Today we introduced our first aircraft equipped with flat-bed seats in a revamped premium cabin, all-new interiors, personal on-demand entertainment, Wi-Fi connectivity, in-seat power and USB ports on our transcontinental p.s. Premium Service. United flight 651 (nose 5996), our first flight with the completely new cabin experience, departed Los Angeles International Airport this morning to New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport.
So are these on ex UA birds, are now ex CO birds?
I am looking forward to trying them out. I hate the idea Economy- makes an appearance as that in my opinion takes away the value of UA PS. Why should I book UA PS over a regular UA Flight when both have Economy Minus?
The addition of having a PTV is nice, though I'd be fine with wifi only which it also has as well.
Alex
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sonomaflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1177 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14999 times:
This one is a sUA bird which was recently reconfigured. It is also winglet/ETOPS rated which caused a bit of a stir on the boards for "wasting" an ETOPS bird.
Expect to see UA rotate more 757s into P.S. as the premium market recovers and 787s come into the fleet in numbers. That will allow 763s and 788s to fly the TATL routes which have growth potential.
UA has to keep pace with DL and AA in the transcon premium market. With AAs new aircraft arriving starting this summer, the premium customer will have more choice with better products to choose from.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5340 posts, RR: 11 Reply 3, posted (2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14649 times:
Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 1): UA has to keep pace with DL and AA in the transcon premium market. With AAs new aircraft arriving starting this summer, the premium customer will have more choice with better products to choose from.
I'm a loyal UA flyer, but we have to be realistic: United has taken themselves out of the premium transcon market with this "reconfiguration" of their P.S. service. Namely, no first class; AA is installing 1 X 1 seating in the forward cabin of their new A321 aircraft, for transcon first. United? Removed first class completely.
That means that, for those individuals willing to pay for true-F, AA is the ONLY choice.
I was a loyal CO guy, so I'm well acquainted with the two-cabin theory. But in this market, UA has left all the movie stars in a glorified biz class! Oh, the humanity!
FriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4006 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14556 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3): But in this market, UA has left all the movie stars in a glorified biz class! Oh, the humanity!
UA has had years to run the numbers on this, and determined there weren't enough paying F customers to justify using that much real-estate on them.
AA is using the same seats for their new trans-con business (and 10 suites in F), so I'll be curious to see how that does. Of course, nobody on these boards will know how many of those 10 seats are upgrades.
The way I look at it, UA is probably still going to make a profit on these flights, and is no longer dedicating almost a third of their cabin to F seats to win a couple of contracts, most of which no longer require full F service.
And seriously, if you need a private suite for a 5 hour flight, book a private jet.
Sean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 752 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14313 times:
UA didn't usually sell out F but they very often oversold C and bumped HVCs into F. Now those customers might look to AA for the opportunity to upgrade to F via different methods even if they aren't outright paying for it. I would bet that full fare C makes a nice profit even if you need to put a few pax up front.
jayunited From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 285 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14191 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3): I'm a loyal UA flyer, but we have to be realistic: United has taken themselves out of the premium transcon market with this "reconfiguration" of their P.S. service. Namely, no first class; AA is installing 1 X 1 seating in the forward cabin of their new A321 aircraft, for transcon first. United? Removed first class completely.
That means that, for those individuals willing to pay for true-F, AA is the ONLY choice.
Well s-UA employees across the system raised this very issue when the company announced that they were removing first from the p.s. fleet and going with 28 lie flat seats in business. The reason they gave employees for this change was that while some people were buying first class tickets the majority of premium tickets sold were in business class and most people simply upgraded into first class especially when business class was over sold. While they did confirm that there are certain international routes where people are actually paying for their first class seats the JFK-LAX-SFO market does not need first class. And while p.s routes are extremely important they do not need private seats and the 1+1 set up will take up a lot of room on the aircraft. By having Business class, economy plus and economy Continental executives who now run United Airlines believe that they can increase the profitability of these routes even more because instead of giving away seats in first class they can now sell seats in regular economy.
sonomaflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1177 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 14123 times:
Quoting Atlflyer (Reply 5): From the photos it appears they also have new bins? Is this correct?
My recollection is this was a pretty complete interior revamp for this sUA bird. This included the new seats with AVOD, new bins and carpeting, WiFi and sidewalls repainted or replaced. It should look like a new plane from the inside.
Although I too was a bit surprised by the removal of F class, I doubt there are enough large Hollywood/banking sector contracts out there to justify the real estate on board.
AADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1835 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13923 times:
UA fails to mention that they are adding E- to p.s. which was originally had a smaller than average E+ (33" to 34" pitch vs. typical 36" E+) throughout the Y cabin. The new configuration also has a significantly worse C to Y ratio.
F on p.s. was killed by death through a thousand cuts. The product declined so that most of the difference between F and C was the seat. F used to have better food, signature cocktails (although the cocktail was available in C as well, I think), and more attentive service. If F had a chance, UA killed it by not making it any better than C and originally F was a step up.
I suspect that all of UA is ultimately headed to 2 class service. One of the things that p.s. did was provide 3-class service to connect to 3-class international flights to Asia and Australia. Going east, the 3-class positioning flights to IAD provided three class service from LAX, SFO and DEN through IAD to Europe.
For the most part, there are foreign carriers with F that provide better service to most international destinations. The only passengers left for F on USA domestic carriers are upgraders and points loyalists.
United_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7159 posts, RR: 8 Reply 10, posted (2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13884 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3): I was a loyal CO guy, so I'm well acquainted with the two-cabin theory. But in this market, UA has left all the movie stars in a glorified biz class! Oh, the humanity!
I'm sure most 'A' listers don't fly commercially,anyways.
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CODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2167 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13829 times:
Quoting jayunited (Reply 7): they can increase the profitability of these routes even more because instead of giving away seats in first class they can now sell seats in regular economy.
I think the configuration reflects the current state of the market. In 2004, when United launched p.s., the SAG contract contained a 3-cabin F requirement for certain classes of members, B6/VX were not in the transcon game and the Y yields were substantially higher. Since then, SAG dropped the 3-cabin F clause, B6/VX entered, DL launched their own full-schedule premium transcon service and the market has become more competitive. Economy class yields are junk, but premium cabin yields remain strong enough to support the service.
p.s. First is an now an undifferentiated product from p.s. Business aside from the seat, which is now inferior to the new p.s. BusinessFirst seat on the reconfigured aircraft.
I think it's a good move. It leverages the real money-maker, the business class cabin, with a class-leading hard product and additional seats. It also provides an upsell opportunity for basic economy class purchases that did not exist previously. Finally, there are 32 additional revenue seats available for sale. I have to believe those two factors are enough to offset the projected loss in revenue from full-fare F travel that will either defect to AA or pay C fares on United.
Many employees in the banking/financial sector are allowed to purchase the next higher class of service on domestic routes where flying time exceeds six hours. For a premium transcon, this would be business class. My understanding is only very high-level employees at major banks and other institutions are allowed to purchase full F on AA/UA transcons. Plus, the cost of entry for private business travel is coming down with less expensive options such as BlackJet and JetSuite. Inevitably, these offerings will erode yields in the most premium products. I think doubling down on the C product is the right move in this environment.
redzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13588 times:
While reading this thread I started to wonder what a 753 would look like in ps configuration. The biggest complaint I hear about the 753 is that the extra long, single-aisle configuration takes forever to board and deplane. But with a premium, low-density configuration like this, it seems like the 753 shouldn't take much longer to turn around than a typical domestic 752 or 738. Am I crazy? Might we ever see UA or DL put a premium 753 on transcons? Are the 753s too valuable flying high density leisure routes? Or is there simply no appetite to add capacity on the transcons? Or are there just not enough 753s avaialble to justify a new subtype?
sonomaflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1177 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13531 times:
Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 12):
While reading this thread I started to wonder what a 753 would look like in ps configuration. The biggest complaint I hear about the 753 is that the extra long, single-aisle configuration takes forever to board and deplane. But with a premium, low-density configuration like this, it seems like the 753 shouldn't take much longer to turn around than a typical domestic 752 or 738. Am I crazy? Might we ever see UA or DL put a premium 753 on transcons? Are the 753s too valuable flying high density leisure routes? Or is there simply no appetite to add capacity on the transcons? Or are there just not enough 753s avaialble to justify a new subtype?
I'm not certain UA needs the extra capacity on the p.s. transcons. Flying the 753s to Hawaii and non-premium transcons is a better money making proposition for UA. Also the 753 has a newer interior compared to the 752s which will get the make over and airlines are getting very careful about stretching out the overhauls for efficiency sake.
Also, flying the 753s to Hawaii frees up the ETOPS 757s along with 767 and 777s for international service where the yields are generally better.
tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6172 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13442 times:
To me, this is a trade off. While some good will come out of this new PS configuration, namely AVOD in Y and in seat screens in J (finally the digiplayers will soon be history.) The bad part is the loss of F, as now AA will be the leader in this respect. I'd also expect the 28 J seats to be crammed together ala a sCO TATL 757. I'm sure many tall people will complain about the lack of foot room for the new J seats.
The worst, how the current PS 757 has a distinct personal feel as 3/4 of the plane is F and J class. It's just a little less crowded, a little more relaxed, a unique way to fly. Unfortunately the "continentalization" of PS will take this aspect away.
Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 12): While reading this thread I started to wonder what a 753 would look like in ps configuration. The biggest complaint I hear about the 753 is that the extra long, single-aisle configuration takes forever to board and deplane. But with a premium, low-density configuration like this, it seems like the 753 shouldn't take much longer to turn around than a typical domestic 752 or 738. Am I crazy? Might we ever see UA or DL put a premium 753 on transcons? Are the 753s too valuable flying high density leisure routes? Or is there simply no appetite to add capacity on the transcons?
Or are there just not enough 753s avaialble to justify a new subtype?
753 are quite busy on LAX/SFO-Hawaii as well as hub to hub routes. They will not be coming over to PS
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commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10193 posts, RR: 62 Reply 16, posted (2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13349 times:
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3): United has taken themselves out of the premium transcon market with this "reconfiguration" of their P.S. service.
I don'tnk UA has taken themselves out of the premium transcon market. What they have done is taken themselves out of the 3-class F transcon market. UA will still have a strong premium transcon offering in the 'core' JFK-LAX/SFO markets that is competitive with DL. AA will have the distinct leg up in F, and be at least tied with UA and DL in C. And then you'll also have VX fighting it out for that market, too.
Frankly, with what AA/DL/UA/VX are (or are soon going to be) offering, I think JFK-LAX/SFO in the next few years are going to be experiencing more vibrant competition, and far better products and services, at the top end of the market than these routes have seen in probably decades, if ever.
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3): Namely, no first class; AA is installing 1 X 1 seating in the forward cabin of their new A321 aircraft, for transcon first. United? Removed first class completely.
Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 4): UA has had years to run the numbers on this, and determined there weren't enough paying F customers to justify using that much real-estate on them.
Quoting jayunited (Reply 7): Well s-UA employees across the system raised this very issue when the company announced that they were removing first from the p.s. fleet and going with 28 lie flat seats in business. The reason they gave employees for this change was that while some people were buying first class tickets the majority of premium tickets sold were in business class and most people simply upgraded into first class especially when business class was over sold.
I firmly believe there is still demand for an ultra-premium, "true F" product in the prime JFK-LAX/SFO transcon markets. But is there enough to justify it on two airlines these days? Or even one? It may well be that there was sufficient paid "true F" demand in these markets, but just not enough anymore to carry two airlines, and UA was the one that blinked first. At least in the JFK-LAX market, AA has long been the leader in the premium segment, anyway, so maybe UA just finally decided to stop fighting them for the very top end of that segment. We shall see.
cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7708 posts, RR: 55 Reply 17, posted (2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13201 times:
Looks like a nice product.
Quoting Atrude777 (Thread starter): I hate the idea Economy- makes an appearance as that in my opinion takes away the value of UA PS. Why should I book UA PS over a regular UA Flight when both have Economy Minus?
Why does it matter what's happening twenty feet aft of your seat? Does it really harm your experience in J to think Y class exists on the same plane? If so, how? Reminds me of the expression - "It is not enough that I succeed; my friends must also fail."
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 3): But in this market, UA has left all the movie stars in a glorified biz class!
First class is glorified biz class! If you get a true lie-flat in J, that's all the glory you need. As someone else said, if this isn't good enough for a five hour flight, go private.
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commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10193 posts, RR: 62 Reply 18, posted (2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13125 times:
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 17): First class is glorified biz class! If you get a true lie-flat in J, that's all the glory you need.
You and I and most people may feel that way, but remember who we're talking about here - celebrities and entertainment executives, people who are used to be spoiled and pampered whether it's rational or not.
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 17): As someone else said, if this isn't good enough for a five hour flight, go private.
Have you seen the pictures of the new AA A321 F cabin? It honestly looks like a private jet. In fact, looking at the images AA released, it seems almost like that was precisely the look and feel they were going for. If the renderings are reflective of reality, the F cabin is even going to be separated from J by not just a standard partition wall, but a full wall. It honestly looks incredible.
1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 5766 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13067 times:
Quoting sonomaflyer (Reply 8): My recollection is this was a pretty complete interior revamp for this sUA bird. This included the new seats with AVOD, new bins and carpeting, WiFi and sidewalls repainted or replaced. It should look like a new plane from the inside.
Not completely new bins, but extensions to the existing bins. It is the Heath Tecna ATIX-2.
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STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16261 posts, RR: 52 Reply 20, posted (2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12952 times:
Quoting redzeppelin (Reply 12): Might we ever see UA or DL put a premium 753 on transcons? Are the 753s too valuable flying high density leisure routes? Or is there simply no appetite to add capacity on the transcons? Or are there just not enough 753s avaialble to justify a new subtype?
No way, the 753s are UA and DL's pseudo domestic widebodies. Florida, Las Vegas, California, Hawaii etc.. For UA this is the last go around with the 757s. The sUA 757-200s currently being reconfigured into PS configuration, plus the sCO 757-200s and 757-300s will be the last 757s operating for UA in a couple of years. Eventually the PS flights will move to the 737-9 MAX.
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 14): Unfortunately the "continentalization" of PS will take this aspect away.
Let's see what "US Airization" does for AA's premium service.
Atrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5613 posts, RR: 54 Reply 22, posted (2 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12503 times:
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 17):
Why does it matter what's happening twenty feet aft of your seat? Does it really harm your experience in J to think Y class exists on the same plane? If so, how? Reminds me of the expression - "It is not enough that I succeed; my friends must also fail."
Nothing about me flying in J? I never said that?
I meant when I am purchasing a ticket for the trans con which I have done before, UA usually won in favor if the price was competitive because I knew at the WORST, I was still getting an Economy Plus seat on a UA PS aircraft. So if I saw a EWR-SFO or JFK-SFO, I'd book JFK-SFO knowing I will get an E+ seat and would be wiling to also pay a slight premium to fly out of JFK on UA PS for that reason.
Now with both routes having E- in Y, as a Coach Flyer, there is no reason to book a UA PS aircraft over a non UA PS f they both have E-.
That make sense to you now? That was the point I was getting. Not sure where you got the comparison of J and Y?
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Quoting AADC10 (Reply 9): UA fails to mention that they are adding E- to p.s.
They mentioned it in the link if you read it.
The fully refreshed interior offers 28 flat-bed premium-cabin seats, replacing the 12 angled lie-flat and 26 reclining seats in the premium cabins on the traditional p.s. fleet. The new configuration also features 48 extra-legroom Economy Plus® seats and 66 seats in United Economy®.
Alex
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United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5337 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (2 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12075 times:
Quoting Atlflyer (Reply 5):
From the photos it appears they also have new bins? Is this correct?
I don't think they swapped out the bins...those look like the standard 757 extended bins that UA has had for years. I can't tell from the pic but they may have swapped out the PSUs and painted the bins at least.
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25 EricR: That means that, for those individuals willing to pay for true-F, AA is the ONLY choice. I was a loyal CO guy, so I'm well acquainted with the two-cab
26 ikramerica: One thing to remember is that AA and UA are very different carriers when it comes to JFK, SFO and LAX. AA has very limited international service beyon
27 N62NA: Yep, the full wall makes a big difference. That's what I love about the AA 752 and 772 F class, as opposed to all the other AA aircraft where F is se
28 beachbum1970: So basically this new "enhanced" P.S. service is similar to an S-CO internationally configured 757, with a few extra BusinessFirst seats thrown in? An
29 ikramerica: Same for the CO 752s, where you had your own 16 seat cabin that really felt like a private jet when it was dark and the curtain was drawn. Others say
30 commavia: UA announced its reconfiguration of the p.s. fleet almost a full year before AA announced its plans for the transcon A321 fleet, so AA would have alr
31 Atlflyer: No new "sky interior" confirmed. https://hub.united.com/en-us/News/products-services/Pages/united-introduces-first-enhanced-ps-aircraft.aspx
32 AA737-823: The Sky Interior package is not available as a retrofit; this has been known since before the sky interior debuted. So, there wasn't really any doubt
33 jayunited: .You are absolutely correct neither AA or UA is flying tons of celebrities between JFK-LAX, SFO on a daily basis and historical data has shown UA tha
34 VC10er: I wish United p.s. kept F with something along the line of 1x1 of their great Global First seat for the sole continuation of international Global Firs
35 ikramerica: A 2 seat cabin? Or 4 seats? 4 seats seems wild but US had a super small F on their widebodies. Not sure how that would fit in a 757 with the second s
36 PA110: I just got back from a roundtrip SFO/JFK/SFO a week ago. PS service in Economy Plus sucked. Sorry. there's no other way to describe it. I've been on m
37 questions: UA (new p.s. config), DL (reconfig 757's in 2014), and AA (on new A321's) will be using the same J seat on JFK-LAX/SFO, correct? If so, 1) will there
38 FriendlySkies: New config has AVOD and power in every seat, and E+ has more legroom. Hardly worse.
39 1337Delta764: I know DL's version will be specifically customized for them. Not sure what are the exact differences.
40 PA110: That may be, but unless UA puts some "premium" into their Premium Service, it's all just marketing. The service on my two flights was terrible. Seats
41 questions: Is this different from what DL and AA offer? Or are they all about the same?
42 KD5MDK: If you're flying in F class (or A, etc), what does it matter where your miles have been accumulated? You're still going to be treated extremely well o
43 SQSFO: Having Flown the PS service from SFO-JFK winter '12, this "BizFirst" product is light years above then the current PS First Class service from SFO-JFK
44 questions: Why not flights out of EWR? Couldn't UA attract well-heeled, paying premium passengers from downtown Manhattan and parts of NJ?
45 tommy767: With VX entering the EWR-LAX market starting this spring, UA will be flying it 13x a day using various types of aircraft. Everything from the 319 all
46 KD5MDK: How much of a premium did you pay for your Y ticket over the EWR price? I think the Premium Service is talking about to the premium seats, which is a
47 christao17: Much of UA's fleet (especially the international birds) has a 34" E+ pitch. I wouldn't call 36" E+ "typical".
48 PSA727: Is anybody decrying the loss of p.s. F actually buying it now? I flew it last year, and was less than impressed. And I'm mainly referring to the soft
49 mozart: Forgive my ignorance, but what is a "SAF contract"? Are there any images anywhere? Lastly: how does the VX product upfront compare to DL, AA, and UA
50 ikramerica: SAG = Screen Actors Guild, the union for film actors in the USA. Things like class of travel, car w driver, hotel type and room, are codified in the S
51 jayunited: Well on the employee intranet website Untied is claiming that with the launch of the new they will start offering International Businessfirst service
52 questions: VX F cabin has 8 seats which are the same seats DL uses for domestic BE service JFK-LAX-SFO. Pitch is 55". The difference is VX uses this configurati
53 ikramerica: Right. Never hear this talk but I guess it must happen once in a while. I found VX F service weird. Bizarre little cups of foods for breakfast. Maybe
54 rising: The differentiation is the people. In a service business, it always is. Sometimes we get caught up in AVOD, seat covers, etc. and while that is huge,
55 EricR: It's called portion control. I think Mayor Bloomberg is behind this.
56 ikramerica: Have you had their weird little cups? It's breakfast shots or something hip like that. Maybe on a transcon its more substantial. This was LAX-SEA.
57 N62NA: There's a mindset that once you are in NYC, you don't go to New Jersey to catch a flight - you use LGA or JFK. I've heard various excuses about why U
58 EricR: Unfortunately I have not had the opportunity to fly VX. I am usually booked on AA or DL. Sounds like you do not need utensils.
59 LAXintl: I wont bother to quote a bunch of postings but just make a few general comments. o The market has changed since p.s. was first introduced 9 years ago.
60 F9animal: I remember the mid 1990s, when I would fly UA from IAD to LAX or SFO on a 747-200, 747-400, and even a 777! First class was absolutely wonderful, with
61 KD5MDK: That assumes they don't increase frequency any. If they stick to a 1:1 replacement there will also be a huge reduction in Y capacity too. I think peo
62 ikramerica: Yes you do. Custard in a tiny square clear cup is still custard.
63 LHCVG: And there most likely isn't sufficient paid F demand to support both UA and AA here, unless it was just a mini cabin of 4-6 F seats in each plane. So
64 baw716: I'm not sure removing F class on the PS was the best move here. While AA will have an F cabin on their transcons, DL will not; they will have Business
65 CODC10: This would be a great improvement. Delta essentially offers their BE product on transcons, complete with more substantial meal service, amenity kits,
66 jayunited: Keeping in line with premium service does any one here think that American, Delta, or United will ever get rid of the buy on board meal option on thei
67 sonomaflyer: The short answer is I doubt it. The BoB option is here to stay because airlines finally realized that folks are only seeking the cheapest fare period
68 FriendlySkies: It makes perfect sense. The passengers flying in Y on these flights are not expecting a premium experience, they are just going from point A to point
69 STT757: CNBC weighs in on the changes: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100573165
70 tommy767: CNBC is a product of the "Drive by" media, so I'm not sure if you can trust them.
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