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New Frontier Part 42  
User currently offlineLuxair747SP From Germany, joined May 2010, 508 posts, RR: 18
Posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 29748 times:

As the old thread got quite long please continue discussing here.

The previous thread can be found here
New Frontier Part 41 (by iowaman Feb 6 2013 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2013-03-20 11:45:23]

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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 29480 times:

Because F9 has sold airfare on Groupon they may want to get involved with the Army-Air Force-Exchange System (AAFES) leisure travel program http://www.shopmyexchange.com/EmailI...sletter/images-new/main-032113.jpg It looks like US, AA, DL, B6 and NK are already on-board.

I would think TTN to any Florida markets would do well. You have a lot of military families in around TTN with Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst. Staten Island, NY has has a Navy Facility amongst others installations in and around the greater NYC and Philly areas. Out west I'm told there is a significant military population around the greater DEN/COS catchment area. I've been told the area is in a top five list of military installations retirees select as their final home of selection for the perks after they exit the service. Looking at the ad Branson appears to be another popular market.

Unlike official government travel this travel service is for leisure and available to families and military retirees who are authorized to shop the military Exchange system. Dependents (the brood) are generally authorized through age 21 or 24 if enrolled as a full time college student.

In the MCO area the military has the Shades of the Green hotel which is best understood as a members only recreation facility for all facets of the military family.



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 29114 times:

Well...... now that G4 has left FNL...... it seems that the airport manager there is looking for another carrier to run the couple-of-times-a-week FNL-LAS flight.......

http://www.coloradoan.com/article/20...port-refines-its-pitch-new-airline

I would wonder if there is any way that F9 could do route (well... they probably could get a plane to run FNL-LAS and back twice a week) with the end result of having some plus $$$$$ in the F9 coffer from doing this?

 



[Edited 2013-03-26 22:38:17]

User currently offlineuncgso From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 29059 times:

persuaded my dad to book GSO-DEN in June ... got a great rate even after upgrading to 'Classic' and Stretch seating, although he opted for DL on return as it was $150 cheaper ... F9 was asking $289 oneway (and online seat map the flight was over 3/4 full) ... ill take that as a good sign and am hoping the GSO-DEN flight does well enough to go daily  

User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 28774 times:

CAPA has posted another article about F9

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...files-or-falls-between-them-103050

a lot of numbers, stats about F9 here, and other info that we know. This article also seems to indicate that F9 is going about its own path into making itself an ULCC/hybrid........

 


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 28562 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 4):

Glad to see the word hybrid being used. It fits neatly. A LCC in the West and a ULCC in the East . That's what I've taken from the last conference call anyways.



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User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1857 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 28507 times:

So basically, it looks like F9 is going to be SOLD rather than be spun off....... the big question now...... who's going to be the buyer? And if I heard correctly, they were supposed to make that decision by the end of March (now 1 day away)

User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1311 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days ago) and read 28307 times:

Looks like F9 extended their schedule to 11/13/13. A couple items of note:

DEN-EUG/TYS operates through 10/24
DEN-GSO goes through 9/8
DEN-MDT stays at 4x weekly through the remainder of the schedule.

DEN-GRR ends September 7. It looks like yet another route where the economics of 3 airlines on it just doesn't work. I have to wonder though, if I'm WN why not just keep adding more F9 DEN destinations like LIT, ORF, and DSM? Based on DAY, CAK, , SDF and now GRR it seems clear that F9 either can't compete with them or chooses to walk away from the competition. Either way it's a win if you're WN.

All of the TTN flying (including MSY) resumes the last week the schedule is open (11/8-11/13)

Only other item I noticed was AZA no longer says 'operates seasonally until April 7'. Instead it now says 'discontinued after April 7'. The reverse is true for ZIH. So maybe at this point, they plan on returning to ZIH next winter.

[Edited 2013-03-31 16:00:39]

User currently offlineAirDance From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 28286 times:

Frontier will stop flying the DEN - GRR route after September 8th, 2013. This must be in response to Southwest flying the route beginning August 11th.

User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 872 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 28182 times:
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At least SBN-DEN will never be touched by WN. Frontiers loads have been hit or miss but are picking back up again. December of last year was F9's best month so far on the route and then it dropped off after the holidays but average load factors are now back up to 82% and that is actually better that WN's average company load factor so I hope F9 stays.

User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1311 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28114 times:

Looking through the new schedule, I can't find any E190 flights after 9/8 with the exception of DCA-OMA/MSN/MCI. Those 3 cities to DEN though have all flights on 319s so I'm curious what the plan is for the E190s. I wonder if those 3 Republic slots can't be physically operated by frontier or what? With the last A318 flight scheduled for 8/9 as well, it looks like F9 will finally be down to just 319/320 flights (at least at DEN)

User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2002 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 28090 times:
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With the merger of US and AA, it is likely that there will have to be the release of some DCA slots, any routes that F9 could possibly apply for and make money off of, hopefully outside of the general DEN area so as to operate when DEN cannot?


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User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 27964 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 11):
With the merger of US and AA, it is likely that there will have to be the release of some DCA slots, any routes that F9 could possibly apply for and make money off of, hopefully outside of the general DEN area so as to operate when DEN cannot?


They haven't been too successful with that. They weren't able to get COS-DCA, and then proceeded to can all of the flights from there (I'm sure their history of short lived routes doesn't help). Then I think they applied for SDF-DCA or something like that, even though they weren't even using all theirs slots in the first place?



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25328 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 27949 times:
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Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 12):
Then I think they applied for SDF-DCA or something like that, even though they weren't even using all theirs slots in the first place?

Hmmm? Frontier has no within-perimeter slots.

Any within-perimeter service it offers is by using Republic slots, acquired from Midwest, for some of which Republic has other uses.

mariner



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 27713 times:

For those who may be contemplating a trip to/from Alaska I saw some really decent prices from ANC to fifty destinations in the lower 48 in the $89 fare special which are valid across the Summer through September 8th LAS-ANC for $173 each way. FLL-ANC for $240.00 each way.

We can only hope the Pacific Northwest will be able to participate on F9 at some point in the not to distant future without having to fly back to DEN. It might be time to look at BLI-ANC seasonally.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 27672 times:

For the sake of discussion I want to field comments about K5 possibly becoming a potential regional partner for F9 http://www.seaportair.com/route-map.php A code-share gives F9 the Southeast Alaska.

K5 is also expanding in the lower 48 under the Sea-Port brand. A couple of the biggies would be DFW, PDX, SAN other medium size airports would be BNA, MCI and maybe MEM.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 27574 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 15):
A couple of the biggies would be DFW,

Correction DAL which puts it in the medium sized airport department.



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User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 872 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 27151 times:
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Looks like Frontier is adding service at TTN and adding a new city in ILG.

User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2002 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 27095 times:
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Quoting freakyrat (Reply 17):
Looks like Frontier is adding service at TTN and adding a new city in ILG.

Just to clarify I believe you mean starting previously announced service at TTN and the ILG service is a new announcement.



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User currently offlineTPAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 27004 times:

I guess this thread is the place for this, forgive me if I am wrong, anyway, do you know what happened to the TPA to OMA, DSM, and MKE? They were running seasonally in winter 2011, and then it seemed as if just dropped off. Does it still run, and if so, when?

User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2002 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 26988 times:
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Well you have TTN and now ILG. What's the next airport Worchester (ORH)?? I'm sure they would even get some subsidies from Massport. Sure they like B6 but want more than MCO and FLL.


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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1311 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 26968 times:

I'm curious if TOL could support this current strategy (TTN & ILG). TOL has a large metro area, and I wonder if an ULCC like F9 could succeed there.

User currently offlineuncgso From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 26882 times:

with all this TTN, ILG, ORH, TOL, etc talk i cant help but wonder why GSO isnt more on F9's radar ... being midway between CLT & RDU (and ROA, HKY, Boone, etc) i would think that F9 would do well from here to MDW, IAH, TTN, etc ...WN obviously has no intentions of serving GSO (even though its the 3rd or 4th largest metro without WN service) ... wondering if maybe the limited (3X weekly service) is a turn off to the business travelers in the Triad region ... imo GSO is a great regional airport with cheap parking, short TSA lines, and is central to a large population ... fwiw i did see a huge billboard touting Frontier to DEN on on NC68 yesterday as well as adverts for the same service on the front page of the News & Record ... and btw i still dont get not opening TTN-GSO instead of TTN-RDU just my   

User currently offlineFrontier14 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 26762 times:

There is a spring snow storm going on in Denver today. Frontier flights are being impacted by low visibility and ATC spacing. However, there are few, if any, cancellations so far. United has cancelled a number of flights as of mid-morning.

User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 26752 times:

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 17):
Looks like Frontier is adding service at TTN and adding a new city in ILG.

Here's the Sky Vector airport info for New Castle http://skyvector.com/airport/ILG/New-Castle-Airport
And we thought TTN-PHF was to close. TTN-ILG is about what 70 miles?

When this service inaugurates all fifty states will have regularly scheduled airline passenger service. In the trivia department Delaware was the only state that did not.

I suppose the credit card companies who have their HQ in Delaware would use the service. This route seems awful drivable though. My early thoughts are the new ILG service needs to be connected to the banking center in and around CLT to work



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User currently onlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1543 posts, RR: 12
Reply 25, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 26756 times:

Anyone else find it funny that Siegel is now the one laying siege to US Airways in Philly?


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User currently offlinejgrantco From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 26812 times:

The Denver Post naming two firms in discussions with Republic...

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...-investment-firms-potential-buyers


User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2002 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 26967 times:
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Quoting jgrantco (Reply 26):
The Denver Post naming two firms in discussions with Republic...

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...-investment-firms-potential-buyers

Just what we need another Spirit Air.



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User currently offlinecrj900lr From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 26921 times:

Quoting FL787 (Reply 25):
Anyone else find it funny that Siegel is now the one laying siege to US Airways in Philly?

I really don't think US Airways even cares about F9 and their service from TTN and ILG. Not really going impact any airline flying out of PHL.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25532 posts, RR: 50
Reply 29, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 26685 times:

I understand that the F9 dispatch center and SOC will be relocated back to DEN.

Part of guiding the company into new ownership.



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User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1735 posts, RR: 12
Reply 30, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 26640 times:
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Quoting crj900lr (Reply 28):
I really don't think US Airways even cares about F9 and their service from TTN and ILG. Not really going impact any airline flying out of PHL.

Agreed.


User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2002 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 26195 times:
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Guess ILG bookings are doing well, intro fares now starting at $79 (Up from $49)

[Edited 2013-04-21 19:21:16]


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User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 26074 times:

What happened to AZA? I flew the flght in Feb AZA-Den-BNA and the first flight was full. ( flew on sarge the bald eagle) I didn't hear they dropped it.

User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 872 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 25875 times:
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Just checked some scenarios on SeatGuru for SBN-DEN R/T's. DEN-SBN-DEN loads are looking really good during the Indy500 Race weekend. (Do you think race fans are discovering cheaper fares to SBN on F9 and then driving to Indy?) Also Notre Dame Commencement weekend is booked pretty well. According to SBN officials load factors on F9 are increasing as people learn of these flights and it looks like these flights are beginning to work out.

User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 25828 times:

Quoting crj900lr (Reply 28):
I really don't think US Airways even cares about F9 and their service from TTN and ILG. Not really going impact any airline flying out of PHL.

I think the only route it might care about is if F9 launched ILG-CLT, flying from PHL's backyard into US' other hub, a fortress hub. The fares are steep on PHL-CLT, a monopoly route, but it's high frequency and short haul. It might just aggravate US enough for US to launch ILG-CLT as well, providing low one-stop fares via CLT to F9's chosen markets until F9 is forced to drop ILG altogether when US will drop it shortly afterwards. I think F9 should stay clear of launching it.

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 20):
What's the next airport Worchester (ORH)?? I'm sure they would even get some subsidies from Massport. Sure they like B6 but want more than MCO and FLL.

I think HGR would work. It's one hour from areas like Germantown, MD which is part of the DC suburbs. It'd fit in with the ILG/TTN type approach. Be at an underused airport, with free parking, about one hour away (reasonable drive) from the suburbs of a major city in the east. For the region, it also has DCA-DEN already, so it'd complement it.

Compared to Philly which has 4 carriers currently (US, UA, AA, and WN) flying to Chicago, DC has just three (UA, AA and WN). Given that WAS is a bigger market with fewer carriers, it's likely not as competitive as it could be. It'd present great opportunity for F9 to stimulate low fares to CHI/MDW, although Florida might be stimulated atleast out of BWI with NK flying there, WN, and B6 at DCA.

As far as New England, F9 might as well go back to BOS. Perhaps not with BOS-DEN which is competitive, but with TTN-BOS early morning flight. Some could fly TTN-BOS and return BOS-EWR and take NJTransit home.

Maybe F9 could expand it's presence at PHF too. FL used to fly PHF-BOS. F9 could fly that route, with PHF-MDW, PHF-DEN, PHF-MCO. New York service would be ideal in the mix too in order for F9 at PHF to be like FL at PHF. I thnk TTN is too far from NYC to be used as a viable gateway into the city, even though Trenton technically falls in the New York CSA.

[Edited 2013-04-22 19:41:52]

User currently offlinewhatusaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 25754 times:

Question to those who know, how accurate are the F9 seat maps as an indication of load factors. FAT - DEN bookings for the first weeks seem surprisingly strong. I didn't expect to see 80 seats booked on a number of flights when we're still a month out from the first flights...

User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 25591 times:

Catching up on some back-reading, I ran across an article that SBD (San Bernardino, CA) is continuing in its process to attract some commercial service.

http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_2290389...irport-still-awaits-an-airline-but

Yes, it's been nearly two decade since the Air Force closed the base there, as well as SBD being sandwiched between PSP and poorly-performing ONT, and the city is probably an epicenter of foreclosures and some pretty negative economic activity, and also throwing some management corruption charges and the fact that this airport has not ever seen any regularly scheduled commercial air service despite managements aggressive and best efforts to do so.... still, the airport will boast very low costs, a terminal ready for passenger service, current management continual aggressive efforts to get any scheduled service, and soon some 6 million population in the Inland Empire for market capture.

So...... is there maybe some sort of possibility that F9 can do some West Coast version with SBD what it is in the process of trying to do with TTN and ILG on the East Coast?

 


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25532 posts, RR: 50
Reply 37, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 25474 times:

Forget SBD. The area is a disaster and hardly a good airport to serve broader SoCal region from.

If F9 wants a relative cheap airport, they had their chance at LGB.
Another option today is BUR where per passenger cost is only about $4 compared to $10+ for LAX and ONT.

Even Allegiant passed over SBD realizing geographic and demographic handicap the airport represents.



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User currently offlineFrontier14 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 25442 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 37):
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 21743 posts, RR: 51
Reply 37, posted Tue Apr 23 2013 18:00:51 your local time (17 minutes 34 secs ago) and read 31 times:

Forget SBD. The area is a disaster and hardly a good airport to serve broader SoCal region from.

Agree, should not be high on the radar screen. Rather, Shurz & Co might want to consider seasonal service from DEN to STS and Sonoma County once airfield modifications there are completed. This route should have some positive traction in the seasonal leisure market. Who knows it could capture some local business traffic if timed right.


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 25240 times:

For those who may be planning a non cruise ship visit to the land of the midnight sun; who may not receive F9 emails. ANC and FAI are on sale through April 29th for travel May 16 through September 16 http://www.flyfrontier.com/promo-code/alaska10

Travel can originate in either direction.



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User currently offlineplanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 40, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 25094 times:

Not sure if this is 'news' but there is a Frontier A319 in GYR wearing revised titles. The silver 'Frontier' has turned into a smaller black 'FlyFrontier.com' title. If this is news, I'll try to get a picture tomorrow (4/25)...

User currently offlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1309 posts, RR: 17
Reply 41, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 24858 times:

F9 just posted this on their Facebook page. N954FR joins their fleet tonight. This tail was previously on N504LX, Mickey the Moose. Thoughts about the special billboard livery? I wonder if it's just this one aircraft or if it's the new livery going forward. The tag line is dropped.

N954FR Mickey the Moose formerly on Q400 N504LX


[Edited 2013-04-28 19:01:51]


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User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2002 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 24745 times:
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Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 41):
Thoughts about the special billboard livery?

I've always been of the group, if it aint broke don't fix it. Sure it does get the website address out there but was anyone who wanted to go there having trouble finding it? I think a majority of people are smart enough to use google or bing or Yahoo or whatever. The new one is a little more crisp and clean but I didn't have a problem with the other one. It does look like it might require less paint though. In any event, only if they did something stupid like accelarate the painting of aircraft would I mind.



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User currently offlineFrontier14 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 24742 times:

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 41):
User currently onlinekingcavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1279 posts, RR: 19
Reply 41, posted Sun Apr 28 2013 19:48:42 your local time (45 minutes 50 secs ago) and read 72 times:

F9 just posted this on their Facebook page. N954FR joins their fleet tonight.

My first reaction is hmmmmmmm.......... Not sure if the new addition appeals or is too much. At least the animal(s) is still intact. Guess we will see.


User currently offlineF9animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5065 posts, RR: 28
Reply 44, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 24741 times:

They took the slogan off? And why not just make it: WWW.FLYFRONTIER.COM? Or better yet: HTTP://WWW.FLYFRONTIER.COM. I dont care for it.


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 24538 times:

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 41):

I like it! The moose adds a bit of elegance. The .com is a bit dated though.

At least it not a frickin fictional mouse. I still have my    hoping for a breaching Humpback Whale one day.



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User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 5
Reply 46, posted (1 year 5 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 24366 times:

Quoting kingcavalier (Reply 41):
I wonder if it's just this one aircraft or if it's the new livery going forward.

I don't like it, hopefully its just for that one.



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User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1735 posts, RR: 12
Reply 47, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 24254 times:
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Republic reported rather atrocious financials for Frontier: $20 million loss. If you account for charges due to returning aircraft loss was roughly $15 million.

With still no sale announcement and now these awful results, it could be an interesting session for Bedford with analysts tomorrow. These results do not help Republic's goal of spinning off F9, unless you're hoping for a fire sale.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25328 posts, RR: 85
Reply 48, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 24211 times:
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Quoting n7371f (Reply 47):
Republic reported rather atrocious financials for Frontier: $20 million loss. If you account for charges due to returning aircraft loss was roughly $15 million.

Almost eaxctly what they said it would be in the last conference call - a loss only slightly less than last year's Q1.

It hasn't hurt the stock price.

mariner



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User currently offlineFrontier14 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 24133 times:

[quote=n7371f,
Republic reported rather atrocious financials for Frontier:[/quote]

Q1 has historically been a less than good quarter for Frontier. I do not think this will disuade a possible sale given the new east cost flying, potential increase in future Apple contracts and continued company restructuring efforts as they go forward. Perhaps we will learn more tomorrow from BB.


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Reply 50, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 24095 times:
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Quoting mariner (Reply 48):
Almost eaxctly what they said it would be in the last conference call - a loss only slightly less than last year's Q1.

It hasn't hurt the stock price.

mariner

Of course it's not bad  

Just because an airline gives guidance of a $20 million loss, doesn't make it okay. Get outside the F9 vacuum and look at comparable airlines and the numbers stink (minus United of course).

And results came out after close of NYSE. Doubt there will be a massive drop tomorrow but the longer this drags out, the longer it puts RJET stock at risk.

[Edited 2013-04-29 19:31:50]

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Reply 51, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 24065 times:
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Quoting n7371f (Reply 50):
And results came out after close of NYSE. Doubt there will be a massive drop tomorrow but the longer this drags out, the longer it puts RJET stock at risk.

I think you're missing my point.

This loss was predicted on the last conference call three (?) months ago and has not hurt the stock price since then. If anything the stock has gone up.

I never try to predict what may happen tomorrow.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 50):
Get outside the F9 vacuum and look at comparable airlines and the numbers stink (minus United of course).

I very seldom post in these Frontier threads anymore, nor do I intend to do so. Once we had predictions of imminently filing Chapter 11, the smack talk had reached a level which made it too tedious to contribute.

My interest in Frontier and its place in the scheme of things has not changed one jot. How I express that interest has.

mariner

[Edited 2013-04-29 19:56:34]


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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1311 posts, RR: 12
Reply 52, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 24036 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 51):
Quoting n7371f (Reply 50):
And results came out after close of NYSE. Doubt there will be a massive drop tomorrow but the longer this drags out, the longer it puts RJET stock at risk.

I think you're missing my point.

This loss was predicted on the last conference call three (?) months ago and has not hurt the stock price since then. If anything the stock has gone up.

I never try to predict what may happen tomorrow.

The earnings tomorrow will not change the stock price. Tomorrow's results are very close to what investors were expecting.

Now, what the earnings tomorrow do say is the following:

As the two potential investors look to potentially make an offer for F9, they're going to want an airline that is stable. Since the restructure, has F9 been able to reduce loses or increase revenues? In the summer months, yes. Frontier should have no problem making money in Q2/Q3. Even though F9 is a different carrier than the legacies, they will get asked how other airlines can improve YoY Q1 results and now are making money in historically the worst quarter while F9 hasn't made much improvement. So to an investor, the above isn't necessarily a game changer, but it does add an increased amount of risk to their investment which means a lower offer price that they'd be willing to pay Republic.

I'll be interested to hear what Daniel Shurz outlook is for F9 going forward.

I do think Republic is going to have to except that their not going to get what they want $$ wise for F9.

Quoting mariner (Reply 51):
Quoting n7371f (Reply 50):
Get outside the F9 vacuum and look at comparable airlines and the numbers stink (minus United of course).

I very seldom post in these Frontier threads anymore, nor do I intend to do so. Once we had predictions of imminently filing Chapter 11, the smack talk had reached a level which made it too tedious to contribute.

My interest in Frontier and its place in the scheme of things has not changed one jot. How I express that interest has.

I don't think anyone is bashing your like for F9, I just think some on here would like you (and your biggest adversary as well) to look at some of the things F9/Republic does more objectively rather than just praise every decision (or in the case of your adversary, bash every decision.


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Reply 53, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 24055 times:
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Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 52):
I don't think anyone is bashing your like for F9, I just think some on here would like you (and your biggest adversary as well) to look at some of the things F9/Republic does more objectively rather than just praise every decision (or in the case of your adversary, bash every decision.

Whether they are or they aren't is completely irrelevant to this. I come to a.net for my purposes, not for theirs.

I am not asking anyone to change what they think - bash away, if that what they want to do. Similarly, I don't think anyone should ask, or expect, me to change what I think, as you appear to be doing.

The answer - to the problem that I perceive - is simple.

mariner

[Edited 2013-04-29 22:19:22]


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User currently onlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1543 posts, RR: 12
Reply 54, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 23904 times:

Not a fantastic but an in-person photo of the new titles:



Personally I probably the old/regular titles but it doesn't make much of a difference.



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Reply 55, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 23709 times:
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Looks like the "Flyfrontier.com" livery is the new livery

According to flyfrontier.com
"Frontier is proud to introduce our new livery that prominently features FlyFrontier.com, where you always get More Choice, More Perks, More Savings. This new FlyFrontier.com livery will be introduced as new aircraft enter our fleet or undergo painting.

Our animals remain icons on each aircraft. They are iconic and represent our character, commitment to service, and sense of humor.

The first aircraft in our new livery entered service on April 28 with Mickey the Moose adorning the tail. Having flown on a 737 and a Q400 tail previously, Mickey is leaving retirement and making his Airbus tail debut."

http://www.flyfrontier.com/who-we-ar.../company-info/our-fleet/new-livery



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User currently onlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1936 posts, RR: 21
Reply 56, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 23665 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 42):
Sure it does get the website address out there but was anyone who wanted to go there having trouble finding it?

I know I've personally accidentally gone to frontier.com a few times (which isn't owned by F9 FYI), so I'm sure it does cause a fair bit of confusion for others not "in the know".


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 57, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 23450 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 51):
I very seldom post in these Frontier threads anymore, nor do I intend to do so. Once we had predictions of imminently filing Chapter 11, the smack talk had reached a level which made it too tedious to contribute.

If it helps I learned along time ago to ignore the "sky is falling" bashers who for the most part have lost their creditability who can't seem to grasp the business component. Don't let it get to you! At the end of the day it's just a forum.

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 55):
Our animals remain icons on each aircraft. They are iconic and represent our character, commitment to service, and sense of humor.

Stubborn as a moose I suppose.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23076 posts, RR: 20
Reply 58, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 23356 times:

Quoting uncgso (Reply 22):
...WN obviously has no intentions of serving GSO (even though its the 3rd or 4th largest metro without WN service) ... wondering if maybe the limited (3X weekly service) is a turn off to the business travelers in the Triad region

I don't know that sub-daily service is a big turnoff in places like GSO where it's tough to be loyal to a single carrier (at least if you value your time). In BNA, a much bigger, much better-served market, I'll pick F9 when I can, but I realize that that's not that often. I just came back from GEG and flew DL one way and F9 the other. Part of flying F9 is understanding that sometimes they can't get you where you want to go, but in smaller markets that's true of the legacies (and WN, not to mention smaller LFCs) too.



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User currently offlinenzblue From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 59, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 23328 times:

And now it's official. Frontier will begin to charge some passengers for carry-on bags and beverages.

Frontier Enhances Services for Customers Using FlyFrontier.com



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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4602 posts, RR: 23
Reply 60, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 23263 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 21):
I'm curious if TOL could support this current strategy (TTN & ILG). TOL has a large metro area, and I wonder if an ULCC like F9 could succeed there.

Little late getting to this, so I apologize. I would say yes and no. Granted I haven't lived up there for 15 years, I still stay in touch and keep up to date on things. Based on numbers shared during the Airport Committee (review posted: http://www.flytol.com/?p=43) meeting last month, TOL is only capturing about 5.7% of its market's pdew (185 pdew of 3241 pdew). DTW is handling 64.3% of it. The rest likely flows to CLE and CMH. The biggest drivers for the TOL market is that people want nonstop service and not having to connect. F9 also has hesitation with TOL when it comes to any response from DL, who capture 44% of all TOL catchment area pax.

The top markets from the study were MCO/SFB (259), FLL/MIA/PBI (206), LAS (197), ORD/MDW (174), TPA/PIE (152), followed by PHX, RSW/PGD, JFK/LGA/EWR, LAX/ONT/SNA/BUR, and DCA/IAD/BWI. They didn't release exact pdew numbers on those final 5 markets. I would imagine they are all going to fall between 100 and 150 pdew.

Markets 1, 4, 5 and 7 all have existing nonstop service right now. G4 handles SFB, PIE, and PGD. G4 is currently running 92% full from TOL and are only pulling ~14% of SFB/MCO and 27% of TPA/PIE markets (details weren't given for PGD). AA is only retaining 16% of the ORD/MDW market due to higher fares compared to DTW. So to me that shows there is a lot of potential growth that an ULCC could pull off. The problem is the fare competition with DTW. TOL pax want their nonstops, but they also want to the cheap tickets.

NK dominates low fare pricing in most markets - MCO $87, FLL $82, LAS $137, TPA $77, RSW $76, NYC $105, and LAX $141. WN has lowest fare to MDW $124 and BWI - $133. US to PHX $231.

So sure the market potential is there, but F9 is going to be facing some insanely low fares to be able to pull the market share required to make it feasible. Someone else can probably chime in, but F9 had a 2012 CASM around 11.79 whereas Spirit had a CASM ex-fuel at 6.04. I couldn't find an F9 figure without fuel, which is a shocker since normally you can't find it with fuel. LOL I would still hazard to guess that F9 has a pricing disadvantage to NK. However, they have a product advantage that can turn people away from NK towards them. There is also plenty of market left to where they shouldn't impact G4 or AA negatively. The biggest issue, I think, for them is overcoming the fear that Mother Delta is going to crash fares in DTW to try to stop them since DL controls 44% of the TOL originating market.

Say perfect world and it is something they want to go for. They could easily looking at MCO, FLL, TPA, RSW as a good starting point. MDW I think could do really well for them, but they likely wouldn't do more than a flight a day which would hurt business traffic (and competing against DTW). Looking at LAS, PHX, NYC, LAX, and BWI/WAS...they haven't really ventured into having non-hub flights into those markets. DCA being the exception with the flights into old Midwest markets. I'm not sure F9 really wants to get into a Midwest to FL only situation as well without connecting to some other part of the network.


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Reply 61, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 23103 times:
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Does F9 board and deplane both the front and the rear of the aircraft in any locations? At airports that don't have jetbridges it would increase boarding or unloading time.


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Reply 62, posted (1 year 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 23105 times:
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Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 61):
Does F9 board and deplane both the front and the rear of the aircraft in any locations? At airports that don't have jetbridges it would increase boarding or unloading time.

Nope. And it's a fair question. I am very curious how F9 is going to pull this off - boarding and during flight - without large risk to its excellent customer service reputation.

How much of a mess is the boarding process going to be for agents to differentiate between a flyfrontier.com booking and someone else?

How easy is it going to be for gate agents to promptly issue a carry-on bag fee? Will the passenger stand in the boarding line and hold up everyone else - or will there be an area to the side to avoid holding up everyone else?

During the flight, clearly the pace of the service will slow...maybe even substantially. Flight attendants are now glorified grocery store checkers. Even with a manifest right in front of them, they'll have to constantly be cross checking -- and even more problematic will be having to register dozens more credit card transactions.

I'll give F9 management benefit of the doubt on this and assume they've been planning this out for months and have every scenario checked out. I sure hope they do - otherwise the date this is implemented will be a mess. In my many experiences with F9, they are excellent in normal operations but become totally unglued under abnormal ops -- and all of these changes present potential major abnormal operational headaches.

We shall see...


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Reply 63, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 22752 times:
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Just checked on SeatGuru.com for some sample F9 SBN-DEN, DEN-SBN flights to see how loads are doing. Seems like Michiana folks are discovering Frontier and starting to avoid O"Hare for connections. Loads are much better than on the flights I took in January. Load factors are inching up and if this keeps up will hit the airport's avg. load factor of 84%. The next three weekends show flights booked in excess of 111 passengers and more on the Notre Dame graduation weekend and the Memorial Day holiday weekend. Mother's Day weekend looks good also. Hope this keeps up so we can keep F9 flying out of SBN.

User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 64, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 22504 times:

WN announced their intent to kabosh DEN-PVD. Might this be a opportunity for F9 to jump on the route which will give. the carrier a small footprint in New England?.

I've used the T.F.Green airport located ten or so miles south of Providence on I-95 in Warwick Rhode Island over BOS many times.

The rental cars cost much less when compared airport to airport (PVD vs. BOS) and even much less if rented off the airport. There is a Hertz rental car merchant less than one mile from the airport. Additional savings may be available through a motor club such as AAA. PVD is a three hour drive to southern Maine. We flew into PVD late last Summer for a week of gallivanting around Maine; pigging out on seafood.

If there was a bonus PVD is not managed by MassPort. From a flyers perspective the PVD airport does need some internal airport upgrades. It was a bustling airport less than a year ago. I'm not sure if PVD would work from TTN I think it is too close for large jet service.



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User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2002 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 22407 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 64):
I've used the T.F.Green airport located ten or so miles south of Providence on I-95 in Warwick Rhode Island over BOS many times.

I wonder if they could make the pricing work where people would use the train to Boston (1:20-1:30) and $15 each way



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 66, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 22033 times:

The latest F9 email advertisement show the Snowshoe Hare (Jack I think) in combination with the new FlyFrontier.com banding. Unless the pix was photo shopped for the advertisement I suspect the next tail donning the flyfroniter.com across the fuselage will be Jack.

Somewhat disappointing SmarterTravel.com recently named their picks for the eight best small airlines in Morth America. F9 did not make the list. http://www.smartertravel.com/photo-g...8%3A%3A7597281%3A%3A14844141%3A%3A

These polls are usually a peoples choice. Although F9 is currently running a large ad campaign in TTN. I think the results indicate F9 still has some advertising to consider across their entire system. I also suspect part of this can be chalked up to the here today gone tomorrow as seen in the eyes of the flying public.



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User currently offlineAntoniemey From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1572 posts, RR: 4
Reply 67, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 21828 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 66):
Unless the pix was photo shopped for the advertisement I suspect the next tail donning the flyfroniter.com across the fuselage will be Jack.

I haven't seen Jack in awhile, so I'd say it's definitely a possibility, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it was a photoshop job. I can say that there are a few F9 planes in dire need of a new coat of paint...



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User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2002 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 21584 times:
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Well since pictures of New Castle County Airport are so elusive, I decieded to go take some myself.

Outside the terminal
http://flic.kr/p/ejFqex


What will eventually become Frontier's ticket counter

http://flic.kr/p/ejFqXt
http://flic.kr/p/ejMaSs


Banner on the outside of the door to the arrivals area
http://flic.kr/p/ejFs3H


Sorry I couldn't get more than that, terminal isn't in much use and is therefore locked up in most places.

I hope it cleans up nice, because ILG makes TTN look like JFK T5.



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Reply 69, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 21420 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 66):
Somewhat disappointing SmarterTravel.com recently named their picks for the eight best small airlines in Morth America. F9 did not make the list. http://www.smartertravel.com/photo-g...3A%3A

Frontier isn't going to get crap after the massively confusing fee announcement. They may need to go that route to survive but in one fellow swoop, Frontier pissed away their customer service rep well earned since July 4, 1994.


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Reply 70, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 21301 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 68):
Well since pictures of New Castle County Airport are so elusive, I decieded to go take some myself.

Thank you!

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 68):
I hope it cleans up nice, because ILG makes TTN look like JFK T5.

LOL, when asked about the rather dismal state of TTN's facilities, F9 said something along the lines of "people don't choose an airport because it's pretty". I'm sure they won't mind  .



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User currently offlinemikefrommke From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 351 posts, RR: 12
Reply 71, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 21198 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 69):
Frontier isn't going to get crap after the massively confusing fee announcement. They may need to go that route to survive but in one fellow swoop, Frontier pissed away their customer service rep well earned since July 4, 1994.

Spirit and Allegient made that list...

[Edited 2013-05-17 06:23:33]

User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 72, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 21184 times:

Five off season destinations. F9 already serves Costa Rica seasonally. St Lucia in the Lesser Antilles http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...9QSd74GYDg&ved=0CEEQ9QEwAQ&dur=500 been one my    destinations either as a Apple Vacation flight or stand-alone possibly from TTN. I sailed into St. Lucia in the early 1990's and found it by far to be my favorite islands. I hope to go back one-day to see how it has changed. In the U.S. SLC makes the off-season top five list.

http://www.smartertravel.com/photo-g...7%3A%3A7597281%3A%3A14907467%3A%3A }



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Reply 73, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 21141 times:
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Sorry Gent. KTTN-TLPL is 2012 miles even further than TTN-DEN which isn't possible due to the runway.


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User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 21049 times:

F9 launches FAT-DEN today. The first flight has been sold out for about a week now. Not one dollar spent on advertising that I've seen.

Welcome back. Hope they stay around this time.


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Reply 75, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 21007 times:
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Supposedly the first few flights from CVG to DEN which also starts today are sold out as well. Hopefully they will be able to continue their success.


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User currently offlineFrontier14 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20980 times:

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 74):
F9 launches FAT-DEN today. The first flight has been sold out for about a week now. Not one dollar spent on advertising that I've seen.

Yes, a number of us hope they are successful with FAT and CVG as with the other new offerings that are recent and upcoming. Frontier continues to have a loyal fan base here in DEN even though the model is changing. As others have said, they are making money or at least breaking even in DEN. Lets hope that continues and the SW attack continues to dwindle . DEN has strong O/D numbers and with the economy generally improving, perhaps that will help all carriers here.


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 77, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 21081 times:

Quoting Frontier14 (Reply 76):
DEN has strong O/D numbers and with the economy generally improving, perhaps that will help all carriers here.

The forecast for DEN is 62M pax by 2020...... and that is at a pace of about 1%-2% annual growth.

So with 62M some pax...... one would think that there needs to be quite a number of birds there to move all of these folks.

 


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 78, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 20898 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 73):
Sorry Gent. KTTN-TLPL is 2012 miles even further than TTN-DEN which isn't possible due to the runway.

Maybe some day   



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User currently offlineFrontier14 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20838 times:

Next winter it appears that Frontier will be adding new Apple flying from PHF (Newport News/Williamsburg) to Cancun beginning in February 2014.

User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 80, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 20778 times:

Quoting Frontier14 (Reply 79):
Next winter it appears that Frontier will be adding new Apple flying from PHF (Newport News/Williamsburg) to Cancun beginning in February 2014.

I don't remember a Customs & Border Protection (CBP) station at the PHF. It has been a few years since my last trek through the airport.



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User currently offlineuncgso From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 20541 times:

hey guys ... from what i hear the DEN-GSO service is very popular ... any chance this will go daily? or at least be extended past mid-September? fwiw i was on F9 flt# 337 (GSO-DEN-PHX and return) two weeks ago and it was 100% full outboud from GSO (with peeps on standby, which is weird since they had to wait till Sunday) ... and also will MCO-GSO return? on a side note ... is it coincidence that DEN-GSO flight # is 336? (phone area code here) or did they do that on purpose?

regards


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Reply 82, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 20462 times:

Quoting uncgso (Reply 81):
is it coincidence that DEN-GSO flight # is 336? (phone area code here) or did they do that on purpose?

In part I suspect the GSO flights came about because someone on the BoD or on the senior leadership team may have been from or has ties to the GSO region; possibly someone who works in the route planning. F9 senior leadership bios are available in the F9 URL.



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Reply 83, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20165 times:
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Can anyone tell me why duplicate flights come up in flight aware for F9 under the call sign "Shasta" and the prefix SSX

Example
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SSX930

There is also a FFT930 on Flight Aware



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 84, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20112 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 83):
Can anyone tell me why duplicate flights come up in flight aware for F9

I'm not sure about the Shasta SSX part but..............

Early last September me and dad were on a WN flight PVD-BWI connecting to another flight for BNA. What was suppose to be our aircraft was delayed in Florida for two or more hours which would have certainly caused us to miss our connecting flight in BWI. What was suppose to be our airframe had taken off from RSW fifteen or so minutes prior to what was suppose to be its scheduled arrival into PVD.

Because the PVD-BWI flight was 80% connecting pax at WN largest focus city BWI. WN renumbered a second flight already in range to PVD with our flight number. What was suppose to be our metal was renumbered to a P2P which was destined for PVD-OMA or PVD-IND as I recall.

For two hours there were two identical WN flight numbers flying up the eastern seaboard at the same time and seen on flight aware. I can only assume the delay was mechanical in RSW which would have caused WN to pay the tab for a lot of hotel rooms in BWI for the missed connections. Our BWI-BNA flight was the last flight of the day. It was a very smart move and potentially saved WN a significant amount of money. As much as we were concerned about not making our connecting flight in BWI. I for one was exposed to the inner workings of the route planning folks. We ended arriving in BWI a half hour before our BNA flight took off. Our luggage even made the connection.



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User currently offlinewhereitswarm From United States of America, joined May 2013, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20108 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 83):
...under the call sign "Shasta"...

If it helps, 'Shasta' was the call sign of Lynx airlines - the Q400 experiment of Frontier - which was also the name of the baby lynx (Larry's son?) on one of the first tails. But lynx is gone now, and even when they were still flying at the end, they were using the call sign 'Brickyard' as they were absobed by Mother Republic. No clue why it would show up now though.


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Reply 86, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20106 times:
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Interesting story but I'm talking about a constant occurance with multiple flights out of TTN


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Reply 87, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20090 times:
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Quoting whereitswarm (Reply 85):

Thanks I was just going to post that. I figured that out after a long time searching with google. Must be a flight aware glitch

BTW Lynx ICAO code was SSX



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User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 872 posts, RR: 1
Reply 88, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 19910 times:
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According to SeatGuru.com F9's SBN service is booked pretty solid this weekend. Probably some added Indy500 guests in and others out. SBN-DEN tomorrow booked to 134. Almost all flights for this and next weekend are booked over 100. I hope this keeps up all summer long so we can keep this connecting option for SBN.

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Reply 89, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 19612 times:
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Can confirm that Frontier is taking at least one new A320 on lease. Line number 5661 will be delivered to Frontier leased from ACG Acquisitions.

I believe Mariner had mentioned the possibility of a new delivery coming down the line. Not sure if this is the only one or more are coming.


User currently offlineFrontier14 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 19515 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 89):


I believe Mariner had mentioned the possibility of a new delivery coming down the line. Not sure if this is the only one or more are coming.

I too believe Mariner did make reference to two 320's coming, one in the summer and one later in the year.


User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1311 posts, RR: 12
Reply 91, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 19132 times:

The F9 schedule has been extended to Jan 05, 2014

Highlights:

DEN-MDT stays at 4 x weekly (Route appears to go year round)
DEN-GSO goes to 2 x weekly from OCT-JAN (originally seasonal, appears to go year round)
DEN-TYS goes to 2 x weekly from OCT-JAN (originally seasonal, appears to go year round)
DEN-EUG goes to 2 x weekly from OCT-JAN (originally seasonal, appears to go year round)
TTN sees a totol of 3 x weekly reductions (I'd imagine seasonal service to PBI or another winter destination at 3 x weekly could replace those 3 flights)
MCO-OMA resumes at 2 x weekly
MCO-GSO/MSN/MKE do not appear to resume
DEN-RFD does not resume after SEPT; still says operates seasonally so maybe picks up in later JAN once Apple flying picks up


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Reply 92, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19091 times:

I wonder how the CVG Service is going. I see that there is no schedule change. Are they planning on just doing one flight a day to DEN?

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Reply 93, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19100 times:
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Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 91):
TTN sees a totol of 3 x weekly reductions (I'd imagine seasonal service to PBI or another winter destination at 3 x weekly could replace those 3 flights)

To be exact
TTN-MCO SA)">5X Sun/Tue/Wed/Fri/Sat (Up From 4x)
TTN-MDW 4X Sun/Mon/Wed/Thurs (Down From 6X)
TTN-TPA 3X Tue/Fri/Sat SAME
TTN-FLL 3X Mon/Wed/Sat SAME
TTN-RSW 3X Tue/Thur/Sat Up from 2X
TTN-ATL 4X Sun/Mon/Thur/Fri SAME
TTN-DTW 3X Mon/Wed/Fri (Down from 4X)
TTN CMH 2X Sun/Thur (Down From 3X)
TTN-MSY SEASONAL
TTN-RDU SA)">5X Sun/Mon/Wed/Thur/Fri (From 6x)



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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (1 year 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 19002 times:

Frontier seems to go light on FLL. Just 3x weekly from TTN. No MDT-FLL and no ILG-FLL either. This seems contrary to JetBlue, Southwest and Spirit that fly alot to FLL from its NE stations during the end of Fall to Spring.

With the Philly bracketing, would it consider some MDW and ATL nonstop for
ACY when NK doesn't offer service?

Following the Philly bracketing, would Frontier consider NY bracketing now, with ISP and HVN maybe to MDW, ATL and maybe MCO with something like 3-4x weekly per market.


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Reply 95, posted (1 year 4 months 21 hours ago) and read 18984 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 91):
MCO-GSO/MSN/MKE do not appear to resume

Just looked at Milwaukee's non-stop list. The only city Frontier is listed next to is Denver.

http://www.mitchellairport.com/airli...information/cities-served-nonstop/


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Reply 96, posted (1 year 4 months 10 hours ago) and read 18843 times:
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Quoting Smoot4208

"The F9 schedule has been extended to Jan 05, 2014"

DEN-SBN-DEN is still in there past the one year SCASD date. That's great with loads picking up and F9 taking away 30% of another carriers traffic looks like F9 is in SBN to stay. I guess the other carrier underestimated the need for reliable westbound connections.


User currently offlineFrontier14 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (1 year 4 months 8 hours ago) and read 18775 times:

Nice to see that DEN - EUG has generated enough flow to make a try of it at least through January. We have res for EUG in me Sep so will get an idea of what it might look like in the shoulder season.

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Reply 98, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 18309 times:

Looks like Apple Vacations has loaded their schedules (at least some of them) through part of next year. DEN-ZIH is listed so I guess F9 will be back there.

Also per the DOT Docket, F9 has applied for RFD-PVR so I assume they intend to operate that in conjunction with Apple this winter.


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Reply 99, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 17846 times:
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Quoting n7371f (Reply 89):
I believe Mariner had mentioned the possibility of a new delivery coming down the line. Not sure if this is the only one or more are coming.

Here you go - aircraft porn - for old time's sake. N220FR making it's first go-round - sharkets but no paint, except the engine cowlings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl9rTP-YbwA

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Reply 100, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 17701 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 99):
Here you go - aircraft porn - for old time's sake. N220FR making it's first go-round - sharkets but no paint, except the engine cowlings.

Being the only F9 animal with sharkets it will be easy to spot, along with the "Flyfrontier.com" plane. Always nice to see the smaller carriers add planes.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 101, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 17538 times:

Quoting sunking737 (Reply 100):
Being the only F9 animal with sharkets it will be easy to spot, along with the "Flyfrontier.com" plane.

Might we see a species of shark as the tail critter. Seems appropriate. I don't think the Great White; perhaps the whale shark; a plankton eater and quite docile for its size.



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User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 872 posts, RR: 1
Reply 102, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 17520 times:
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Looks like F9 is doing good lately out of SBN. Just checked for their load tomorrow. SBN-DEN has 1 empty seat. coming back on this Thursday's flight has 20 empty seats. With the other guys canceling their early morning flight SBN-ORD tomorrow looks like F9 again has more reliable westbound connecting service from SBN.

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Reply 103, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17498 times:
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Quoting mariner (Reply 99):
Here you go - aircraft porn

Thats enough to bring my seatback to a "Full upright and locked position" boing. If it lasts for more than 4 hours I will be sure to call my doctor   Too bad its not an A319 with sharklets, then we could start some TTN-DEN speculation.

[Edited 2013-06-23 20:53:44]


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User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 17455 times:

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 102):
Looks like F9 is doing good lately out of SBN. Just checked for their load tomorrow. SBN-DEN has 1 empty seat. coming back on this Thursday's flight has 20 empty seats. With the other guys canceling their early morning flight SBN-ORD tomorrow looks like F9 again has more reliable westbound connecting service from SBN.

How reliable are F9 seat maps?

FAT-DEN is sold out tomorrow and Wednesday and just before they sold out, there were 10 to 12 seats showing (all up front). AA's seat maps are not accurate nor are AS. Any guess as to how accurate F9 is?


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Reply 105, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 17447 times:
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I do not know how accurate F9's seat maps are but I've compared SeatGuru with F9 putting in a typical reservation and F9 will generally show the exit row seating. I was just checking the loads out of my hometown airport since F9 started service there and have flow them home once last January when the loads were not this good, mind you they only started service last October. The advertising along the Indiana Toll Road etc. seems to be working as F9's loads have been getting better and really just taking off lately. In March they grabbed 30% of the other guys traffic and looks like this month they may do it again. But actually I think F9 is starting to stimulate traffic for all the network airlines at SBN because United Express's loads to ORD are starting to recover and Delta Connection's ATL, DTW, and MSP while not down as much as United's are also recovering. I think also that by offering F9 LCC service to Denver the airport is stemming the leakage of passengers to MDW.

User currently offlineFrontier14 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 106, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17319 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 99):
Here you go - aircraft porn - for old time's sake. N220FR making it's first go-round - sharkets but no paint, except the engine cowlings.

Any thoughts if this delivery will have the 174 seat configuration that has been mentioned in the past?


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Reply 107, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17150 times:
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Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 104):
How reliable are F9 seat maps?

FAT-DEN is sold out tomorrow and Wednesday and just before they sold out, there were 10 to 12 seats showing (all up front). AA's seat maps are not accurate nor are AS. Any guess as to how accurate F9 is?

Not very reliable. Because of the fare tiers and the punishment for booking with a third party, many passengers cannot reserve seats until check-in.

My last two F9 flights showed only 60% of seats reserved until 24 hour departure - and both flights went out totally full.


User currently offlinekmot From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 16882 times:

Earlier this week David Siegel wrote on the continued search for a buyer. Here is a snippit of what was written:

"...on the status of a possible transaction, we are all stressed, anxious and quite frankly exasperated at this point with the process of finding a buyer to effect a change-in-control transaction... The process does continue to advance and while, yes, there are no guarantees in life, we continue to be optimistic of a good outcome."

Am I reading to deep into this or is he setting the scene for possible liquidation?


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Reply 109, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week ago) and read 16841 times:
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You are reading too deep into this. F9 isn't going anywhere IMHO.

http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...s-two-deals-is-it-missing-the.aspx


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Reply 110, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 16696 times:
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ILG ticket sales look good especially DEN. Wonder if that renews their interest in finding a way to do TTN-DEN?

http://www.wdde.org/46230-frontier-airline-wilmington-service-starts



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User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 872 posts, RR: 1
Reply 111, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 16661 times:
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They are going to do TTN-MDW-DEN same plane svc.

User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 16646 times:

"...on the status of a possible transaction, we are all stressed, anxious and quite frankly exasperated at this point with the process of finding a buyer to effect a change-in-control transaction... The process does continue to advance and while, yes, there are no guarantees in life, we continue to be optimistic of a good outcome."

No one has any idea what will happen to frontier except a sale will have to be a bargain price for someone to buy it. The problem is frontier has so little to offer, not much assets, and not a single gold mine route. Who would want a Denver hub against southwest and united?


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Reply 113, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 16611 times:
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Quoting freakyrat (Reply 111):
They are going to do TTN-MDW-DEN same plane svc.

They've been doing that ever since they started TTN-MDW back in April. There had been some talk that they were looking into a plane with higher thrust for their short runway ops ie MDW and TTN.



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User currently offlinesmoot4208 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1311 posts, RR: 12
Reply 114, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 16536 times:

F9 today announced ILG-RSW 2 x weekly starting in November. I wonder if they're looking at TTN-PBI as well? Could certainly be why they chose ILG-RSW over ILG-FLL if they don't want to dump too much capacity into Southeast Florida.

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 110):
http://www.wdde.org/46230-frontier-airline-wilmington-service-starts

"Once Frontier started service out of Trenton-Mercer Airport last November, Frontier Senior Vice President Daniel Shurz says they began to look to expand to other airports in the Northeast."

I wonder outside of ILG where they might have their sights on? Outside of the PHL metro, airfares in the remaining large Northeast cities are already relatively low so I don't know if that would work basing an aircraft at an airport nearby BOS or not.

Also F9 has updated their route map. While not yet shown, they will be flying RFD-PVR for Apple this winter (I believe it will be scheduled so F9 will sell seats on it as well). Conversely, RFD-MBJ, & ORD/STL-LIR have been removed.


User currently offlineF9animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5065 posts, RR: 28
Reply 115, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 16536 times:

Alarm bells should be ringing with Seigels comment. I certainly don't see it as something relieving, but adds more concern to anyone with a vested interest in Frontier. Seigel has a very poor track record of leading a company, but always gets a sweet payout in the end. And the next fact is, he can pull the plug, and still have a job with RAH.


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 116, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 16308 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 114):
I wonder outside of ILG where they might have their sights on? Outside of the PHL metro
Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 114):
I don't know if that would work basing an aircraft at an airport nearby BOS or not.

I do think ILG-ORH or ILG-BOS makes sense. It connects the credit card banking center in Delaware with the Boston financial district. With that said years ago F9 was reported to be in a pis*ing contest with Mass-port who manages Logan and ORH


As a WAG goes and maybe a inkling of strategy; Wilmington/New Castle ILG-PVD. I think ILG or TTN to PWM for northern New England and ILG or TTN to PVD in southern New England. PVD and PWM at least geographically fit neatly. The two airports are separated by roughly 2.5 road hours.

When I checked last FL flies most if not all of the PWM flights. WN to my understanding has been reducing capacity between PVD and PIT and or PHL.



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 16314 times:

"Alarm bells should be ringing with Seigels comment."

Yeah. Clearly republic wants this nightmare over and everyone over there is getting frustrated.

Republic just showed it's cards and signaled their willingness to fire sale. Clearly they have no one realistic cause they just lowered anyone's price immediately with that comment, and showed how much pressure they are under to get this nightmare over for republic. The comment says a lot

[Edited 2013-06-27 19:31:04]

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Reply 118, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 16274 times:
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Quoting F9animal (Reply 115):
Alarm bells should be ringing with Seigels comment. I certainly don't see it as something relieving, but adds more concern to anyone with a vested interest in Frontier. Seigel has a very poor track record of leading a company, but always gets a sweet payout in the end. And the next fact is, he can pull the plug, and still have a job with RAH.

Mostly agree. If something good was imminent, Seigel never would've have written that.

That said, the guy has a history of over-belished comments...notably the "they're coming to kill us" comment pertaining to WN announcing BWI.

By all accounts he knows the business well and has worked alongside many of the heads of current airlines (Anderson, Parker) but his leadership skills, or lack thereof, killed him at US. Doesn't seem to be much there at F9 but in his defense it's still Bedford's company and we saw how he couldn't have Sean Menke running F9.


User currently offlineF9animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5065 posts, RR: 28
Reply 119, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 16231 times:

Have you seen the disaster Seigel created at Gate Gourmet? He did a real number there, and aimed directly at the employees. He has a very tarnished record, and any exec at any airline knows this. His name alone is reason enough to scare potential buyers.


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 120, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 16095 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 117):
Republic just showed it's cards and signaled their willingness to fire sale

I didn't read it like that. I understood the article to be a more cautious approach. F9 seems to maintaining its own and doesn't appear to be hemorrhaging cash. I see it more as steering a slow and steady course. Haste makes waste.



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 16015 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 120):
I didn't read it like that. I understood the article to be a more cautious approach
Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 120):
I see it more as steering a slow and steady course. Haste makes waste.

I don't think the words he used such as "stressed", "anxious", "exasperated", and "no gurantees" say that at all. There is nothing steady about the course they are on to sell the airline and change control it sounds like they have Nothing, zip, zero right now potential buyers it sounds like and are stressed. They wouldn't shoot themselves in the foot with this statement if they had anyone even looking cause that statement lowered the price anyone would pay alot and really makes them seem less attractive.


User currently offlineCarsAir04 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 122, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15977 times:

Just my opinion, but I think Republic wants to remain in control now that F9 is starting to show some life and maybe some parties that were interested, are not interested much any more. Just based on a conversation with a friend the other day.

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ILG service starts on Monday

2 things
1. Baggage claim is TINY
http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0095009/photos/94726836@N02/9161946974/
2. Why were the TSA there today at the checkpoint with no commerical service till MOnday



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User currently onlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1936 posts, RR: 21
Reply 124, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15846 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 123):
1. Baggage claim is TINY

Looks like it will probably be adequate for F9's initial operation there, will there ever be more than one flight unloading at a time?

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 123):
2. Why were the TSA there today at the checkpoint with no commerical service till MOnday

Training perhaps?


User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6572 posts, RR: 51
Reply 125, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15836 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 124):
Looks like it will probably be adequate for F9's initial operation there, will there ever be more than one flight unloading at a time?

Adequate for a CRJ. Looks ridiculously small for an A320. Just hope there's not a lot of checked baggage.


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Reply 126, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15810 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 125):
Adequate for a CRJ. Looks ridiculously small for an A320. Just hope there's not a lot of checked baggage.

Planes coming from Denver in the Winter are all packed with luggage. Skiiers check a boot bag and ski bag plus usually another bag as well. Ski stuff is all so bulky they fill the ski airports so much in the winter. Gonna be rough come winter time!


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Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 125):
Adequate for a CRJ. Looks ridiculously small for an A320. Just hope there's not a lot of checked baggage.

Thank god it wasn't WN starting service.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 128, posted (1 year 3 months 5 days ago) and read 15864 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 123):
2. Why were the TSA there today at the checkpoint with no commercial service till MOnday

Most of the Homeland Security Agencies use the term area-fam or area familiarization. If they carry paper travel orders it probably reads area-fam which is a blanket statement and allows them travel to various places on the fly.

As stated above there was probably some localized training too.



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Reply 129, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 15645 times:
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Quoting CarsAir04 Reply 122 "Just my opinion, but I think Republic wants to remain in control now that F9 is starting to show some life and maybe some parties that were interested, are not interested much any more. Just based on a conversation with a friend the other day."

They are showing life. Frontier started service with the help of an SCASD grant in my hometown of South Bend, Indiana last Oct 14th. They did well for awhile and then loads sorta fell off in some of the winter months where the loads varied day by day. Now since Spring Break, putting in sample flights on Seat Guru and F9's website, loads have really picked up. Most flights are showing going out with only a few empty seats and the same for inbound flights from Denver. In March F9 was siphoning off 30% of another carriers traffic, In April it was 15%. It would be interesting to see the May and June figures. Advertising along the Indian Toll Road that the Airport is doing has helped a lot IMHO. Also with the impending pullout out of GRR I would be willing to bet that F9 is pulling traffic in SBN from the AZO area and maybe from the south suburbs of GRR. I think how they could help the winter loads this upcoming winter is to heavily advertise F9 for skiing trips to the Colorado mountains. Maybe the airport officials could visit local ski clubs in Northern Indiana and Southern Lower Michigan and push the service.

Republic moving to a more mainline type product relying heavily on E-Jets for fee-for-service flying is also helping their bottom line.


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Reply 130, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 15570 times:

My sources tell me that DEN-MBJ will be announced shortly for this coming winter season. The route makes sense in my opinion, and should do well for them.

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Reply 131, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15338 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 130):
My sources tell me that DEN-MBJ will be announced shortly for this coming winter season. The route makes sense in my opinion, and should do well for them.

DEN-MBJ is showing up on the F9 interactive route map.

And yes.... I personally believe that this will be a good route for them as MBJ is in the top 20 international destinations from DEN. This route can be done 3-4X weekly and not even have to depend on connects.

 


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Reply 132, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 15252 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 131):
DEN-MBJ is showing up on the F9 interactive route map.

And yes.... I personally believe that this will be a good route for them as MBJ is in the top 20 international destinations from DEN. This route can be done 3-4X weekly and not even have to depend on connects.

Service is now bookable. Flights operate on Sundays starting on 22Dec. Flights will be operated with an A319.


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 133, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15250 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 132):
Service is now bookable. Flights operate on Sundays starting on 22Dec. Flights will be operated with an A319.

And so far the only dates available from DEN-MBJ are 12/22/13, 12/29/13 and 1/5/14 that I can see. So it's 1X weekly, and so far only 3 flights? Hopefully, more flights will show up as I'm pretty sure that these flights will sell out.

 


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Reply 134, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15244 times:

Quoting point2point (Reply 133):
And so far the only dates available from DEN-MBJ are 12/22/13, 12/29/13 and 1/5/14 that I can see. So it's 1X weekly, and so far only 3 flights? Hopefully, more flights will show up as I'm pretty sure that these flights will sell out.

The schedule only goes out until 05Jan though, so there would only be 3 flights. I'm guessing this flight will be in conjunction with Apple (Like DEN is to the rest of the Mexico/Carib/Central destinations).


User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 135, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15249 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 134):
The schedule only goes out until 05Jan though, so there would only be 3 flights. I'm guessing this flight will be in conjunction with Apple (Like DEN is to the rest of the Mexico/Carib/Central destinations).

Okay, thanks for that. And yes.... more than likely it will be in conjunction with Apple. Surprising to see it only once-weekly though.... although I guess rather to be safe than sorry with too many seats..... I think that eventually that this will increase in capacity, at least seasonally with time.

And it's also good that DEN gets a new ex-boarder nonstop destination, although this wouldn't qualify for any $$$$ that the airport gives out for starting new international routes.

All the best to F9 here..... I do think that this route will show lots of potential.

 


User currently offlinecrj900lr From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15111 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 123):
Baggage claim is TINY

The whole terminal is tiny. The ticket counter is small and cramped and the check-in lines, they way they have them sectioned out, are not very spacious. I'm sure it will work but its just going be a little tight.

The aircraft for tomorrow's first flight is already in ILG, ferry in from IND.


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 137, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14832 times:

Potential news from UA/CO http://thecostaricanews.com/united-a...elling-routes-to-costa-rica/15841. It could be nothing more than a cancellation of the tour(s) such as Apple or another provider.

My initial thought was a realignment of UA vs CO metal citing the prior merger. This could be good news for F9 on the stand-alone and the Apple front

In the competition department UA is a significant operator at DEN.



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User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2002 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14346 times:
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Anybody hear anything about how customers are reacting to the charging for soda, coffee, etc?


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User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 872 posts, RR: 1
Reply 139, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14071 times:
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Charging for sodas doesn't bother me because I like the IZZE drinks and only F9 has them.

User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 140, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13869 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 138):
Anybody hear anything about how customers are reacting to the charging for soda, coffee, etc?

Free drinks are on the fast track to become a generational mindset and expectation of days gone by. Although WN still offers complementary drinks and they will give you the entire can if you ask.

U.S. domestic air carriers are not the darlings they were five and ten years ago. It helps to think of them as get me there quick transportation platforms; nothing else.

I can think of a less than handful locations on the ground who still offer free coffee. Even the local VA medical clinic kabashed the complementary coffee they made available to veterans awaiting medical appointments citing the federal budget sequestration. I also remember when state-line Interstate welcome centers offered free coffee at least on select holidays. No more.

On a separate note I reserved a rental car in ANC on the WN URL. WN does not fly to Alaska; but offered the best price beating AS by $12 a day on the same size vehicle. Brand recognition I suppose.



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User currently onlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1936 posts, RR: 21
Reply 141, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13823 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 140):
Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 138):
Anybody hear anything about how customers are reacting to the charging for soda, coffee, etc?

Free drinks are on the fast track to become a generational mindset and expectation of days gone by. Although WN still offers complementary drinks and they will give you the entire can if you ask.

Uh, add DL, AA, UA, AS, B6, US and VX to that list that still offers free non-alcoholic drinks, not sure how you conclude that free soda and coffee are fading away when the vast majority of carriers in the US still offer free drink service.


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 142, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 13718 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 141):
Uh, add DL, AA, UA, AS, B6, US and VX

That's great and I hope each carrier continues it. Do I think complementary drinks will be here in five years; not if the current "pay to use" climate continues. I read something not to long ago some carriers are considering pay to use lavs passing it on to the flying public not as a user fee but a black-water disposal fee.

Do I think other carriers will follow F9 lead. I think other carriers are in a wait and see mode to see how the flying public reacts. It wasn't too long ago when the carriers gave their pax a full can of soda or another complementary beverage of their choosing. Coffee and hot water for tea being the exception; today it's eight ounce plastic cup usually filled with more ice cubes than beverage.



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User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2002 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13610 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 142):
I read something not to long ago some carriers are considering pay to use lavs passing it on to the flying public not as a user fee but a black-water disposal fee.

Never happen, even Ryan Air doesn't really think it would work, they talk about it from time to time but thats all for publicity purposes.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23076 posts, RR: 20
Reply 144, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13588 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 142):
It wasn't too long ago when the carriers gave their pax a full can of soda or another complementary beverage of their choosing.

Putting aside US' experiment with charging for drinks in 2009 or 2010, I don't think I've ever been refused a second drink or a full can when I've asked on any US carrier.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 145, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 13417 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 144):
I don't think I've ever been refused a second drink or a full can when I've asked on any US carrier.


Nor have I. But on a domestic flight I can only think of once where I might have asked for a second of anything excluding coffee and that would be more than 200 flights across my lifetime. If I was provided the entire can of soda, juice etc to begin with. The little eight ounce cups filled with ice cubes is nothing more than a teaser; two or three sips and its gone.

I have to hoist the B,S, flag on the ideology carriers have used to justify the individual cups citing it expedites the beverage service. Be it behind a bulkhead how does pouring all those cups of a beverage expedite the service when you can simply handle the pax a whole can of soda or juice or bottled water. In my mind its all about the cost cutting and to a certain extent curtailing waste but ultimately the bottom dollar.

AA has gone so far as saying they see a fuel savings by not having to carry all of the beverage weight across their system across a year.



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User currently offlineFrontier14 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13387 times:

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 134):
Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 130):
My sources tell me that DEN-MBJ will be announced shortly for this coming winter season. The route makes sense in my opinion, and should do well for them.

Looks like Apple has made it official as one of their new 2014 routes. This route should do well for Frontier with the Apple connection.


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Reply 147, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 13289 times:
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May traffic figures are in for SBN. Frontier had a stellar month for their SBN-DEN service. Operating 17 flights each way Frontier carried 2,032 passengers out of SBN to DEN for an average of 120 per flight with a load factor of 86% and carried 2,239 passengers into SBN from DEN for an average of 132 per flight or an average load factor of 95%. Preliminary results on the route for June look good to. I'm think Michiana folks like the ability to make connections in Denver vs O'Hare.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23076 posts, RR: 20
Reply 148, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13102 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 145):
But on a domestic flight I can only think of once where I might have asked for a second of anything excluding coffee and that would be more than 200 flights across my lifetime. If I was provided the entire can of soda, juice etc to begin with. The little eight ounce cups filled with ice cubes is nothing more than a teaser; two or three sips and its gone.

Isn't that the point? If you want the whole can, you can have it, but most people don't want the whole can.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 149, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13074 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 148):
Isn't that the point?

No not really. Until a few years ago a full can of soda, juice, bottled water was the norm during the initial beverage service. Not any more domestically. On a recent ATL-BOS flight when I asked for a second unscheduled cup the soda the FA who must have been stressed gave us the the "who are you" sneer. Keeping in mind many of my flights across the last 10-15 years have been four hours in duration or more between SEA-BNA and SEA-DCA or BWI.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 148):
most people don't want the whole can.

I'm not convinced of that, the second beverage service is and has been popular on any flight I've been on. Comparing the two I've seen more children spill the open 8 ounce cup where mom or dad can usually catch a spilled can before the contents exits the can or only a small amount spills. Now you have sticky soda spill to deal with. But that's a whole other story. Amen to moms and dads who don't let the youngens drink sticky soda. Generally it is understood to be a cost cutting measure. The plastic cups are also trash were the soda cans are collected as recyclables which takes more time to collect about the cabin.



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User currently offlineCarsAir04 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 150, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12781 times:

Looks like SBN is ending:
http://www.9news.com/news/local/arti...cancels-a-nonstop-flight-to-Denver


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Reply 151, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12684 times:
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Quoting freakyrat (Reply 147):
May traffic figures are in for SBN. Frontier had a stellar month for their SBN-DEN service. Operating 17 flights each way Frontier carried 2,032 passengers out of SBN to DEN for an average of 120 per flight with a load factor of 86% and carried 2,239 passengers into SBN from DEN for an average of 132 per flight or an average load factor of 95%. Preliminary results on the route for June look good to. I'm think Michiana folks like the ability to make connections in Denver vs O'Hare.



With the news of F9 pulling out, a good reminder that a wonderful load factor is nothing unless there are good yields. Clearly that was not the case with SBN. Time for Shurz to throw a dart at the map, again.


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Reply 152, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12646 times:
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Actually a little background on SBN's efforts to secure service to Denver on F9. The original SCASD application called for daily service with an E190 jet and we all know what happened to those. Now in order to serve SBN with a comparable aircraft they would have to use an A318 and we know where those went to. That left only the A319 for the service. So SBN passengers had to use it or loose it. The trouble is they didn't use it in the winter but did this spring and summer starting in March. The load factors were there but the yields were not. That's not to say that seasonal service on Frontier SBN-DEN isn't viable cause it probably is.

Now here is the real dilemma. United saw that F9 was taking away 30% of their connecting passengers. They now have a viable aircraft to operate the route and profitably in Shuttle America E175 jets. Since both companies are owned by the same parent company United's mainline pilot scope clause prohibits this. Who's to say on Sept 9th that United Express steps right in. They can clearly see that 85-90 people a day want to connect in denver and they can connect people to more cities that F9 can. Will they do it, Who knows.


User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12586 times:

In a competitive environment, every successful business needs a plan and something they can do better than the competition, a competitive advantage. I still do not understand Frontiers plan, nor do i think they do either.

If an airport like south bend or COS cannot work why would TTN? I think proposing a ton of cities like TTN has already been done a ton of times at Frontier throughout the country.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23076 posts, RR: 20
Reply 154, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12578 times:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 153):
If an airport like south bend or COS cannot work why would TTN? I think proposing a ton of cities like TTN has already been done a ton of times at Frontier throughout the country.

How are SBN and TTN at all analogous?



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 155, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12475 times:

Both small airports with low competition and high load factors.

User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2002 posts, RR: 0
Reply 156, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12459 times:
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Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 155):
Both small airports with low competition and high load factors.

SBN has ULCC Alliegant, Delta and United to contend with all in the same airport
TTN has no one except Frontier.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23076 posts, RR: 20
Reply 157, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12363 times:

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 156):
SBN has ULCC Alliegant, Delta and United to contend with all in the same airport

Moreover, SBN is a spoke for F9. TTN is a focus city, albeit a small one. F9 doesn't even fly TTN-DEN.



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6780 posts, RR: 32
Reply 158, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 12300 times:

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 152):
Who's to say on Sept 9th that United Express steps right in. They can clearly see that 85-90 people a day want to connect in denver and they can connect people to more cities that F9 can. Will they do it, Who knows.

They can see that people want to go places which would require a connection somewhere. It's probably more efficient for United to connect those folks at ORD since the vast majority are flying to places (like LAX, SFO, SEA, PDX, LAS, PHX, etc.) with UA non-stop service from ORD. Moreover, if F9 can't carry those passengers profitably, it likely is true that UA can't carry most of them profitably, either.


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3157 posts, RR: 1
Reply 159, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12264 times:

You almost have to wonder if the here today gone tomorrow creep has started to show its ugly head and is actually scaring a lot of passengers to pick other carriers. The flying public has no assurance F9 will be there when the flight day arrives. Some passengers purchase their tickets 30-60-90 days out.

Although F9 refunds ticket purchases in the markets it closes. They fail to grasp the ticket price the flyer pays will usually cost more on a short fuse.

I think F9 would fare better if they reinvented the wheel and stopped all sales and inaugural fares and replaced it with a three day advance fare. This offers the flying public assurance their flight will operate. A walk-up fare would price slightly higher than the three day fare. Can you imagine the people who would flock to F9.

The 7-14-21 day ticket pricing structure is archaic. WN is the closest carrier to some normalcy who offers a seven day advance purchase before the prices increases significantly.

On a separate note is anybody having a problem with the A.net spell checker not offering corrections for spelling errors. I see the red-line identifying the potential spelling error; when I hit the check spelling hyperlink it tells there are no incorrect spelling errors.



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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2002 posts, RR: 0
Reply 160, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12252 times:
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Well, very quietly and I'll say smartly F9 has increased its change fee to $75 for Economy Tickets $25 for Classic Tickets. As much as I don't like increasing change fees F9 was way under what most charge.


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User currently offlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 872 posts, RR: 1
Reply 161, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12112 times:
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Qouting Scott B:
"They can see that people want to go places which would require a connection somewhere. It's probably more efficient for United to connect those folks at ORD since the vast majority are flying to places (like LAX, SFO, SEA, PDX, LAS, PHX, etc.) with UA non-stop service from ORD. Moreover, if F9 can't carry those passengers profitably, it likely is true that UA can't carry most of them profitably, either."

Not so. Also they cannot provide reliable connections from ORD because every time there is a weather related delay they strand passengers at SBN because the parent company United elects to precancel lots of Express flying. This hurts their bottom line and makes passengers want to drive to ORD or