doulasc From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 348 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1788 times:
In the early 1980s I thought I read somewhere that Western placed an order for some Boeing 767-200-non ERs.Can anyone confirm this? How many did they order?
CF-CPI From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 849 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1711 times:
Yes, in spring 1980 they ordered six 767-247s with another six options. They later decided to switch the order out for 27 737s instead (a mix of -347s and -247s). The 767s were ordered with P&W engines, an interesting choice since they already had GEs on the DC-10s.
WesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5395 posts, RR: 25 Reply 3, posted (2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1494 times:
Yep, another widebody choice cut due to financial trouble. Around this time the airline brought in Gerald Grinstein, Larry lee, and Robin Wilson to turn the airline around, and they did. In the process they restructured the routes to the hubs of SLC, and LAX, with a few other services out of DEN. This also brought about the 767 order transfer to more 737's of both the -247 and -347 variety.
Woohoo! Back to Beirut in Oct '13! (Along with a stop in DOH for 4 days)
bohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1274 times:
Boeing won the order for the WA 767 over the Airbus A310. At one time Airbus also tried to get WA to try out the A300 before EA ordered them. This information came from my father who worked for WA for many years. In hindsight, it was best for WA not to fly the A300, A310 or the 767 at that time. They were in serious financial difficulty at that time and they didn't need the expense for another aircraft type. They already had the 727 and 737 for domestic routes and the DC-10 for Hawaii, MEX, and ANC. There wasn't really anyplace to fit a 767 sized A/C in WA's route structure.
IMHO I think a 757 would have been better suited for WA in the mid/late 80's had they not merged with DL.
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 6): This is the most intersting part of that article:
"Boeing denies reports that the company
is developing canard foreplanes
as its aerodynamic solution to possible
767 pitch instability."
This is the first time I heard of that as well. Interesting.
SpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 409 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1221 times:
Quoting bohica (Reply 7): At one time Airbus also tried to get WA to try out the A300 before EA ordered them.
Here are three articles published by Flight International back in 1977 regarding a potential order for five A300 plus more on options by WA and the aftermath.
bohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 months 2 days ago) and read 1185 times:
Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 8): Hindsight being what it is, perhaps if the 767's were used as a DC-10 replacement, they wouldve fit the system better than the -10's.
ETOPS didn't exist at the time. Therefore the 767 couldn't be operated to Hawaii. They would still need the DC-10. for Hawaii. Fast forward about 8-10 years the 763 would have made a good replacement for the DC-10.
Quoting SpaceshipDC10 (Reply 9): Here are three articles published by Flight International back in 1977 regarding a potential order for five A300 plus more on options by WA and the aftermath.
WesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5395 posts, RR: 25 Reply 11, posted (2 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 748 times:
Quoting bohica (Reply 10): ETOPS didn't exist at the time. Therefore the 767 couldn't be operated to Hawaii. They would still need the DC-10. for Hawaii. Fast forward about 8-10 years the 763 would have made a good replacement for the DC-10.
Ahh yeah, my bad. But it wasnt too long afterwards (around 84-85?) that ETOPS was implemented, therefor, the 767's couldve filled the role then.
Woohoo! Back to Beirut in Oct '13! (Along with a stop in DOH for 4 days)
CF-CPI From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 849 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 583 times:
Quoting bohica (Reply 7): Boeing won the order for the WA 767 over the Airbus A310
One interesting note is .....fast forward to the mid-80s .... I have heard from people around at the time, that the new WA management revisited the A310 and wanted to place an order for some. The real attraction was large cargo capacity vs the 767. The remaining debt to Boeing apparently made this impossible, and the DL merger was just around the corner anyhow.
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