KarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 1790 posts, RR: 6 Posted (2 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19215 times:
"KLM Royal Dutch Airlines today presented its new World Business Class (WBC) cabin interior, featuring the new full-flat seat. KLM aims to accentuate the at-home feeling for Business Class customers and that calls for a new cabin interior. In this way, KLM is responding to its customers’ needs and wishes."
First up for redecoration are KLM’s fleet of 22 Boeing 747-400s. The number of seats in World Business Class will be reduced from 42 to 35 aboard the Boeing 747-400. KLM has chosen the Diamond Seat manufactured by B/E Aerospace.
azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3555 posts, RR: 30 Reply 6, posted (2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 18490 times:
I think it looks great, the added aubergine and brown are a nice complement to the traditional KLM blue. I am a little disappointed that they didn't go with aisle access for all pax. Mentioned earlier that KLM isn't looking to be a trend setter... well, this trend has already be set. Their very close partner DL, for example is well under way in providing aisle access to every customer in business class.
krisyyz From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1575 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17918 times:
Very nice! I recently flew WBC on KL and while the seats were comfortable, they did seem a bit dated and the recline setting did feel a bit awkward. I'm not surprised at the reduction of WBC seats, the flight I was on (AMS-YYZ) saw numerous economy passengers, including myself , upgraded to WBC as that class wasn't nearly full, yet numerous economy passengers were on stand-by for the flight.
330lover From Belgium, joined Jul 2008, 504 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16371 times:
Don't like the very light blue of the 'shells'.
It reminds me of the 'toothpaste' colour of AC. While I think it looks nice as a livery, it does not as interior colour.
Or is it just me, am I seeing colours wrongly?
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ardian From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 516 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15642 times:
For people who are wondering how much you CAN design with a new C-class cabin, since you're pretty restricted inside an airplance cabin and KLM already decided they'd choose the Diamond B/E Aerospace seat), here is an Interview from New York Times with designer Hella Jongerius. I really like how KLM is very proactive in using Dutch designers to enhance their product (Marcel Wanders for the dinner service, Blond Amsterdam for other catering packaging, photographer Carli Hermés for KLM's inflight boutique).
Great job by Hella Jongerius and her team. I really like the color palette and chosen materials. It suits KLM perfectly; no radical design change as if they are trying to be a next SQ, LH, BA or EY. They know they aren't the leader of the pack and instead they are just consistantly doing in what is right for them. They have a solid soft product and now they can match that with this better and improved C-class. Indeed no direct aisle access; next to what Joost in reply #13 already mentioned, KLM's C-class in their 744's is only situated in the A-section and upperdeck. That gives it less (and a smaller) space to work with.
factsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14574 times:
Quoting 76er (Reply 6): Company policy. A few years ago KL upper management decided it would be better for KL to be a 'smart follower' instead of a trendsetter.
Well, perhaps KLM is a trendsetter.... but not in cabin fittings & trimmings, but in a very different field....like the sustainability of aviation.
See this quote taken from Flight Global.
'The cooking oil biofuel KLM is burning is "very energetic" and flies better than kerosene, KLM Director Eurlings says, but what really counts is that "this step shows that KLM is a frontrunner in making air transportation more sustainable".
alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4658 posts, RR: 45 Reply 20, posted (2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14259 times:
Quoting AA777223 (Reply 14): My goodness! That is a sad state of affairs. If AF is the "premium" airline, they desperately need to step up their game. Angled lie-flats, 10 abreast Y in 777s and dirty planes hardly scream premium
AF is changing. Expect an announcement very soon for the refit of Affaires (full flat, full access, full privacy).
La Premier is also being redesigned to bring the on-the-ground experience at CDG to the air with a customized version of a new suite seat.
As for Y, you get what you pay for.
Not sure when you last flew AF, but the planes on the inside don't match the dirt on the outside. All of my flights in the last few years have been spotless with service that was better than anything I've gotten in the states and far better than the -223 airline offers!
I last flew AF a few years ago & both the soft & hard product were not great (in my opinion) As I live in the north of England most of the choice I have for flying to the East is with KLM & AF, (now the same company) & both can be very expensive.
I have found the regional product very good but the long haul very hit & miss, however I will be once again flying AF in about 8 hours from the North East of England to Japan (it is a codeshare with JAL) with the long haul with JAL.
I have to admit I did get a very good price so we will see what they are like now
usdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 756 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (2 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13620 times:
I have flown the new KL WBC with flat beds and absolutely loved it. The staff were very professional, and the seat was much more comfortable than some other lie-flats. KL seems more than a people-hauler to me; they are very nice on regional services and really make an effort to deliver a consistent long-haul product. If I paid for my own business class tickets, I would likely use them on a regular basis.
panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4587 posts, RR: 26 Reply 24, posted (2 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13688 times:
Quoting alitalia744 (Reply 21): Not sure when you last flew AF, but the planes on the inside don't match the dirt on the outside. All of my flights in the last few years have been spotless
Not for me...been on a few AF 77W and 332s in the last six months in J, and the seats/surrounding areas were definitely not spotless. Some parts of the seats/fittings were also quite run down...
And the AF CDG operation, even though improved from a few years ago, continues to be a cumbersome, frustrating, and illogical experience, even for someone like myself who is forced to go through CDG quite a bit...
25 panamair: Not sure that is possible since KLM hasn't installed a single flat-bed yet
26 Viscount724: . Very low demand to/from AMS. Dutch companies are quite strict at avoiding extravagance and needless expense. F class cabins were often close to emp