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New Doha Airport (Hamad) To Open April 1 To 10 AL  
User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1818 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 15600 times:

The New Doha Airport named Hamad International Airport is scheduled to open April 1 (soft opening) to 10 airlines. They are:

1. Air Arabia
2. Fly Dubai
3. Ras Al Khaimah Airways
4. PIA
5. Biman Bangladesh
6. Nepal Airlines
7. Syrian Air
8. Air India Express
9. Yemenia
10. Iran Air

Approximately 32 flights a day will depart from the airport with 220 weekly flights. Only Concourse B (the Eastern wing) will open and the Eastern Runway will be fully operation. There will NOT be any proper duty free nor eateries as I came last week from the airport and nothing has been completed yet.

There are 10 gates in Concourse B (all with jet bridges). 2 of them are designed for the A380.

This is exciting as both airports will be operational until the end of the year when Qatar Airways transfers operations to Hamad Airport.

I created another thread last month, but its closed. So, time for a new one. http://www.gulf-times.com/qatar/178/...rlines-moving-to-new-hamad-airport


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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15433 times:

why the low class carrier moving there first?

User currently offlinegr09 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2008, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15302 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 1):
why the low class carrier moving there first?

I wouldn't call them low class carriers. My assumption QR negotiated with some airlines that will test the new airport capabilities and tune possible problems before the rest moves across the highway.

That brings up a question - how is QR going to move their planes? Just by landing the inbound planes at NDIA or are they going to move some planes on the ground? I haven't been to Qatar for over a year so I have no idea if they are preparing some connection. Those who travel on the new airport road - any idea?



[Edited 2013-03-17 17:40:05]

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15252 times:

Why not SV, KU, GF, RJ, ME, MS in there if not EK, EY, and WY?

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25166 posts, RR: 48
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 15244 times:

Probably wont complain much. They can be good guinea pigs to work out the kinks.


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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13018 posts, RR: 100
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 14964 times:
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My first rough guess is this is 1mill pax/year. Nor a trivial number, but not huge either.

But what about eateries? Passengers will survive without duty free, but there needs to be some food available. At least coffee and some fast food?

Since all the initial airlines are LCCs, I imagine their landing fees were given a cut.

Now what I question is: Is this enough passengers and flights to pull some load off the old DOH? Since we're looking at only a 6% to 8% of the passengers in an airport growing faster than that.    The old airport will still operate far above design capacity. Heck, the new airport will 'fill up' quickly. I expect to see the follow on expansion happen fairly quickly.

Quoting 777way (Reply 1):

why the low class carrier moving there first?

No lounge access. Any carrier who provides lounges for their passengers will have to wait until they are completed.

Quoting 777way (Reply 3):

Why not SV, KU, GF, RJ, ME, MS in there if not EK, EY, and WY?

Many of those airlines provide lounge access. Per wikipedia, June is implied (but not actually stated) when the first lounges will be ready.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1818 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14763 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 1):
why the low class carrier moving there first?
Quoting gr09 (Reply 2):
I wouldn't call them low class carriers. My assumption QR negotiated with some airlines that will test the new airport capabilities and tune possible problems before the rest moves across the highway.

Well, these carriers won't have lounge access and duty free accesses.

Quoting 777way (Reply 3):
Why not SV, KU, GF, RJ, ME, MS in there if not EK, EY, and WY?

They require lounge access.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
They can be good guinea pigs to work out the kinks.

Indeed.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 5):
My first rough guess is this is 1mill pax/year. Nor a trivial number, but not huge either.

Actually, this is the number I got as well.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 5):
But what about eateries? Passengers will survive without duty free, but there needs to be some food available. At least coffee and some fast food?

When I went, there was NOTHING. However, I wouldn't rule out Costa Coffee since it is owned by Qatar Airways in Qatar. and perhaps a small confectionary store.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 5):
Now what I question is: Is this enough passengers and flights to pull some load off the old DOH? Since we're looking at only a 6% to 8% of the passengers in an airport growing faster than that. The old airport will still operate far above design capacity. Heck, the new airport will 'fill up' quickly. I expect to see the follow on expansion happen fairly quickly.

I have done an analysis, and it turned out to be 7-8 percent from the old airport. Let's not forget Qatar Airways is in for a huge expansion this year with lots of new destinations plus cargo expansion.



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User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2418 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 14562 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
The New Doha Airport named Hamad International Airport is scheduled to open April 1

Will the new airport linked to the old airport by shuttle? How long will it take?

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 6):
They require lounge access.

But also Iran Air and PIA are offering Lounge access to their Homa-Class/Business Plus passengers, but not sure about Yemenia...


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1818 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14386 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 7):

Will the new airport linked to the old airport by shuttle? How long will it take?

Yes, they will link the two airports by shuttle. If they use the main roads, it will take 10-15 minutes depending on the traffic.

Quoting debonair (Reply 7):

But also Iran Air and PIA are offering Lounge access to their Homa-Class/Business Plus passengers, but not sure about Yemenia...

Iran Air flies a very small plane to secondary cities, and not Tehran. So, its probably some sort of LCC or something. They must've offered a free usuage of the facility though for them to be used.



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User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3245 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14272 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 1):
why the low class carrier moving there first?

I guess they've learnt from other big airport openings....there will be problems, so might as well send the "lesser" carriers to find out what those problems are. When the new PEK T3 opened, Sichuan Airline (and maybe Shandong Airlines) were the first users, not the much bigger and important Air China.

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 6):
They require lounge access.

Whilst they should be able to provide lounge access, it's not a limiting factor. There are plenty of airports around the world that cater for C class pax that have no lounge. E.g. Salzburg and Innsbruck in Austria. BA customers in both of those get given a EUR 10 voucher at check in. I think OS/LH give their pax EUR 5.



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User currently offlineyowza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4880 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14162 times:

Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 9):
I guess they've learnt from other big airport openings....there will be problems, so might as well send the "lesser" carriers to find out what those problems are. When the new PEK T3 opened, Sichuan Airline (and maybe Shandong Airlines) were the first users, not the much bigger and important Air China.
Quoting 777way (Reply 1):
why the low class carrier moving there first?

This is nothing to do with the carriers being low class or lesser in any way. In short, the carriers that have agreed to move are those that have the highest amount of pax originating or destined for Doha as a percentage. Simple as that. You will have noticed that none of these carriers are in an alliance thereby further reducing likelihood of onward travel through Doha. The LCC presence reinforces this.

YOWza



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User currently offlineLGWGate49 From Sudan, joined Nov 2009, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 14038 times:

Sorry have done a search but not found anything. What will be the three letter IATA designation for the new airport? Will it revert to DOH when QR move in?


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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 14019 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):

1. Air Arabia
2. Fly Dubai
3. Ras Al Khaimah Airways
8. Air India Express


[quote=lightsaber,reply=5]
Since all the initial airlines are LCCs, I imagine their landing fees were given a cut.

Only these are LCC.


User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13894 times:

As of now, the two airports appear completely disconnected from each other.

Would it make sense to build a connecting taxiway-- either temporary, to help ferrying planes and equipment during the eventual move; or even permanent, in which case the current airport's runway could serve as a third runway in the future.

Also, of the ten airlines listed above (and I agree with the above poster- with the exception of a few, most are certainly not low-cost carriers), I assume that most of the traffic would be O&D. But for persons who are transferring to another flight that uses the old airport, what would the procedure be?


User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13891 times:

Also, incidentally, I noticed on google maps that even though the new runways look absolutely complete,
there are no "X" markings that usually accompany non-operational runways.


User currently offline3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13843 times:

The delay at the airport is because the Lounges are not ready. There is a case in court right now between the Doha Airport Authority and the company that was previously called in to set up the lounges. They were later kicked off the job, and a new company was brought in. As a result all the airlines that require lounge access will have to wait while those that do not will start flying there April 1.

Airlines that are not moving there:

QR
EK
EY
GF
UA
KLM
Oman Air
BA
9W
Egypt Air
Kuwait Airways
Saudi Arabian Airlines
Turkish
Royal Jordanian
...and more

Almost all of those with the exception of QR will not have many arriving or departing passengers that are connecting at Doha. It's purely about lounge access.

Quoting AT (Reply 14):

Also, incidentally, I noticed on google maps that even though the new runways look absolutely complete,
there are no "X" markings that usually accompany non-operational runways.

The runways have had X's on them for a long time. However, recently they have started to do test flights into the airports and in the recent past they've used the airport for other purposes (e.g. During the UN climate conference they used it to park the raft of VIP aircraft that flew into DOH), the images you are looking at were probably taken on one of those days. If you take a look at Bing Maps they have X's on them.

It should also be noted that quite shortly the airport will be expanded to the west (towards the old airport) and if you take a look at the Western Runway you can already see the beginnings of taxiways leading out toward that area. If QR reach the size that they have stated publicly then there will be a shortage of parking spots in no more than 2 years.


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1818 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 13666 times:

Quoting AT (Reply 14):



Also, incidentally, I noticed on google maps that even though the new runways look absolutely complete,
there are no "X" markings that usually accompany non-operational runways.

There are aircraft that land there every day for testing purposes. Last week I went into an A300 cargo in the new airport.

Quoting AT (Reply 13):
Also, of the ten airlines listed above (and I agree with the above poster- with the exception of a few, most are certainly not low-cost carriers), I assume that most of the traffic would be O&D. But for persons who are transferring to another flight that uses the old airport, what would the procedure be?

There will be shuttle busses between DOH and Hamad.

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 15):



The delay at the airport is because the Lounges are not ready. There is a case in court right now between the Doha Airport Authority and the company that was previously called in to set up the lounges. They were later kicked off the job, and a new company was brought in. As a result all the airlines that require lounge access will have to wait while those that do not will start flying there April 1.

I truly dont blame the Lounges company. The airport has a lot of other things to complete other than the lounges. But, we'll see the verdict (maybe after some time) but well see.



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User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3468 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 13636 times:

By the way, is it an entirely new airport or just an extension of the present DOH with new terminals and runways on the other opposite side ?

User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1818 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13542 times:

Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 17):
By the way, is it an entirely new airport or just an extension of the present DOH with new terminals and runways on the other opposite side ?

A totally new airport. Its separated from DOH by a 2 kilometer stretch of desert to the East. Half of it is reclaimed from the Arabian Gulf.



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User currently offline3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 13485 times:

Whats the deal with the shape of the airport? I've seen a number of other airports (namely Hong Kong) that are built in exactly the same shape. Is it the same company that did both or have companies just decided that this is the most efficient design? There's also one in China that looks the same, can't remember which one though.

There's now a rendering on skyscraper city of the planned expansion to the west of the airport, first time I've seen a drawing: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=304873&page=62

[Edited 2013-03-18 11:33:38]

[Edited 2013-03-18 11:55:40]

User currently offlineMarkam From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 441 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 13115 times:

What will happen to the old airport? Will the land be kept for an eventual expansion of the new airport (third runway?), or will it be redeveloped for other purposes?

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13018 posts, RR: 100
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12885 times:
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Does the new-DOH (Hamad) airport operate under the DOH code with *very* offset runways or another 3 letter code?

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 6):
Let's not forget Qatar Airways is in for a huge expansion this year with lots of new destinations plus cargo expansion.

Agreed. What is QR's planned expansion rate? I expect the old DOH to be bursting at the seems at the end.

Lightsaber



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12781 times:

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 19):

Noticed this too, conpiracy theorists might have some funny takes on this related to symbolism and other bizzarre stuff.


User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3468 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12714 times:

I think it's better for the travel industry intervenants and travelers to keep IATA code DOH as they did for MUC. As for the architecture, New Doha was constructed by Turkish TAV Construction. Maybe they have chosen that shape for functionality, and with regard to the available piece of land of course. They may also have been urged by any deadline to finish construction and hand the building operative on time !

[Edited 2013-03-18 12:45:48]

User currently offlineAA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12343 times:

For those who haven't seen photos of Hamad, they're available below:

http://blog.racingwinds.com/2013/01/...elcome-to-dohas-brand-new-airport/



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25 Post contains images r2rho : What will happen to the old airport once the new one is fully complete? Will it shut down or complement it (at least the runway I think could be perfe
26 QatarA340 : It was designed by HOK architects who are also the designers for HKG. The shape is the most effient in airport design-- much better than some airport
27 kevin : Isn't QR moving all its cargo ops to the new airport on April 1st as well?
28 kevin : And what about Amiri? AFAIK their terminal is complete. Will they move their ops to the new airport ASAP as well. I'm sure their movements are not tha
29 AABB777 : From what I have heard both the current Doha airport and the new (Hamad) Doha airport will operate under the same DOH IATA code. The ATC tower at the
30 Post contains links 3rdGen : No the old airport will remain open for some time until the expansion at Hamad is complete. There isn't space at Hamad for a number of users at DOH s
31 QatarA340 : Cargo ops will move April 15 or so according to AAB. There is a big (and useless) Arab summit coming up at the end of the month--so I assume that the
32 777way : Shaheen are not moving either also same class as the 10 who are shifting there.
33 QatarA340 : Strange considering they are only flying 1 time per week to Peshawar. I always assumed they were LCC's.
34 Post contains links AirMale : This is also a nice link, with lots of statistics, photos of Hamad International Airport: http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/121...ccess_key=key-1wqqk8e
35 777way : they dont have J anymore, but not sure if a true LCC.
36 QatarA340 : Hamad airport’s cargo terminal to open in April They will use the trucks to move stuff back and forth from DOH to the new DOH. That means it will op
37 Post contains links QatarA340 : http://www.moodiereport.com/document.php?c_id=6&doc_id=34618 Nice article about the opening preparations. I wonder if FlyDubai or Air Arabia will
38 Post contains links and images QatarA340 : New pics from instagram 7 days remaining!
39 QatarA340 : The New Airport Will Open in Less Than 15 HOURS!!! By The Way, for logistical reasons, the New Airport will be called Terminal 1 and the current airpo
40 Post contains images miami : I hope QR will launch MIA soon since they joined Oneworld. I'm crossing my fingers!!
41 CaliAtenza : hopefully QR will launch LAX this year!!!
42 Post contains links BestWestern : cafe and stores available http://moodiereport.com/document.php?c_id=6&doc_id=34618 Passengers wanting a beverage or snack before they fly will be
43 airbuseric : Well, let's hope it will be a nice airport, since the 'old' DOH airport is a dump, bringing back the so called 5-star airline QR to just 1 or 2 stars.
44 mozart : What happens to Qatar Airways' premium passengers? Today there is this wonderful Premium Terminal where there are never any waits at passport and secu
45 Post contains links and images QatarA340 : Three Hours Left for Opening. Remember its only a soft opening, the majority of the airport is still closed... Hamad International Airport - ARRIVALS
46 777way : Sudan airways and Iran Asseman are also not moving to Hamad.
47 Post contains links EK413 : I've just read on another forum the opening has been postponed again... Hamad International Airport fails to meet Civil Defense checks, delays opening
48 QatarA340 : WHAT AN EMBARASSEMENT!! I think people in Berlin better than God that their airport was not delayed 2 hours before the first flight-- AND THERE WERE
49 Post contains links EK413 : I opened a separate discussion concerning the delayed opening... Hamad Int Airport Fails Tests - Delays Opening! (by EK413 Mar 31 2013 in Civil Aviati
50 Post contains links lightsaber : Ok, is it possible to cut through the April 1st chatter and find out more? I personally cannot believe that a massive new airports 'soft launch' would
51 QatarA340 : Make THAT less than 1.5 hours before the opening! There were media personnel, passengers waiting at the terminal; there seemed to be utter confusion
52 QatarA340 : Apparently its gone very quiet. Fly Dubai sent me an email saying, Whoops we are going to remain at the old airport. LOL
53 YVRtoYYZ : 312033 OBBBYNYX (A0203/13 NOTAMR A0188/13 Q)OBBB/QFAXX/IV/NBO/A/000/999/2516N05137E005 A)OTHH B)1303312030 C)1305312359 EST E)OPENNING OF HAMAD INTERN
54 Post contains links and images lightsaber : I'm still in amazement on how: 1. How can you schedule an airport opening, even a soft opening, on 4/1 ? 2. Who holds a safety review immediately befo
55 QatarA340 : This is exactly what I thought. In a normal country some people would get fired for this. In Qatar, its a pat on the back and giving them a 1000th ch
56 Post contains links and images QatarA340 : تأجيل افتتاح المطار «6» أشهر علمت الوطن أنه تم نقل موظفي مطار حمد الدولي إلى مطار ا
57 Post contains images BHMNONREV : This was just what Boeing needed to get AAB off of their backs over the 787 problem. He can't be a very happy man right now..
58 Post contains images flylonghaul : What happened to all the passangers that were scheduled to depart? They must have been absolutely furious. I know I would be! What a shocking way to h
59 Nimish : The good news (silver lining) is that hopefully the new opening date will be far enough to kind of "merge" with the main planned opening.
60 mozart : My nerves were wrecked. I was CERTAIN that the airport was not going to open as planned yesterday and I had some pretty substantial bet outstanding. I
61 QatarA340 : I think this is identical to the Boeing 787 problems. What a mess. Well, there was only one flight that was scheduled to depart, and thanksfully ther
62 Post contains images flylonghaul : Well at least there werent too many inconvenienced by the mishandling. If you were someone who does not fly very often this must have been extremely
63 debonair : Any new opening day announced?
64 QatarA340 : Hopefully! Still no new date. But, I expect June when they finish at least the Oryx Lounge for all airlines that are not QR.
65 lightsaber : Based on? And will airlines be as willing to switch? I would schedule my airline's switch a week or more after the first airline *at a minimum.* Who
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