as in pushed back from the gate) while passengers were still in the aisles getting settled and stowing bags. It obviously wouldn't majorly disrupt passengers' travel experience but it does have the potential to cause serious injury.

British Airways "World Traveller" To Chicago (by AmricanShamrok Nov 16 2012 in Trip Reports)
Flying Home With BA-"World Traveller" From Chicago (by AmricanShamrok Jan 4 2013 in Trip Reports)



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User currently offlinetolmachevo From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7877 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 137):
Its a shame that there cant be a special visa system where genuine affluent Turkish tourists can have access to Ireland without all the red tape. I believe EU rules are also a barrier to this kind of system apparantly.

This is more to do with the CTA then the EU, although currently Turkish citizens who hold a valid UK visa can visit Ireland visa-free for up to 90 days. They belong to the "Olympic" group of visa waiver countries.


User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 140, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7820 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 129):
Well firstly I dont know what train he is taking because the train is far from slow

He is my boss  , and what he means is that the train INCL transport from and to the airport is taking to long for our clients who travel to Cork via DUB from all over the world.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 141, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7783 times:

Quoting tolmachevo (Reply 139):
This is more to do with the CTA then the EU, although currently Turkish citizens who hold a valid UK visa can visit Ireland visa-free for up to 90 days. They belong to the "Olympic" group of visa waiver countries.

If someone flies IST-DUB and holds an Irish visa only why should it effect the CTA? Plenty of people hold Irish visas but cant travel to the UK.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 140):
He is my boss  , and what he means is that the train INCL transport from and to the airport is taking to long for our clients who travel to Cork via DUB from all over the world.

Well 4 flights a day DUB-LHR and connections to anywhere in the world. Also the Gobus takes around three hours and has free wifi and runs from 0230am until late. People need to understand whats involved in sustaining an air route . Times have changed.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7756 times:

EI109 (DUB-JFK) will preclear US Customs and Border Protection formalities at DUB from 3rd April:
http://www.aerlingus.com/travelinfor...n/usimmigration/?campid=fbietvlinf

EI137 (DUB-BOS), EI139 (DUB-BOS) and EI125 (DUB-ORD) will clear on arrival in the US.

Odd that no DUB-BOS flight will preclear now. It would be great if the CBP could get around their staffing issues and cater for all flights (at both DUB and SNN). Unlikely though following recent government "sequester" cutbacks in the US.

[Edited 2013-03-28 14:08:17]


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User currently offlineCarbHeatIn From Ireland, joined Jun 2004, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7705 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 125):
FR staff to get 10% pay rise. Not many getting that kind of a raise these days .

Ryanair Agrees to 10% Cabin Crew Pay Increase Over Four Years

Ryanair Holdings Plc (RYA), Europe’s biggest discount carrier, agreed to boost the average salary of its cabin crew and some pilots, replacing pay deals due to expire next month.

Flight attendants will get an average 10 percent increase over four years and a guaranteed “home every night” roster, Dublin-based Ryanair said in a statement today.

Under a separate agreement, Ryanair pilots based in Alicante, Spain, Cork and Shannon in Ireland and working out of Bristol, Luton and East Midlands airports in the U.K. will get pay increases of as much as 10 percent over the next five years.

Typical FR propaganda. The bases mentioned have 2-5 actual FR employee pilots. The vast majority are contractors, and are excluded from any 'positive' change of contract. The same accounts for the cabin crew.


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 144, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7698 times:
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Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 136):
No disrespect to SNN but we need to get real here SNN-Middle East flights - come on people....the future of SNN lies for Irish going to the sun, UK routes and a few European hubs + the T/A network. Lets say they do get a airline to operate to middle east then where will the passengers come from, people from the South, North and many areas of the West will still travel to DUB as its better transport links and in most cases just as quick as to get to as SNN. Then there is better prices ex DUB which young Irish people leaving will want.

I don't think anyone here is getting too carried away just yet. The target market for any ME flight to anywhere in Ireland is the huge Irish emmigrant population living mostly in Australia who come from all over Ireland and like the notion of the one stop flight home. As I said above, there are actually smaller airports than SNN currently served by EK. I remember reading a thread here on this very topic quite recently and I recall some airports had less than 1 m passengers per year.

As for prices, I'm not so sure that Dublin-Australia flights with EK or EY are much cheaper. For example, anytime I have checked recently, SNN-MEL (or vice versa) with SQ or CX with two stops connecting at LHR to SNN are generally pretty competative with DUB-MEL on either EK or EY. When I can out here, I got SNN-MEL one way for €690 with CX whereas the best either EK or EY could do was well in excess of €800. My mother and father are thinking of coming out here in September/October and have gotten a price from Abbey Travel of SNN-MEL with MH return for €1,700 for both of them.

[Edited 2013-03-28 14:38:16]


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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4158 posts, RR: 13
Reply 145, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7670 times:

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 144):
I don't think anyone here is getting too carried away just yet. The target market for any ME flight to anywhere in Ireland is the huge Irish emmigrant population living mostly in Australia who come from all over Ireland and like the notion of the one stop flight home. As I said above, there are actually smaller airports than SNN currently served by EK. I remember reading a thread here on this very topic quite recently and I recall some airports had less than 1 m passengers per year.

I personally believe there IS indeed a market to be served from an ME airline from the west and south. There will soon be 2 773 and one A332 flight a day leaving DUB for the ME.... that traffic is not all coming from the Dublin / East area. An airline with the right sized aircraft and the right connecting network may be pushing at an open door.



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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 146, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7593 times:
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Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 145):
I personally believe there IS indeed a market to be served from an ME airline from the west and south. There will soon be 2 773 and one A332 flight a day leaving DUB for the ME.... that traffic is not all coming from the Dublin / East area. An airline with the right sized aircraft and the right connecting network may be pushing at an open door.

Also, and this is not intended to spark and 'East vs Whest' argument but it is a fact that in times of economic hardship, the west half of the country generally gets affected worse by economic hardships and therefore by emmigration than the eastern half. Indeed the large numberes of people who left the west of Ireland for America over the decades is one of the big driving forces that keeps transatlantic services at SNN. Well this latest recession has not seen as many heading to the UK and USA but a hell of alot heading to Australia and New Zealand. It is therefore resonable that we are at least dicussing this and it wouldn't be the most surprising route announcement if it ever does happen.



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User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 147, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7563 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 142):
EI109 (DUB-JFK) will preclear US Customs and Border Protection formalities at DUB from 3rd April:
http://www.aerlingus.com/travelinfor...n/usimmigration/?campid=fbietvlinf

EI137 (DUB-BOS), EI139 (DUB-BOS) and EI125 (DUB-ORD) will clear on arrival in the US.

Odd that no DUB-BOS flight will preclear now. It would be great if the CBP could get around their staffing issues and cater for all flights (at both DUB and SNN). Unlikely though following recent government "sequester" cutbacks in the US.

That is bad news. So the DUB-BOS flights baggage will no longer be on belt 3(domestic). Back to the days of lining up to get thru immigration and customs. I kind of see why the 137 and 125 won't do it(even if they and the 109 are all within 45 mins of each other - maybe too busy!) But why not the 137??


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 174 posts, RR: 2
Reply 148, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7547 times:

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 147):

The 11.30 flight can't do it because there is not enough USPC gates, all in use at that time. The BOS and ORD in the afternoon must be down to not enough staff being provided for around 1,000 passengers within 1 Hour, I wonder if the 14.15 to JFK with DL will clear on the days it operates. Would expect it to if staff will be waiting around for the 15.30 EI to JFK.

With West Coast next summer one would wonder will that be clear as it will operate around 10 or 11 am. The simply fact is more gates need to be opened up to pre clear (if possible) and the DAA need to fund some staff wages if they are allowed so all flights can clear. This half assed shambles at the minute is ridiculous but hey its Ireland so would we expect better....

Both the DAA and Aer Lingus are passing the book saying its not their decision on what clears and its the US Gov, yes it is but there are ways around staffing costs etc.


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2870 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7506 times:

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 147):
That is bad news. So the DUB-BOS flights baggage will no longer be on belt 3(domestic). Back to the days of lining up to get thru immigration and customs. I kind of see why the 137 and 125 won't do it(even if they and the 109 are all within 45 mins of each other - maybe too busy!) But why not the 137??

You could always just take the EI135 from SNN - that flight will preclear as normal.

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 148):
there is not enough USPC gates

That's a bit astonishing when you think about it. When the US immigration was in T1 Pier B it could simultaneously handle up to eight US-bound flights and I believe there are just six designated preclearance gates now in T2. During the development of the terminal and projected growth patterns of long haul operations did they not take this into account?

2.5 years into the running of T2 and it appears as though another pier is needed to deal with capacity...and all the while T1 is sitting half empty!!!



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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4158 posts, RR: 13
Reply 150, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7508 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 149):
That's a bit astonishing when you think about it. When the US immigration was in T1 Pier B it could simultaneously handle up to eight US-bound flights and I believe there are just six designated preclearance gates now in T2. During the development of the terminal and projected growth patterns of long haul operations did they not take this into account?

2.5 years into the running of T2 and it appears as though another pier is needed to deal with capacity...and all the while T1 is sitting half empty!!!

Which would lead me to think the refurbishments at Pier B are being done so that more traffic can be shifted over from Pier E, thus giving more space there for TATL services.

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 148):
The 11.30 flight can't do it because there is not enough USPC gates, all in use at that time

It is possible for them to use more than the 6 gates downstairs at US CBP. Upstairs in the main area, it is possible to seal sections of the pier off, thus keeping them "sterile" for US CBP purposes, and these can be accessed by escalator from the lower floor. You may notice the large sliding glass partitions on either side of the Pier. The problem is, if you only need to use one gate for a US flight, you would lose perhaps 3 other gates for short haul flights.

The real solution here is to shift EK and possibly EY over to Pier B - some EI short haul already uses it.

The CBP facility itself can be expanded - they just need to extend it out onto part of the apron, and would probably not even lose a stand in having to do so. But, if the US wont staff it, then there's the problem.



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User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 174 posts, RR: 2
Reply 151, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7501 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 150):
It is possible for them to use more than the 6 gates downstairs at US CBP. Upstairs in the main area, it is possible to seal sections of the pier off, thus keeping them "sterile" for US CBP purposes, and these can be accessed by escalator from the lower floor. You may notice the large sliding glass partitions on either side of the Pier. The problem is, if you only need to use one gate for a US flight, you would lose perhaps 3 other gates for short haul flights.

Work at Pier D and only in T2 as a passenger most of the time, will be flying in the next 2 weeks so will look out for it. Now using extra gates needs to happen next summer. So if expanding closes off 3 gates then it has to happen take summer 2014 the new West Coast flight and the current 11.30 to BOS so that's 2 out of a possible 3 gates being used so this will have to happen in 2014 at least.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 150):
The real solution here is to shift EK and possibly EY over to Pier B - some EI short haul already uses it.

Doing up Pier B is good but is there a real need for these to move, yes the very large aircraft is an issue but EK doesn't arrive until 12.15 in summer and that's when most T/A are gone and not to many EI Short Hauls departing. EY are in and out before the large volume of T/A departures. EI will always have to use Pier B in morning and nights until another Pier is built at T2 which is a long time off. That's why I don't think that EK and EY moving will have any affects on current operations so is there a real need to move them in theory EK I expect will want a lounge so they may move for that reason in future.

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 150):
The CBP facility itself can be expanded - they just need to extend it out onto part of the apron, and would probably not even lose a stand in having to do so. But, if the US wont staff it, then there's the problem.

I see but did I read that their is a very large empty space down around there to and lets say if another 3 gates were used could the current facility cope of would extra room need to be made for that. I wouldn't think its a case of the US not staffing it but the cost involved. I think the DAA should be working with them to have it sorted out. If Air India came to town I'm sure there would not be a staffing problem.


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 152, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7556 times:
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Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 149):
With West Coast next summer one would wonder will that be clear as it will operate around 10 or 11 am. The simply fact is more gates need to be opened up to pre clear (if possible) and the DAA need to fund some staff wages if they are allowed so all flights can clear. This half assed shambles at the minute is ridiculous but hey its Ireland so would we expect better....

Although the reasons why are clear, it still beggers belief that a solution cannot be found. What is the point in the DAA and EI using the pre-clearance facility as a big selling point if not every flight is guaranteed to preclear? Could you imagine how annoyed someone who booked a flight say from the UK to USA via DUB on the expectation that the preclearance would make things alot more convenient only to discover that having made what probably was an avoidable stopover only to find themselves in a 1 hour long queue at BOS to clear emmigration? Surely as someone already pointed out the DAA, EI and US Authorities could come to some sort of agreement where staffing costs are shared amongst the three parties in order to allow all flights to preclear?



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User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4158 posts, RR: 13
Reply 153, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7552 times:

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 151):
I see but did I read that their is a very large empty space down around there to and lets say if another 3 gates were used could the current facility cope of would extra room need to be made for that. I wouldn't think its a case of the US not staffing it but the cost involved. I think the DAA should be working with them to have it sorted out. If Air India came to town I'm sure there would not be a staffing problem.

I was referring more to the area where the actual CBP desks are located - you coudl expand that and add further lanes if that is where the pinch point is, but if they wont staff it, then that's the issue rather than the physical size of the place.

I'd imagine staffing is expensive for the US authorities - they need to move their own nationals across from the states, which probably means they must pay the staff some expenses, plus a probable generous wage to make the move worthwhile. That said, if it's a matter of adding 1 euro to each ticket sold to pay that cost, then I could not really see that being a problem!

Clealy BOS has been chosen for no pre-clear due to the lack of competition on the route, and probably also to lower numbers of connections from Europe travelling to BOS? You'd imagine BOS would be more of an O&D route?



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User currently onlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1461 posts, RR: 3
Reply 154, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7427 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 133):
Anyone see an Air Corps Pilatus over the city centre at about 12.30? Didn't know acft were allowed to fly over the city centre (or does the exclusion zone apply to military aircraft?)

Preparing for the Easter Parade flypast - it made multiple passes, in previous years we had the usual four ship rehersal.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 155, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7393 times:

Good news for the Aran Islands service :

Aran Islands air service gets €1.8m lifeline

The Government has thrown the three Aran Islands a lifeline by deciding to continue to subsidise air services there.

The move follows a vocal campaign by the islanders from Inis Mor, Inis Meain and Inis Oirr who have been campaigning over the past number of months for the retention of the air service.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...ce-gets-18m-lifeline-29159897.html

---

Check in the night before with Aer Lingus Terminal 2 :

If your flight departs Dublin Airport between 06:00-08:00 in the morning, you can now check-in at the airport between 16:00-20:00 the evening before.

This new service is available for both Aer Lingus and Aer Lingus Regional flights. Regardless of the terminal your flight will depart from the following day, all bags need to be dropped in Terminal 2 when availing of this early check-in facility.

http://www.aerlingus.com/travelinfor...foreyoufly/check-in/check-intimes/

Great idea to cut the queues at check in when the rush is on.

[Edited 2013-03-29 04:02:55]

User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 156, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7347 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 149):

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 147):
That is bad news. So the DUB-BOS flights baggage will no longer be on belt 3(domestic). Back to the days of lining up to get thru immigration and customs. I kind of see why the 137 and 125 won't do it(even if they and the 109 are all within 45 mins of each other - maybe too busy!) But why not the 137??

You could always just take the EI135 from SNN - that flight will preclear as normal.

I normally do to be fair. But it is bad for DUB.


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 157, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7374 times:
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Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 148):
Both the DAA and Aer Lingus are passing the book saying its not their decision on what clears and its the US Gov, yes it is but there are ways around staffing costs etc.

I have heard tht the EI CEO is pretty fed up with the intransience of the US authorities on increasing staff numbers at DUB.

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 152):
What is the point in the DAA and EI using the pre-clearance facility as a big selling point if not every flight is guaranteed to preclear?

At present EI are unable to 'sell' pre-clearance as not 100% of flights are processed in DUB. With the new arrangements,while not great or BOS pax at least EI can now market pre-clearance on all JFK services. And from what I hear BOS queues are fine compared to JFK.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 158, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7327 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 157):
At present EI are unable to 'sell' pre-clearance as not 100% of flights are processed in DUB. With the new arrangements,while not great or BOS pax at least EI can now market pre-clearance on all JFK services. And from what I hear BOS queues are fine compared to JFK.

Its often confusing for passengers though and EI* should clearly state what flight does and does not at time of booking. For some they may choose an EI direct over a connection Via LHR due to the perception that it pre clears only to get to the airport and find it doesnt.

* That also applies to all airlines using the CBP.

[Edited 2013-03-29 04:49:45]

User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 159, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7248 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 145):

I personally believe there IS indeed a market to be served from an ME airline from the west and south. There will soon be 2 773 and one A332 flight a day leaving DUB for the ME.... that traffic is not all coming from the Dublin / East area. An airline with the right sized aircraft and the right connecting network may be pushing at an open door.

I'm still not convinced there is enough of a market as even the 3 most popular hubs AMS,CDG and FRA have not been able to sustain or attract viable connections from SNN.

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 146):
Also, and this is not intended to spark and 'East vs Whest' argument but it is a fact that in times of economic hardship, the west half of the country generally gets affected worse by economic hardships and therefore by emmigration than the eastern half. Indeed the large numberes of people who left the west of Ireland for America over the decades is one of the big driving forces that keeps transatlantic services at SNN. Well this latest recession has not seen as many heading to the UK and USA but a hell of alot heading to Australia and New Zealand. It is therefore resonable that we are at least dicussing this and it wouldn't be the most surprising route announcement if it ever does happen.

Even without the emigrant business we would probably still have EK and EY serving DUB as there is still enough diversity of customer requirements to elsewhere throughout Asia.

I don't think a service primarily based on emigrant business would be viable in it's own right. Perhaps Turkish might be the best chance if they keep growing at the rate they are and have smaller aircraft such as the 737 which could make SNN.

Anyway best of luck to SNN Marketing in their quest for an Eastern connection, it would be a major coup if got this one and would show that they are up for the job of targeting new business for SNN's future.


User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 160, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7090 times:

FYI, I was watching flightradar24.co :

Jet2.com Flight 535 Newcastle to Cork has turned around just before reaching the Irish coast and is heading back to NCL where it is landing now.

New arrival time is 18:30 instead of 16:50. Aircraft was a 733, and I remember in Budapest there were always problems with Jet2.com's 733's.



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User currently offlinenightfox365 From Ireland, joined Jul 2011, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 161, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7039 times:

Just for everyones information, I started a plane spotting club last year. We meet every month. The last Saturday of every month. We are meeting at Dublin tomorrow. This is not just plane spotting in Dublin though, there will be spotting trips to other airports around Ireland, and in the future hopefully around Europe too. We have a facebook page and web site. The web site is:
http://irishplanespottersclub.net

the facebook page is: https://www.facebook.com/IrishPlaneSpottersClub

It is free to join, and I am always enthusiastic to meet like minded people. It is fun plane spotting by yourself, but even more fun with people who also enjoy it.



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 162, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7035 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 160):

Jet2.com Flight 535 Newcastle to Cork has turned around just before reaching the Irish coast and is heading back to NCL where it is landing now.

New arrival time is 18:30 instead of 16:50. Aircraft was a 733, and I remember in Budapest there were always problems with Jet2.com's 733's.

Well, they have some of the eldest 737s in the business; most are from the mid to late 1980s, so if they're serious about staying in the lo-co business, they'd want to think about renewing their fleet. Trouble is, maintenance cost will just rise and rise.

Quoting nightfox365 (Reply 161):
Just for everyones information, I started a plane spotting club last year. We meet every month. The last Saturday of every month. We are meeting at Dublin tomorrow. This is not just plane spotting in Dublin though, there will be spotting trips to other airports around Ireland, and in the future hopefully around Europe too. We have a facebook page and web site. The web site is:
http://irishplanespottersclub.net

the facebook page is: https://www.facebook.com/IrishPlaneSpottersClub

It is free to join, and I am always enthusiastic to meet like minded people. It is fun plane spotting by yourself, but even more fun with people who also enjoy it.

Brilliant idea; well done. Hope it goes very well. I'm hoping to head out to the airport on Monday, myself.


User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 163, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7031 times:

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 96):
Why would they not have AGP and FAO at daily and 6 weekly, there has being no capacity change to these destionations apart from a Belfast Airport.

I thought with the slight market change EI would have commenced with caution, I guess I focused too much on BHD 's negative factors.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 160):
Aircraft was a 733, and I remember in Budapest there were always problems with Jet2.com's 733's.


An ageing fleet will always cause trouble, I remember noticing a very lengthy delay on their BFS - PDV ski charter.

There was a thread discussing their possible fleet renewal but LS seem to be in no hurry to do so. I imagine A319 's will eventually start phasing out the classic 300's. I think 800's would be too big to fill on some of weaker routes, If not I am sure FR could help supply some 2nd hand birds.



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User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 164, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6868 times:
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Quoting KL911 (Reply 160):
Anyway best of luck to SNN Marketing in their quest for an Eastern connection, it would be a major coup if got this one and would show that they are up for the job of targeting new business for SNN's future.

Agreed. You can be sure it is something they are working on and I guess the only way anyone can ever be convined either way is to give it a go and see how it pans out.