817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2926 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 31995 times:
Interesting, thanks for sharing that. While its not a done deal, its much of an indication that it will change. He did in fact say He doesnt know the answer to the question yet... Will it change? Maybe, Maybe not... Who knows. We'll just have to wait and see really...
jayunited From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 1149 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 31292 times:
If the livery is going to change wouldn't it make since for AA to stop repainting their aircraft in order to save money? I know Parker can't tell AA to stop the repainting process because he is not yet the CEO of AA, however since all parties involved know that the government will sign off on this merger wouldn't it be smart to get some AA and US people together and make a final decision to either keep the current new AA livery or start working on an all new livery for the new AA/US and stop AA from waisting any more money painting their aircraft in this new scheme?
NWAROOSTER From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1234 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 31010 times:
American Airlines is going to need to repaint their aircraft , merger or no merger. Their aircraft now have a lot of composite materials used on them and that all has to be painted. Just painting the composite creates a checkerboard effect with the bare aluminum used on it's aircraft. If I am correct any Airbus aircraft that American or US Airways use aluminum that does not have Alclad Aluminum and requires painting. This is why all Airbus aircraft are painted with a green primer. I have heard that Airbus will use Alclad , but the customer must wait for it and pay for the Alclad Aluminum.
The Fokker F-100s that American had came with Alclad Aluminum, but it had to be ordered special. American at that time did not want to paint the fuselage of their aircraft, but wanted them to be bare polished aluminum.
This saved weight, reduced drag and reduced fuel consumption.
questions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 959 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 30745 times:
As predicted by a lot of folks, this disaster of a new AA livery will not stick. Changing it is just not the highest priority in the middle of a transaction this size and Parker's previous comments were just polite corporate speak to show support until he is fully in charge.
Having seen it with my own eyes in Dallas recently in both good and indifferent weather, I have to say I like it.
I think it's a BIG improvement on the mishmash that the ancient livery had become with different bits of various planes painted grey. If not frequently polished, the bare metal becomes shabby very quickly. From the state of some of the fleet, it's obvious that polishing had dropped way down AA's priority list.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana!
cruiseshipcrew From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 207 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 29837 times:
My sources say its 100% confirmed a new livery and logo is already being worked on and I have full trust in my sources. The Delta Airlines Ron Allen livery will feel like it lasted forever compared to this.
avek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4458 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 29696 times:
Eh, I just interpret The AAlcoholic's comments to mean that once he's CEO, they'll keep the new AA livery, but change the tail to a tint-coordinated version of the current US tail. Together that'd be a sweet livery.
Austwin From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 29464 times:
If they would fix the tail so that the blue field didn't have lines it would look like a flag. As it is now, it looks like piano keys to me. And the paint needs to be more silver, imho. I'd prefer the eagle, but if the flag was fixed that would be ok with me too.
BN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 29195 times:
Wow... to get a CEO to even comment on something so trivial??? All the bitching MUST have gotten someone's attention ..enough to force these comments.
I've never seen an airline CEO come remotely close to a ...'hold on a minute..' about something of this rather insignificant nature. They usually have a 'whatever attitude' about this stuff.
Lord knows I bitched up a firestorm here, on youtube vids, on news web pages that discussed the 'new livery' - along with many many others. I've no doubt that the 'torrential rain of negative comments' left a stinging impact on someone in PR who felt it worthy to run in up the chain to prompt this addressing of the issue.
Now the clue to this being 'fluff n puff' or an actual area of concern will come in the form of a decelerated paint schedule, the guys here who seem to have a handle on the ships headed for the paint shops, will pick up on it right away. If that happens...I'll be one happy camper.
Iberia put the brakes on their ugly revision. So now there's hope AA can go back and get it right...funny thing is, US Airways has never ran into an ugly scheme they didn't like. For them to speak of a livery...that's HUGE.
Whoever forced the issue, please read this....
I've seen two ships up-close and personal... it blows, in big chunks. In a video at Heathrow, that tail next to a sea of British Airways - Union Jack tails looked like a piss poor attempt to 'also put our (US) flag on a tail'..it really looks that bad.
1. - Get rid of that tail ...at a very minimum! (start completely over! Even consider some of renderings done by a few A.netters here in the thread discussing the 'new livery').
2. - Embolden that forward fuselage appearance just a tad
..but whatever you do..abandon this 'cheap video-game' look.. it is indeed horrendous! It's just not meant to be worn by America's premier carrier!
"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
KarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 14891 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 28298 times:
Quoting cruiseshipcrew (Reply 13): My sources say its 100% confirmed a new livery and logo is already being worked on and I have full trust in my sources. The Delta Airlines Ron Allen livery will feel like it lasted forever compared to this.
So why changing it in the first place What a waste of money.
ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21825 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 28249 times:
The only issue I see here is that the US tail is pretty poor so the decision makers involved wont have a history of good decisions on livery. Redoing the newly painted tails and leaving the rest is the easiest option, and likely what will happen. Repaint the US birds and unrepainted AA birds first, hit the tails of the recent ones last. Or do a B6 and come up with multiple tails leaving the current tails as is.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
georgiaame From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 28040 times:
Actually, I really like the tail. It's that off tone, Euro-white fuselage that I think is ugly. Eagle it up a bit, dare to be distinctive! People might not have liked Delta's "wavy-gravy" tail (I loved it), but it was distinctive and different from all the others - a hell of a lot better than the dull mess they fly these days. Get some Stars and Bars, Eagles, SOMETHING, onto that bland tube!
"Trust, but verify!" An old Russian proverb, quoted often by a modern American hero
klkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 959 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 27990 times:
The rest of the branding is pretty good. I think 90% of us on here agree that the problem is the tail and seemingly Parker gets this, as well. I'm willing to bet that the tail is the only thing DP changes.