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Air Méditerranée A321 300m Off Runway End At LYS  
User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6601 posts, RR: 9
Posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12252 times:

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A Hermes Airlines Airbus A321-100 on behalf of Air Méditerranée, registration SX-BHS performing flight ML-7817 from Agadir (Morocco) to Lyon (France) with 174 passengers and 7 crew, overran the end of the runway 36R while landing at Lyon at about 20:50L (19:50Z) and came to a stop just before the localizer antenna about 300 meters past the runway end with all gear on soft ground. No injuries are being reported.

The airport was closed for about 2.5 hours. The aircraft is estimated to be removed the following day, the runway remains closed until the aircraft has been towed to the apron.

The airport confirmed the aircraft overran the end of runway B by about 300 meters while landing in thick fog and got stuck in deep mud. Heavy equipment will be needed to move the aircraft back onto paved surface.

http://avherald.com/h?article=45ff32de&opt=0

Quite the overrun, thankfully there was enough space !


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User currently offlineA36001 From Australia, joined Sep 2012, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12233 times:

Wow, looks messy. Has the aircraft sunk into the mud, or is it the camera angle? Glad all are safe...  

User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5131 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12160 times:

Looks like the nose gear has been ripped off or removed

According to radio news 7 passengers are being treated in hospital for shock.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6601 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12139 times:

No all gears look fine. I've seen an image from the other side where it's clearer, I'll try to find it.


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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12121 times:

Looks like 'one of those things' - rotten weather/visibility, but thankfully no deaths/injuries. Well done to the crew, best wishes to all involved, glad you all 'made it'.........


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User currently offlineautothrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1595 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12062 times:

Thanks god all survived. However such incedences would no longer occur if ROPS were installed.


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User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2296 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12019 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 4):
Looks like 'one of those things' - rotten weather/visibility

One of those things that could/should have potentially diverted to another airfield ?


User currently offlinewingnutmn From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11976 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 4):

As an airline pilot I understand that we all have bad days, what I don't understand is some peoples decision making. I would say well done to the cabin crew for keeping people calm. If this was an auto land equipment failure, or equipment failure in general, I would say well done to the pilots, but if this was just an error in judgement and a completely botched landing, then I would not say well done, I would say what were you thinking? Unless that plane was on fire, there is never a good reason to see a plane off a runway! Period!

Wingnut



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11923 times:

Quoting by738 (Reply 6):
One of those things that could/should have potentially diverted to another airfield ?

You could be right, by738. But Lyon is a pretty good airport, as far as I know the only possibly 'better-equipped' alternates in that part of the world would have been Paris or Geneva?



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User currently offlineAzure From France, joined Dec 2012, 620 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11841 times:

The aircraft is registered in Greece, the crew is probably under a greek contract, and French forums already abound with critics on the policy of some airlines that leads to social dumping...


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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11754 times:

Quoting autothrust (Reply 5):
However such incedences would no longer occur if ROPS were installed.
Quoting Azure (Reply 9):
French forums already abound with critics on the policy of some airlines that leads to social dumping...

Please guys, explain what you both mean by 'ROPS' and 'social dumping.'

Both terms are 'news' to me - and, I suspect, news to most other A.netters.

Please tell us how such concepts may have led to this accident?



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User currently offlinecuban8 From Kiribati, joined Sep 2009, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11698 times:

Quoting by738 (Reply 6):
One of those things that could/should have potentially diverted to another airfield ?

It's a bit early to tell, but Lyon is a very well equipped airport with CAT II / III low-visibility approach capability as far as I remember. If weather was really bad, maybe they could have requested the longer runway 36L which has 4000 m of runway available, instead of the 2670 m of runway 36R. That being said, it's always easy to be after-smart.

Quoting Azure (Reply 9):
The aircraft is registered in Greece, the crew is probably under a greek contract, and French forums already abound with critics on the policy of some airlines that leads to social dumping...

Well, these critics might not be completely wrong but the same can be said about so many other companies operating in France. Air Méditerranée, Aigle Azur and Ryan Air are also doing social dumping according to my standards....


User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4404 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11645 times:
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Come on, guys, it's too early to make any conclusions -and the French sites are quite bad in this respect.

ROPS = *Runway Overrun Protection System* is an Airbus designed syatems which computes your landing distance - with runway surface conditions - and the geometry of your approach ; The result is a synthetic sexy female voice that tells you : "Darling, if you want to see me tonight, you better go around, dummy, as there is not enough concrete for your idiotically botched approach " repeated 17 times  



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11509 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 12):
ROPS = *Runway Overrun Protection System* is an Airbus designed syatems which computes your landing distance - with runway surface conditions - and the geometry of your approach ; The result is a synthetic sexy female voice that tells you : "Darling, if you want to see me tonight, you better go around, dummy, as there is not enough concrete for your idiotically botched approach " repeated 17 times

Leaves me 'lost in space,' Pihero. As an amateur, I've done my share of 'half-light' landings - thankfully no 'full dark' ones.

I hope you'll shortly confirm, though, that you're joking about the 'sexy female voice' - on present evidence, for all us 'PBI' (First World War slang, meaning 'Poor Bloody Infantry,' taught to me by my father), we're all being conned?



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User currently onlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4404 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11413 times:
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Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):
I hope you'll shortly confirm, though, that you're joking about the 'sexy female voice' - on present evidence, for all us 'PBI' (First World War slang, meaning 'Poor Bloody Infantry,' taught to me by my father), we're all being conned?

     

No, it's not a con, just an expression of some sexual phantasms   
To be really serious, ROPS is a development of the BTV - brake to vacate - function of the A380 avionics... and contrary to my phatasm, it's a male very British voice - you know the queen's English - that says 3Runway too short !!!

Here is a complete and simple description of the *thing* , with illustrations :

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/le...he-a380-shows-off-airbus-clev.html



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6601 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11314 times:

I made a cap of the 13h TV news :



And of course the database has already a picture :


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User currently offlinea380900 From France, joined Dec 2003, 1110 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11281 times:

Is the plane a write-off? Just a matter of cleaning it up? Somewhere in the middle? Does anybody have a view on how much damage can have been sustained and what it will take to have this baby back in the air?

User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1248 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9933 times:

Doesn't look like this would be a write-off, as the landing gears didn't collapse I doubt there's any damage caused to anything other than tires and maybe lower parts of landing gears.


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11644 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9835 times:

Depends what stresses were experienced during the over-run. It's 16 years old, if there's anything major then I suspect it's worth more in pieces.


Dan  



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User currently offlinecedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9021 times:

Same accident,same airline ,same aircraft type but another airport : Air Mediterranee A321 at Paris CDG on Feb 9th 2009, overran runway

An Air Mediterranee Airbus A321-200, registration F-GYAJ performing flight DR-8177 (departing Feb 8th) from Dakar (Senegal) to Paris Charles de Gaulle (France) with 221 passengers and 8 crew, overran the runway end at Paris Charles de Gaulle and got stuck on the runway while landing at CDG in light snowfall around 0:20 local (23:20Z Feb 8th). The passengers could disembark about one hour later onto the runway and were bussed to the terminal. No injuries occured, the aircraft received substantial damage.

[Edited 2013-03-30 14:27:45]


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User currently offlinebreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1917 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7998 times:

The flight originated from Dakar.
Maybe the pilot thought he was flying a bush plane   
Judging by the dirt, it looks like it.
Nice when such a mishap ends like this.

[Edited 2013-03-30 16:27:50]

User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 778 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5273 times:

Quoting Pihero (Reply 12):

Made my day   

I´d suspect that the a/c may have experienced substantial structural damage that is not visible at first glance ...



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User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2417 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4929 times:

Quoting Aesma (Thread starter):
A Hermes Airlines Airbus A321-100 on behalf of Air Méditerrané

Any idea why ML is using a Greek registered A321 to fly from Morocco to France? BTW. what's the main focus (routes etc.) of Hermes Airlines?


User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1718 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4863 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 22):
Any idea why ML is using a Greek registered A321 to fly from Morocco to France?

Because Hermes is a Greek company. In the Greek mythology, Hermes was a god, of transitions and boundaries from what I've read.



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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4762 times:
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Quoting debonair (Reply 22):
Any idea why ML is using a Greek registered A321 to fly from Morocco to France? BTW. what's the main focus (routes etc.) of Hermes Airlines?

Hermes Airlines is a subsidiary of Air Méditerranée, I would suspect this was done to reduce costs in some way, as there has been some labour unrest between the French and Greek divisions of the company. Their main focus appears to be wet leasing Air Méditerranée aircraft back to Air Méditerranée!!

Regards
CROSSWIND


25 a380900 : How about mud in the engines. How bad is that? Can you clean that up?
26 clydenairways : It just seems like there was a lot of wet mud thrown up over the aircraft, i don't see any visible damage from the photo's.
27 Pihero : One has to be careful viewing these pictures : the only one so far that's useful is the TV shot Aesma showed on # 15 : It is clear that : 1/- the mud
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