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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 125  
User currently offlineNZ1 From Australia, joined May 2004, 2276 posts, RR: 25
Posted (1 year 9 months 6 days ago) and read 20173 times:
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Continuation from the last thread which can be found here: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 124 (by 777ER Feb 10 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1354 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 20076 times:

Does anyone know why QF38 (supposed to go from Wellington to Melbourne) has diverted?

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User currently offlinehaggis73 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2010, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 19958 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 1):
Does anyone know why QF38 (supposed to go from Wellington to Melbourne) has diverted?

Diverted for fuel. WLG is on fuel allocation.


User currently offlinenz2 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2007, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 19617 times:

If you were GE as opposed to G you could access R inventory now for a Recognition Upgrade, but in spite of the spin we now know that your Recognition inventory at 72 hours will be whatever hasn't been OneUp'd, so my advice is just request to use a Recognition if your OneUp is rejected.

Thanks for feedback Koruman


User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 19609 times:

TN is dumping seats AKL/LAX/AKL in Christmas school holiday period, at least as part of a MEL/AKL/PPT/LAX ticket.

Saw a cheap airfare MEL/LAX on www.gumtree.com.au of all places & when went to compare on www.webjet.com.au & QF fare came up, but it was only QF MEL/AKL/MEL (with overnight accommodation at AKL on way over not included) & TN rest of way for just over AUD$2k inc taxes. Still cheap if don't mind spending night at AKL & going 2 stops in each direction. QF nonstops were $3375 & VA $3200.

How are TN going ? Weren't they in trouble financially recently ?


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7389 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days ago) and read 19593 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 4):
How are TN going ? Weren't they in trouble financially recently ?

Every year since they began they have been in a constant state of financial trouble.

As far as the TN fare goes, unless the days they operate work for you I probably wouldn't consider it from Australia, just from AKL.


User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days ago) and read 19587 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 5):
Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 4):
How are TN going ? Weren't they in trouble financially recently ?


Every year since they began they have been in a constant state of financial trouble.

As far as the TN fare goes, unless the days they operate work for you I probably wouldn't consider it from Australia, just from AKL.

In a way TN is similar to FJ. FJ now back in profit. So what are FJ doing that TN is not ?


Think TN used to fly from SYD, but now think only AKL/PPT. Surely their A343's would have legs to fly nonstop PPT/SYD with a full load ?

Then if they did that they could offer SYD/LAX direct via PPT with PPT stopover options.

Even if they flew nonstop SYD/PPT twice a week with other options via AKL it would be vast improvement.

People don't mind one stop but 2 with a compulsory overnight is a bit of a stretch.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7389 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19536 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 6):
So what are FJ doing that TN is not ?

FJ have the right aircraft for the right jobs, and they are moving forward to replace the weakpoints (read 744s). TN have a ridiculous fleet for what they use them for AND they show no sign of digging themselves out by ordering a better fleet for their requirements. With the A32xNEO on the horizon that is what they should be focussing on for the South Pacific services to AKL/SYD/BNE/MEL/NAN/HNL and something in the 763/788/332 size for flights like HKG/NRT/PVG/LAX/CDG.

My dream scenario is a predatory takeover by NZ of both FJ & TN which involves a full disestablishment of both their businesses, and the set up of a Pacific subsidiary that uses NZ for fleet bargaining, maintenance and fleet commonality with the greater NZ fleet.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25692 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19498 times:
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Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 7):
My dream scenario is a predatory takeover by NZ of both FJ & TN which involves a full disestablishment of both their businesses, and the set up of a Pacific subsidiary that uses NZ for fleet bargaining, maintenance and fleet commonality with the greater NZ fleet.

  

I'm with you on that, or something close to it.

I hoped the Virgin Blue/Polynesian deal might become a model for some of the smaller island airlines.

mariner

[Edited 2013-03-20 20:44:13]


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User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1669 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19480 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 7):
My dream scenario is a predatory takeover by NZ of both FJ & TN which involves a full disestablishment of both their businesses, and the set up of a Pacific subsidiary that uses NZ for fleet bargaining, maintenance and fleet commonality with the greater NZ fleet.

I'm with you on this as well, though the politics of running an airline in the islands is fraught with difficulty - different difficulties for different islands,as we have seen recently with Chatham Pacific and the Tongan government. Fiji is hardly the most stable place to do business right now, and French Polynesia would surely require some kind of "deal" to ensure ongoing support for its tourist industry - which might make any takeover rather less appealing. But notwithstanding, I think the idea has considerable merit in principle.

I still also harbour dreams that NZ might set up a subsidiary with a single Q300 to connect the islands along the old Coral route and also to feed the sole remaining service from the islands to LAX at RAR. NAN-APW-IUE-RAR-PPT anyone? Or K'man's RAR-BOB perhaps? But these dreams are probably just about as far-fetched . . .



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User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19479 times:

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 9):
My dream scenario is a predatory takeover by NZ of both FJ & TN which involves a full disestablishment of both their businesses, and the set up of a Pacific subsidiary that uses NZ for fleet bargaining, maintenance and fleet commonality with the greater NZ fleet.

NZ ?

Aren't you dreaming.

NZ had to be bailed out by the govt after Ansett debacle. You guys have short memories.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25692 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 19464 times:
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Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 10):
NZ had to be bailed out by the govt after Ansett debacle. You guys have short memories.

And has been profitable virtually ever since. The last reported profit a couple of weeks ago bested Virgin Australia by some scores of millions and - relative to ROI - may have bested Qantas:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...363153/Air-NZ-interim-profit-soars

"Air NZ interim profit soars

Air New Zealand says it is back in "growth mode" after declaring a huge improvement in half-year net profit to $100 million, up from $38m at the same time last year."


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User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19395 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 11):

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 10):
NZ had to be bailed out by the govt after Ansett debacle. You guys have short memories.

And has been profitable virtually ever since.

shouldn't that be offset by losses previously ?


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25692 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 19376 times:
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Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 12):
shouldn't that be offset by losses previously ?

Why - and what losses previously?

i thought we were talking about now and the recent past, not the dark ages before re-nationalization. Unlike Qantas and Virgin Australia, Air NZ remained profitable throughout the GFC.

mariner

[Edited 2013-03-20 23:14:05]


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User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19282 times:

just had a look at fares to Queenstown in August form Brisbane. Will virtually no competition (Qantas only has 1 flight for about 2 months in winter) fares seem to have increased a lot. AUD$862 on Virgin/Air NZ. For $200 more can go to LAX.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12339 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 19273 times:
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Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 10):

NZ has a modern fleet better suited to its operating conditions with no extra costs involved, unlike AN and TN. TNs A340 fleet is like NZs B744 fleet (which is now down to only two frames pending arrival of more long haul aircraft) and that is being fuel hungry. NZs 777 fleet costs way less to run then A340s.

A340s arn't suitable for TN operations due to their higher costs

Quoting mariner (Reply 13):
Unlike Qantas and Virgin Australia, Air NZ remained profitable throughout the GFC.

         Because NZ was able to change its operations better then QF and VA.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 19211 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 15):
A340s arn't suitable for TN operations due to their higher costs

That's true but the only reason TN got 340s to start off with was due to being a new start up carrier and not having the ability to operate twins due to ETOPs requirements until it has been proven their maintianence program is reliable. I'm not sure if this has been proven yet but if not, then the 340 is pretty much their only choice, PPT being so isolated from anywhere else.

I'm sure given the choice years ago they would have rather operated 767s or 777s


User currently offlinekoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 19202 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 7):
My dream scenario is a predatory takeover by NZ of both FJ & TN which involves a full disestablishment of both their businesses, and the set up of a Pacific subsidiary that uses NZ for fleet bargaining, maintenance and fleet commonality with the greater NZ fleet.
Quoting mariner (Reply 8):
I'm with you on that, or something close to it.
Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 9):
I'm with you on this as well

I sort of agree.

The main common need is to for Air Tahiti Nui, Fiji Air, Air Calin and Air New Zealand to merge their China and Japan operations, as all four airlines need the Asian market, but none of them can make the routes viable on their own.

I've previously shown how I'd do that:




It's got to make more sense than parallel losses operating



User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7831 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19106 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 14):
For $200 more can go to LAX.

You can't ski in LA and the scenery is knowhere near as pretty.


User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19103 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 18):
For $200 more can go to LAX.

You can't ski in LA and the scenery is knowhere near as pretty.

the point being, people will weigh up the fact that flying 3+ hours to Queenstown is not much less than 13-15 hours to LAX.

Those people who aren't necessarily looking for a ski holiday, just a holiday, might, in a lot o cases, go LAX is much better value & so go there instead.

On the other hand, there are many hundreds of Qantas frequent flyer seats into ZQN from SYD & MEL with connections from BNE, but Qantas makes these hard to find, ie. if for example, you search for BNE/ZQN on Qantas website for frequent flyer seats, the only options that appear, will be via AKL with an overnight & same day flights won't show up.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7831 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 19084 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 19):
the point being, people will weigh up the fact that flying 3+ hours to Queenstown is not much less than 13-15 hours to LAX.

But if they only want to go for a long weekends skiing holiday in Queenstown (which is what most Aussies going to Queenstown are going to do) won't be in the market for a trip to LA.


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 19072 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 19):
On the other hand, there are many hundreds of Qantas frequent flyer seats into ZQN from SYD & MEL with connections from BNE, but Qantas makes these hard to find, ie. if for example, you search for BNE/ZQN on Qantas website for frequent flyer seats, the only options that appear, will be via AKL with an overnight & same day flights won't show up.

This shouldn't be a problem for someone living in DRW, like yourself who could travel via SYD or MEL, but it could be a pain for a BNE resident wanting Simplicity. Someone from BNE once suggested flights to IVC were the answer  

PA515


User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 18705 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 18):
You can't ski in LA and the scenery is knowhere near as pretty.

For about $90 you can walk to the next terminal over and fly Southwest to Reno. Better skiing than in NZ (I've done both, and I'm skiing in the Sierra tomorrow morning.)


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 18624 times:

Apparently the next ATR72-600 for Air New Zealand (ZK-MVC) will be c/n 1084.

www.planespotters.net/Production_List/ATR/ATR-42/index.php?p=11

PA515


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2745 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 18612 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 21):
This shouldn't be a problem for someone living in DRW, like yourself who could travel via SYD or MEL, but it could be a pain for a BNE resident wanting Simplicity.

Haha!

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 14):
Will virtually no competition (Qantas only has 1 flight for about 2 months in winter) fares seem to have increased a lot. AUD$862 on Virgin/Air NZ. For $200 more can go to LAX.

Did Virgin fly this separately prior to the "merger"? If so, I agree it's probably a casualty of what really was a highly anticompetitive move by NZ and VA. Though they are able to charge that much because of demand, driven in large part by well (over?) paid Queenslanders seeking some snow.


25 KiwiRob : But that's not a weekend trip, you can't fly to LA on a Friday night, have two days skiing then fly back Sunday night ready for work Monday morning,
26 IndianicWorld : As much as this makes sense, most of this has to do with both prestige and employment generation in their respective countries. Such a move would be
27 koruman : In what way is Air Pacific like Air Tahiti Nui? The former derives almost 70% of its passengers from Australia, the latter sources fewer than 5% of it
28 Post contains links mariner : Hmmmm? Tahiti appears to be a growth market for Australians - this is dated March 2013: http://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/...ter-chill-tropical-tah
29 Post contains links NZ1 : Air NZ are dropping domestic standby travel effective 6th May. I guess it wasn't as lucrative as first thought. http://www.theflyingsocialnetwork.com/
30 aerorobnz : More grabaseats though, people in N.Z didn't really pick up and run with standby fares as first thought...Personally I think if the grabaseat site wa
31 aerokiwi : That's a shame, seemed like a good idea. As geeky as it sounds, the measures of its effectiveness would be fascinating to see. Did it fill otherwise
32 ZKSUJ : Standby fares really took off in the regions. Constantly a queue at the terminals, was a successful venture I would have thought Yes it did. A few fl
33 aerorobnz : I am fairly confident that was not the reason. A firm ticket was always obtainable for staff regardless of commercial standby, often for cheaper than
34 777ER : I think its sad that NZ is stopping a great idea like stand by fares. NZs reason on twitter was that passengers prefered a confirmed ticket instead o
35 Post contains links 777ER : IVC is set to receive all NZ international stop over flights from ZQN this winter for fuel top ups after NZ trialed IVC as a fuel stop over destinatio
36 sunrisevalley : What are the specific weather conditions ( or their effect) that require a reduction in fuel load ( thus TOW ) for a ZQN- Aus sector?
37 Unclekoru : I took from ZKSUJs comment that he was questioning weather it took a comparatively large amount of staffing resource to process the standby passenger
38 ZKSUJ : Staff travel privilleges hadn't crossed my when I wrote up that comment. I was thinking of SBY fares on a few occasions leading to more work for staf
39 taieridrome : Have just noticed a very long and impressive contrail over CHC. Not too unusual to see these except this one was coming from the east (from direction
40 Post contains links deconz : it was QF28 SCL/SYD ... http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/qf28
41 taieridrome : Thanks for the quick response. Is this the usual track or is weather dictating otherwise?
42 Post contains images deconz : It's often much further south. I'm NZNV1 close to IVC and often catch her going over and coming back
43 aotearoa : It is more often related to a number of factors, not just the ZQN weather. Here is an example. If a ZQN BNE flight has to carry additional fuel for a
44 aerorobnz : Nah, not really much extra work from a passenger handling perspective - standby go where they're put, no need for seat preferences and no guaranteed
45 WSTAKL : The Sultan of Brunei's private 767 is at WLG if any Welly spotters want to get a few shots of it.
46 Post contains images 777ER : Any idea when it departs? This aircrafts been at WLG several times previously but I've never had my camera on me
47 ZKSUJ : The news says hes here for 4 days, so I presume Thursday
48 777ER : Sweet, thanks. Plenty of chances to get out to WLG. Anyone have any idea where its parked?
49 ZKSUJ : I'm there on Wednesday, let you know then if no one else does before hand
50 NZ107 : I was spotting there yesterday..!
51 Post contains images zkojq : Speaking of VIP aircraft, the Thai Prime Minister visited last week, does anyone know what she flew to get here? I know the Thai Government was using
52 NZ107 : Flew either on the usual 772 flight or its own 772.. Nothing special. HS-TJW.
53 ZKSUJ : There were 2 TG 772s in AKL on sunday, 1 parked at a hard stand so maybe that was it? I was wondering why there were 2 TG aircraft there
54 aerorobnz : Additional flight, but usual aircraft. Flew back via POM
55 HLZCPH : It was parked on the Friday too. Only stood out to me as we took off to DUD behind the other departing TG 772. Just thought it was related to the TG
56 aerorobnz : If QF could fly AKL-LAX, at 6500mi and KE can fly ICN-NBO at 6250mi then TN could certainly use a 332 to fly PPT-NRT at 5863mi.
57 Post contains links and images 777ER : Took a (long) detour via WLG this evening while heading to work and the Royal Brunei is a B762, rego V8-MHB. View Large View MediumPhoto © JCAM Anyon
58 Post contains links 777ER : Residents of PMR are complaining of NZs "rip off" fares - http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-stan...8/Airport-chief-gives-savings-tips
59 motorhussy : I was at WLG this morning and didn't see the Sultan's Flight (it was still very dark). Anyone know where it's parked? Also, on another matter, is the
60 777ER : Parked outside the RNZAF base (right beside the road that runs beside the Southern runway)
61 sunrisevalley : The westbound sector ESAD of about 3100nm would be very close to max passenger load. This is generally considered not to be commercially viable. Stan
62 mariner : I would fall over in shock if the A321Neo were capable of AKL-PER, but I think it would be extremely useful AKL to the Pacific Islands. mariner
63 WSTAKL : Could one of the regular AKL spotters (NZ107 I'm looking at you!) tell me what time the Fedex MD-11F usually arrives in AKL on a Sunday? Heading up fo
64 ZKSUJ : Western Apron opposite the terminal. Don't know what vantage points you could use to see it though
65 Post contains images NZ107 : Possibly the last major landing before sunset if it's on time? Beacon Hill I wonder what the view is like from BK
66 aerojoe : I see stuff is reporting that the 787 may struggle to receive ETOPS any time soon. What does this mean for NZ's plans for 787 operations from 2014 and
67 Post contains links mariner : In Australia, the ACCC has given it's final approval to the Qantas Emirates deal, although it has made certain conditions with regard to the four comm
68 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Burger King? Would mean any expansion plans/new routes put on hold for a start
69 aerorobnz : AKL-PMR is often on grabaseat and is cheaper than most flights in NZ. 1905 Layover 82. more or less, as with all freighters it is unreliable
70 777ER : Yes Burger King has opened behind the Z station and forgot about spotting chances as theres not really any good viewing spots due to the high timber
71 Post contains images haggis73 : Garuda must be getting close to making an announcement about there start up dates to AKL soon. That's all I'm going to say about that. FX75 HNL - AKL
72 Post contains links PA515 : Hawaiian Airlines 25 March 2013 Press Release says an operating range of 3,650 nautical miles. AKL-PER is 2,888 nautical miles (5,348 kms). Could be
73 Post contains links mariner : That's the still air range given by Airbus. Real world applications - weather/winds - are somewhat different. No one presently flies the A320 family
74 Post contains images NZ107 : It seemed like you could maybe just see over the fence when I was taxiing towards the terminal.. Interesting subtle hint Just hoping it won't be that
75 777ER : When I was there last month, the upstairs area was closed off so I'm not 100% sure about viewing upstairs but downstairs looked basically impossible.
76 PA515 : Air NZ have said the 787-9 will be introduced on routes to North Asia / Japan in a leisure configuration. NZCAA EDTO regulations require 12 months of
77 Post contains images PA515 : Not this weekend, unless you work for JQ New Zealand Daylight Time ends Sunday 7th April 2013. PA515
78 Post contains images NZ107 : Haha whoops.. Guess I work for JQ!
79 Post contains images ZKSUJ : Classic
80 sunrisevalley : Doing further research, then if 3650nm holds up it should do it. Remember westbound is 6hr 30min or about 3100nm ESAD. But the 185-seats will not cut
81 nz2 : Hi guys I am about to book some seats for the wife and I in PE on the 772 AKL/HNL. Do the bulkead (centre) seats have reasonable leg room? I am keen o
82 ZKEOJ : The Thai Prime Minister received an Honorary Doctorate at AUT on Saturday, just a day after the NZ Prime Minister opened a brand new building at AUT.
83 Post contains images zkojq : Thanks for the info. I thought that involved taking a payload hit? I could be wrong though. Keep in mind also that Qantas' A330 fleet (MSN 887, 892,
84 SYDAIRPORTS : Don't think any Australians would go alll the way to Queenstown for a weekend.
85 777ER : Well thats what frequently happens! Queenstown and Christchurch are a popular Australian winter holiday destination with the ski fields being only a
86 sunrisevalley : I believe QF were flying the 233t version at that time. If so they were good for about 30t westbound LAX-AKL which allowed a healthy spread from the
87 Post contains images NZ107 : CBR?
88 777ER : I was talking about direct flights mostly but yes CBR and then better also add ADL and CNS for Central North Island ski fields
89 zkncj : NZ website will not allow you to book something as simple as AKL-ZQN-SYD-AKL on a single ticket.
90 777ER : Why wouldn't anyone want to fly AKL-ZQN-SYD-AKL?
91 NZ107 : Not that you need them on a single ticket.. A travel agent could do it if you really wanted it on one ticket.
92 zkncj : When you fly AKL-SYD-AKL around 10x a year it, it starts to get a tad boring!
93 nzrich : It sure does just click a multi booking then after that an international one and it will do it !!
94 NZ107 : Umm.. ROT and BNE are the only points that pop up for me..[Edited 2013-03-30 01:46:19]
95 nz2 : Need some help from experts about earning status points (Koruman?) I need to fly to SIN at short notice this week. Would I be better going via BNE on
96 NZ107 : IIRC you can only earn status points on codeshared *A partners (exception being VA?) - EY isn't a *A member so you wouldn't get any status points. Th
97 Post contains links 777ER : Status Points are only earned on Star members, VA's Tasman service with NZ flight number and CX services with NZ flight number. Airpoints are earned
98 zkncj : They only option it gives is ROT, not really as fun as ZQN
99 koruman : NZ2 The Etihad code shares are as useless as the Virgin Atlantic ones: zero status earning. Be careful too with SQ, as Status earning is fine but Airp
100 Post contains links KiwiRob : they do, NZ even increases flights over the winter period to cater for the demand. http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/press...n-more-tasman-and-domestic-
101 texan : Beech Baron carrying 2degrees CEO crashed into the ocean and both he and his wife are missing, presumed dead. Rest in peace. Texan
102 ZKEOJ : Hi Guys does The Works trans-Tasman (AKL-OOL) earn 30 or 50 status points? If I didn't get it wrong the accrual table (ticketed after 24 Feb) onlt tal
103 Post contains links SYDAIRPORTS : No one is going to go to all that trouble & expense for 1 day of skiing. The above only works for CHC & Mt Hutt. You can't depart Australia F
104 nz2 : Thanks all for advice!
105 NZ107 : There are two options - you either buy "the works" or you select the flexible option for "the works", which is another $100+. I think that's the diff
106 ZKEOJ : Thanks, NZ107. I have a ticket (bought by my employer) with Seat&Bag, and can upgrade online to The Works for $30. I guess that would be only the
107 777ER : Well then the same could be said for New Zealanders who drive to a ski field on friday evening/saturday morning and return sunday night in time for w
108 koruman : SYDAIRPORTS Have you never heard of Rostered Days Off? I can't ski, but a friend from the Gold Coast is using one day annual leave and an RDO this Aug
109 Post contains links NZ1 : Air Pacific flew their new A330 into AKL today in the new Fiji Airways livery. I like it, but still thinks it lacks a little colour. I suppose the sam
110 NZ107 : Savour the sight of the FJ 744 until the end of June, when it gets pulled from AKL routes.
111 nascarnut : There is talk circulating around airport that EK will be adding 3rd A380 into AKL. EK434/435 DXB-BNE-AKL-BNE-DXB will be upgauged to an A380 in Octobe
112 NZ107 : Well, I wouldn't be too surprised.. They need to get onto building the next 2 gates on Pier B ASAP. Imagine if Gate 10 gets held up by the late opera
113 aerorobnz : US Flights have priority over EK 380s for those gates. They would just have to delay/tow off EK - the other airlines at AKL will insist... The mind b
114 NZ107 : I'm sure the rest of Pier B (both sides) can be completed in the time it takes between ordering and EIS, if NZ happened to do that. But they really n
115 ZKSUJ : Knowing AIAL, they wont do anything until it's too late. Seems to be very reactive in their approach when compared to places like SIN where they devel
116 Post contains links 777ER : This is currently also being discussed in the Australian Aviation Threads. Apparantly BNE is getting the A380 at the expense of PER Yesterday at Well
117 QF175 : Correct, the plan is for A380 services to commence operating DXB-BNE-AKL from 01OCT13
118 NZ107 : I think something like this puts the whole "you must maintain or increase capacity on the Tasman sectors" requirement in the QF/EK alliance to ridicu
119 Post contains images aerorobnz : They struggled to have pier B up and running in time for the first A380 and also to meet US DoT/CAA passenger segregation requirements, I think they
120 sunrisevalley : Isn't the problem due to the ownership structure of the AIAL ? The municipalities look upon it as a cash cow when more of the cash surplus each year
121 ZKSUJ : Put a smile on my face and sums it up perfectly. AKL is a mess, the company really needs to stop being a shopping center and focus more on what it's
122 sunrisevalley : Who has a gun in their back to force them to shape up. Nobody! Nothing short of a change of ownership of the facility will change things. The governm
123 zkncj : Knowing the way that AKL runs they will just get the extra A380 service to use stairs and buses, they do it for 77Ws at times so hey why not a A380! T
124 ZKSUJ : A couple more regional gates are to be added is what I'm told. Those are the gates that are really short. I agree with you, all needs to be 1 termina
125 KiwiRob : Brand new terminal that handles everything under the one roof, OSL would be a fine example to copy.
126 nascarnut : At times it looks like they are trying to squeeze a square peg into a round hole. On a regular basis a Dash may sit for 10 minutes on the taxiway wai
127 ZKSUJ : I've had waits longer than 10 mins (not exaggerating), it's a joke. As I said apparantly a couple more gates for these aircraft will be up and runnin
128 zkncj : Just booked a AKL-WLG-AKL return for $2 with a 65minute connection in WLG, Haven't done it in a while. Can't remeber what will happen in my AKL-WLG fl
129 Post contains images NZ107 : They have a chance to improve post-US screening facilities.. I wouldn't expect them to have changed since I flew out of Gate 6 in 2010. Luckily there
130 777ER : NZ have to put you on the next possible service, even if its via say PMR or HLZ, if its the next day then they have to put you in a hotel for the nig
131 zkncj : Cool, couldn't remember if they cover me for doing turn around like that
132 Mr AirNZ : As long as it's all on one ticket then like 777ER says, your fine. If they are booked separately though then you are on your own.
133 zkncj : Single booking, I'm arriving at 12:50 and flying out at 1:55 done 75minute turn around for Status Points before the days of the CHC Quakes.
134 777ER : Those status points runs can be fun especially if its done for next too nothing. I've already got my current status renewed till August 2014 so I'm n
135 777ER : Does anyone know if NZ, VA or QF are putting on extra services into WLG on April 25th for the ANZAC day AFL match between Sydney and Melbourne at West
136 aerorobnz : Just crossed over to the dark side for a random logbook run.... Booked a ticket to SYD for next month on EK for $397 tax inclusive - That's $98 one wa
137 NZ107 : Very good value! Good luck in getting a new A380.. The IFE is super impressive, even compared to the one in their older A380s.. It seems like a lotte
138 xiaotung : A local Guangzhou newspaper has reported that China Southern is studying to launch either CHC or WLG shortly. I don't think WLG runway is long enough
139 NZ107 : Via Australia and it would seem viable.. Though I'm not sure if CAN was the Asian port many Wellingtonians had in mind for direct flights.. Beggars c
140 Post contains links WSTAKL : http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...Airport-unveils-40m-terminal-plans Mr Thomas said the airport company would spend $100m on infrastructure in th
141 Post contains links and images A330NZ : http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2013-04/10/content_16387949.htm This article here says both! While that would be nice, I think it only one city wil
142 aerorobnz : As long as it isn't EDC on either flight I'll be happy, and hopefully 2 newbies.
143 NZ107 : Gotta love their ambitions though.. An Air NZ 744 in the background!? Just as long as the views from the Koru Lounge aren't affected, it sounds decen
144 zkncj : The Lounge Shouldn't be effected at all, as they main part of the upgrade is next to the current check-in area. So the lounge will lose its view of t
145 aerorobnz : At least one New Zealand Airport has ambitions that involve airport infrastructure first, and shopping malls second...
146 ZKEOJ : Hi All does anybody know if QF charges a credit card fee or booking fee? The fare is the same as through expedia, and expedia has no additional fees.
147 777ER : Heard about WLGs upgrade on the radio early this afternoon. Happy the next part of their 30 year plan is about to start. The plan of having one AVSEC
148 zkncj : Would it really be that much of an issue? in the end its going to save the family about 30minutes of parking at WLG.
149 777ER : No it certainly isn't an issue and I certainly wasn't saying it would be. Was just saying what made WLG a great airport passenger/visitor wise
150 CHCalfonzo : If they launched both it would have to be a CAN-WLG-CHC-CAN routing, an A330 wouldn't manage the 5165NM WLG-CAN without a massive payload hit. There
151 ZKSUJ : No runway extension plans as far as I'm aware so I presume CZ would only go to WLG as a TT tag on. Good news on the domestic expansion though, wish A
152 777ER : Maybe a CAN-WLG-SYD/BNE/MEL-CAN 3x weekly with a CAN-CHC-CAN 4x weekly or vice versa?
153 NZ107 : I know they charge a fee for domestic Australian flights but I'm not too sure about TT flights. But when you're paying by AUD if you're travelling do
154 zkncj : Auckland put on Tenders early this year for work to start on July at Domestic. Work includes more regional gates, upgraded single Jet airside with mo
155 Post contains images ZKEOJ : Thanks, NZ107! The gift voucer is a great idea. In this case, I am doing TT, but I'll keep it in mind for future domestic bookings in OZ.. Cheers mich
156 NZ107 : But not a whole new terminal, which is pretty much what's needed.. At least WLG is a proper terminal and not an old cargo shed which happened to be i
157 zkncj : Will never happen while NZ is the main national airline, they are far to cheap to put anything towards it/ they wouldn't want to pay the increased le
158 sunrisevalley : Before this you need plans. Have there ever been plans drawn for a new domestic terminal at AKL ?
159 NZ107 : Yes. It all fits in with their "2025 Master Plan" to have the 2nd runway built and new terminal over there. It might end up being a 2050 master plan.
160 zkncj : Can't find the article, but they did say recently that the new domestic terminal project is now 50 years away!
161 ZKSUJ : Sad to know that I'm a few years shy of 30 and this will only happen after I reach retirement age... So the cargo shed will last another 50 years? I
162 sunrisevalley : From a passengers viewpoint do I get a significantly better experience from the very modern WLG domestic than from the 1960's AKL domestic. I am not
163 zkncj : Auckland Domestic has had some major improvements over the past 5 years, albeit most of the improvements only have benefits for NZ. When you look at
164 SYDAIRPORTS : that's 2 day skiing not 3. Almost impossible to ski am on Sunday & fly out. Apart from your rare example, people just don't do it. It's just too
165 SYDAIRPORTS : if fly BNE/SYD/ZQN/AKL/BNE is now a minimum of 50,000 QF points when a week or 2 was only 36,000. So a family of 6 now needs to find another 84,000 p
166 Mr AirNZ : I'm not a skier but do you know how many short breaks I have had over the years just by co-ordinating a weekend off with a days leave either side on
167 ZKSUJ : Well IMHO you do at Welly. Lack of gates at AKL for a start puts PAX arriving in peak times either late deplaning or boarding for those departing. In
168 777ER : I fully agree with your statements. I'll use WLG as the example in this as I havn't really experienced CHCs new domestic terminal in both situations.
169 zkncj : All-good wanting a new domestic terminal, but how would the public feel about paying at $5 domestic departure tax to pay for it? NZ is very unlikely t
170 ZKSUJ : Well tbh whether the public like it or not, they will have to pay it. People in NZ have no choice. PMR and HLZ had the domestic tax, it wasn't popula
171 zkncj : The problem with AIAL is that NZ is very powerful when it comes to getting what it wants. If AIAL we're to announce they we're going to charge a tax
172 ZKSUJ : Fair enough point, I see what you mean. Could'nt they find revenue in another stream though? Parking fees etc etc, after all that is how the company
173 Post contains links ZKOJH : ''Wellington 'not a good example of a safe airport''' Runway safety at New Zealand's third busiest airport has been called into question by an aviatio
174 Post contains links ZKOJH : interesting read about Airfares between AKL and IVC! People are choosing to drive hours to big-city airports, rather than fly out of their home bases,
175 aerokiwi : I think this is the crux of the issue. The fact is that AIAL are milking the motherload out of existing assets, which is fine, but is a fundamental f
176 zkncj : So what is IVC wanting? NZ to give them A320 services direct to Auckland? that will last a couple of months then see NZ completely pull out of IVC?.
177 Post contains images deconz : All true, but how NZ can justify 4 times the price is even beyond me!!! I wonder how expensive it would be for JQ to add a ZQN/IVC tag to one of thei
178 zkncj : Smaller airports have a much higher operating cost for the airlines, compared to larger airports where they are able to spread the cost over more pas
179 ZKSUJ : A good post, AIAL needs to get it's act together but I don't see them doing that anytime soon. It will be interesting to see how much they struggle i
180 PA515 : An IVC tag on would be 1 hr 50 mins. 25 mins each way, 30 mins on the ground at IVC and an another 30 mins at ZQN. IVC-DUD was 30 mins when NZ had th
181 nzrich : NZ does turn 733s in 30 min at DUD it all depends on the schedule every flight differs
182 deconz : I was thinking AKL/ZQN/IVC/AKL (or vice versa)
183 PA515 : Sorry to be pessimistic, but Air NZ did a late afternoon/early evening CHC-ZQN-IVC-CHC with the AT7 some years ago which only lasted about six months
184 Post contains links mariner : As in this thread, Air New Zealand and Turkish airlines have applied for code share with the US DOT. Air NZ - Turkish Airlines Plan Codeshares (by LAX
185 NZ107 : Still makes you wonder if/when TK will enter the Australian market. Though it's a highly interesting codeshare; especially the LAX-IST route. The LHR
186 sunrisevalley : I wonder if Aerorobnz had any part in this . I recollect that he is a keen TK proponent. Anyway it is good to see such an arrangement with a class ope
187 Post contains images aerorobnz : I'm happy too, as TK is my preferred airline to fly longhaul in Y & PE. I hope the PE fares are competitive though, as I suspect they'll be more
188 Post contains images NZ107 : And the NZ move to TBIT will make it easier for connections.. Though they're both really long flights compared to a modest hop to HKG and then down t
189 aerorobnz : It's pretty reasonable to get status and redemption to all the places TK flies is probably pretty useful... The *G Lounge in IST is excellent. Best I
190 kiwirob : I'll second that, great food, impressive drinks selection and I like the theatre.
191 mariner : If this is an example Mr. Luxon's thinking we're in for some interesting times - hallelujah! I think it is innovative and smart and allies Air NZ to
192 aerorobnz : Yes, the next few years have plenty to look forward to. NZ has gone from being a stagnant pond, to being a bubbling spring again. There's plenty more
193 Post contains links 777ER : JQ is cancelling 300 flights in May and June due to the low season. AKL-WLG is affected the most. http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...cans-300-flig
194 Post contains images NZ107 : Since when do you trust stuff which comes out of Bangladesh?
195 ZKSUJ : I was reading the airline rankings today and notice NZ have slipped 12 places in the past 2 years on skytrax. We were number 5 in 2010 and are now nu
196 Post contains links and images mariner : There's surely a market: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austral...Aussie-couples-eye-NZ-wedding-vows "Same-sex Aussie couples eye NZ wedding vows Busin
197 Kaiarahi : In testimony before the U.S. Senate, the FAA Administrator confirmed that the 787 ETOPS certification is under review: "Coincident with [the battery]
198 sunrisevalley : Happy to oblige.. we know that something greater than 180-min. saves about 300km on LAX-AKL. If southbound the equator is crossed at W162 the airway
199 aerorobnz : NZ 787 ops will almost certainly be to the EH destinations like HKG/NRT/PVG while 777s will fly to the WH like LAX/SFO/YVR/South America. Reduced to
200 Post contains links CHCalfonzo : Link - Youtube This video was recently added to YouTube. JustPlanes video of a Freedom Air 737 landing on the rarely used RWY11 at CHC.
201 NZ107 : Thanks for sharing! Also used the awesome stair stand too.. I remember watching a few planes come in from the observation deck. Good times..
202 alangirvan : I was in an AirNZ 767-200ER which landed on that runway in the late 80s. There was a Qantas Captain who did a take off on the runway in a 747, which
203 kiwirob : But if gay marriage is still illegial in Aussie would a gay marriage in NZ be worth anything, it still wouldn't be recognised in Australia would it?
204 Post contains links mariner : It wouldn't be recognized as a marriage in Australia, although the Greens are introducing a private member's bill bill to change that. http://www.odt
205 IndianicWorld : A gay marriage won't be recognised in Australia, as hard as the Greens try and change that. They are not a significant force and will likely be even l
206 Post contains images mariner : Not yet, no, and I can't predict the future. However, since marriage equality is official Labor policy - despite Ms. Gillard - I doubt the issue is g
207 TheCommodore : Can Australians Marry in NZ if they are not residents ? I think that is the case in the Netherlands too, where one of the couple, must be of Dutch na
208 Post contains links mariner : http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/nati...in-new-zealand-20130417-2i0m9.html "Australian couples will be free to marry in New Zealand because marriage la
209 TheCommodore : Thanks Mariner Yes I knew about having an Australian Passport and residency in NZ. Just wasn't sure about this new Gay marriage bill, and its limitat
210 Post contains links nzrich : Newest route for Air NZ and CHC Trial for direct flights between CHC and PER http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/bus...Direct-Chch-Perth-flights-trialled
211 Post contains images aerorobnz : A mission for a sharklet fitted intl A320 perhaps... I have often thought that there was a market for it, given that half a perth flight is from West
212 xiaotung : This will be a B767 route. These B767s must be the most utilised aircraft in the fleet.
213 NZ107 : But I thought the sharkletted A320s were heading to the domestic fleet.... Have they changed their minds again?
214 ZKSUJ : I was under the impression these were heading to the Tasman replacing the current 320's which will be the ones replacing the 733s on the domestic fle
215 Post contains links CHCalfonzo : Fantastic news! Well done NZ and CHC. The schedule appears to be: NZ161 CHC PER 15:40 18:00 36 763 NZ162 PER CHC 19:10 06:20 36 763 The press release
216 Mr AirNZ : No. Sharklets or not, an A320 would not have the range. The Sharklet aircraft are solely for domestic ops.
217 xiaotung : This is a good start. Business Class is returning to ports other than AKL for the first time since the introduction of S2S. Perhaps this will prompt
218 gasman : Dear Sweet Mother of All that is Pure and Holy, please let this be so. Endured another trans-tasman flight in "works deluxe" on a ratty A320 yesterda
219 NZ107 : They're easily the most flexible in the fleet.. They are able to go anywhere on the current route map apart from non-stop to America and obviously LH
220 aerorobnz : It has the range according to the airbus website. What it does not have is the range to return to ADL if PER is below limits, The same reason why PPT
221 ZK-NBT : 739ER, whats the performance of it? A321NEO? Interesting route all the same, I wonder where the 763 capacity will come from? I wonder if GA will soon
222 NZ107 : Maybe from throwing on a 772 on another AKL-SYD if there's room.. Or 744 if they're desperate? The fact that it's only 2x weekly means that it'd sure
223 zkncj : Probably AKL-SYD-AKL, I have noticed allot more 772/77W are appearing on this route. Even some days NZ108 is now a 77W/772
224 Post contains links mariner : US Airways is not convinced: http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/us-airways-757-problem/ "US Airways has a large fleet of aging Boeing 757s it
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