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Etihad-Jat Airways Strategic Partnership  
User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2650 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6873 times:
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Good afternoon!

Finally some good news from Serbia. Though there were rumours of this actually happening I am sure that only a few people believed it.

It was just announced that in April a strategic partnership between Serbia's Jat Airways and Abu Dhabi's Ethiad will be signed. This was announced by Serbia's Minister of finance and industry Mladjan Dinkic who is currently visiting the United Arab Emirates.

Among other things a daily flight between Abu Dhabi and Belgrade will be launched while at the same time cooperation with Air Berlin will be established so as to feed the airline's North American network. For the time being Chicago is announced as the only destination but three more are to follow.

Etihad added that they are willing to help Jat Airways by providing them with four aircraft which should enter into service before the summer season. Mind you, even before this deal was announced Jat Airways started its own fleet renewal plan. It will replace its Boeing fleet with 4 Airbuses (2 A319 and 2 A320) while two Atr 72-500s are supposed to join the fleet next month.

You can read more on this here:
http://www.aviokarta.net/vesti/1750-...io-da-bude-strateski-partner-jata/

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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 6529 times:

Quoting JU068 (Thread starter):
Among other things a daily flight between Abu Dhabi and Belgrade will be launched while at the same time cooperation with Air Berlin will be established so as to feed the airline's North American network. For the time being Chicago is announced as the only destination but three more are to follow.

Serbian state TV announcing that Air Berlin would open a total of four routes to the US, first being TXL-BEG-ORD.

http://www.rts.rs/page/stories/ci/st...%B7%D0%B0+%D0%88%D0%90%D0%A2+.html

Media also saying that EY could open a new daily AUH-BEG-JFK subject to CAT 1 awarding the FAA which is expected in the next few months.



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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2650 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6402 times:
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Quoting JoKeR (Reply 1):
Serbian state TV announcing that Air Berlin would open a total of four routes to the US, first being TXL-BEG-ORD.

Well, I guess they wanted to say that you can fly on Jat to Berlin and then connect onto Air Berlin's flight to Chicago. I doubt it would make sense to have the flight originate in Belgrade. Air Berlin could launch morning flights from Berlin to complement Jat's evening departures out of Belgrade.

I am just wondering if Niki might return to Belgrade now that it could work with Jat.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 1):
Media also saying that EY could open a new daily AUH-BEG-JFK subject to CAT 1 awarding the FAA which is expected in the next few months.

That would be really good, I suppose they would rely on Jat's regional network which will, hopefully, be improved. If this happens then I guess the route would be operated by an A330-200.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6224 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 1):
Media also saying that EY could open a new daily AUH-BEG-JFK subject to CAT 1 awarding the FAA which is expected in the next few months.

Why would they do that? It's not that anyone would fly AUH-JFK via BEG if one can fly a nonstop flight to JFK. Yes, I know QR is thinking about DOH-ATH-JFK, but ATH-JFK is probably a larger market and this flights hasn't been confirmed (yet). Thus a BEG-JFK flight by EY doesn't make sense.


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2650 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 6140 times:
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Quoting LJ (Reply 3):

It does if you take into consideration that Etihad will own 49% of Jat and that they will most likely coordinate the regional arrivals into Belgrade with their departure to New York.
Emirates will also launch flights to New York via Milan. Etihad is doing the same just with substantially more feed than Emirates will have- or for that matter Qatar from Athens (if this plan ever materializes).

I am sure that once Etihad takes control of Jat that they will increase its regional network as up until now it was impossible due to the government's incompetence and corruption.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 6056 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 4):
It does if you take into consideration that Etihad will own 49% of Jat and that they will most likely coordinate the regional arrivals into Belgrade with their departure to New York

Yet without feed at JFK it's usueless, moreover as the Europe - JFK market is already saturated. Moreover, who would fly via BEG to JFK? Almost anyone in Europe have a lot of better options than flying via BEG.

Quoting JU068 (Reply 4):
Emirates will also launch flights to New York via Milan.

AFAIK it still is a slot filing only and nothing confirmed. Anyway, MXP - JFK has much more O&D than BEG - JFK.


User currently offlinePutnik From Brazil, joined Aug 2007, 229 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 5976 times:

I don't want to rain on anybody's parade as we really need JU to be overhauled... but I would wait to see what happens in the end. The politician announcing the news has a fair share of empty promises behind him. That is part of their job description, I guess. We are quite far away from the new fleet for JAT, professional management, decent and reliable regional network, coordinated schedules with Air Berlin and Etihad...

Живи били па видели... и дочекали!      



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User currently offlineNYC2TLV From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 5829 times:

I too would err on the side of caution. While there may be something in the works, it could be related solely to recent UAE based agreements like that of Mubadala with Serbian based companies. As such, it may be that all we will see is some sort of cooperation which will only include feed to/from the networks of AB and EY but no scissor hub at BEG.

When EY acquired HM, they simply closed down everything and started fresh by having HM use AUH as their focus city. It could be that we will only see JU flights on BEG-AUH services as well as some into DUS and TXL, with JU operating smaller feeder service into secondary cities in the area (LJU, SPU, TGD, TIV etc.)

But with W6 now operating out of BEG, I really don't see the upside to EY's network in such a move. Yes, QR operates to BEG via ESB but I doubt that there is that much demand even with decent feeder service into the area, that couldn't be routed through the new EY code share agreements with AF, AZ and KL.


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2650 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 5720 times:
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Quoting LJ (Reply 5):
Moreover, who would fly via BEG to JFK? Almost anyone in Europe have a lot of better options than flying via BEG.

Well people from Sarajevo, Podgorica, Skopje, Ohrid, Thessaloniki... when I said feed I did not mean that someone from Munich or Rome will fly via Belgrade to New York but people from neighbouring countries. This market might not be high yielding but it is not pathetic either.

Quoting NYC2TLV (Reply 7):

Yes, but comparing JU and HM is like comparing apples to pears. They serve totally different markets not to mention that there are 300,000 people living on the Maldives while there are 7,000,000 Serbs and a very large diaspora (a few million). If this deal does become reality then I am sure that Etihad will be after the rather large Serbian diaspora in the Persian Gulf, South Africa and Australia.


User currently offlineEK773 From Malta, joined Jul 2004, 235 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5649 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 8):
there are 300,000 people living on the Maldives

... and The Seychelles has a population just over 86,000  although i'm sure its their inbound market which generates the traffic there.


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5622 times:

Quoting Putnik (Reply 6):
Живи били па видели... и дочекали!

Could not agree more!

Sensationalist, life-saving, highly publicized government endeavors to save JAD have been ongoing for donkey's years now. I am almost certain that this amazing deal is linked to the fact that people like you and me will have to fork out the massive EUR170 million to transfer the airline's debt from its books to the taxpayers first, before EY even signs a greeting card, not to mention an MOU...

Me thinks that for EUR170 million you could establish a brand new, streamlined and modern organization, mirroring the modern airlines of today - no unions, no government, no regular rubbish that tends to eat away the little profits that are made... but hey, who am I to even think that! This way, we just take this massive chunk upon us to be able to say that we have a national airline! Why? 1970s are gone! Airline is a business, not a prestige status!

A great deal indeed!



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 5575 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 8):

Well people from Sarajevo, Podgorica, Skopje, Ohrid, Thessaloniki... when I said feed I did not mean that someone from Munich or Rome will fly via Belgrade to New York but people from neighbouring countries. This market might not be high yielding but it is not pathetic either.

However, these are all very small markets and heavily depended on VFR (which means low yield). You can't sustain a daily BEG - JFK flight yearround on this market. Moreover, why route these pax via BEG when you can route them via CDG/AMS/TXL/DUB from where you can offer more connections than JFK alone (not everyone will probably need to go to JFK) BEG - AUH is another story, but isn't QR already flying DOH - BEG (with just an A320) and AFAIK TK is also big in this region?

Quoting Putnik (Reply 6):
I don't want to rain on anybody's parade as we really need JU to be overhauled... but I would wait to see what happens in the end.

Moreover as a) nothing has signed yet and b) it may be very well that EY is only interested in JUs assets (I see they have some very good LHR slots).


User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 5434 times:

Quoting JU068 (Thread starter):
Finally some good news from Serbia
Quoting Putnik (Reply 6):
We are quite far away from the new fleet for JAT, professional management, decent and reliable regional network, coordinated schedules with Air Berlin and Etihad...

I am very sorry, but I don't see any good news...

JAT is miles away to reach any standard - just an example is this fantastic TR:
JAT To BEG & The Aviation Museum In BUD (by Parton87 Feb 23 2012 in Trip Reports)

The crew was smoking during the flight, on take-off the crew was sitting in Business Class rather than on their jump seats... It will be quite a task for EY to change these bad habits and to introduce a standard service level. Good luck!


User currently offlineairdfw From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4849 times:

I thought for a second it was EY-9W often talked about but nowhere near final deal. So EY will now have both Jat and Jet as partners?  

User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2650 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4717 times:
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Quoting debonair (Reply 12):

I remember this trip report, it was full of mistakes and it mentioned things which were not true, especially the sticker with the non-smoking statement. I protested back then and I will not bother to correct his mistakes once again. I fly Jat at least once a month and I have been doing it for the past 15 years so I know what I am talking about. They might not have the best customer service but they are not as bad as the guy makes them look.

Quoting LJ (Reply 11):

Well, if Etihad wants to do it then I am sure they have done their homework and they know what they are doing. Let's wait and see what happens, if it happens at all.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

Quoting airdfw (Reply 13):
I thought for a second it was EY-9W often talked about but nowhere near final deal. So EY will now have both Jat and Jet as partners?

I hope thaty they can keep both apart at EY if all goes though   . Moreover, we would probably get both Jet and JAT in Skyteam.


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2650 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4023 times:
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I just got an e-mail from Jat with their spring sale and they added for the first time Finnair and Air Berlin as their partners.

They have also added new destinations via codeshare agreements:

Barcelona with Alitalia.
Algiers with Alitalia.
Ankara with Turkish Airlines/Sun Express and Austrian Airlines.
Antalya via Istanbul in cooperation with Atlas Jet.
Baku with Aeroflot.
Basel with Austrian Airlines.
Bodrum with Atlas Jet.
Florence with Alitalia.
Helsinki is offered in partnership with Flybe via Zurich, advertised as Finnair.
Nuremberg via Berlin in cooperation with Air Berlin.
Reykjavik with Icelandair via Amsterdam.

These are but a few new additions. In summer they will be offering a total of 50 destinations either through their own direct flights or thanks to their cooperation with other carriers. They will be working with Austrian Airlines, Aegean, Air Berlin, Alitalia and Aeroflot.

[Edited 2013-04-02 22:36:07]

User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 12):
The crew was smoking during the flight, on take-off the crew was sitting in Business Class rather than on their jump seats... It will be quite a task for EY to change these bad habits and to introduce a standard service level. Good luck!

I will be one of the last people on here to protect JU and its is true that these things have occurred in the past - and not only on JU, but this was 5 years ago...

Flew LH recently and could not bare the rudeness of the crew, the filth of the plane and to be told that they ran out of water... but would be unfair to grade LH as rubbish based on that last experience, right?



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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2650 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3539 times:
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According to Blic, a rather trashy and really popular newspaper in Serbia, Etihad is coming to Serbia on April 15th. They will be coming to discuss the take over but on that day a direct link between Belgrade and Abu Dhabi is supposed to be established. In addition to that, Etihad will acquire 49% of Jat and will take over the airline for the next five years with a possibility of an extension.

For all of you who can understand Serbian here is a link:
http://www.blic.rs/Vesti/Ekonomija/3...-u-Beogradu-o-partnerstvu-sa-Jatom


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2650 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3220 times:
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New developments:

- A codeshare agreement has been signed between the two airlines on Saturday.
- Etihad will launch flights to Belgrade in the next two months, definitely before June.
- On April 15 Hogan is coming to Belgrade to sign the memorandum of understanding for a strategic partnership.
- Next week Etihad and Jat will trial the Abu Dhabi - Belgrade service in global reservation systems.

This seems promising, I am sure there will be more information in the coming days.

For those interested here is a link in English:
http://exyuaviation.blogspot.com/


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2650 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2885 times:
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Ex Yu aviation blog published this on their Facebook page:

'EX-YU Aviation will be bringing you EXCLUSIVE news regarding the Etihad - Jat takeover including the timetable for upcoming Abu Dhabi - Belgrade flights, codeshare arrangements and much more. Don't forget to check in tomorrow at 09.00 CEST.'

I guess this is happening.


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 19):
- Etihad will launch flights to Belgrade in the next two months, definitely before June.

I wonder what will happen to the QR flight. If EY indeed starts AUH-BEG, I would say it will be goodbye to QR.


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2650 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2819 times:
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Quoting LJ (Reply 21):

Especially since Etihad announced that they would operate daily flights.


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2650 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2675 times:
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Etihad is scheduled to launch daily Belgrade flights on June 15 and this is the schedule:

Abu Dhabi - Belgrade // 08:35 - 12:15
Belgrade - Abu Dhabi // 13:00 - 20:20

Aircraft: Airbus A320.

After 22 years Jat's codes will be back in Australia while its Melbourne flight will carry the same code it did back in the day when JAT used to fly their DC-10s down there, JU 580/581.

Here is the list of destinations where the two airlines will codeshare: Sydney, Melbourne, Seychelles, Beijing, Bangkok, Brisbane, Kuwait City, Hong Kong and Singapore.
It was announced that Etihad will codeshare on most Jat's flights however they have not yet announced the exact cities. More information might be available on April 15 when Hogan is expected to visit Belgrade.

This is great news and it will be interesting to see what impact this will have on airlines such as Qatar, flydubai and Turkish Airlines which are all trying to attract passengers from Belgrade travelling to Asia. Etihad's flight will depart Belgrade only 30 minutes before flydubai.

You can read the whole story here:
http://exyuaviation.blogspot.com/


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 21):
I wonder what will happen to the QR flight. If EY indeed starts AUH-BEG, I would say it will be goodbye to QR.

I know many, many people who had the option to go FZ/EK or QR from BEG to either Australia, South Africa or Asia and all of them went on FZ because of the Ankara stop, they just couldn't be bothered....



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User currently offlinecrazyguineapig From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Some updates:

Tango Six says Jat has already arranged for the three-year lease of Adria Airways' two Airbus A319s (S5-AAP and S5-AAR), which were delivered in 2010 and have very few hours on them. An additional two A320s are supposedly coming on a three-year lease from BOC Aviation. Yesterday on April 11 Jat's director Ognjenovic allegedly signed a paper confirming the schooling of Jat's pilots for the Airbus A320 family. Etihad's delegation with James Hogan are supposed to be in Belgrade on Monday, April 15, to sign the MoU that will give Etihad a 49% stake in Jat with the right to name Jat's board.

Only one ATR that suits Jat's needs has been found on the market, although whether it is a 72-500 or a 72-600 is not stated. Overall, according to Tango Six and EX YU Aviation News, a sum of five aircraft will be joining Jat's fleet this summer. It should also be noted that only five 733s are currently operating and only two out of three ATR-72-200s are flying--the new aircraft will simply be used to prevent cancellations as opposed to opening new routes if I'm not mistaken.

As for competition with the flights to the gulf, my opinion is the following:
-Turkish Airlines will be hurt but will not pull out, they are located too close to BEG and provide enough non-connecting traffic to survive.
-Flydubai, contrary to popular belief, actually does not fly many connecting passengers. At least half of the people who fly FZ from BEG to DXB are actually going to DXB for the sake of going to Dubai. Because of this, don't expect Flydubai to drop out.
-Qatar Airways will take this as a punch. Their flights will be rather obsolete if the technical stop in Ankara stays. If they make a nonstop DOH-BEG flight with a low frequency they may be able to remain competitive without taking major losses.
-I would love to see EK come to BEG, but since Etihad was "quicker" to choose BEG as one of its new destinations, it is now less likely that EK will just cannonball into the pool. I'm sure there are people in this forum who know enough about EK that they could inform us the likelihood of BEG being a feasible new destination.


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2650 posts, RR: 6
Reply 26, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2317 times:
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Quoting crazyguineapig (Reply 25):
to prevent cancellations as opposed to opening new routes if I'm not mistaken.

I think the new planes will be used on routes where frequencies were added, such as Paris and Moscow where both cities have gone from a daily to double daily flights. The one Atr will be used as they need a replacement for the one whose lease expired recently. Also, Paris airport (or was it Air France?) has been constantly complaining about Jat's old metal so I suppose that the Airbuses will be flown between Belgrade and Paris.
It will be interesting to see what happens with Jat's charter flights and which aircraft they will use, my guess would be the old B737-300s.


If Jat is to take Adria's A319s then that will leave them with a fleet of CRJ 900s and CRJ 200s. It will be interesting to see what will happen to their Pristina base.


User currently offlinelollomz From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2285 times:
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I hope they will think about a new livery if they will change the fleet, the actual one is really boring....

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