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N341NG - Colgan Dash 8 Accident - Update

my1le From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 175 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10015 times:

The Colgan Q400 that was struck at IAD last August (August 10, 2012) by the Lufthansa A330 (D-AIKE) at the gates is still sitting on the ground at IAD.

Any updates for why it is still down after 7 months?

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mesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 704 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9821 times:

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I have been wondering the same thing. I can only imagine perhaps problems since Colgan ceased operations September 5th, there are some issues getting payments for the repairs.

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airportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3056 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 months 23 hours ago) and read 9357 times:

Quoting mesaflyguy (Reply 1):

I have been wondering the same thing. I can only imagine perhaps problems since Colgan ceased operations September 5th, there are some issues getting payments for the repairs.

That's what insurance is for...especially if, as the OP writes:

Quoting my1le (Thread starter):
that was struck at IAD last August (August 10, 2012) by the Lufthansa A330 (D-AIKE) at the gates

implies the Airbus hit the Q400...thus LH would be on the hook for the repairs (in a perfect world, at least

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my1le From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 months 15 hours ago) and read 8904 times:

The A330 had the winglet removed and was flown back to Germany on August 12th. There are photos of it since then... It has a new winglet installed and operational at the start of October (earliest photo I can find).

Could it be the leasing company? Maybe they don't have a customer for the aircraft... Pinnacle may not want a wrecked airplane as part or the deal?

flyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1919 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (2 months 14 hours ago) and read 8860 times:

Are they maybe waiting on a new tail from BBD? I'm not sure, just throwing it out as a guess...It's not as easy as one thinks to get one off of the assembly line, especially from BBD. An airplane sitting on the ground is burning a hole in someone's pocket so there must be a reason.

cbphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1506 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 months 12 hours ago) and read 7655 times:

Quoting my1le (Reply 3):
Could it be the leasing company? Maybe they don't have a customer for the aircraft... Pinnacle may not want a wrecked airplane as part or the deal?

I thought Republic was taking on all of the ex colgan Q400s? If so, maybe their is an issue with RP accepting the aircraft.

I know from inside sources that Republic is having a lot of operational issues with the Q400s in DEN, from maintenance issues to crew staffing issues. It could be RP is not in a hurry to take on and repair this aircraft quite yet. If LH is on the hook for repairs, they could have worked out some deal to keep the aircraft parked while they work out their issues!

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dashman From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 months 11 hours ago) and read 7221 times:

A number of years our company had a Dash 200 hit in an almost identical spot. At first the damage didn't look that great from a visual inspection. However the force of the impact did tweak the aft empennage out of tolerance. The offending aircraft spun the Dash 45 degrees from its parked position. It was the longest time before a salvaged empennage aft of the pressure bulkhead unit was found. If I recollect it was difficult finding a similar time unit. The insurance company and lessor were the primary drivers in determining whether to salvage or repair.
My guess something similar is going on with 341. I suspect a salvage unit is non existent. Considering a new unit with removal and replacement is probably through the roof expensive the lawyers, insurance company and lessor are probably having a tough time as to what it's disposition will be.
Being that Dash 400's are not being built in any significant number I doubt Bombardier would take a unit off the assembly line already committed to an airframe. I'll bet Bombardier would build a unit special for 341 but the cost would probably be 5 times the porportiant cost in a new airframe thus bringing us back to the salvage, repair quandary.

winstonlegthigh From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 months 11 hours ago) and read 6460 times:

Quoting my1le (Thread starter):
Any updates for why it is still down after 7 months?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Never has gravity been so uplifting.

9lflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 months 9 hours ago) and read 5487 times:

AFAIK its still in the hangar at IAD. The aircraft, which we call the "Senator, " will be repair and transferred to Republic. The repairs are on hold pending the insurance companies decision on who will pay.

My opinions do not represent the opinions of my company. They are solely the opinion of the poster.

TrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 months 8 hours ago) and read 4413 times:

Your subject title says update. Soooo, what's the update?

my1le From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 months 3 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

Quoting winstonlegthigh (Reply 7):

Good One!

Quoting 9lflyguy (Reply 8):
AFAIK its still in the hangar at IAD. The aircraft, which we call the "Senator, " will be repair and transferred to Republic. The repairs are on hold pending the insurance companies decision on who will pay.

Is 341NG the plane that you are refering to?

superdash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 563 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 months 3 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

Quoting dashman (Reply 6):
A number of years our company had a Dash 200 hit in an almost identical spot. At first the damage didn't look that great from a visual inspection. However the force of the impact did tweak the aft empennage out of tolerance. The offending aircraft spun the Dash 45 degrees from its parked position. It was the longest time before a salvaged empennage aft of the pressure bulkhead unit was found. If I recollect it was difficult finding a similar time unit.

And, once we found a salvage Dash 8 (And I think it was a 100's tail) we had to cut off the aft section and tail of the damaged -200 and attach the aft section and tail of the salvaged Dash 8. It was the ultimate organ donation. The plane was much heavier after that reconstructive surgery. And it was out of service for a year or more. So I agree, they are probably figuring if it should become a write off or repaired.

EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (2 months 3 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

Without a close up look and as long as the aft spar is not damaged it looks to be a very minor repair. Replace the damaged hinges and a new rudder. Should be back in the air a few days after starting the work

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9lflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 months ago) and read 999 times:

Quoting my1le (Reply 10):
Is 341NG the plane that you are refering to?

Quoting superdash (Reply 11):

You're referring to Fraken-Dash or N363PH which is a Q200 that had its tail crunched by a NW A330 in PDX. The empennage was irrecoverable as a result of the accident. The fuselage was mated to a donor tail Bombardier had handy (N231ES). The plane has been flying with the "Franken-Tail" for quite a while now and is currently in service with us at Commutair (C5). Flew on her last week.

Credit to Suprazachair for the photo.

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superdash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 563 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 899 times:

Quoting 9lflyguy (Reply 13):
You're referring to Fraken-Dash or N363PH which is a Q200 that had its tail crunched by a NW A330 in PDX. The empennage was irrecoverable as a result of the accident. The fuselage was mated to a donor tail Bombardier had handy (N231ES). The plane has been flying with the "Franken-Tail" for quite a while now and is currently in service with us at Commutair (C5). Flew on her last week.

Yep...363PH....

I took this picture in Idaho Falls about 1 week after she re-entered service. Needless to say, given I knew what she had been through, the thunderstorms/turbulence played nice mind games on me. 363PH was also the first Horizon Dash 8 to get the new paint job which included the Maroon color on the underside of the engines.

But yes, tail damage can be really bad and 341NG could have a tough time returning to service

Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 824 times:

Any link to the story, ASN or avherald ?

What plane hit the other doesn't say anything about responsibility. What if the dash was parked incorrectly ? What if the airbus was being towed ?

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