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Qantas And Their 747s. How Many Are Left?  
User currently offlinefab747 From France, joined Jun 2008, 22 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16200 times:
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I've just noticed that Qantas's fleet of 747-400 is slowly becoming smaller. Does anyone know how many are left in their fleet and which ones are due for retirement? Does anyone also have photos of the ones parked in storage and what has happened to some of them? I'm aware that in the next few days another of their 747 is about to leave the fleet.

Cheers,


fab747
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User currently offlineq747400 From Australia, joined Jul 2012, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16160 times:

There would seem to be 17 Frames left, you can check the rego's out from an unofficial sight www.theqantassource.com, this will help your answers.

User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8286 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days ago) and read 16092 times:
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Qantas has 6 747-400ER planes which are among the last 6 744 made, so they will be around until 2020. They were delivered at the turn of the century.

User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5621 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days ago) and read 16013 times:

Quoting fab747 (Thread starter):
Does anyone know how many are left in their fleet and which ones are due for retirement?

The plan was to retire all B744s EXCEPT for the 6 B744ERs and the last 3 B744s (RR engines) by next year. These nine will be around until about 2020 when the next order of A380s should be arriving.
The reality may well be different, who knows with QF.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineDan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days ago) and read 15962 times:

In summary, the most recent 744 to be retired was VH-OJD. Others that have already gone are OJB, OJF, OJG, OJH, OJK, OJN, OJO, OJP, OJQ and OJR. OJJ has been removed from service but currently remains in Sydney.

The remaining birds are OJA, OJC, OJE, OJI, OJL, OJM, OJS, OJT, OJU and the 6 ER's (OEE-OEJ).


User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5621 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days ago) and read 15901 times:

Quoting Dan23 (Reply 4):
The remaining birds are OJA, OJC, OJE, OJI, OJL, OJM, OJS, OJT, OJU and the 6 ER's (OEE-OEJ).

So VH-OJA, C, E, I, L & M are to go in the next year or so. VH-OJS, T & U and the 6 ERs are DUE to stay until after the next batch of A380s arrives around 2018.

Thanks Dan.

Gemuser



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User currently offlineDan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days ago) and read 15860 times:

Before we are corrected....the odd-ball 744 (ex Asiana) VH-OEB is also still in QF service and will probably be retired along with the others in the coming year or so.

User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15600 times:

For all any questions like this there are sites with dedicated information.

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Qantas.htm
http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/Qantas

I was rather surprised to see VH-OJA at SYD last week.


User currently offlineMikey86 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15493 times:

Why is QF retiring aircraft that are younger than others. For Eg: VH-OJA is the oldest bird of their fleet of 744's, yet it remains in service with for eg: VH-OJH has been retired.

Does it have something to do with the maintenance schedule of each aircraft, or the fact that they have the new interiors?



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5621 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15359 times:

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 8):

Does it have something to do with the maintenance schedule of each aircraft, or the fact that they have the new interiors?

Yes & Yes and other factors too. They decide which aircraft will cost the most to keep compared to its earning potential, the loser gets the chop. Cold, but good business decision making.

Gemuser



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User currently offlinecarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2946 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14675 times:

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 8):
VH-OJH has been retired

That is also the aircraft that was heavily damaged in a runway overrun at old BKK.


User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 733 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 14649 times:

In late January VH-OJB,OJF, OJN and OJP were stored intact at Victorville. VH-OJG and OJH are at Marana where they are being broken up. I think one or two more may have joined them since then, including OJD.

User currently offlineCCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 830 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14507 times:

What sort of hours / cycles do these A/C have, anyone got any details?


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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5490 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14420 times:

Apologizing in advance for my ignorance, with what will QF replace the 747s on the DFW service; 777, 787 or 380?


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User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 916 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14379 times:

Quoting CCA (Reply 12):
What sort of hours / cycles do these A/C have, anyone got any details?


The info you seek, and heaps more on each ac can be obtained from this all encompassing site:
www.aussieairliners.org

Quoting sccutler (Reply 13):
Apologizing in advance for my ignorance, with what will QF replace the 747s on the DFW service; 777, 787 or 380?

It wont be 777 (unless QF lease them, which I suspect wont happen), it wont be A380 as there are no more projected into the fleet before 2018, the first lot of 787's are expected to go to JQ, so for the conceivable future it will be the 744ER. However, having said all that, planning at QF at this point is very fluid.



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4627 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 14327 times:

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 8):
or the fact that they have the new interiors?

The new interiors are only fitted to the 9 aircraft that will remain in the fleet until the end of the decade. The reason for this is that they're relatively new - OJS and OJT were delivered in 1999, OJU in 2000. The 6 ERs were delivered in 2002 and 2003. I believe aircraft depreciation laws in Australia have something to do with keeping them also.

All the rest were delivered between 1989 and 1992, so they're on the way out.

[Edited 2013-03-26 07:05:08]


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4865 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 12735 times:

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 7):
I was rather surprised to see VH-OJA at SYD last week.
Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 8):
Why is QF retiring aircraft that are younger than others. For Eg: VH-OJA is the oldest bird of their fleet of 744's, yet it remains in service with for eg: VH-OJH has been retired.

We flew on VH-OJA QF108 JFK-LAX last night... She looked tired...

EK413



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User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9442 times:

Quoting Dan23 (Reply 4):
OJJ has been removed from service but currently remains in Sydney.

I am sitting at Sydney Airport at the moment waiting for a flight, and I can see VH-OJJ sitting on the tarmac with a plain red tail and no titles.

I suspect she won't be taking up real estate at SYD for much longer by the look of her.


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5196 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9280 times:

Quoting TN486 (Reply 14):
The info you seek, and heaps more on each ac can be obtained from this all encompassing site

Unfortunately I couldn't find anything...

Quoting CCA (Reply 12):
What sort of hours / cycles do these A/C have

Off the top of my head they are in the 90-100,000 hour range. The reason this is slightly lower than, say, LH is that Euro carriers used theirs more intensively. Whereas 1 frame could do, say, FRA-ORD-FRA easily within 24 hours with only a few hours down time, QF's aircraft often sat for 12+ hours at LHR/LAX etc

Quoting sccutler (Reply 13):
what will QF replace the 747s on the DFW service; 777, 787 or 380?

The 74Es will be around until the end of the decade



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User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 916 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8509 times:

Quoting CCA (Reply 12):
What sort of hours / cycles do these A/C have, anyone got any details
Quoting TN486 (Reply 14):
The info you seek, and heaps more on each ac can be obtained from this all encompassing site:
www.aussieairliners.org
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 18):
Unfortunately I couldn't find anything

My assumption was you were talking hours on retired ac. If that is correct, then the referenced site gives you those detail for each QF retired 747. e.g
OJB 94509, OJF 86641, OJG 100612, OJH 89881 , OJK 83760, OJN 94727, OJP ???, OJR 78442



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24880 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days ago) and read 8143 times:

Quoting q747400 (Reply 1):
Qantas has 6 747-400ER planes which are among the last 6 744 made,

And the only 744ERs built.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2949 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days ago) and read 8110 times:

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 8):
Why is QF retiring aircraft that are younger than others. For Eg: VH-OJA is the oldest bird of their fleet of 744's, yet it remains in service with for eg: VH-OJH has been retired.

OJA underwent heavy maintenance in mid-2011, so presumably has longer until she is due to have more money spent on her than other aircraft.

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 11):
including OJD.

She arrived at VCV on March 7th -- so sad to see her go (she was the first QF aircraft I ever flew on 17 years ago).

Quoting sccutler (Reply 13):
Apologizing in advance for my ignorance, with what will QF replace the 747s on the DFW service; 777, 787 or 380?

Nothing until 2016-17, when they could either go to the 789 (presumably with more than the current single daily flight) or use the new 562t A380s that are supposed to start arriving in 2016 as well.


User currently offlineBA174 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2009, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8023 times:

I personally still find it odd OEB is still in service, I would have thought it would have went with the other two ugly sisters at the very start of the 744 retirements.

I wonder if VH-OJA is in line for a life in preservation after retirement?


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5196 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8012 times:

Quoting BA174 (Reply 22):
I wonder if VH-OJA is in line for a life in preservation after retirement?

Probably not, unfortunately. They've already got a 742 up in Longreach and I doubt they'd ever try to land something that big there ever again

(perhaps they will have extended/widened the runway by the time that Nancy Bird is retired )



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2949 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7945 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 23):

I would love to see an Intrepid style museum on the harbour with OJA, a restored 707 and the Avro that's sitting (or used to be, it's been ages since I last saw it) in SYD T3.   


25 Post contains links Airvan00 : OEB appears to be the aircraft of choice for the "captains choice tours" www.captainschoice.com.au because of its low density configuration, so it is
26 CCA : I figured they would be quite low, CXs 744s are in the 115-120,000 hour mark and 16,000+ cycles. It's unlucky they weren't offered for BCF conversion
27 American 767 : The last 6 744s made for Qantas. But they were not the last 6 400s to come out of the production line, Boeing still delivered more pax 744s to other
28 Viscount724 : 8 passenger 744s (4 to CI, 2 to TG, 1 to VS, 1 to leasing company ILFC) and 79 freighters were delivered after the last QF 744ER.
29 gemuser : I thought some of these freighters were B744ERF? Gemuser
30 fab747 : Does anyone know when VH-OJJ will fly out for storage?
31 Viscount724 : That 79 number includes all 744 freighters, including ERFs, delivered after the last QF 744ER.
32 Post contains images A36001 : NOO OJD is retired? I really have to catch up on Qantas source!
33 Post contains images charliecossie : Boeing is a bit norty calling the freighter an ERF as most of the 744ER mods aren't carried out on the ERF. I like to think of the ERF as standing fo
34 Kent350787 : It's been parked for almost 3 weeks now, and still at YSSY today (Fri PM Sydney time)
35 EK413 : Was interesting on arrival into SYD to witness -OJJ sitting in the exact same spot when we departed SYD 2 weeks ago, on the 14th of March to be exact
36 Post contains links thegeek : For passenger service. They made I think 40 744ERFs. Correction: 2016-17 is when the next two A380s are supposed to arrive: http://blogs.crikey.com.a
37 qf002 : Happy to take the honours! BNE-DFW is too long (and hence expensive to operate) for JQ to profit on, and doesn't fit their O&D based model.
38 Post contains images RyanairGuru : Beyond anything else, we have to question how many people would be willing to spend 16 hours on JQ. Having flown DFW-BNE before I can quite happily s
39 SYDAIRPORTS : what's the oldest 747 is current QF fleet? Someone told me 1991.
40 TN486 : OJA Feb 89, OJC Jul 89 and OJE Sep 89. These are the dates they rolled off the production line, cheers.
41 vhebb : The current odd ball of the B744 fleet VH-OEB will have its current low density config changed into a 14/52/32/255 config in July. This will reduce th
42 thegeek : Is the need for first class to fly SYD-HKG?
43 EK413 : Why bother reconfiguring the one odd ball of the B744 fleet? Sounds as though VH-OEB will be utilised as a gap filler in the event of an A380 substit
44 vhebb : Hi, OJL, OJM, and OEB will be in the 14/52/32/255 config. The remaining B744s will all be in the two 3 class configs. I suspect SYD-HKG-SYD will becom
45 EK413 : After watching an interview with AJ, he indicated a 10% capacity increase on the HKG route... From my understanding the evening QF87 SYD-HKG service
46 thegeek : Looks like it already has been. Probably referring to re-configurations of the A380 which add about 10% capacity. Previous capacity appears: 3x 744 (
47 qf002 : I imagine he's talking about local capacity rather than overall capacity, which means it's just capacity that was previously occupied by European tra
48 fab747 : Well VH-OJJ now leaving the fleet 9th April! Another sad day for a beautiful Qantas 747-400! Hope to see photos of her on her departure on this site.
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