Aesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 8131 posts, RR: 16 Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13637 times:
A Hermes Airlines Airbus A321-100 on behalf of Air Méditerranée, registration SX-BHS performing flight ML-7817 from Agadir (Morocco) to Lyon (France) with 174 passengers and 7 crew, overran the end of the runway 36R while landing at Lyon at about 20:50L (19:50Z) and came to a stop just before the localizer antenna about 300 meters past the runway end with all gear on soft ground. No injuries are being reported.
The airport was closed for about 2.5 hours. The aircraft is estimated to be removed the following day, the runway remains closed until the aircraft has been towed to the apron.
The airport confirmed the aircraft overran the end of runway B by about 300 meters while landing in thick fog and got stuck in deep mud. Heavy equipment will be needed to move the aircraft back onto paved surface.
As an airline pilot I understand that we all have bad days, what I don't understand is some peoples decision making. I would say well done to the cabin crew for keeping people calm. If this was an auto land equipment failure, or equipment failure in general, I would say well done to the pilots, but if this was just an error in judgement and a completely botched landing, then I would not say well done, I would say what were you thinking? Unless that plane was on fire, there is never a good reason to see a plane off a runway! Period!
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing! It's a bonus if you can fly the plane again!!
cuban8 From Kiribati, joined Sep 2009, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13083 times:
Quoting by738 (Reply 6): One of those things that could/should have potentially diverted to another airfield ?
It's a bit early to tell, but Lyon is a very well equipped airport with CAT II / III low-visibility approach capability as far as I remember. If weather was really bad, maybe they could have requested the longer runway 36L which has 4000 m of runway available, instead of the 2670 m of runway 36R. That being said, it's always easy to be after-smart.
Quoting Azure (Reply 9): The aircraft is registered in Greece, the crew is probably under a greek contract, and French forums already abound with critics on the policy of some airlines that leads to social dumping...
Well, these critics might not be completely wrong but the same can be said about so many other companies operating in France. Air Méditerranée, Aigle Azur and Ryan Air are also doing social dumping according to my standards....
Pihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4994 posts, RR: 78
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13030 times:
Come on, guys, it's too early to make any conclusions -and the French sites are quite bad in this respect.
ROPS = *Runway Overrun Protection System* is an Airbus designed syatems which computes your landing distance - with runway surface conditions - and the geometry of your approach ; The result is a synthetic sexy female voice that tells you : "Darling, if you want to see me tonight, you better go around, dummy, as there is not enough concrete for your idiotically botched approach " repeated 17 times
NAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12894 times:
Quoting Pihero (Reply 12): ROPS = *Runway Overrun Protection System* is an Airbus designed syatems which computes your landing distance - with runway surface conditions - and the geometry of your approach ; The result is a synthetic sexy female voice that tells you : "Darling, if you want to see me tonight, you better go around, dummy, as there is not enough concrete for your idiotically botched approach " repeated 17 times
Leaves me 'lost in space,' Pihero. As an amateur, I've done my share of 'half-light' landings - thankfully no 'full dark' ones.
I hope you'll shortly confirm, though, that you're joking about the 'sexy female voice' - on present evidence, for all us 'PBI' (First World War slang, meaning 'Poor Bloody Infantry,' taught to me by my father), we're all being conned?
"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards.." - Leonardo da Vinci
Pihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4994 posts, RR: 78
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12798 times:
Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13): I hope you'll shortly confirm, though, that you're joking about the 'sexy female voice' - on present evidence, for all us 'PBI' (First World War slang, meaning 'Poor Bloody Infantry,' taught to me by my father), we're all being conned?
No, it's not a con, just an expression of some sexual phantasms
To be really serious, ROPS is a development of the BTV - brake to vacate - function of the A380 avionics... and contrary to my phatasm, it's a male very British voice - you know the queen's English - that says 3Runway too short !!!
Here is a complete and simple description of the *thing* , with illustrations :
a380900 From France, joined Dec 2003, 1122 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 12666 times:
Is the plane a write-off? Just a matter of cleaning it up? Somewhere in the middle? Does anybody have a view on how much damage can have been sustained and what it will take to have this baby back in the air?
cedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2722 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10406 times:
Same accident,same airline ,same aircraft type but another airport : Air Mediterranee A321 at Paris CDG on Feb 9th 2009, overran runway
An Air Mediterranee Airbus A321-200, registration F-GYAJ performing flight DR-8177 (departing Feb 8th) from Dakar (Senegal) to Paris Charles de Gaulle (France) with 221 passengers and 8 crew, overran the runway end at Paris Charles de Gaulle and got stuck on the runway while landing at CDG in light snowfall around 0:20 local (23:20Z Feb 8th). The passengers could disembark about one hour later onto the runway and were bussed to the terminal. No injuries occured, the aircraft received substantial damage.
[Edited 2013-03-30 14:27:45]
Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !Jeg har en lidenskap for luftfart!j'ai
Crosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2623 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6147 times:
Quoting debonair (Reply 22): Any idea why ML is using a Greek registered A321 to fly from Morocco to France? BTW. what's the main focus (routes etc.) of Hermes Airlines?
Hermes Airlines is a subsidiary of Air Méditerranée, I would suspect this was done to reduce costs in some way, as there has been some labour unrest between the French and Greek divisions of the company. Their main focus appears to be wet leasing Air Méditerranée aircraft back to Air Méditerranée!!
: How about mud in the engines. How bad is that? Can you clean that up?
: It just seems like there was a lot of wet mud thrown up over the aircraft, i don't see any visible damage from the photo's.
: One has to be careful viewing these pictures : the only one so far that's useful is the TV shot Aesma showed on # 15 : It is clear that : 1/- the mud