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New Frontier Part 42  
User currently offlineLuxair747SP From Germany, joined May 2010, 557 posts, RR: 16
Posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 35569 times:

As the old thread got quite long please continue discussing here.

The previous thread can be found here
New Frontier Part 41 (by iowaman Feb 6 2013 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2013-03-20 11:45:23]

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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 35301 times:

Because F9 has sold airfare on Groupon they may want to get involved with the Army-Air Force-Exchange System (AAFES) leisure travel program http://www.shopmyexchange.com/EmailI...sletter/images-new/main-032113.jpg It looks like US, AA, DL, B6 and NK are already on-board.

I would think TTN to any Florida markets would do well. You have a lot of military families in around TTN with Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst. Staten Island, NY has has a Navy Facility amongst others installations in and around the greater NYC and Philly areas. Out west I'm told there is a significant military population around the greater DEN/COS catchment area. I've been told the area is in a top five list of military installations retirees select as their final home of selection for the perks after they exit the service. Looking at the ad Branson appears to be another popular market.

Unlike official government travel this travel service is for leisure and available to families and military retirees who are authorized to shop the military Exchange system. Dependents (the brood) are generally authorized through age 21 or 24 if enrolled as a full time college student.

In the MCO area the military has the Shades of the Green hotel which is best understood as a members only recreation facility for all facets of the military family.

Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 2 months 15 hours ago) and read 34935 times:

Well...... now that G4 has left FNL...... it seems that the airport manager there is looking for another carrier to run the couple-of-times-a-week FNL-LAS flight.......


I would wonder if there is any way that F9 could do route (well... they probably could get a plane to run FNL-LAS and back twice a week) with the end result of having some plus $$$$$ in the F9 coffer from doing this?


[Edited 2013-03-26 22:38:17]

User currently offlineuncgso From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 34880 times:

persuaded my dad to book GSO-DEN in June ... got a great rate even after upgrading to 'Classic' and Stretch seating, although he opted for DL on return as it was $150 cheaper ... F9 was asking $289 oneway (and online seat map the flight was over 3/4 full) ... ill take that as a good sign and am hoping the GSO-DEN flight does well enough to go daily  

User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 34595 times:

CAPA has posted another article about F9


a lot of numbers, stats about F9 here, and other info that we know. This article also seems to indicate that F9 is going about its own path into making itself an ULCC/hybrid........


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 34383 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 4):

Glad to see the word hybrid being used. It fits neatly. A LCC in the West and a ULCC in the East . That's what I've taken from the last conference call anyways.

Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 2054 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 34328 times:

So basically, it looks like F9 is going to be SOLD rather than be spun off....... the big question now...... who's going to be the buyer? And if I heard correctly, they were supposed to make that decision by the end of March (now 1 day away)

User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 34128 times:

Looks like F9 extended their schedule to 11/13/13. A couple items of note:

DEN-EUG/TYS operates through 10/24
DEN-GSO goes through 9/8
DEN-MDT stays at 4x weekly through the remainder of the schedule.

DEN-GRR ends September 7. It looks like yet another route where the economics of 3 airlines on it just doesn't work. I have to wonder though, if I'm WN why not just keep adding more F9 DEN destinations like LIT, ORF, and DSM? Based on DAY, CAK, , SDF and now GRR it seems clear that F9 either can't compete with them or chooses to walk away from the competition. Either way it's a win if you're WN.

All of the TTN flying (including MSY) resumes the last week the schedule is open (11/8-11/13)

Only other item I noticed was AZA no longer says 'operates seasonally until April 7'. Instead it now says 'discontinued after April 7'. The reverse is true for ZIH. So maybe at this point, they plan on returning to ZIH next winter.

[Edited 2013-03-31 16:00:39]

User currently offlineAirDance From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 34107 times:

Frontier will stop flying the DEN - GRR route after September 8th, 2013. This must be in response to Southwest flying the route beginning August 11th.

User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 999 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 34003 times:
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At least SBN-DEN will never be touched by WN. Frontiers loads have been hit or miss but are picking back up again. December of last year was F9's best month so far on the route and then it dropped off after the holidays but average load factors are now back up to 82% and that is actually better that WN's average company load factor so I hope F9 stays.

User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 33935 times:

Looking through the new schedule, I can't find any E190 flights after 9/8 with the exception of DCA-OMA/MSN/MCI. Those 3 cities to DEN though have all flights on 319s so I'm curious what the plan is for the E190s. I wonder if those 3 Republic slots can't be physically operated by frontier or what? With the last A318 flight scheduled for 8/9 as well, it looks like F9 will finally be down to just 319/320 flights (at least at DEN)

User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 33911 times:
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With the merger of US and AA, it is likely that there will have to be the release of some DCA slots, any routes that F9 could possibly apply for and make money off of, hopefully outside of the general DEN area so as to operate when DEN cannot?

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User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 33786 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 11):
With the merger of US and AA, it is likely that there will have to be the release of some DCA slots, any routes that F9 could possibly apply for and make money off of, hopefully outside of the general DEN area so as to operate when DEN cannot?

They haven't been too successful with that. They weren't able to get COS-DCA, and then proceeded to can all of the flights from there (I'm sure their history of short lived routes doesn't help). Then I think they applied for SDF-DCA or something like that, even though they weren't even using all theirs slots in the first place?

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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 27671 posts, RR: 81
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 33770 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 12):
Then I think they applied for SDF-DCA or something like that, even though they weren't even using all theirs slots in the first place?

Hmmm? Frontier has no within-perimeter slots.

Any within-perimeter service it offers is by using Republic slots, acquired from Midwest, for some of which Republic has other uses.


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 33534 times:

For those who may be contemplating a trip to/from Alaska I saw some really decent prices from ANC to fifty destinations in the lower 48 in the $89 fare special which are valid across the Summer through September 8th LAS-ANC for $173 each way. FLL-ANC for $240.00 each way.

We can only hope the Pacific Northwest will be able to participate on F9 at some point in the not to distant future without having to fly back to DEN. It might be time to look at BLI-ANC seasonally.

Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 33493 times:

For the sake of discussion I want to field comments about K5 possibly becoming a potential regional partner for F9 http://www.seaportair.com/route-map.php A code-share gives F9 the Southeast Alaska.

K5 is also expanding in the lower 48 under the Sea-Port brand. A couple of the biggies would be DFW, PDX, SAN other medium size airports would be BNA, MCI and maybe MEM.

Man can be taken from Alaska. Alaska can never be taken from the man.
User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 33395 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 15):
A couple of the biggies would be DFW,

Correction DAL which puts it in the medium sized airport department.

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User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 999 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 32972 times:
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Looks like Frontier is adding service at TTN and adding a new city in ILG.

User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 32916 times:
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Quoting freakyrat (Reply 17):
Looks like Frontier is adding service at TTN and adding a new city in ILG.

Just to clarify I believe you mean starting previously announced service at TTN and the ILG service is a new announcement.

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User currently offlineTPAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 32825 times:

I guess this thread is the place for this, forgive me if I am wrong, anyway, do you know what happened to the TPA to OMA, DSM, and MKE? They were running seasonally in winter 2011, and then it seemed as if just dropped off. Does it still run, and if so, when?

User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 32809 times:
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Well you have TTN and now ILG. What's the next airport Worchester (ORH)?? I'm sure they would even get some subsidies from Massport. Sure they like B6 but want more than MCO and FLL.

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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 32789 times:

I'm curious if TOL could support this current strategy (TTN & ILG). TOL has a large metro area, and I wonder if an ULCC like F9 could succeed there.

User currently offlineuncgso From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 32703 times:

with all this TTN, ILG, ORH, TOL, etc talk i cant help but wonder why GSO isnt more on F9's radar ... being midway between CLT & RDU (and ROA, HKY, Boone, etc) i would think that F9 would do well from here to MDW, IAH, TTN, etc ...WN obviously has no intentions of serving GSO (even though its the 3rd or 4th largest metro without WN service) ... wondering if maybe the limited (3X weekly service) is a turn off to the business travelers in the Triad region ... imo GSO is a great regional airport with cheap parking, short TSA lines, and is central to a large population ... fwiw i did see a huge billboard touting Frontier to DEN on on NC68 yesterday as well as adverts for the same service on the front page of the News & Record ... and btw i still dont get not opening TTN-GSO instead of TTN-RDU just my   

User currently offlineFrontier14 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 365 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 32583 times:

There is a spring snow storm going on in Denver today. Frontier flights are being impacted by low visibility and ATC spacing. However, there are few, if any, cancellations so far. United has cancelled a number of flights as of mid-morning.

User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 32573 times:

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 17):
Looks like Frontier is adding service at TTN and adding a new city in ILG.

Here's the Sky Vector airport info for New Castle http://skyvector.com/airport/ILG/New-Castle-Airport
And we thought TTN-PHF was to close. TTN-ILG is about what 70 miles?

When this service inaugurates all fifty states will have regularly scheduled airline passenger service. In the trivia department Delaware was the only state that did not.

I suppose the credit card companies who have their HQ in Delaware would use the service. This route seems awful drivable though. My early thoughts are the new ILG service needs to be connected to the banking center in and around CLT to work

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25 FL787 : Anyone else find it funny that Siegel is now the one laying siege to US Airways in Philly?
26 Post contains links jgrantco : The Denver Post naming two firms in discussions with Republic... http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...-investment-firms-potential-buyers
27 jerseyguy : Just what we need another Spirit Air.
28 crj900lr : I really don't think US Airways even cares about F9 and their service from TTN and ILG. Not really going impact any airline flying out of PHL.
29 LAXintl : I understand that the F9 dispatch center and SOC will be relocated back to DEN. Part of guiding the company into new ownership.
30 n7371f : Agreed.
31 jerseyguy : Guess ILG bookings are doing well, intro fares now starting at $79 (Up from $49)[Edited 2013-04-21 19:21:16]
32 93Sierra : What happened to AZA? I flew the flght in Feb AZA-Den-BNA and the first flight was full. ( flew on sarge the bald eagle) I didn't hear they dropped it
33 freakyrat : Just checked some scenarios on SeatGuru for SBN-DEN R/T's. DEN-SBN-DEN loads are looking really good during the Indy500 Race weekend. (Do you think ra
34 Flytravel : I think the only route it might care about is if F9 launched ILG-CLT, flying from PHL's backyard into US' other hub, a fortress hub. The fares are st
35 whatusaid : Question to those who know, how accurate are the F9 seat maps as an indication of load factors. FAT - DEN bookings for the first weeks seem surprising
36 Post contains links and images point2point : Catching up on some back-reading, I ran across an article that SBD (San Bernardino, CA) is continuing in its process to attract some commercial servic
37 LAXintl : Forget SBD. The area is a disaster and hardly a good airport to serve broader SoCal region from. If F9 wants a relative cheap airport, they had their
38 Frontier14 : Agree, should not be high on the radar screen. Rather, Shurz & Co might want to consider seasonal service from DEN to STS and Sonoma County once
39 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : For those who may be planning a non cruise ship visit to the land of the midnight sun; who may not receive F9 emails. ANC and FAI are on sale through
40 planesarecool : Not sure if this is 'news' but there is a Frontier A319 in GYR wearing revised titles. The silver 'Frontier' has turned into a smaller black 'FlyFront
41 Post contains images kingcavalier : F9 just posted this on their Facebook page. N954FR joins their fleet tonight. This tail was previously on N504LX, Mickey the Moose. Thoughts about the
42 jerseyguy : I've always been of the group, if it aint broke don't fix it. Sure it does get the website address out there but was anyone who wanted to go there ha
43 Frontier14 : My first reaction is hmmmmmmm.......... Not sure if the new addition appeals or is too much. At least the animal(s) is still intact. Guess we will se
44 Post contains links F9animal : They took the slogan off? And why not just make it: WWW.FLYFRONTIER.COM? Or better yet: HTTP://WWW.FLYFRONTIER.COM. I dont care for it.
45 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : I like it! The moose adds a bit of elegance. The .com is a bit dated though. At least it not a frickin fictional mouse. I still have my hoping for a
46 mke717spotter : I don't like it, hopefully its just for that one.
47 n7371f : Republic reported rather atrocious financials for Frontier: $20 million loss. If you account for charges due to returning aircraft loss was roughly $1
48 mariner : Almost eaxctly what they said it would be in the last conference call - a loss only slightly less than last year's Q1. It hasn't hurt the stock price
49 Frontier14 : [quote=n7371f, Republic reported rather atrocious financials for Frontier:[/quote] Q1 has historically been a less than good quarter for Frontier. I d
50 Post contains images n7371f : Of course it's not bad Just because an airline gives guidance of a $20 million loss, doesn't make it okay. Get outside the F9 vacuum and look at comp
51 mariner : I think you're missing my point. This loss was predicted on the last conference call three (?) months ago and has not hurt the stock price since then
52 smoot4208 : The earnings tomorrow will not change the stock price. Tomorrow's results are very close to what investors were expecting. Now, what the earnings tom
53 mariner : Whether they are or they aren't is completely irrelevant to this. I come to a.net for my purposes, not for theirs. I am not asking anyone to change w
54 Post contains images FL787 : Not a fantastic but an in-person photo of the new titles: Personally I probably the old/regular titles but it doesn't make much of a difference.
55 Post contains links jerseyguy : Looks like the "Flyfrontier.com" livery is the new livery According to flyfrontier.com "Frontier is proud to introduce our new livery that prominently
56 flyguy89 : I know I've personally accidentally gone to frontier.com a few times (which isn't owned by F9 FYI), so I'm sure it does cause a fair bit of confusion
57 GentFromAlaska : If it helps I learned along time ago to ignore the "sky is falling" bashers who for the most part have lost their creditability who can't seem to gra
58 Cubsrule : I don't know that sub-daily service is a big turnoff in places like GSO where it's tough to be loyal to a single carrier (at least if you value your
59 Post contains links nzblue : And now it's official. Frontier will begin to charge some passengers for carry-on bags and beverages. Frontier Enhances Services for Customers Using F
60 Post contains links ouboy79 : Little late getting to this, so I apologize. I would say yes and no. Granted I haven't lived up there for 15 years, I still stay in touch and keep up
61 jerseyguy : Does F9 board and deplane both the front and the rear of the aircraft in any locations? At airports that don't have jetbridges it would increase board
62 n7371f : Nope. And it's a fair question. I am very curious how F9 is going to pull this off - boarding and during flight - without large risk to its excellent
63 freakyrat : Just checked on SeatGuru.com for some sample F9 SBN-DEN, DEN-SBN flights to see how loads are doing. Seems like Michiana folks are discovering Frontie
64 GentFromAlaska : WN announced their intent to kabosh DEN-PVD. Might this be a opportunity for F9 to jump on the route which will give. the carrier a small footprint in
65 jerseyguy : I wonder if they could make the pricing work where people would use the train to Boston (1:20-1:30) and $15 each way
66 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : The latest F9 email advertisement show the Snowshoe Hare (Jack I think) in combination with the new FlyFrontier.com banding. Unless the pix was photo
67 Antoniemey : I haven't seen Jack in awhile, so I'd say it's definitely a possibility, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it was a photoshop job. I can say that t
68 Post contains links jerseyguy : Well since pictures of New Castle County Airport are so elusive, I decieded to go take some myself. Outside the terminal http://flic.kr/p/ejFqex What
69 n7371f : Frontier isn't going to get crap after the massively confusing fee announcement. They may need to go that route to survive but in one fellow swoop, F
70 Post contains images SurfandSnow : Thank you! LOL, when asked about the rather dismal state of TTN's facilities, F9 said something along the lines of "people don't choose an airport be
71 mikefrommke : Spirit and Allegient made that list...[Edited 2013-05-17 06:23:33]
72 Post contains links and images GentFromAlaska : Five off season destinations. F9 already serves Costa Rica seasonally. St Lucia in the Lesser Antilles http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...9QSd74GY
73 jerseyguy : Sorry Gent. KTTN-TLPL is 2012 miles even further than TTN-DEN which isn't possible due to the runway.
74 WhatUsaid : F9 launches FAT-DEN today. The first flight has been sold out for about a week now. Not one dollar spent on advertising that I've seen. Welcome back.
75 jerseyguy : Supposedly the first few flights from CVG to DEN which also starts today are sold out as well. Hopefully they will be able to continue their success.
76 Frontier14 : Yes, a number of us hope they are successful with FAT and CVG as with the other new offerings that are recent and upcoming. Frontier continues to hav
77 Post contains images point2point : The forecast for DEN is 62M pax by 2020...... and that is at a pace of about 1%-2% annual growth. So with 62M some pax...... one would think that the
78 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : Maybe some day
79 Frontier14 : Next winter it appears that Frontier will be adding new Apple flying from PHF (Newport News/Williamsburg) to Cancun beginning in February 2014.
80 GentFromAlaska : I don't remember a Customs & Border Protection (CBP) station at the PHF. It has been a few years since my last trek through the airport.
81 uncgso : hey guys ... from what i hear the DEN-GSO service is very popular ... any chance this will go daily? or at least be extended past mid-September? fwiw
82 GentFromAlaska : In part I suspect the GSO flights came about because someone on the BoD or on the senior leadership team may have been from or has ties to the GSO re
83 Post contains links jerseyguy : Can anyone tell me why duplicate flights come up in flight aware for F9 under the call sign "Shasta" and the prefix SSX Example http://flightaware.com
84 GentFromAlaska : I'm not sure about the Shasta SSX part but.............. Early last September me and dad were on a WN flight PVD-BWI connecting to another flight for
85 whereitswarm : If it helps, 'Shasta' was the call sign of Lynx airlines - the Q400 experiment of Frontier - which was also the name of the baby lynx (Larry's son?)
86 jerseyguy : Interesting story but I'm talking about a constant occurance with multiple flights out of TTN
87 jerseyguy : Thanks I was just going to post that. I figured that out after a long time searching with google. Must be a flight aware glitch BTW Lynx ICAO code wa
88 freakyrat : According to SeatGuru.com F9's SBN service is booked pretty solid this weekend. Probably some added Indy500 guests in and others out. SBN-DEN tomorrow
89 n7371f : Can confirm that Frontier is taking at least one new A320 on lease. Line number 5661 will be delivered to Frontier leased from ACG Acquisitions. I bel
90 Frontier14 : I too believe Mariner did make reference to two 320's coming, one in the summer and one later in the year.
91 smoot4208 : The F9 schedule has been extended to Jan 05, 2014 Highlights: DEN-MDT stays at 4 x weekly (Route appears to go year round) DEN-GSO goes to 2 x weekly
92 kmot : I wonder how the CVG Service is going. I see that there is no schedule change. Are they planning on just doing one flight a day to DEN?
93 jerseyguy : To be exact TTN-MCO 5X Sun/Tue/Wed/Fri/Sat (Up From 4x) TTN-MDW 4X Sun/Mon/Wed/Thurs (Down From 6X) TTN-TPA 3X Tue/Fri/Sat SAME TTN-FLL 3X Mon/Wed/Sa
94 Flytravel : Frontier seems to go light on FLL. Just 3x weekly from TTN. No MDT-FLL and no ILG-FLL either. This seems contrary to JetBlue, Southwest and Spirit tha
95 Post contains links rj777 : Just looked at Milwaukee's non-stop list. The only city Frontier is listed next to is Denver. http://www.mitchellairport.com/airli...information/citi
96 freakyrat : Quoting Smoot4208 "The F9 schedule has been extended to Jan 05, 2014" DEN-SBN-DEN is still in there past the one year SCASD date. That's great with lo
97 Frontier14 : Nice to see that DEN - EUG has generated enough flow to make a try of it at least through January. We have res for EUG in me Sep so will get an idea o
98 smoot4208 : Looks like Apple Vacations has loaded their schedules (at least some of them) through part of next year. DEN-ZIH is listed so I guess F9 will be back
99 Post contains links mariner : Here you go - aircraft porn - for old time's sake. N220FR making it's first go-round - sharkets but no paint, except the engine cowlings. http://www.
100 sunking737 : Being the only F9 animal with sharkets it will be easy to spot, along with the "Flyfrontier.com" plane. Always nice to see the smaller carriers add p
101 GentFromAlaska : Might we see a species of shark as the tail critter. Seems appropriate. I don't think the Great White; perhaps the whale shark; a plankton eater and
102 freakyrat : Looks like F9 is doing good lately out of SBN. Just checked for their load tomorrow. SBN-DEN has 1 empty seat. coming back on this Thursday's flight h
103 Post contains images jerseyguy : Thats enough to bring my seatback to a "Full upright and locked position" boing. If it lasts for more than 4 hours I will be sure to call my doctor T
104 WhatUsaid : How reliable are F9 seat maps? FAT-DEN is sold out tomorrow and Wednesday and just before they sold out, there were 10 to 12 seats showing (all up fr
105 freakyrat : I do not know how accurate F9's seat maps are but I've compared SeatGuru with F9 putting in a typical reservation and F9 will generally show the exit
106 Frontier14 : Any thoughts if this delivery will have the 174 seat configuration that has been mentioned in the past?
107 n7371f : Not very reliable. Because of the fare tiers and the punishment for booking with a third party, many passengers cannot reserve seats until check-in.
108 kmot : Earlier this week David Siegel wrote on the continued search for a buyer. Here is a snippit of what was written: "...on the status of a possible trans
109 Post contains links freakyrat : You are reading too deep into this. F9 isn't going anywhere IMHO. http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...s-two-deals-is-it-missing-the.aspx
110 Post contains links jerseyguy : ILG ticket sales look good especially DEN. Wonder if that renews their interest in finding a way to do TTN-DEN? http://www.wdde.org/46230-frontier-air
111 freakyrat : They are going to do TTN-MDW-DEN same plane svc.
112 slcdeltarumd11 : "...on the status of a possible transaction, we are all stressed, anxious and quite frankly exasperated at this point with the process of finding a bu
113 jerseyguy : They've been doing that ever since they started TTN-MDW back in April. There had been some talk that they were looking into a plane with higher thrus
114 smoot4208 : F9 today announced ILG-RSW 2 x weekly starting in November. I wonder if they're looking at TTN-PBI as well? Could certainly be why they chose ILG-RSW
115 F9animal : Alarm bells should be ringing with Seigels comment. I certainly don't see it as something relieving, but adds more concern to anyone with a vested int
116 GentFromAlaska : I do think ILG-ORH or ILG-BOS makes sense. It connects the credit card banking center in Delaware with the Boston financial district. With that said
117 slcdeltarumd11 : "Alarm bells should be ringing with Seigels comment." Yeah. Clearly republic wants this nightmare over and everyone over there is getting frustrated.
118 n7371f : Mostly agree. If something good was imminent, Seigel never would've have written that. That said, the guy has a history of over-belished comments...n
119 F9animal : Have you seen the disaster Seigel created at Gate Gourmet? He did a real number there, and aimed directly at the employees. He has a very tarnished re
120 GentFromAlaska : I didn't read it like that. I understood the article to be a more cautious approach. F9 seems to maintaining its own and doesn't appear to be hemorrh
121 slcdeltarumd11 : I don't think the words he used such as "stressed", "anxious", "exasperated", and "no gurantees" say that at all. There is nothing steady about the c
122 CarsAir04 : Just my opinion, but I think Republic wants to remain in control now that F9 is starting to show some life and maybe some parties that were interested
123 Post contains links jerseyguy : ILG service starts on Monday 2 things 1. Baggage claim is TINY http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0095009/photos/94726836@N02/9161946974/ 2. Why were the TSA t
124 flyguy89 : Looks like it will probably be adequate for F9's initial operation there, will there ever be more than one flight unloading at a time? Training perha
125 MSYtristar : Adequate for a CRJ. Looks ridiculously small for an A320. Just hope there's not a lot of checked baggage.
126 slcdeltarumd11 : Planes coming from Denver in the Winter are all packed with luggage. Skiiers check a boot bag and ski bag plus usually another bag as well. Ski stuff
127 jerseyguy : Thank god it wasn't WN starting service.
128 GentFromAlaska : Most of the Homeland Security Agencies use the term area-fam or area familiarization. If they carry paper travel orders it probably reads area-fam wh
129 freakyrat : Quoting CarsAir04 Reply 122 "Just my opinion, but I think Republic wants to remain in control now that F9 is starting to show some life and maybe some
130 smoot4208 : My sources tell me that DEN-MBJ will be announced shortly for this coming winter season. The route makes sense in my opinion, and should do well for t
131 Post contains images point2point : DEN-MBJ is showing up on the F9 interactive route map. And yes.... I personally believe that this will be a good route for them as MBJ is in the top
132 smoot4208 : Service is now bookable. Flights operate on Sundays starting on 22Dec. Flights will be operated with an A319.
133 Post contains images point2point : And so far the only dates available from DEN-MBJ are 12/22/13, 12/29/13 and 1/5/14 that I can see. So it's 1X weekly, and so far only 3 flights? Hope
134 smoot4208 : The schedule only goes out until 05Jan though, so there would only be 3 flights. I'm guessing this flight will be in conjunction with Apple (Like DEN
135 Post contains images point2point : Okay, thanks for that. And yes.... more than likely it will be in conjunction with Apple. Surprising to see it only once-weekly though.... although I
136 crj900lr : The whole terminal is tiny. The ticket counter is small and cramped and the check-in lines, they way they have them sectioned out, are not very spaci
137 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Potential news from UA/CO http://thecostaricanews.com/united-a...elling-routes-to-costa-rica/15841. It could be nothing more than a cancellation of th
138 jerseyguy : Anybody hear anything about how customers are reacting to the charging for soda, coffee, etc?
139 freakyrat : Charging for sodas doesn't bother me because I like the IZZE drinks and only F9 has them.
140 GentFromAlaska : Free drinks are on the fast track to become a generational mindset and expectation of days gone by. Although WN still offers complementary drinks and
141 flyguy89 : Uh, add DL, AA, UA, AS, B6, US and VX to that list that still offers free non-alcoholic drinks, not sure how you conclude that free soda and coffee a
142 GentFromAlaska : That's great and I hope each carrier continues it. Do I think complementary drinks will be here in five years; not if the current "pay to use" climat
143 jerseyguy : Never happen, even Ryan Air doesn't really think it would work, they talk about it from time to time but thats all for publicity purposes.
144 Cubsrule : Putting aside US' experiment with charging for drinks in 2009 or 2010, I don't think I've ever been refused a second drink or a full can when I've as
145 GentFromAlaska : Nor have I. But on a domestic flight I can only think of once where I might have asked for a second of anything excluding coffee and that would be mo
146 Frontier14 : Looks like Apple has made it official as one of their new 2014 routes. This route should do well for Frontier with the Apple connection.
147 freakyrat : May traffic figures are in for SBN. Frontier had a stellar month for their SBN-DEN service. Operating 17 flights each way Frontier carried 2,032 passe
148 Cubsrule : Isn't that the point? If you want the whole can, you can have it, but most people don't want the whole can.
149 GentFromAlaska : No not really. Until a few years ago a full can of soda, juice, bottled water was the norm during the initial beverage service. Not any more domestic
150 Post contains links CarsAir04 : Looks like SBN is ending: http://www.9news.com/news/local/arti...cancels-a-nonstop-flight-to-Denver
151 n7371f : With the news of F9 pulling out, a good reminder that a wonderful load factor is nothing unless there are good yields. Clearly that was not the case
152 freakyrat : Actually a little background on SBN's efforts to secure service to Denver on F9. The original SCASD application called for daily service with an E190
153 slcdeltarumd11 : In a competitive environment, every successful business needs a plan and something they can do better than the competition, a competitive advantage. I
154 Cubsrule : How are SBN and TTN at all analogous?
155 slcdeltarumd11 : Both small airports with low competition and high load factors.
156 Jerseyguy : SBN has ULCC Alliegant, Delta and United to contend with all in the same airport TTN has no one except Frontier.
157 Cubsrule : Moreover, SBN is a spoke for F9. TTN is a focus city, albeit a small one. F9 doesn't even fly TTN-DEN.
158 ScottB : They can see that people want to go places which would require a connection somewhere. It's probably more efficient for United to connect those folks
159 GentFromAlaska : You almost have to wonder if the here today gone tomorrow creep has started to show its ugly head and is actually scaring a lot of passengers to pick
160 Jerseyguy : Well, very quietly and I'll say smartly F9 has increased its change fee to $75 for Economy Tickets $25 for Classic Tickets. As much as I don't like in
161 freakyrat : Qouting Scott B: "They can see that people want to go places which would require a connection somewhere. It's probably more efficient for United to co
162 type-rated : At least the F/A didn't tell you "You are the only one on this aircraft that likes that drink. Let's save some for the others." Usually that's a func
163 GentFromAlaska : Yes me and thirty or so other pax who asked for a second beverage. If stares could kill. I'd would have be happy to pay for the second cup if a multi
164 type-rated : I really meant to say "You are not the only one on this aircraft that likes that drink. Let's save some for the others." I would too. And don't even g
165 slcdeltarumd11 : But there was no LCC in SBN. TTN has tons of competition too its called PHL. Its not a totally unserved market Frontier can't charge a large premium
166 Cubsrule : You are proving our point (that they are not analogous), aren't you? At this point, you seem to be arguing with yourself.
167 Jerseyguy : I don't know when G4 started at SBN but I do know that their arrival even if it hadn't happened yet would have weighed in the decision of F9 to pull
168 Post contains links freakyrat : The Motley Fool's have an article today about Republic Airways Corporation, parent of Frontier. The problem at SBN was not that Frontier was not filli
169 smoot4208 : Frontier systemwide LF: Apr: 87 May: 91 Jun: 94 Airports always claim that passengers used the service and that Loadfactors were good. The problem is
170 freakyrat : Here are SBN's enplanement numbers numbers for Frontier: January: 17 flights operated 1699 passengers enplaned: average passengers per flight 99.52 LF
171 Flytravel : That is what Frontier is trying to achieve, emulation to be more like Allegiant and Spirit, or atleast taking some ideas from them. That's why TTN an
172 GentFromAlaska : At least one sect of the leisure flying public appears to be using TTN over PHL and appears to appreciate having it. Joint-Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst
173 ScottB : If brand-loyal passengers are driving to ORD anyway and getting on a UA plane, it's probably better for United if they can't get a premium of $100 or
174 smoot4208 : Looks like Apple Vacations has published their schedules for the 2013/2014 season. I originally had thought PH:-PVR would've been operated by F9, but
175 n7371f : For those who are longtime followers of the new Frontier or the old Frontier, Hank Lund passed away earlier this year. His passing was not publicized
176 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : For the geographically challenged a land reference should be added to the F9 route map for MBJ. http://www.flyfrontier.com/plan-book/routes-schedules/
177 Buddys747 : Well the new schedule is out, looks like no love for MDT, DEN ends January 6th. MCO is only two weekly then goes 3 weekly during spring break? Come on
178 freakyrat : Buddys747 Same frustration at SBN.
179 Jerseyguy : Here's something interesting schedule goes out till March 24th and they havent added TTN-MSY back. Mardi Gras is March 4th. I assume they will load th
180 Flytravel : Maybe it'd consider moving to RDG? It's about one hour of Harrisburg, York, Lancaster, Lebanon, while servicing Reading locally, as well as the Lehig
181 freakyrat : RDG's runway is adequate but maybe a little short for nonstops to DEN.
182 Post contains images gustywinds : Here is Frontier's newest A320 with sharklets. It flew LAS to DEN last night. You can choose a name here - https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/ZT75MTV It's
183 GentFromAlaska : I'm surprised they decided on a more vicious breed of shark. In my mind a hammerhead or even a more docile species such as the whale shark would have
184 slcdeltarumd11 : Isn't this the exact reason they claim they cut COS. People wouldn't pay a premium over DEN.
185 Post contains links and images Jerseyguy : I suggested Tony the Tiger Shark.. I think the suggestion is GRRRREAATT Well apparently they are happy with the results out of TTN as they extended t
186 FRNT787 : Trentonvis different than COS because Trenton is being used instead of Philadelphia and Newark. COS was originally designed to be used alongside thei
187 F9animal : I like the shark! Very nice! There is a large group of employees wanting to dedicate the name of: Hunter. This is the name of a flight attendant that
188 GentFromAlaska : For all of the naysayers and doubting Thomas's I'd call a five year lease extension a long haul commitment. I'm glad to see F9 has found a niche at T
189 smoot4208 : Per the latest schedule extension: DEN-DRO goes seasonal (as of now) on 29Oct DEN-ABQ is canceled as of 05JAN DCA-OMA/MSN/MCI are canceled as of 05JAN
190 n7371f : And not fly during ski season? Odd.
191 Flytravel : Are you sure there are so many skiiers going out to DEN? I can't imagine it being a major driver from the east coast. I think WN and UA make DEN work
192 LAXintl : Except there certainly is a 30 or 60 termination allowance. Such leases are rather meaningless to gauge commitment to a market, but instead standard
193 GentFromAlaska : I know it as a generalized bilateral escape or termination clause. With that said there are a multitude of unilateral clauses which protect both side
194 airliner371 : I also notice LGA goes down to just 1 daily flight, it gets rid of the overnight in LGA.
195 Post contains images rampart : Marine biologists disagree. No more dangerous than Grizwald. Personally, I'm more fearful of rabid raccoons (1000s of cases per year). Cute on a F9 t
196 GentFromAlaska : I've come face to face with a few bears not behind zoo cages hiking in Alaska. The truth be known bear bells do work. Bear spray not so much outside
197 Buddys747 : Well a few thoughts, I worked up until last year at a local ski hill in Harrisburg so I got to know quite a few people involved with skiing, from reg
198 GentFromAlaska : Borrowed from enilria OAG thread WN DEN-PVD DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 Although this appears to be a seasonal adjustment If F9 was ever to
199 F9animal : On another thread, someone mentioned a 319 was damaged. Does anyone have info on it? Where did it get damaged, and when is it expected to return. Appa
200 slcdeltarumd11 : The ski demand will be more the suburbanites in the cities. The poconos and colorado/utah skiing are a joke to compare like this. Why travel to nyc w
201 Post contains links illinoisman : http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayi...rango-to-seasonal-service/2603479/ "Kip Turner, the aviation director for Durango-La Plata County Airport, tell
202 FRNT787 : Well, you can believe the article you linked to the thread. Or you can believe what you heard. Either way, frontier has decided that sending 141 seat
203 bjorn14 : Could F9 make COS work as a hub if they gave up DEN?
204 Cross757 : Would someone be willing to post a comprehensive list of the N-number registrations that F9 currently has in its fleet? I know that some "tails" have
205 william : Short answer........NO! Google Western Pacific Airlines, they tried, and had a pretty good business plan of selling ad space on the plane itself.
206 Post contains links sunking737 : http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Frontier%20Airlines-active-a319.htm
207 Cross757 : Thank you!
208 slcdeltarumd11 : They did a COS experiment last Summer. Like all the focus cities they have tried they pulled it. They say people wouldn't pay high enough a premium t
209 Post contains links ERJ : While they don't keep this list fully updated, it does give you tail and animals for most of the fleet. http://www.flyfrontier.com/fun-stuff/animal-t
210 enilria : Some things just come back from the dead over and over again like zombies, but rest assured even if the enlivened corpse crawls out again, the dirt w
211 Cross757 : In my opinion I'm not sure regional brand attachment matters much anymore...reference WN when it moved into the northeast part of the U.S...seeing a
212 Post contains links flyinryan99 : More fuel on the fire that Indigo is the buyer - dumping all of their shares in Spirit. http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...iggest-shareholder-is-s
213 Flytravel : But MDT/Central PA is a lot smaller of a market than PHL Skiing out west for the better experience is a premium and analogous to vacationing in Hawai
214 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : In the humor arena; perhaps it was the competition http://www.durangosilvertonrailroad.com/ I was watching a public television special last night whi
215 n471wn : COS could so easily be to DEN what OAK is to SFO------someday an airline will do the demographics and see the huge population in Colorado that is act
216 F9animal : I am still bummed that Republic won't put the C Series with Frontier. I think the C would be a great aircraft in F9.
217 FRNT787 : Riding that railroad was one of the great memories from my childhood.
218 alphascan : Much like your endless predictions of doom for Frontier.
219 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : O.T: Yes I had the opportunity to ride the Grand Canyon railroad from Williams, Arizona up to to the Canyon and back many years ago and also the Whit
220 rampart : This seems not to have worried Alaska, Northwest, Southwest, or Delta over the years. Great Lakes Aviation is based nowhere near the Great Lakes of I
221 Jerseyguy : Yeah there is a sweet spot between PHL/EWR pricing and extreme discounts such as the $91RT ILG-IAH they were offering a few weeks ago. Anyone know wh
222 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : If your open up http://www.gcmap.com/ the Great Circle Mapper home page shows F9 route from ILG. Of everything that could be on a third party homepage
223 flyusairways : Just a heads-up that the final scheduled F9 A318 flight is today. N803FR (a.k.a "Stu") will conclude its F9 career with DEN-PHX and be ferried to GYR
224 Jerseyguy : Are they still going to keep 1 A318 incase of a extended mechanical problem with the A319?
225 jerseyguy : Just booked my parents an award tickets ILG-SNA via DEN. Can anyone tell me why stretch seating from DEN to SNA is $25.00 while seating from ILG to DE
226 jerseyguy : Effective January 6, 2014, Classic Tickets only come with 1 free checked bag. Disappointing but not unreasonable, it really made it a good value, now
227 n471wn : [ And no doubt it will be scrapped just like the other 10 were---what a disaster the A-318 Frontier deal has been for all concerned
228 GentFromAlaska : I've heard the A-318 referred to as the modern day Edsel of aviation. It might explain why F9 got them very cheap some 12-13 years ago. I suspect Air
229 enilria : I predicted that VX would beat F9's operating margin in 2Q and they did by double. If Indigo sells their NK stake at a price they want, you are going
230 slcdeltarumd11 : If southwest couldn't make PCs-den work. Frontier has no chance. If indgo buys them i think we will see DEN reduced pretty quickly. It might remain th
231 Post contains links and images rampart : Delta's name originated with the Mississippi Delta region. http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=18&cat=39 Northwest existed historically, did not re
232 n7371f : Franke would be crazy to spend the millions to rebrand Frontier with some different name. It didn't do it with Spirit either. Even though Frontier is
233 rj777 : They could keep the animals and re-name it something like Air West.
234 Flytravel : One thing Frontier doesn't have is the basic frontier.com. That was taken by Frontier Communications. It's a more complicated flyfrontier.com. Then a
235 apfpilot : I'm a summit and the only reason I fly them anymore is because I can make a day trip out to my office in DEN from IND. I don't get free TV anymore an
236 Post contains links freakyrat : Here is some interesting data from South Bend, Indiana where Frontier decided to end service on the Denver flights on September 8th. Can you say bad m
237 GentFromAlaska : I have a hunch you'll see them return to SBN in late Spring and across the Summer.
238 freakyrat : GentFromAlaska. I think you are right. When all is said and done September 8th they will have flown 194 flights carrying 20,000 plus passengers at an
239 n7371f : Yield my friend. I suggest your look it up. It'll help explain why some routes with robust load factors still don't make money.
240 freakyrat : Yield is the job of the Finance Dept's and F9's probably didn't do a good job on this one. It would be interesting to see what their yields were on th
241 enilria : If that is true at F9, it is the only airline in the world with that organizational structure. Finance is in charge of cost control and revenue falls
242 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Saw this F9 http://www.smartertravel.com/airfare...1%3A%3A7597281%3A%3A15808512%3A%3A The sale expires tonight Thursday 8-15-13.
243 freakyrat : eniliria Thanks for your insight, revenue is the job of the planning dept and F9 also has a yield management section of their planning dept. Personall
244 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Don't you just hate when they used a canned statement like that. I looked at a snapshot of sale fares offered on the F9 URL today SBN-DEN priced for
245 freakyrat : The last I checked fares were just about the same connecting through ORD or DTW however I got my UA R/T fare from DFW-SBN in November for 326.00 taxes
246 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : PSM (Portsmouth, NH) is announcing new airline service next week. http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20130815-NEWS-130819882 The carrier is rumore
247 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : The federal General Services Administration GSA released the federal city pair airfare contracts for the federal government fiscal year 14 (FY-14) The
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