United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9252 posts, RR: 14 Posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2889 times:
After the takeover of TWA by AA, AA became the World's largest airline having a slightly larger network as well as market share than UAL.
Do you guys think UAL will regain the title as 'The World's largest air carrier'????
A few Analysts, friends of mine, have told me that it is quite likely for AA to downsize itself by cutting the non-profit making routes of TWA. And after sometime, UAL will have a larger market share than AA.
Besides, a few Brokers of Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, believe that UAL may target on another airline, for example: resubmit another proposal to buy up part/whole of US Airways, after they have solved their Financial Difficulties. And they will expand again!
Jean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2704 times:
I don't think UA or any other ailrine, for that matter, will be in an agressive posture in terms of growth or whatnot, after the last couple days' events, they're just going to have to focus on rebuilding safety, confidence, so on... I don't think there will be much moving and shaking going on with the way the world suddenly now is.
Just my 2 cents Des...
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16427 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2655 times:
The combined AA/TWA network might actually end up being bigger than the sum of the parts....how many fliers avoided TWA because of its small network, one hub, financial trouble, non-inclusion in worldwide alliances? Current & potential AA customers now have a much larger and complete AA network to satisfy their travel needs. Even after rationalizing routes, aircraft, etc. the combined AA/TWA system has more critical mass to fuel future growth. This may well keep them larger than UA, barring a UA acquisition.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
ILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2636 times:
No-one knows what the future may hold for United. Right now, becomming the worlds largest airline is probably the farthest thing on their minds.
United Shuttle is also a money loosing joke on the west coast. Dont count on seeing Shuttle grow out east. Our premium travelers try to avoid Shuttle out here on the west, bringing it to the east right now would be a very stupid thing. Having a North East corridor does make sence, but United isnt in the position to do that.
Also, Desmond, bigger isnt always better. Just remember that.
Ceilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2601 times:
Remember what happened to once-mighty Pan Am after Lockerbie - within a couple of years it had ceased to exist. Both United and American are going to be hit with a massive loss of passenger confidence and multi-billion dollar lwasuits as their security (or lack of it) was directly attributable to Tuesday's terrible events.
United, the biggest airline in the world again? I wouldn't put a dollar on them being in business five years from now...
Ceilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2577 times:
United Airline - sure, Pan Am was sick - very sick - prior to Lockerbie. But the financial implications are very much greater than for Lockerbie - every ambulance chasing attorney will be after them on behalf of each and every one of those killed; the companies that will have been destroyed, the owners/insurers of those buildings destroyed... and liability will be easy to establish because of the US system where it's the airlines, rather than the government that's responsible for security. AA and UA messed up big time on that (though to be fair to them the chances of detecting razor blades inserted into the handles of toothbrushes - as is being alleged - are very remote)
Fly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3171 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2566 times:
Who cares about size these days?
This is the letter that LH's CEO wrote to UA's CEO:
The events in the wake of the appalling terrorist attacks on the United States of America, your airline, its passengers and staff have left us with a sense of shock and incomprehension. We are devastated by the scale of suffering that has been unleashed by this barbaric act.
On behalf of all our staff and the Lufthansa Executive Board I should like to express our condolences and our deepest sympathy for you.
I would also like to offer you our help. Please let us know if our staff can support you in any way during this crisis.
I hope you will be able to summon the necessary strength and fortitude to cope with with the aftermath of the tragedy, and that your staff will retain their faith in a better future, in which together we will succeed in banishing such despicable acts of terrorism from our lives.
My thoughts are with you,
Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been...
Chepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6286 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2528 times:
I think this tragedy hit UAL and AA at very bad times, the economy is going downward and with this its even going to get worst. And now everyone is going to starts with the lawsuits and everything, I think that both UAL and AA are going to take some time to recover and the they could care less right now if they are the biggest airline or not.
Lindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3138 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2511 times:
First, I absolutely agree that the question of largest is totally irrelevant at the present moment.
Both airliners are likely to downsize in the coming months--the only question is which will downsize more. If you look at United's financial results from this and last year, you might understand that they were already performing very poorly. Under the present circumstances, they might very well be threatened by the prospect of Chapter 11. Please understand that I am not saying that that would be desireable.
Mirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7454 posts, RR: 61
Reply 16, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2462 times:
Here's my glimpse of the Geshalt here:
Security at airports isn't ONLY a function of the carrier. At the gates, it's AIRPORT Security that is responsible.
The fact that AA and UA were involved was merely because we are the UNITED States of AMERICA.
If our nation was called Midway or Delta, I would put my money on the fact that those airplanes would have been targeted instead.
After the fact, think about this: Your company's jets have just been used to kill thousands. In the grand scheme of things, WHICH CARRIER is MOST likely to have the TIGHTEST security now? I would sooner but a ticket on AA or UA now then ever before. just common sense.
One question: I was under the assumption that as of the AA/TWA buyout, AA was the world's largest. Just for clarification.
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OH-LGA From Denmark, joined Oct 1999, 1436 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (13 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2335 times:
Shuttle is gone... that was beginning to occur even before Tuesday's horror happened. Look for all Shuttle routes to be replaced with mainline. Shuttle was an attempt to compete with Southwest on the West Coast. Business travellers avoid it at all costs, and there are lots of other issues that make it a problem.
United is losing money every day their planes sit on the ground and do nothing. They do NOT have a large amount of cash on hand, and I believe the American public will most likely try to divest themselves of AMR Corp. or UAL Corp. stock come Friday/Monday when the stock exchanges open. Although, freezing the stock might not be such a bad idea...
I just hope they'll be able to pull themselves out of this mess. Good luck AA & UA!
Head in the clouds... yet feet planted firmly on the ground.