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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 125  
User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 26
Posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 19119 times:
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Continuation from the last thread which can be found here: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 124 (by 777ER Feb 10 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 19022 times:

Does anyone know why QF38 (supposed to go from Wellington to Melbourne) has diverted?

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User currently offlinehaggis73 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 18904 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 1):
Does anyone know why QF38 (supposed to go from Wellington to Melbourne) has diverted?

Diverted for fuel. WLG is on fuel allocation.


User currently offlinenz2 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2007, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 18563 times:

If you were GE as opposed to G you could access R inventory now for a Recognition Upgrade, but in spite of the spin we now know that your Recognition inventory at 72 hours will be whatever hasn't been OneUp'd, so my advice is just request to use a Recognition if your OneUp is rejected.

Thanks for feedback Koruman


User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 18555 times:

TN is dumping seats AKL/LAX/AKL in Christmas school holiday period, at least as part of a MEL/AKL/PPT/LAX ticket.

Saw a cheap airfare MEL/LAX on www.gumtree.com.au of all places & when went to compare on www.webjet.com.au & QF fare came up, but it was only QF MEL/AKL/MEL (with overnight accommodation at AKL on way over not included) & TN rest of way for just over AUD$2k inc taxes. Still cheap if don't mind spending night at AKL & going 2 stops in each direction. QF nonstops were $3375 & VA $3200.

How are TN going ? Weren't they in trouble financially recently ?


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6902 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 18539 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 4):
How are TN going ? Weren't they in trouble financially recently ?

Every year since they began they have been in a constant state of financial trouble.

As far as the TN fare goes, unless the days they operate work for you I probably wouldn't consider it from Australia, just from AKL.


User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 18533 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 5):
Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 4):
How are TN going ? Weren't they in trouble financially recently ?


Every year since they began they have been in a constant state of financial trouble.

As far as the TN fare goes, unless the days they operate work for you I probably wouldn't consider it from Australia, just from AKL.

In a way TN is similar to FJ. FJ now back in profit. So what are FJ doing that TN is not ?


Think TN used to fly from SYD, but now think only AKL/PPT. Surely their A343's would have legs to fly nonstop PPT/SYD with a full load ?

Then if they did that they could offer SYD/LAX direct via PPT with PPT stopover options.

Even if they flew nonstop SYD/PPT twice a week with other options via AKL it would be vast improvement.

People don't mind one stop but 2 with a compulsory overnight is a bit of a stretch.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6902 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 18482 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 6):
So what are FJ doing that TN is not ?

FJ have the right aircraft for the right jobs, and they are moving forward to replace the weakpoints (read 744s). TN have a ridiculous fleet for what they use them for AND they show no sign of digging themselves out by ordering a better fleet for their requirements. With the A32xNEO on the horizon that is what they should be focussing on for the South Pacific services to AKL/SYD/BNE/MEL/NAN/HNL and something in the 763/788/332 size for flights like HKG/NRT/PVG/LAX/CDG.

My dream scenario is a predatory takeover by NZ of both FJ & TN which involves a full disestablishment of both their businesses, and the set up of a Pacific subsidiary that uses NZ for fleet bargaining, maintenance and fleet commonality with the greater NZ fleet.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24641 posts, RR: 86
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 18444 times:
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Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 7):
My dream scenario is a predatory takeover by NZ of both FJ & TN which involves a full disestablishment of both their businesses, and the set up of a Pacific subsidiary that uses NZ for fleet bargaining, maintenance and fleet commonality with the greater NZ fleet.

  

I'm with you on that, or something close to it.

I hoped the Virgin Blue/Polynesian deal might become a model for some of the smaller island airlines.

mariner

[Edited 2013-03-20 20:44:13]


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User currently offlineDavidByrne From New Zealand, joined Sep 2007, 1610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 18426 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 7):
My dream scenario is a predatory takeover by NZ of both FJ & TN which involves a full disestablishment of both their businesses, and the set up of a Pacific subsidiary that uses NZ for fleet bargaining, maintenance and fleet commonality with the greater NZ fleet.

I'm with you on this as well, though the politics of running an airline in the islands is fraught with difficulty - different difficulties for different islands,as we have seen recently with Chatham Pacific and the Tongan government. Fiji is hardly the most stable place to do business right now, and French Polynesia would surely require some kind of "deal" to ensure ongoing support for its tourist industry - which might make any takeover rather less appealing. But notwithstanding, I think the idea has considerable merit in principle.

I still also harbour dreams that NZ might set up a subsidiary with a single Q300 to connect the islands along the old Coral route and also to feed the sole remaining service from the islands to LAX at RAR. NAN-APW-IUE-RAR-PPT anyone? Or K'man's RAR-BOB perhaps? But these dreams are probably just about as far-fetched . . .



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User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 18425 times:

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 9):
My dream scenario is a predatory takeover by NZ of both FJ & TN which involves a full disestablishment of both their businesses, and the set up of a Pacific subsidiary that uses NZ for fleet bargaining, maintenance and fleet commonality with the greater NZ fleet.

NZ ?

Aren't you dreaming.

NZ had to be bailed out by the govt after Ansett debacle. You guys have short memories.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24641 posts, RR: 86
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 18410 times:
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Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 10):
NZ had to be bailed out by the govt after Ansett debacle. You guys have short memories.

And has been profitable virtually ever since. The last reported profit a couple of weeks ago bested Virgin Australia by some scores of millions and - relative to ROI - may have bested Qantas:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...363153/Air-NZ-interim-profit-soars

"Air NZ interim profit soars

Air New Zealand says it is back in "growth mode" after declaring a huge improvement in half-year net profit to $100 million, up from $38m at the same time last year."


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User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 18341 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 11):

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 10):
NZ had to be bailed out by the govt after Ansett debacle. You guys have short memories.

And has been profitable virtually ever since.

shouldn't that be offset by losses previously ?


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24641 posts, RR: 86
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 18322 times:
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Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 12):
shouldn't that be offset by losses previously ?

Why - and what losses previously?

i thought we were talking about now and the recent past, not the dark ages before re-nationalization. Unlike Qantas and Virgin Australia, Air NZ remained profitable throughout the GFC.

mariner

[Edited 2013-03-20 23:14:05]


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User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 18228 times:

just had a look at fares to Queenstown in August form Brisbane. Will virtually no competition (Qantas only has 1 flight for about 2 months in winter) fares seem to have increased a lot. AUD$862 on Virgin/Air NZ. For $200 more can go to LAX.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 18219 times:
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Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 10):

NZ has a modern fleet better suited to its operating conditions with no extra costs involved, unlike AN and TN. TNs A340 fleet is like NZs B744 fleet (which is now down to only two frames pending arrival of more long haul aircraft) and that is being fuel hungry. NZs 777 fleet costs way less to run then A340s.

A340s arn't suitable for TN operations due to their higher costs

Quoting mariner (Reply 13):
Unlike Qantas and Virgin Australia, Air NZ remained profitable throughout the GFC.

         Because NZ was able to change its operations better then QF and VA.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 18157 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 15):
A340s arn't suitable for TN operations due to their higher costs

That's true but the only reason TN got 340s to start off with was due to being a new start up carrier and not having the ability to operate twins due to ETOPs requirements until it has been proven their maintianence program is reliable. I'm not sure if this has been proven yet but if not, then the 340 is pretty much their only choice, PPT being so isolated from anywhere else.

I'm sure given the choice years ago they would have rather operated 767s or 777s


User currently offlinekoruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 3528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 18148 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 7):
My dream scenario is a predatory takeover by NZ of both FJ & TN which involves a full disestablishment of both their businesses, and the set up of a Pacific subsidiary that uses NZ for fleet bargaining, maintenance and fleet commonality with the greater NZ fleet.
Quoting mariner (Reply 8):
I'm with you on that, or something close to it.
Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 9):
I'm with you on this as well

I sort of agree.

The main common need is to for Air Tahiti Nui, Fiji Air, Air Calin and Air New Zealand to merge their China and Japan operations, as all four airlines need the Asian market, but none of them can make the routes viable on their own.

I've previously shown how I'd do that:




It's got to make more sense than parallel losses operating



User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6669 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 18052 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 14):
For $200 more can go to LAX.

You can't ski in LA and the scenery is knowhere near as pretty.


User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 18049 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 18):
For $200 more can go to LAX.

You can't ski in LA and the scenery is knowhere near as pretty.

the point being, people will weigh up the fact that flying 3+ hours to Queenstown is not much less than 13-15 hours to LAX.

Those people who aren't necessarily looking for a ski holiday, just a holiday, might, in a lot o cases, go LAX is much better value & so go there instead.

On the other hand, there are many hundreds of Qantas frequent flyer seats into ZQN from SYD & MEL with connections from BNE, but Qantas makes these hard to find, ie. if for example, you search for BNE/ZQN on Qantas website for frequent flyer seats, the only options that appear, will be via AKL with an overnight & same day flights won't show up.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6669 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 18030 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 19):
the point being, people will weigh up the fact that flying 3+ hours to Queenstown is not much less than 13-15 hours to LAX.

But if they only want to go for a long weekends skiing holiday in Queenstown (which is what most Aussies going to Queenstown are going to do) won't be in the market for a trip to LA.


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 843 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 18018 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 19):
On the other hand, there are many hundreds of Qantas frequent flyer seats into ZQN from SYD & MEL with connections from BNE, but Qantas makes these hard to find, ie. if for example, you search for BNE/ZQN on Qantas website for frequent flyer seats, the only options that appear, will be via AKL with an overnight & same day flights won't show up.

This shouldn't be a problem for someone living in DRW, like yourself who could travel via SYD or MEL, but it could be a pain for a BNE resident wanting Simplicity. Someone from BNE once suggested flights to IVC were the answer  

PA515


User currently offlineaklrno From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 17651 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 18):
You can't ski in LA and the scenery is knowhere near as pretty.

For about $90 you can walk to the next terminal over and fly Southwest to Reno. Better skiing than in NZ (I've done both, and I'm skiing in the Sierra tomorrow morning.)


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 843 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17570 times:

Apparently the next ATR72-600 for Air New Zealand (ZK-MVC) will be c/n 1084.

www.planespotters.net/Production_List/ATR/ATR-42/index.php?p=11

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User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2634 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 17558 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 21):
This shouldn't be a problem for someone living in DRW, like yourself who could travel via SYD or MEL, but it could be a pain for a BNE resident wanting Simplicity.

Haha!

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 14):
Will virtually no competition (Qantas only has 1 flight for about 2 months in winter) fares seem to have increased a lot. AUD$862 on Virgin/Air NZ. For $200 more can go to LAX.

Did Virgin fly this separately prior to the "merger"? If so, I agree it's probably a casualty of what really was a highly anticompetitive move by NZ and VA. Though they are able to charge that much because of demand, driven in large part by well (over?) paid Queenslanders seeking some snow.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6669 posts, RR: 3
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 17649 times:

Quoting aklrno (Reply 22):
For about $90 you can walk to the next terminal over and fly Southwest to Reno. Better skiing than in NZ (I've done both, and I'm skiing in the Sierra tomorrow morning.)

But that's not a weekend trip, you can't fly to LA on a Friday night, have two days skiing then fly back Sunday night ready for work Monday morning, which is what a lot of Aussies flying to Queenstown during winter do.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2786 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 17618 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 17):
The main common need is to for Air Tahiti Nui, Fiji Air, Air Calin and Air New Zealand to merge their China and Japan operations, as all four airlines need the Asian market, but none of them can make the routes viable on their own.

As much as this makes sense, most of this has to do with both prestige and employment generation in their respective countries. Such a move would be a weakening in both aspects unfortunately to a few of the smaller countries.

Such a hub would definitely strengthen the ability to make profits though.


User currently offlinekoruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 3528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17830 times:

In what way is Air Pacific like Air Tahiti Nui?

The former derives almost 70% of its passengers from Australia, the latter sources fewer than 5% of its passengers from that market.

They could develop similar Asian interests, but their existing markets could hardly be more different.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24641 posts, RR: 86
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 17808 times:
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Quoting koruman (Reply 27):
The former derives almost 70% of its passengers from Australia, the latter sources fewer than 5% of its passengers from that market.


Hmmmm? Tahiti appears to be a growth market for Australians - this is dated March 2013:

http://www.dailymercury.com.au/news/...ter-chill-tropical-tahiti/1797983/

"According to annual tourism figures, Australian visitor numbers to Tahiti increased 24 per cent in 2012 - the third largest increase experienced by any international destination last year.

"The last time we saw Australian visitors around this mark was before the GFC so we couldn't be more thrilled," Tahiti Tourisme Australia Director Robert Thompson said.

"From what we've already seen this year and looking at forward bookings, it's a trend that we expect to continue throughout 2013."


This dated September 2012:

http://www.etravelblackboardasia.com...tahiti-attracting-affluent-aussies

"Tahiti attracting ‘affluent’ Aussies

Tahiti Tourisme has reported a 26 percent increase in the number of Australian visitors to French Polynesia for the first half of the year, compared to the period in 2011.

The Australian Bureau of Statistics revealed that French Polynesia experienced the largest growth in Australian travellers across all international destinations during the last financial year, rising 43 percent."


And 2011 was pretty good, too:

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic...he_good_news-French_Polynesia.html

"In April, the number of Australian visitors has practically doubled with 86.5 percent more visitors from this market and New Zealand visitors are coming back in force with a record 103 per cent increase compared to the same month in 2010."

mariner



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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 26
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 17457 times:
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Air NZ are dropping domestic standby travel effective 6th May. I guess it wasn't as lucrative as first thought.

http://www.theflyingsocialnetwork.com/archives/13174

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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6902 posts, RR: 13
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 17391 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 29):
Air NZ are dropping domestic standby travel effective 6th May. I guess it wasn't as lucrative as first thought.

More grabaseats though, people in N.Z didn't really pick up and run with standby fares as first thought...Personally I think if the grabaseat site wasn't such a major thing for NZers it might have been more popular, but the standby fare was not the best option when you could often get standard fare for not much more than standby and be guaranteed to go.


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2634 posts, RR: 4
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 17369 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 29):
Air NZ are dropping domestic standby travel effective 6th May. I guess it wasn't as lucrative as first thought.

That's a shame, seemed like a good idea. As geeky as it sounds, the measures of its effectiveness would be fascinating to see. Did it fill otherwise empty seats? Did it cannibalise higher fares? From memory, they did raise the fares from $49 to $69, which probably didn't help. I think it proved useful for some Cantabrians needing to escape their situation post-earthquake though.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 17357 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 30):
More grabaseats though, people in N.Z didn't really pick up and run with standby fares as first thought..

Standby fares really took off in the regions. Constantly a queue at the terminals, was a successful venture I would have thought

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 31):
Did it fill otherwise empty seats?

Yes it did. A few flights I've been on have been filled to capacity thanks to SBY fares. Seats would have otherwise gone out empty. Whether or not it was worth it economically I don't know, but it proved popular with the public (at least in the regional ports that I'm thinking of)

I'm wondering if the reason for standbys being scrapped has more to do with it being hard to deal with from a staff perspective rather than lack of popularity


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6902 posts, RR: 13
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 17287 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 32):
I'm wondering if the reason for standbys being scrapped has more to do with it being hard to deal with from a staff perspective rather than lack of popularity

I am fairly confident that was not the reason. A firm ticket was always obtainable for staff regardless of commercial standby, often for cheaper than standard staff standby. Personally speaking I never travel on standby staff tickets domestically.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 17243 times:
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Quoting NZ1 (Reply 29):

I think its sad that NZ is stopping a great idea like stand by fares. NZs reason on twitter was that passengers prefered a confirmed ticket instead of not knowing if they would travel. If passengers liked a confirmed ticket then they could have easily purchased a full class fare (which NZ would certainly prefer) but for passengers needing to make last minute travel/emergency plans the stand by fares for last minute bookings were excellent. Just wish NZ offered at least status points on stand by fares since all the other fares earned status points


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17208 times:
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IVC is set to receive all NZ international stop over flights from ZQN this winter for fuel top ups after NZ trialed IVC as a fuel stop over destination last winter. NZ Employees/aircraft fuelers have been trained on working with A320s. Sending the A320s to IVC saves the flight 1 hour flying time compared to sending the A320 to CHC as previously done

http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-tim...Airport-set-to-host-more-stopovers


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4614 posts, RR: 5
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 17112 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 35):
IVC is set to receive all NZ international stop over flights from ZQN this winter for fuel top ups after NZ trialed IVC as a fuel stop over destination last winter

What are the specific weather conditions ( or their effect) that require a reduction in fuel load ( thus TOW ) for a ZQN- Aus sector?


User currently offlineUnclekoru From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 17107 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 33):
I am fairly confident that was not the reason. A firm ticket was always obtainable for staff regardless of commercial standby, often for cheaper than standard staff standby. Personally speaking I never travel on standby staff tickets domestically.

I took from ZKSUJs comment that he was questioning weather it took a comparatively large amount of staffing resource to process the standby passengers, rather than any impact on staff travel 'privileges".



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 38, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 16923 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 33):
I am fairly confident that was not the reason. A firm ticket was always obtainable for staff regardless of commercial standby, often for cheaper than standard staff standby

Staff travel privilleges hadn't crossed my when I wrote up that comment. I was thinking of SBY fares on a few occasions leading to more work for staff before departure. Are these tickets worth the extra hassle for the company?
Once again it's my take on it. Could be totally off the ball

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 37):
I took from ZKSUJs comment that he was questioning weather it took a comparatively large amount of staffing resource to process the standby passengers, rather than any impact on staff travel 'privileges".

Exactly my point

[Edited 2013-03-23 19:23:45]

[Edited 2013-03-23 19:47:14]

User currently offlinetaieridrome From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 16775 times:

Have just noticed a very long and impressive contrail over CHC. Not too unusual to see these except this one was coming from the east (from direction of Port Hills) and heading in a westerly direction. Possibly from South America somewhere heading for Australia?? Would have a guess and say 30,000 ft ++

User currently onlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 16774 times:

Quoting taieridrome (Reply 39):
Have just noticed a very long and impressive contrail over CHC. Not too unusual to see these except this one was coming from the east (from direction of Port Hills) and heading in a westerly direction. Possibly from South America somewhere heading for Australia?? Would have a guess and say 30,000 ft ++

it was QF28 SCL/SYD ... http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/qf28


User currently offlinetaieridrome From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 16747 times:

Thanks for the quick response. Is this the usual track or is weather dictating otherwise?

User currently onlinedeconz From New Zealand, joined Nov 2010, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 16667 times:

Quoting taieridrome (Reply 41):
Thanks for the quick response. Is this the usual track or is weather dictating otherwise?

It's often much further south. I'm NZNV1 close to IVC and often catch her going over and coming back  


User currently offlineaotearoa From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16600 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 36):

It is more often related to a number of factors, not just the ZQN weather.

Here is an example. If a ZQN BNE flight has to carry additional fuel for a more distant alternate airport like SYDNEY instead of a typically closer airport like OOL, than this extra fuel can easily amount to an additional 2000kgs.

Combine this with a full load of pax and baggage, then throw in a wet runway, low atmospheric pressure and no headwind on the takeoff runway and the total aircraft weight can exceed the maximum for the conditions.

This normally occurred on RWY 05 in the past, as this runway had more significant obstacles in play that restricted the weight more than RWY 23. However, new RNP based procedures were put in place last November that now deliver significantly more weight on RWY 05.

Still, if all the factors line up, an IVC technical stop makes sense. Roll out the red carpet Tim!


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6902 posts, RR: 13
Reply 44, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16541 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 38):
. I was thinking of SBY fares on a few occasions leading to more work for staff before departure. Are these tickets worth the extra hassle for the company?

Nah, not really much extra work from a passenger handling perspective - standby go where they're put, no need for seat preferences and no guaranteed seat meaning that you can leave them behind/inhibit certain flights/insist cabin luggage only if it poses a risk to departure OTP/MTOW etc.

From a baggage/loading perspective potentially yes it may present a time limitation getting standby bags from check in to gate, and loaded but if I'm honest it isn't really that much extra work over and above what they have to do anyway


User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 16205 times:

The Sultan of Brunei's private 767 is at WLG if any Welly spotters want to get a few shots of it.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 46, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16161 times:
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Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 45):

Any idea when it departs? This aircrafts been at WLG several times previously but I've never had my camera on me  


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 47, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16125 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 46):
Any idea when it departs? This aircrafts been at WLG several times previously but I've never had my camera on me

The news says hes here for 4 days, so I presume Thursday


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 48, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16107 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 47):

Sweet, thanks. Plenty of chances to get out to WLG.

Anyone have any idea where its parked?


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 49, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15969 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 48):
Anyone have any idea where its parked?

I'm there on Wednesday, let you know then if no one else does before hand


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 50, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 15921 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 45):
The Sultan of Brunei's private 767 is at WLG if any Welly spotters want to get a few shots of it.

I was spotting there yesterday..!



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15869 times:

Speaking of VIP aircraft, the Thai Prime Minister visited last week, does anyone know what she flew to get here? I know the Thai Government was using an A340-500 (HS-TLD?) for VIP flights at one stage, was this the case on the trip to NZ?

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 16):
the 340 is pretty much their only choice, PPT being so isolated from anywhere else.

   I think Tahiti to Japan would be a bit of a challenge for an A330. Air Calin seems to make NOU-KIX/NRT work though.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 52, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 15777 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 51):
Speaking of VIP aircraft, the Thai Prime Minister visited last week, does anyone know what she flew to get here? I know the Thai Government was using an A340-500 (HS-TLD?) for VIP flights at one stage, was this the case on the trip to NZ?

Flew either on the usual 772 flight or its own 772.. Nothing special. HS-TJW.



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 53, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15770 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 51):
Speaking of VIP aircraft, the Thai Prime Minister visited last week, does anyone know what she flew to get here? I know the Thai Government was using an A340-500 (HS-TLD?) for VIP flights at one stage, was this the case on the trip to NZ?

There were 2 TG 772s in AKL on sunday, 1 parked at a hard stand so maybe that was it? I was wondering why there were 2 TG aircraft there


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6902 posts, RR: 13
Reply 54, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15763 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 52):
Flew either on the usual 772 flight or its own 772.. Nothing special. HS-TJW

Additional flight, but usual aircraft. Flew back via POM


User currently offlineHLZCPH From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15752 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 53):
There were 2 TG 772s in AKL on sunday, 1 parked at a hard stand so maybe that was it? I was wondering why there were 2 TG aircraft there

It was parked on the Friday too. Only stood out to me as we took off to DUD behind the other departing TG 772.
Just thought it was related to the TG tyre issue a few days prior.



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6902 posts, RR: 13
Reply 56, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 15511 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 51):
I think Tahiti to Japan would be a bit of a challenge for an A330. Air Calin seems to make NOU-KIX/NRT work though.

If QF could fly AKL-LAX, at 6500mi and KE can fly ICN-NBO at 6250mi then TN could certainly use a 332 to fly PPT-NRT at 5863mi.


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Reply 57, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 15268 times:
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Took a (long) detour via WLG this evening while heading to work and the Royal Brunei is a B762, rego V8-MHB.


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Anyone know its departure time on Thursday?


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Reply 58, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 15229 times:
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Residents of PMR are complaining of NZs "rip off" fares - http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-stan...8/Airport-chief-gives-savings-tips

User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3038 posts, RR: 9
Reply 59, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15176 times:

I was at WLG this morning and didn't see the Sultan's Flight (it was still very dark). Anyone know where it's parked?

Also, on another matter, is the A321-NEO range capable for AKL-PER return unimpeded by restriction? Is NZ likely to utilise this aircraft to take over from the 763/772 or is it more likely to be the 789?

[Edited 2013-03-26 11:34:21]


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 60, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15102 times:
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Quoting motorhussy (Reply 59):

Parked outside the RNZAF base (right beside the road that runs beside the Southern runway)


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4614 posts, RR: 5
Reply 61, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14971 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 59):
Also, on another matter, is the A321-NEO range capable for AKL-PER return unimpeded by restriction?

The westbound sector ESAD of about 3100nm would be very close to max passenger load. This is generally considered not to be commercially viable. Standard passenger configuration of 185 leaves it considerably less than a 763 and if traffic is supporting a 772 with 300 seats then it would be a way short. Other than on other trans-Tasman routes where else would you use it ?


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24641 posts, RR: 86
Reply 62, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14973 times:
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Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 61):
Other than on other trans-Tasman routes where else would you use it ?

I would fall over in shock if the A321Neo were capable of AKL-PER, but I think it would be extremely useful AKL to the Pacific Islands.

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User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 14932 times:

Could one of the regular AKL spotters (NZ107 I'm looking at you!) tell me what time the Fedex MD-11F usually arrives in AKL on a Sunday? Heading up for a day's spotting and would like to get times sorted beforehand. Thanks

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 64, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14890 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 59):

Western Apron opposite the terminal. Don't know what vantage points you could use to see it though


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 65, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14855 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 63):

Possibly the last major landing before sunset if it's on time?

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 64):

Beacon Hill  

I wonder what the view is like from BK



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User currently offlineaerojoe From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14832 times:

I see stuff is reporting that the 787 may struggle to receive ETOPS any time soon. What does this mean for NZ's plans for 787 operations from 2014 and new routes?

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Reply 67, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14808 times:
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In Australia, the ACCC has given it's final approval to the Qantas Emirates deal, although it has made certain conditions with regard to the four common Trans Tasman routes:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/worl.../Qantas-Emirates-alliance-approved

"Qantas-Emirates alliance approved

The most contentious part of the deal has been for it to include routes between Australia and New Zealand.

As a condition of the approval, the regulator will force the airlines to maintain the level of capacity they had on four over-lapping trans-Tasman routes before the alliance."


BUT - the NZ part of the alliance, which starts in a few days, still needs the approval of the NZ Transport Minister:

"The airlines still need approval from New Zealand Transport Minister Gerry Brownlee for code-sharing on flights on trans-Tasman routes."

I guess the flights can still fly - without his approval and without the code share - and hopefully the Minister will step up to the plate now the ACCC has given the nod.

But ti always puzzles me that these things take so long.

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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 68, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 14788 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 65):
I wonder what the view is like from BK

Burger King?  
Quoting aerojoe (Reply 66):

I see stuff is reporting that the 787 may struggle to receive ETOPS any time soon. What does this mean for NZ's plans for 787 operations from 2014 and new routes?

Would mean any expansion plans/new routes put on hold for a start


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6902 posts, RR: 13
Reply 69, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14775 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 58):
Residents of PMR are complaining of NZs "rip off" fares

AKL-PMR is often on grabaseat and is cheaper than most flights in NZ.

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 63):
Could one of the regular AKL spotters (NZ107 I'm looking at you!) tell me what time the Fedex MD-11F usually arrives in AKL on a Sunday? Heading up for a day's spotting and would like to get times sorted beforehand. Thanks

1905 Layover 82. more or less, as with all freighters it is unreliable


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 70, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14776 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 68):
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 65):I wonder what the view is like from BKBurger King?

Yes Burger King has opened behind the Z station and forgot about spotting chances as theres not really any good viewing spots due to the high timber fence beside the International terminal.


User currently offlinehaggis73 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14775 times:

Garuda must be getting close to making an announcement about there start up dates to AKL soon.

That's all I'm going to say about that.  
Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 63):
Could one of the regular AKL spotters (NZ107 I'm looking at you!) tell me what time the Fedex MD-11F usually arrives in AKL on a Sunday?

FX75 HNL - AKL 1800 ARR
FX75 AKL - SYD 1930 DEP
STA & STD according to the schedule I have in front of me for the 31st.

[Edited 2013-03-26 22:27:27]

User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 843 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14671 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 59):
Also, on another matter, is the A321-NEO range capable for AKL-PER return unimpeded by restriction?
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 61):
The westbound sector ESAD of about 3100nm would be very close to max passenger load.
Quoting mariner (Reply 62):
I would fall over in shock if the A321Neo were capable of AKL-PER

Hawaiian Airlines 25 March 2013 Press Release says an operating range of 3,650 nautical miles. AKL-PER is 2,888 nautical miles (5,348 kms). Could be possible.

Quote:
Hawaiian's A321neo will seat approximately 190 passengers in a two class configuration (First and Coach) and have an operating range of 3,650 nautical miles
http://investor.hawaiianairlines.com...icle&ID=1799892&highlight=

PA515

[Edited 2013-03-27 01:07:26]

User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24641 posts, RR: 86
Reply 73, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14607 times:
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Quoting PA515 (Reply 72):
Hawaiian Airlines 25 March 2013 Press Release says an operating range of 3,650 nautical miles. AKL-PER is 2,888 nautical miles (5,348 kms).

That's the still air range given by Airbus. Real world applications - weather/winds - are somewhat different.

No one presently flies the A320 family on much more than about 2400 nautical miles and Lufthansa gives the range of the A321 as that - 2400 nm - with a viable commercial payload.

(The exception to this is British with JFK-LCY with the A318, but that's with a dramatically reduced payload - 42 business class seats.)

Although range will increase (sharklets and the Neo), no one is convinced that it will have the range for trans-Atlanctic (with a regular payload). The practical range appears to be about 3000 nm but not everyone is convinced of that:

The CEO of US Airways, for example, isn't sure that the A321Neo has the legs for PHX-HNL - 2535 nautical miles.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...reliminary-look-at-a321neo-361565/

"The problem, said Parker, is that US Airways is not certain the A321neo can fulfil the Phoenix-Hawaii missions currently operated by the carrier with its 757s."

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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 74, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 14547 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 70):
forgot about spotting chances as theres not really any good viewing spots due to the high timber fence beside the International terminal.

It seemed like you could maybe just see over the fence when I was taxiing towards the terminal..

Quoting haggis73 (Reply 71):
Garuda must be getting close to making an announcement about there start up dates to AKL soon.

That's all I'm going to say about that.

Interesting subtle hint   Just hoping it won't be that 738 via BNE which they've just announced!

Quoting haggis73 (Reply 71):

FX75 HNL - AKL 1800 ARR
FX75 AKL - SYD 1930 DEP
STA & STD according to the schedule I have in front of me for the 31st.

The end of daylight saving this weekend brings it back to 1800 - makes total sense. Guess I'll be waiting for the summer to come back before I get a departure shot of it.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 75, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14439 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 74):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 70):
forgot about spotting chances as theres not really any good viewing spots due to the high timber fence beside the International terminal.

It seemed like you could maybe just see over the fence when I was taxiing towards the terminal..

When I was there last month, the upstairs area was closed off so I'm not 100% sure about viewing upstairs but downstairs looked basically impossible.

WLG is supposed to get a cafe with outdoor viewing areas beside the RNZAF terminal which will look over the RNZAF apron beside the fence and when theres no aircraft parked there you'll get good views of the main terminal but when an aircraft is there, you'll only get the southern half of the runway. The former Wellington Aero Club building was moved there late last year but from what I've seen nothing has been done in terms of fixing it up.


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 843 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14453 times:

Quoting aerojoe (Reply 66):
I see stuff is reporting that the 787 may struggle to receive ETOPS any time soon. What does this mean for NZ's plans for 787 operations from 2014 and new routes?

Air NZ have said the 787-9 will be introduced on routes to North Asia / Japan in a leisure configuration. NZCAA EDTO regulations require 12 months of EDTO 180 before EDTO 240 can be applied for, and 12 months of EDTO 240 before EDTO 330 can be applied for.

So long as FAA approval remains in synch with this process Air NZ should not be affected apart from the uncertainty. Air NZ gets it's first 787-9 in July 2014. So FAA EDTO 240 approval by July 2015 and EDTO 330 approval by July 2016 means nothing changes.

PA515


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 843 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14478 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 74):
The end of daylight saving this weekend

Not this weekend, unless you work for JQ   New Zealand Daylight Time ends Sunday 7th April 2013.

PA515


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 78, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 14386 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 77):

Haha whoops.. Guess I work for JQ!  



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 79, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 14342 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 77):
Not this weekend, unless you work for JQ

Classic 


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Reply 80, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 14334 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 72):
Hawaiian Airlines 25 March 2013 Press Release says an operating range of 3,650 nautical miles. AKL-PER is 2,888 nautical miles (5,348 kms). Could be possible.

Doing further research, then if 3650nm holds up it should do it. Remember westbound is 6hr 30min or about 3100nm ESAD. But the 185-seats will not cut it in my view, especially if they are getting something > than 80% load factors on the 77E. running at 7X weekly.
PPT-AKL is about the only South Pacific sector the A320 with 168 seats can't do . The A320 provides pretty good coverage in my view.


User currently offlinenz2 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2007, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14241 times:

Hi guys

I am about to book some seats for the wife and I in PE on the 772 AKL/HNL. Do the bulkead (centre) seats have reasonable leg room? I am keen on these due to fact no-one reclines into you. I know the legroom is generous anyway but I have not sat in these particular seats previously.Sometimes because you dont have a seat in front to put your legs under is can be a little bit constrained compared to other non buklkhead seats

Pleased to hear any feedback, cheers


User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 972 posts, RR: 6
Reply 82, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14040 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 53):

There were 2 TG 772s in AKL on sunday, 1 parked at a hard stand so maybe that was it? I was wondering why there were 2 TG aircraft there

The Thai Prime Minister received an Honorary Doctorate at AUT on Saturday, just a day after the NZ Prime Minister opened a brand new building at AUT...

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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 83, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13930 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 52):
HS-TJW
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 53):
There were 2 TG 772s in AKL on sunday
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 54):
Flew back via POM

Thanks for the info.  
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 56):
If QF could fly AKL-LAX, at 6500mi

I thought that involved taking a payload hit? I could be wrong though. Keep in mind also that Qantas' A330 fleet (MSN 887, 892, 898, 976, 1061, 1094, 1169, 1174, 1365) is reasonably new and thus has the higher available MTOW, giving a longer range. If Air Tahiti Nui were to buy A330s, I don't think they could afford new ones with the higher MTOW.



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Reply 84, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13925 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 25):
But that's not a weekend trip, you can't fly to LA on a Friday night, have two days skiing then fly back Sunday night ready for work Monday morning, which is what a lot of Aussies flying to Queenstown during winter do.

Don't think any Australians would go alll the way to Queenstown for a weekend.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 85, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13906 times:
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Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 84):

Well thats what frequently happens! Queenstown and Christchurch are a popular Australian winter holiday destination with the ski fields being only a few hours drive away. Fly out of Australia Friday evening and return on the afternoon Sunday flights in time for work on Monday. Where else can MEL, SYD and BNE residents fly to within a 3.5 flying time to access world class ski fields?

WLG frequently reports Australian leisure arrivals are up over the weekends, especially over Australia's long weekends with family's wanting a quick get away. I'm sure its the same with CHC and AKL also. With New Zealand's currency being at record highs, New Zealand is prooving to be a popular tourist destination as tourists get more value with their money


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4614 posts, RR: 5
Reply 86, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13878 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 83):
I thought that involved taking a payload hit? I could be wrong though

I believe QF were flying the 233t version at that time. If so they were good for about 30t westbound LAX-AKL which allowed a healthy spread from the passenger load of ~23t for the 239-seat layout.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 87, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 13784 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 85):
Where else can MEL, SYD and BNE residents fly to within a 3.5 flying time to access world class ski fields?

CBR?     



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 88, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13501 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 87):

I was talking about direct flights mostly but yes CBR and then better also add ADL and CNS for Central North Island ski fields


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 13258 times:

NZ website will not allow you to book something as simple as AKL-ZQN-SYD-AKL on a single ticket.

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Reply 90, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13221 times:
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Quoting zkncj (Reply 89):

Why wouldn't anyone want to fly AKL-ZQN-SYD-AKL?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 91, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13211 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 89):

Not that you need them on a single ticket.. A travel agent could do it if you really wanted it on one ticket.



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User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (1 year 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 13200 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 90):

When you fly AKL-SYD-AKL around 10x a year it, it starts to get a tad boring!


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Reply 93, posted (1 year 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12961 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 89):
NZ website will not allow you to book something as simple as AKL-ZQN-SYD-AKL on a single ticket.

It sure does just click a multi booking then after that an international one and it will do it !!



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 94, posted (1 year 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12878 times:

Quoting nzrich (Reply 93):


Umm.. ROT and BNE are the only points that pop up for me..

[Edited 2013-03-30 01:46:19]


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Reply 95, posted (1 year 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12875 times:

Need some help from experts about earning status points (Koruman?)
I need to fly to SIN at short notice this week. Would I be better going via BNE on NZ then Etihad or just going direct on SG ?

the Etihad option is not too bad as far as the connection times go and allow opportunity to catch up on emails during the layover. I saw on NZ website that no points are earned on Etihad and while points are not that important, the status points are.

Appreciate any advice, thanks


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 96, posted (1 year 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12845 times:

Quoting nz2 (Reply 96):

IIRC you can only earn status points on codeshared *A partners (exception being VA?) - EY isn't a *A member so you wouldn't get any status points. Then it'd come down to the fare class you're booking in - I see a Tasman Flexi gives you 50 SPs and full economy partner *A NZ-Asia in full Y gives you 45... Go figure!

Edit: A completely different story if you're flying Business...

[Edited 2013-03-30 02:10:30]

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Reply 97, posted (1 year 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12829 times:
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Quoting nz2 (Reply 95):

Status Points are only earned on Star members, VA's Tasman service with NZ flight number and CX services with NZ flight number.

Airpoints are earned on Etihad but status points arn't

More information here http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/co-operation-partners-etihad-airways


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (1 year 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 12807 times:

Quoting nzrich (Reply 93):
It sure does just click a multi booking then after that an international one and it will do it !!

They only option it gives is ROT, not really as fun as ZQN


User currently offlinekoruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 3528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 99, posted (1 year 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12772 times:

NZ2
The Etihad code shares are as useless as the Virgin Atlantic ones: zero status earning.

Be careful too with SQ, as Status earning is fine but Airpoints earning in full Economy is at discount Economy levels.

If Status earning is paramount, you could even fly on an NZ code to HKG and buy a separate ticket to Singapore either direct on SQ or via Thailand on Thai.

I once bought a Star Alliance Circle Pacific fare to get from Brisbane to Singapore for a conference. In those days (?2005ish) it was $5500 return in Business Class and after a year of paternity-leave induced minimal travel it kept my Gold Elite status. I had time on my hands and my in-laws encamped in my house, and a few days with friends in LA, Hong Kong and Christchurch en route to Singapore seemed a great idea. Mrs Koruman felt the same way, so I ended up with my in-laws home alone in my house and with all four of us travelling, but it was a lot of fun.

Sadly Circle Pacific fares are now about the worst value in the world.

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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6669 posts, RR: 3
Reply 100, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12625 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 84):
Don't think any Australians would go alll the way to Queenstown for a weekend.

they do, NZ even increases flights over the winter period to cater for the demand.

Quote:

“As a fly-in fly-out world-class ski destination, Queenstown has proved very popular with Australians looking for a convenient skiing option and competitive package deals. Together, Virgin Australia and Air New Zealand now offer 18 return trips per week from Australia, providing travellers with a range of options at great value prices.
http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/press...n-more-tasman-and-domestic-flights


User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4264 posts, RR: 52
Reply 101, posted (1 year 3 weeks ago) and read 12586 times:

Beech Baron carrying 2degrees CEO crashed into the ocean and both he and his wife are missing, presumed dead. Rest in peace.

Texan



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User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 972 posts, RR: 6
Reply 102, posted (1 year 3 weeks ago) and read 12598 times:

Hi Guys

does The Works trans-Tasman (AKL-OOL) earn 30 or 50 status points? If I didn't get it wrong the accrual table (ticketed after 24 Feb) onlt talks about Full Economy/Flexi Plus/Flexi, but the s2s terminology. Maybe I looked up the worng site?

Cheers
micha


User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 103, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 12533 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 85):

Well thats what frequently happens! Queenstown and Christchurch are a popular Australian winter holiday destination with the ski fields being only a few hours drive away. Fly out of Australia Friday evening and return on the afternoon Sunday flights in time for work on Monday. Where else can MEL, SYD and BNE residents fly to within a 3.5 flying time to access world class ski fields?

No one is going to go to all that trouble & expense for 1 day of skiing. The above only works for CHC & Mt Hutt.

You can't depart Australia Friday evening to Queenstown.

So you either have to depart on a Friday am to ski 1 day at Queenstown ski sreas, or get a Saturday am flight & fly home Sunday & don't get to ski at all.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 91):
Not that you need them on a single ticket.. A travel agent could do it if you really wanted it on one ticket.

Most travel agents I've spoken to, don't even do TT tickets as they make nothing.

It's much easier to sell a cheap ticket to LAX for example $999 return at present saw on www.statravel.com.au website (for everyone not just students)& make a little commission than sell & $600-$1000 return ticket to ZQN & make virtulaly nothing.

For this reason, think ZQN will suffer this winter, especially from markets like BNE due to lack of competition.


User currently offlinenz2 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2007, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12457 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 99):
The Etihad code shares are as useless as the Virgin Atlantic ones: zero status earning.

Be careful too with SQ, as Status earning is fine but Airpoints earning in full Economy is at discount Economy levels.

If Status earning is paramount, you could even fly on an NZ code to HKG and buy a separate ticket to Singapore either direct on SQ or via Thailand on Thai
Quoting 777ER (Reply 97):
Status Points are only earned on Star members, VA's Tasman service with NZ flight number and CX services with NZ flight number.

Airpoints are earned on Etihad but status points arn't
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 96):
IIRC you can only earn status points on codeshared *A partners (exception being VA?) - EY isn't a *A member so you wouldn't get any status points. Then it'd come down to the fare class you're booking in - I see a Tasman Flexi gives you 50 SPs and full economy partner *A NZ-Asia in full Y gives you 45... Go figure!

Thanks all for advice!


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 105, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12457 times:

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 102):

There are two options - you either buy "the works" or you select the flexible option for "the works", which is another $100+. I think that's the difference between 30 and 50 SPs.



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User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 972 posts, RR: 6
Reply 106, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 12365 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 105):
There are two options - you either buy "the works" or you select the flexible option for "the works", which is another $100+. I think that's the difference between 30 and 50 SPs.

Thanks, NZ107. I have a ticket (bought by my employer) with Seat&Bag, and can upgrade online to The Works for $30. I guess that would be only the 30 SPs then...

Cheers
micha


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 107, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12319 times:
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Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 103):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 85):
Well thats what frequently happens! Queenstown and Christchurch are a popular Australian winter holiday destination with the ski fields being only a few hours drive away. Fly out of Australia Friday evening and return on the afternoon Sunday flights in time for work on Monday. Where else can MEL, SYD and BNE residents fly to within a 3.5 flying time to access world class ski fields?
No one is going to go to all that trouble & expense for 1 day of skiing

Well then the same could be said for New Zealanders who drive to a ski field on friday evening/saturday morning and return sunday night in time for work the next morning, they go for one days skiing because its better then no skiing. Coronet Peak is about 20mins drive from ZQN, so by the time you leave the aircraft, clear customs/quarantine, collect your bags and collect rental car your looking at arriving at the ski field in 1-1.5 hours depending on how many other aircraft are arriving at the same time

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 103):
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 91):Not that you need them on a single ticket.. A travel agent could do it if you really wanted it on one ticket.
Most travel agents I've spoken to, don't even do TT tickets as they make nothing.

Don't know what type of travel agents you talk to, but the last time I was in SYD and MEL I talked to several travel agents as part of some work there and they said TT always sells. If they don't 'make any money' then why arn't they adding any commissions. Every travel agent I've spoken to always have their own commission rates added on afterwards because many airlines have cut the rate they pay agents to basically nothing now


User currently offlinekoruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 3528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 108, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12214 times:

SYDAIRPORTS
Have you never heard of Rostered Days Off?

I can't ski, but a friend from the Gold Coast is using one day annual leave and an RDO this August. She flies out of BNE early Thursday morning, getting into Queenstown around 2pm from memory. Her return flight is late afternoon on Sunday.

So she will get two full days of skiing (Friday and Saturday) as well as a full evening of not so much après-ski as avant-ski on Thursday, and either an extra half-day of skiing on Sunday or a lazy lie-in.

Even if she lived in Dunedin or Christchurch she wouldn't be getting in more skiing in a weekend.

That's a sensational long weekend which is costing her a paltry one day of annual leave.

Like you, I'd rather go to LA. But I don't enjoy flying across the Pacific in Economy, whereas on a $1000 budget I have no qualms at all about crossing the ditch in Economy Class - I've done it three times in the last fortnight. And if you combine it with the paid loyalty program's of the Accor and InterContinental brands, you can easily stay 4 nights in a luxury hotel for the price of 2, which equates to around A$500, or $250 per person.

So a couple can have a terrific 4 day weekend in a deluxe hotel with three full days skiing and all social expenses for around $1600 each, or $2000 each if they really choose to eat and drink in style. That's quite an attractive proposition.


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 26
Reply 109, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11789 times:
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Air Pacific flew their new A330 into AKL today in the new Fiji Airways livery. I like it, but still thinks it lacks a little colour. I suppose the same could be said for the Air NZ livery.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10874886

NZ1


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 110, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11738 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 109):

Savour the sight of the FJ 744 until the end of June, when it gets pulled from AKL routes.



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User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 111, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 11224 times:

There is talk circulating around airport that EK will be adding 3rd A380 into AKL. EK434/435 DXB-BNE-AKL-BNE-DXB will be upgauged to an A380 in October.
AIAL is looking at modifying Gate 10 to accomodate A380 allowing them to handle 3 on the ground at any given time.
Looking forward to hearing any developments.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 112, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 11210 times:

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 111):

Well, I wouldn't be too surprised.. They need to get onto building the next 2 gates on Pier B ASAP. Imagine if Gate 10 gets held up by the late operating of one of the EK flights and that could put pressure on the OTP of the NZ North American flights.



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6902 posts, RR: 13
Reply 113, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11087 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 112):
Well, I wouldn't be too surprised.. They need to get onto building the next 2 gates on Pier B ASAP. Imagine if Gate 10 gets held up by the late operating of one of the EK flights and that could put pressure on the OTP of the NZ North American flights.

US Flights have priority over EK 380s for those gates. They would just have to delay/tow off EK - the other airlines at AKL will insist...

The mind boggles how AIAL would cope if NZs CEO decided that 5-6 A380s would be the best option for expansion of North America. Not that it would happen, but shows how much the AIAL would struggle with that if they did


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 114, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11021 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 113):
The mind boggles how AIAL would cope if NZs CEO decided that 5-6 A380s would be the best option for expansion of North America. Not that it would happen, but shows how much the AIAL would struggle with that if they did

I'm sure the rest of Pier B (both sides) can be completed in the time it takes between ordering and EIS, if NZ happened to do that. But they really need to do more with that pier before capacity starts to overwhelm them. The evening wave is quite substantial now with all the North American flights, CZ/CI/EK..



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 115, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10994 times:

Knowing AIAL, they wont do anything until it's too late. Seems to be very reactive in their approach when compared to places like SIN where they develop space before capacity demands it. AKL seems to be playing catch up.
They needed a bigger terminal long before pier B was done.
They are 'upgrading' the current domestic terminal too, putting off building a new one for a while yet. The terminal hasn't grown in size/number of aircraft it can handle even though domestic travel has increased in the past few years. Once again, reactive managment


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 116, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10871 times:
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Quoting nascarnut (Reply 111):

This is currently also being discussed in the Australian Aviation Threads. Apparantly BNE is getting the A380 at the expense of PER


Yesterday at Wellington Hospitals helipad, one of Hastings rescue Helicopters (callsign Air Hastings 2, a BK117) was damaged while taking off from the roof top pad after a freak gust of wind caused its rotor blade to hit the tail. A massive crane was used this afternoon to remove the helicopter from the roof so it can be trucked back to its base at Hastings Hospital. Certainly caused a crowd while leaving work.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...03/Rescue-helicopter-out-of-action


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 660 posts, RR: 2
Reply 117, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10778 times:

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 111):
There is talk circulating around airport that EK will be adding 3rd A380 into AKL. EK434/435 DXB-BNE-AKL-BNE-DXB will be upgauged to an A380 in October.

Correct, the plan is for A380 services to commence operating DXB-BNE-AKL from 01OCT13


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 118, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10750 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 117):
Correct, the plan is for A380 services to commence operating DXB-BNE-AKL from 01OCT13

I think something like this puts the whole "you must maintain or increase capacity on the Tasman sectors" requirement in the QF/EK alliance to ridicule.. There's something about the ACCC having power to increase that minimum capacity but if EK is operating 4x A380s to NZ (just say CHC was upsized too), it's a bit obvious that they can't increase capacity anymore.. And QF has cut down so much over the last 5-10 years, especially on the AKL-SYD/MEL sectors, that I'm sure there'd be some spaces for further growth. Such as making a link across the Tasman to one of the other EK flights to DXB. I still hope to see a return of a scheduled QF widebody to AKL which isn't a freighter..



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6902 posts, RR: 13
Reply 119, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 10683 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 114):
I'm sure the rest of Pier B (both sides) can be completed in the time it takes between ordering and EIS

They struggled to have pier B up and running in time for the first A380 and also to meet US DoT/CAA passenger segregation requirements, I think they would be struggling to meet a deadline this tight. They will struggle to cope with the extra 77Ws and the 789s due next year...

TBH the issue is not so much the quantity of A380s, it's all the other restrictions that they have for all the other gates, which change depending on the time of day, what day of the week and whether the A380s or US departures are in residence. If the gates were uniformly able to take widebodies of any size on any gate to any destination there would be no problems with current gate capacity. Because of their kneejerk reaction to LPD(US screening) when the rules changed they have actually made things very difficult for themselves as well as the airlines. Not one gate lounge on Pier A has enough seats/space for a full widebody departure internally, and even the ramp areas are tight compared to most - AKL has a rep amongst pilots for being cluttered and disorganised on the ramp - even when all the GSE is positioned correctly within the lines.

The obvious answer was to extend pier B to have enough gates to have the USA flights on the end of that pier, with a specialised screening area for those flights, then have the A380 alongside and have the original 10 gates that can always be used at any time of day for all the other flights, Preferably with the intention for rebuild to include (ideally it should be flattened but that's too logical and cost effective for AIAL):
- The ability to secure any gate lounge as needed (currently gates 3,4,7,8,10 have passengers trying to walk through the middle of them to gates 1,2,5,6,9)
- The ability to handle up to widebody size on any gate. (currently only 737/A320s can use every gate)
- Arrivals Level 1, Departures Level 2 for the whole Pier with no requirement for the glassed in tunnels

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 115):
Once again, reactive management

reactive mismanagement maybe..  even reactive management by definition requires some degree of managing the situation rather just praying for the best case scenario....they have wilfully ignored most of the problems until they are forced by National/International legislation to change.


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4614 posts, RR: 5
Reply 120, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10647 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 119):
reactive mismanagement mayb

Isn't the problem due to the ownership structure of the AIAL ? The municipalities look upon it as a cash cow when more of the cash surplus each year should be going to service debt and/or pay for the improvements needed to keep pace with demand . There were hints at one time that the airlines led by NZ might build their own terminal. Is the land upon which AKL is sited owned by AIAL or by the Government? Perhaps it was too bad the takeover bid was not allowed to proceed a few years ago.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 121, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 10580 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 119):
even reactive management by definition requires some degree of managing the situation rather just praying for the best case scenario....

Put a smile on my face and sums it up perfectly. AKL is a mess, the company really needs to stop being a shopping center and focus more on what it's primary purpose is. Being proactive believe it or not will be better in the long run.

On the domestic side it's pretty much a daily occurence that at certain times of the day on certain flights, you have to hold on the taxiway for gates to become free due lack of space. With the fees the airlines are paying you'd think AIAL would sort their sh*t out (pardon my french)


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4614 posts, RR: 5
Reply 122, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10556 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 121):
With the fees the airlines are paying you'd think AIAL would sort their sh*t out (pardon my french)

Who has a gun in their back to force them to shape up. Nobody! Nothing short of a change of ownership of the facility will change things. The government should setup a corporation of private/public capital to take the municipalities out of AIAL .


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 123, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10565 times:

Knowing the way that AKL runs they will just get the extra A380 service to use stairs and buses, they do it for 77Ws at times so hey why not a A380!

The whole domestic jet gates are joke, to the point that they think the 1960 Intentional Pier of that Terminal is a great waiting room! really don't see how they are going to add more space and gates to that pier!

What they really need to do is build a combined (Domestic / Tasman / Pacific Island) Pier in between the two terminals that handles all the A320/737 flights. All they would need to build was a pier that has 3 levels, example Ground: Domestic Arrivals & Departures / level 1 Int Arivals / Level 2 Int Departures


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 124, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10542 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 123):
The whole domestic jet gates are joke, to the point that they think the 1960 Intentional Pier of that Terminal is a great waiting room! really don't see how they are going to add more space and gates to that pier!

What they really need to do is build a combined (Domestic / Tasman / Pacific Island) Pier in between the two terminals that handles all the A320/737 flights. All they would need to build was a pier that has 3 levels, example Ground: Domestic Arrivals & Departures / level 1 Int Arivals / Level 2 Int Departures

A couple more regional gates are to be added is what I'm told. Those are the gates that are really short. I agree with you, all needs to be 1 terminal like CHC and WLG. But AIAL's answer is to 'revamp' the current terminal. Very inconvenient for pax if you ask me


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6669 posts, RR: 3
Reply 125, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10546 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 123):
What they really need to do is build a

Brand new terminal that handles everything under the one roof, OSL would be a fine example to copy.


User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 126, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 10533 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 124):
The whole domestic jet gates are joke, to the point that they think the 1960 Intentional Pier of that Terminal is a great waiting room! really don't see how they are going to add more space and gates to that pier!

At times it looks like they are trying to squeeze a square peg into a round hole.
On a regular basis a Dash may sit for 10 minutes on the taxiway waiting for a gate. Lack of changes from AIAL has delayed introduction of more Dash 8 and ATR into AKL during peak times because there is simply no place to park them. Short term solutions are coming but for the next 5 - 7 years NZ is stuck. Things may chnage if/when JQ get their own terminal between DOM and INTL terminals but once again that is pending AIAL decision.
It all comes back to the Domestic Terminal was originally built as a Cargo shed and has only had a facelift since.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 127, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10588 times:

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 126):
On a regular basis a Dash may sit for 10 minutes on the taxiway waiting for a gate. Lack of changes from AIAL has delayed introduction of more Dash 8 and ATR into AKL during peak times because there is simply no place to park them.

I've had waits longer than 10 mins (not exaggerating), it's a joke. As I said apparantly a couple more gates for these aircraft will be up and running soon, but we'll have to wait and see what happens. Arrive on time, disembark 15-20 mins late, then as a result of the flow on effect the rest of the days flights are late


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10574 times:

Just booked a AKL-WLG-AKL return for $2 with a 65minute connection in WLG, Haven't done it in a while.
Can't remeber what will happen in my AKL-WLG flight is late and makes me miss my WLG-AKL Flight?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 129, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 10547 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 119):

They have a chance to improve post-US screening facilities.. I wouldn't expect them to have changed since I flew out of Gate 6 in 2010. Luckily there was no plane in at Gate 8 (NZ2) because we were overflowing into the empty gate area. Yet beside all of this sits their 'prestigious' Top 10 airports in the world trophy. And they're not even willing to provide decent amenities to passengers including free wifi! Even some American airports have leapfrogged AKL and are now providing wifi.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 123):
Knowing the way that AKL runs they will just get the extra A380 service to use stairs and buses, they do it for 77Ws at times so hey why not a A380!

At least, arguably, a bus service is better than a single airbridge gate....  
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 125):
Quoting zkncj (Reply 123):
What they really need to do is build a

Brand new terminal that handles everything under the one roof, OSL would be a fine example to copy.

Well the previous long term plans of AKL had the international terminal stretching some distance around the carpark and hotel, then linking up with the domestic terminal. That'd still be ideal.

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 126):
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 127):

I guess I'm glad I don't do much prop flying out of AKL. Soon they'll be using buses from the area around the 737 hangars.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 130, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10481 times:
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Quoting zkncj (Reply 128):

NZ have to put you on the next possible service, even if its via say PMR or HLZ, if its the next day then they have to put you in a hotel for the night


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10457 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 130):
NZ have to put you on the next possible service, even if its via say PMR or HLZ, if its the next day then they have to put you in a hotel for the night


Cool, couldn't remember if they cover me for doing turn around like that


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 132, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10377 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 128):
Just booked a AKL-WLG-AKL return for $2 with a 65minute connection in WLG, Haven't done it in a while.
Can't remeber what will happen in my AKL-WLG flight is late and makes me miss my WLG-AKL Flight?

As long as it's all on one ticket then like 777ER says, your fine. If they are booked separately though then you are on your own.


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10377 times:

Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 132):
As long as it's all on one ticket then like 777ER says, your fine. If they are booked separately though then you are on your own.

Single booking, I'm arriving at 12:50 and flying out at 1:55 done 75minute turn around for Status Points before the days of the CHC Quakes.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 134, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10363 times:
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Quoting zkncj (Reply 133):

Those status points runs can be fun especially if its done for next too nothing. I've already got my current status renewed till August 2014 so I'm not really concerned by needing to do status runs.



Quick question for anyone who knows (I've forgotten the process) if you earn enough status points to upgrade to the next level (like I'm going to do when I go to Miami in June) then does that next status level expire 12 months afterwards or does it continue till August 2014 like my current status expries in.

I'm considering doing some flying on QF/AA if the new status would expire 12 months after the new level was earned


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 135, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9632 times:
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Does anyone know if NZ, VA or QF are putting on extra services into WLG on April 25th for the ANZAC day AFL match between Sydney and Melbourne at Westpac Stadium? The scheduled flights look fairly full with only the full economy fares available

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6902 posts, RR: 13
Reply 136, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 9255 times:

Just crossed over to the dark side for a random logbook run.... Booked a ticket to SYD for next month on EK for $397 tax inclusive - That's $98 one way before taxes... good value for a couple of A380 sectors+ 30KG + Meal. Cheaper than JQ!

Quoting 777ER (Reply 135):
Does anyone know if NZ, VA or QF are putting on extra services into WLG on April 25th for the ANZAC day AFL match between Sydney and Melbourne at Westpac Stadium?

I will try and remember to look tomorrow..


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 137, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9202 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 136):

Very good value! Good luck in getting a new A380.. The IFE is super impressive, even compared to the one in their older A380s.. It seems like a lottery between the first 6 A380s, EDM/NO/P or Y/Z.



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User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 783 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9194 times:

A local Guangzhou newspaper has reported that China Southern is studying to launch either CHC or WLG shortly. I don't think WLG runway is long enough to take their A330. What is the current runway extension plan? This may very well be WLG's first long haul route. I am sure WLG is lobbying hard.

Meanwhile, the simplified visa proccessing deal for Chinese citizens has been extended to elite Airpoints members but I doubt this deal is meaningful at all. How many China based Chinese citizens are active Airpoints members? The deal with China Southern last year has delivered 100 elite frequent flyer visa applicants so far. I guess people who will benefit from the Airpoints deal will be stay within 1 digit.

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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 139, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9149 times:

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 138):
I don't think WLG runway is long enough to take their A330.

Via Australia and it would seem viable.. Though I'm not sure if CAN was the Asian port many Wellingtonians had in mind for direct flights.. Beggars can't be choosers I suppose!



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User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9085 times:

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 138):
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 139):
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...Airport-unveils-40m-terminal-plans

Mr Thomas said the airport company would spend $100m on infrastructure in the next five years.

Wonder if the millions being spent is an attempt to maybe lure some international carriers?

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User currently offlineA330NZ From New Zealand, joined Dec 2010, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9073 times:

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 138):
either CHC or WLG
http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2013-04/10/content_16387949.htm

Quote:
Two more routes are due to be launched soon, connecting the southern city with Christchurch and Wellington.

This article here says both! While that would be nice, I think it only one city will be opened (CHC    )


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6902 posts, RR: 13
Reply 142, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9065 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 137):
It seems like a lottery between the first 6 A380s, EDM/NO/P or Y/Z.

As long as it isn't EDC on either flight I'll be happy, and hopefully 2 newbies.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 143, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9059 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 140):

Gotta love their ambitions though.. An Air NZ 744 in the background!?
Just as long as the views from the Koru Lounge aren't affected, it sounds decent.. And also sounds fairly expensive!



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User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9009 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 143):

Gotta love their ambitions though.. An Air NZ 744 in the background!?
Just as long as the views from the Koru Lounge aren't affected, it sounds decent.. And also sounds fairly expensive!

The Lounge Shouldn't be effected at all, as they main part of the upgrade is next to the current check-in area. So the lounge will lose its view of the car park tho....


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6902 posts, RR: 13
Reply 145, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9019 times:

At least one New Zealand Airport has ambitions that involve airport infrastructure first, and shopping malls second...

User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 972 posts, RR: 6
Reply 146, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8954 times:

Hi All

does anybody know if QF charges a credit card fee or booking fee? The fare is the same as through expedia, and expedia has no additional fees. I can't test it, because you have to enter names first, and then will proceed to the payment page...

Cheers
micha


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 147, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8944 times:
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Heard about WLGs upgrade on the radio early this afternoon. Happy the next part of their 30 year plan is about to start. The plan of having one AVSEC secuirty screening location is a good idea and will reduce boarding times but gone are the day of having your family greet you/farewell you at the gate which has always been one of the reasons why IMHO WLG has been family friendly compared to AKL and CHC.

Interesting that China Southern is (possibly) launching both CHC and WLG. Wonder when the announcement will be?


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8856 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 147):
The plan of having one AVSEC secuirty screening location is a good idea and will reduce boarding times but gone are the day of having your family greet you/farewell you at the gate which has always been one of the reasons why IMHO WLG has been family friendly compared to AKL and CHC.

Would it really be that much of an issue? in the end its going to save the family about 30minutes of parking at WLG.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 149, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8828 times:
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Quoting zkncj (Reply 148):

No it certainly isn't an issue and I certainly wasn't saying it would be. Was just saying what made WLG a great airport passenger/visitor wise


User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 150, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8759 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 147):
Interesting that China Southern is (possibly) launching both CHC and WLG. Wonder when the announcement will be?

If they launched both it would have to be a CAN-WLG-CHC-CAN routing, an A330 wouldn't manage the 5165NM WLG-CAN without a massive payload hit. There would be stronger demand for cargo from CHC aswell, I'm sure Canterbury exporters would relish the opportunity to send fresh produce non-stop to China.



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 151, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8748 times:

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 138):
What is the current runway extension plan? This may very well be WLG's first long haul route. I am sure WLG is lobbying hard.

No runway extension plans as far as I'm aware so I presume CZ would only go to WLG as a TT tag on. Good news on the domestic expansion though, wish AKL would take a leaf of WLG's book


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 152, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8727 times:
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Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 150):

Maybe a CAN-WLG-SYD/BNE/MEL-CAN 3x weekly with a CAN-CHC-CAN 4x weekly or vice versa?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 153, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8672 times:

Quoting ZKEOJ (Reply 146):
does anybody know if QF charges a credit card fee or booking fee? The fare is the same as through expedia, and expedia has no additional fees. I can't test it, because you have to enter names first, and then will proceed to the payment page...

I know they charge a fee for domestic Australian flights but I'm not too sure about TT flights. But when you're paying by AUD if you're travelling domestic in Australia, you can buy gift vouchers (of any amount under the ticket price) and get around having to pay a credit card fee.



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User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8567 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 151):
Good news on the domestic expansion though, wish AKL would take a leaf of WLG's book

Auckland put on Tenders early this year for work to start on July at Domestic. Work includes more regional gates, upgraded single Jet airside with more gates and food venues. Also new baggage claim for NZ Jets


User currently offlineZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 972 posts, RR: 6
Reply 155, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8515 times:

Thanks, NZ107! The gift voucer is a great idea. In this case, I am doing TT, but I'll keep it in mind for future domestic bookings in OZ.. 

Cheers
micha


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 156, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8502 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 154):

Auckland put on Tenders early this year for work to start on July at Domestic. Work includes more regional gates, upgraded single Jet airside with more gates and food venues. Also new baggage claim for NZ Jets

But not a whole new terminal, which is pretty much what's needed.. At least WLG is a proper terminal and not an old cargo shed which happened to be in an ideal place for a domestic terminal.. The utilisation of that space could be better; but a brand new terminal would easily beat the hundreds of modifications made to the terminal. They need to get bids from people to start construction of the new terminal.



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User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 157, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8501 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 156):
They need to get bids from people to start construction of the new terminal.

Will never happen while NZ is the main national airline, they are far to cheap to put anything towards it/ they wouldn't want to pay the increased lease charges for a new terminal.


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4614 posts, RR: 5
Reply 158, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8350 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 156):
They need to get bids from people to start construction of the new terminal.

Before this you need plans. Have there ever been plans drawn for a new domestic terminal at AKL ?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 159, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8370 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 158):

Before this you need plans. Have there ever been plans drawn for a new domestic terminal at AKL ?

Yes. It all fits in with their "2025 Master Plan" to have the 2nd runway built and new terminal over there. It might end up being a 2050 master plan.....



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User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 160, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8215 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 159):

Yes. It all fits in with their "2025 Master Plan" to have the 2nd runway built and new terminal over there. It might end up being a 2050 master plan.....

Can't find the article, but they did say recently that the new domestic terminal project is now 50 years away!


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 161, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8231 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 160):
Can't find the article, but they did say recently that the new domestic terminal project is now 50 years !

Sad to know that I'm a few years shy of 30 and this will only happen after I reach retirement age... So the cargo shed will last another 50 years? I guess that will limit how much growth can occur by the airlines


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4614 posts, RR: 5
Reply 162, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8002 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 161):
Sad to know that I'm a few years shy of 30 and this will only happen after I reach retirement age... So the cargo shed will last another 50 years? I guess that will limit how much growth can occur by the airlines

From a passengers viewpoint do I get a significantly better experience from the very modern WLG domestic than from the 1960's AKL domestic. I am not thinking shopping or food services; I am thinking parking or drop off, check in , baggage and getting to the gates on departure or the reverse on arrivals . It is about 5-years since I went through both domestic terminals and I don't remember WLG being significantly more functional than AKL at that time.


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 163, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7956 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 162):
From a passengers viewpoint do I get a significantly better experience from the very modern WLG domestic than from the 1960's AKL domestic. I am not thinking shopping or food services; I am thinking parking or drop off, check in , baggage and getting to the gates on departure or the reverse on arrivals . It is about 5-years since I went through both domestic terminals and I don't remember WLG being significantly more functional than AKL at that time.

Auckland Domestic has had some major improvements over the past 5 years, albeit most of the improvements only have benefits for NZ. When you look at it, allot has been achieved to make it more functional.
- New Regional Gates & Baggage Claim for NZ
- Enlarged check-in area for NZ, with completely self service check-in
- New food court and screening point between the NZ/JQ Terminal
- Complete soft refit of fittings within the NZ Terminal
- Refitting of the old International pier as over flow get gates
- added an second screening check point to the main domestic jet departures.
- Doubled the size of the Koru Club
- Enlarge the car park
- new two lane Public Drop off / Pick up with covered areas outside NZ.

Once they start the next stage in July, its going to be an half decent terminal. As after all they are going to enlarge the domestic jet gate areas, which are the main let down.


User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 164, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7821 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 108):
So a couple can have a terrific 4 day weekend in a deluxe hotel with three full days skiing and all social expenses for around $1600 each, or $2000 each if they really choose to eat and drink in style. That's quite an attractive proposition.

that's 2 day skiing not 3. Almost impossible to ski am on Sunday & fly out.

Apart from your rare example, people just don't do it. It's just too hard & expensive.

Airfare/taxes components are the same.

+ Qantas have just changed points required fro BNE/ZQN unless you can get ff seats on rare nonstop (only about 12 nonstops a year)

For example, it used to be 18,000 QF points + taxes to go one way BNE/ZQN via AKL, CHC, SYD or MEL, but now it's from 22,400 or more depending on whether QF or JQ or JQ & QF services are used. Minor increase maybe, but it's just another thing making it harder to get to Queenstown this year.

Have heard from tour operators that ex Qld numbers for NZ are way down cf. to same time last year, but numbers for Australian resorts are up.

Think Queenstown will really suffer this ski season with lack of competition on flights BNE/ZQN.

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User currently offlineSYDAIRPORTS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 165, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7769 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 164):
For example, it used to be 18,000 QF points + taxes to go one way BNE/ZQN via AKL, CHC, SYD or MEL, but now it's from 22,400 or more depending on whether QF or JQ or JQ & QF services are used. Minor increase maybe, but it's just another thing making it harder to get to Queenstown this year.

Have heard from tour operators that ex Qld numbers for NZ are way down cf. to same time last year, but numbers for Australian resorts are up.

Think Queenstown will really suffer this ski season with lack of competition on flights BNE/ZQN.

if fly BNE/SYD/ZQN/AKL/BNE is now a minimum of 50,000 QF points when a week or 2 was only 36,000.

So a family of 6 now needs to find another 84,000 points to get the same thing.

Think QF have been sneeky about this.


User currently offlineMr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 166, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7683 times:

Quoting SYDAIRPORTS (Reply 164):
Apart from your rare example, people just don't do it. It's just too hard & expensive.

I'm not a skier but do you know how many short breaks I have had over the years just by co-ordinating a weekend off with a days leave either side on the Friday and the Monday? Countless!.

All over East Coast Australia plus umpteen other places around New Zealand. I think it's all much more common than you wish to admit.


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 167, posted (1 year 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7176 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 162):
From a passengers viewpoint do I get a significantly better experience from the very modern WLG domestic than from the 1960's AKL domestic. I am not thinking shopping or food services; I am thinking parking or drop off, check in , baggage and getting to the gates on departure or the reverse on arrivals

Well IMHO you do at Welly. Lack of gates at AKL for a start puts PAX arriving in peak times either late deplaning or boarding for those departing. International PAX have to walk in the weather to connect with overseas flights or wait around for a bus that pops around every 10-15 minutes, not very convenient when you look at CHC and WLG all under one roof.
The baggage claim and check in is fine in AKL. But the 'new' pick up/drop off area seems to be chaotic with a queue of cars stretching beyond the terminal past the domestic carparks.
The AKL terminal has served it's purpose, but I feel that even though it has been constantly upgraded, demand in doestic travel has outgrown the size and functionality of the current terminal.
It's great they are upgrading the place yet again, but even when it's completed it will be playing catch up as domestic traffic increases, and the same problems will creep up again. Why not just build a terminal with ample space (more than what is presently required) to 'future proof' the place rather than thinking 'Awh yea, I think we're running out of gates heaps eh, should probably chuck in another couple to be safe and re route traffic to make it more flash'


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 168, posted (1 year 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7159 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 167):

I fully agree with your statements. I'll use WLG as the example in this as I havn't really experienced CHCs ne