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Turkish Aviation April 2013  
User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 12
Posted (1 year 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 15587 times:

Hello TK Aviation fans,
What a great spring day here in Istanbul, welcome to April!


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Please continue here where we left off from last month, with TK's big narrowbody order, leased 77Ws, possible Australia link and Congrats to TK on its first day of non-stop IST-IAH.


Welcome,
TK787

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26941 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 15501 times:

Quoting TK787 (Thread starter):
What a great spring day here in Istanbul, welcome to April!

Thanks for a new thread and wish you could send some of that weather here !

Love the 2020 logo jet. Fingers crossed for a successful bid . 166 days to go  

Im sure if they get it then TK would do a more substanial livery for it.


User currently offlineMeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15212 times:

TC-JJG is scheduled for inaugural flight to Houston. She has 309 pax on board, good load for first flight.

User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15041 times:

I am sure the IAH route will go daily very soon. Is it aircraft availability issue or TK being cautious for a new route? I think the traffic that TK is going after here would need a daily frequency...


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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 15017 times:

Quoting MeCe (Reply 2):

TC-JJG is scheduled for inaugural flight to Houston. She has 309 pax on board, good load for first flight.

good loads are indeed expected; however, around 120 pax on this particular inaugural flight were invited guest of TK. I expect this route to be daily in a very short time.


User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14993 times:

Greetings from TK33, inaugural flight to Houston.

We are now somewhere over Reykjavik. It is nice to be on a inaugural flight. Only problem is the slow internet. I'll provide some more update later today from Houston.


User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 14959 times:

Quoting gokmengs (Reply 3):
I am sure the IAH route will go daily very soon. Is it aircraft availability issue or TK being cautious for a new route? I think the traffic that TK is going after here would need a daily frequency...
Quoting stylo777 (Reply 4):
I expect this route to be daily in a very short time.

It's confirmed to be going 6X per week (according to Trade Arabia) starting in July....wish this was known sooner though as I am having to travel on this same flight in August but choosing from the current 4X per week schedule....preferred the Wed. flight option coming this summer.

Anyone know when you can get seat assignments? Is it still 90 - 100 days from departure or has that changed?

"Beginning in July, flights between the two cities will be increased to six times weekly with the addition of Wednesday and Sunday flights."

http://www.tradearabia.com/news/TTN_233249.html

[Edited 2013-04-01 09:01:41]

User currently offlineMeCe From Turkey, joined Oct 2009, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14919 times:

Yes TK33 will be 6x weekly from July 2013. After delivery of leased 777's some frames will be available for these increments. However this summer will be very chaotic in IST; daily departures hit over 900 from day one of summer schedule. Lets wait and see how TK will handle this situation.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25143 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 14903 times:

Here is insight to another TK route - the Thailand regional manager gave an interview.

The Bangkok market which TK has now served for 25-years is very strong. In 2012 monthly load factors reached a peak of 91%. They expect to average more than 88% LF for 2013.

BKK routes premium traffic demand in 2012 was up 24% while revenue increased by 36%. Economy traffic demand grew 14% with revenue was up 15% in 2012.

Interesting that while in the past traffic was primarily inbound to Thailand due to its popularity as a tourism destination, now TK is concentrating on selling growing number outbound seats from Thailand as well by pushing the benefits of its wide European network. It mentioned that Spain in particular is a popular beyond market due to TKs service to 5 Spanish cities there.

This year BKK will operate 11x weekly nonstops from IST with mix of A330/A340 equipment.

Turkish delight for airline's BKK route
http://www.bangkokpost.com/business/...kish-delight-for-airline-bkk-route

Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
.wish this was known sooner

Its been loaded in GDS since March 16th.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25143 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 14716 times:

TK plans on adding Heraklion(Crete) Greece to its network.

Pending government approvals, route would start as soon as June.

Story:
http://english.capital.gr/News.asp?id=1763676

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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2968 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14607 times:

something regional:
Seabird Airlines started its operations between Istanbul and Bursa. A Twin Otter with 18 seats is used for prices as low as 100TRY.

Sounds quite interesting and should be tried out...


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25143 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14562 times:

Back in the day TK served Bursa along with other nearby cities like Yalova, Tekirdag, Bandirma.

With some 2 million people Bursa is certainly not a small market, however its geography (being so close to Istanbul) and location of the Yenisehir airport has hampered service. Many people simply opt to take the fast boat ferry across to Istanbul.

Be interesting how Seabird Airlines does. However I do have doubts as they seem to come up with route ideas to only quietly drop them a but later.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14538 times:

according to a post in Indian aviation thread theres an Air India A310Fapparently in AI livery, stored at SAW, who does it belong to now any idea?

User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14534 times:

Here is a short info about my experience today for ESB-IST-IAH flight.

I took TK2109 from ESB to IST on a A343 (TC-JDK Diyarbakir). I see that A343/332 are regular visitors to ESB for morning and evening connections to/from US & Far East flights. In the summer even 777 is used time to time for these connections. Also today TK2109 was totally packed. I also observed that interior of plane is in very good shape in comparison to its age.

A few weeks back, some one claimed that ESB-IST-XXX flights may be cheaper than IST-XXX flights: No it is NOT! As a regular purchaser of such tickets, I can say that at least 50 Euro have to be paid on top of IST-XXX ticket price unless there is a special promotion. However since IST-ESB flights are also packed, normally you have to pay more than that.

I went to TK Lounge at IST. Again it was crowded, not a single place to sit. Looks like TK Lounge is crowded 7/24. I think TK needs to extend it ASAP before it becomes to late (OK it is brand new, but TK is growing at 20%).

At the gate, there was a small welcome cocktail (of course no liqueurs!) which was also a nice touch.

Once we were airborne, Economy Minister Zafer Caglayan and Hamdi Topcu went through all the plane and welcomed everybody on board one by one.

Food was excellent as always. With Planet AVOD System TK has come a long way and it is OK for movies but for music/podcast/documentary content, it is still ages back in comparison to ICE of EK.

Apart from slow passport process, IAH was also a nice experience.


Houston we have a problem, TK33 is approaching!  


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4424 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14433 times:

Quoting TK105 (Reply 13):

Welcome to a.net and thanks for the short trip report.
I lived for a short time in Houston almost 20 years back and never thought about a TK nonstop flight from IST to IAH. I even played soccer for the awesome IstanbulSpor there, we had great uniforms.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26941 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 14295 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
TK plans on adding Heraklion(Crete) Greece to its network.

Yes hope it goes ahead. There is alot of scope for the increase in tourism. Also CFU has been mentioned as a seasonal service.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25143 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 14213 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 12):
according to a post in Indian aviation thread theres an Air India A310Fapparently in AI livery, stored at SAW, who does it belong to now any idea?

There was also a passenger A310. They are being parted out by MyTechnic.

Here is a photo by someone - you can see the freighter (N430AL) in the background
http://distilleryimage8.s3.amazonaws...6852606711e2a5b622000a9f1254_7.jpg

Here is the passenger one (N428AL) before the chop job
http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7321146&nseq=0

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25143 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14093 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 15):
Yes hope it goes ahead. There is alot of scope for the increase in tourism. Also CFU has been mentioned as a seasonal service.

I think its actually quite interesting how regional Greek authorities have been heavily lobbying TK and other Turkish companies the last year or so.

I think they realize one of the potential economic life lines they have is attracting Turkish visitors and business activity.

Hopefully its part of further détente between the nations making it a win-win for everyone in the long run.

Someone even suggested with the mess in Cyprus, there could be mutual benefits in encouraging new economic links between the sides also.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26941 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14045 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
I think its actually quite interesting how regional Greek authorities have been heavily lobbying TK and other Turkish companies the last year or so.

Well after the Pasok era in Greece in the 80s Greece looked more West and less towards the East which I always said was not maybe the right idea. Greece always had decent relations with the East but did not take full advantage of these historical ties. Obviously the relationship between Greece and Turkey has had its rocky road but since 1999 things have changed. They realise now that you dont put all your eggs in one basket and you need to explore markets that were often there but never actively gone after.

On my trips to IST especially the ones from ATH-IST it is heartening to see flights full of Greek and Turkish businessmen and school exchange students. Who would have thought that such a route as Izmir, historically known as Smyrna would have direct flights ADB-ATH.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
Someone even suggested with the mess in Cyprus, there could be mutual benefits in encouraging new economic links between the sides also.

We are a long way from a jointly run NIC   But it will certainly force people on both sides into considering things that were not before. The casinos in the North have seen the decline from money taken in from ''Southern'' tourists so this affects the whole Island. A strong economy on both sides is good for all.

I would love to see the transit figures for TK connecting from ATH. TK last year had a large advertising campaign and offered some amazing fares to the USA and Far East. When my Family were over in March they would have booked TK ATH-IST-DUB but they wanted to visit the UK too so BA was the only option. TK were the best value though.

Another issue of course is the visa problem. This is hampering the potential cross border tourism between Turkey and Greece and something needs to be done about it. Im sure a scheme could be arranged to ease the red tape.


User currently offlineGEsubsea From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 183 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14039 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
Quoting GEsubsea (Reply 6):
.wish this was known sooner

Its been loaded in GDS since March 16th.

Understood, however these tickets were bought back in January when the original schedules were loaded for 4X weekly service.

[Edited 2013-04-02 11:33:10]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25143 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13982 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 18):
ho would have thought that such a route as Izmir, historically known as Smyrna would have direct flights ADB-ATH.

Many might not know - But Athens was TK's first international route back in 1947 using a DC-3, and Izmir-Athens services operated for many decades until relations soured over Cyprus.



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User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 13939 times:

Today THY had an invitation in Houston for celebrating IST-IAH inaugural flight.

There Hamdi Topcu announced that they expect to go double daily to IAH soon and next destinations in US will be SFO and ATL (!).



User currently offlinePbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 614 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13870 times:

Quoting TK105 (Reply 21):
There Hamdi Topcu announced that they expect to go double daily to IAH soon and next destinations in US will be SFO and ATL (!).

Double daily or daily? I know they are going to 6x weekly in July, and I would expect daily soon after. But I can't imagine they are already looking at going double daily.


User currently offlineTK105 From Turkey, joined Mar 2013, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13811 times:

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 22):
Double daily or daily? I know they are going to 6x weekly in July, and I would expect daily soon after. But I can't imagine they are already looking at going double daily.

He repeated twice in front of US Federal Congress Members of Texas, Mayor of Houston and Turkish Minister of Economy : Double daily!

Is he serious or is this just wishful thinking, I leave it up to you.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25143 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 13782 times:

As usual lots of random commentary from senior executives.
I'd rather hear news it from Kotil the CEO whom is actually involved in day to day operations. Topcu as chairman is more involved in mega fleet orders, politics and PR events.


In more serious news - Lufthansa subsidiary will train 100 pilots cadets for THY with type rating on the Airbus A320 or Boeing 737NG.

http://atwonline.com/training/100-tu...-study-pilot-training-network-gmbh

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25 thomasphoto60 : Agreed, playing to the local media and community.
26 Post contains links tkfan : Turkish Airlines is leasing 4 A320 for six years. Does anyone know where they will come from?? SE notification from April 01 http://www.turkishairline
27 TK787 : I knew he had a little bit of Texas in him. How far has he come from Rize. Double Daily; I hesitate to believe.
28 TK105 : I attended multiple meetings/presentations and will be attending more in Austin and Houston today and tomorrow. Texas in general is the biggest trade
29 JU068 : Jat Airways has signed a code-share agreement with Atlas Jet via Istanbul to Antalya, Bodrum and Izmir. Ankara will be in cooperation with Austrian Ai
30 TK787 : Also, I heard that yesterday there was a groundbreaking ceremony for a Borusan factory (close to Houston) that will eventually be employing 300 worke
31 777way : Finnair are to launch seasonal service to Antalya from June. Thanks LAX.
32 JU068 : It seems that Adria will be launching charter flights from Maribor in Slovenia to Ercan/Tymvou airport in northern Cyprus. Naturally these flights can
33 TK787 : Reporting from TK11 IST-JFK, -JJE, Dolmabahce. A five year girl just moved to the empty seat next to me. MORE WINE please!!!!! 5 empty seats on Comfor
34 TK787 : Good Morning from sunny NYC! Good to be back home after 3 weeks in Istanbul. More about TK11 last night; -IST was a breeze, no lines at TK nor securit
35 Post contains images OA260 : Indeed I prefer the personal touch where they hand them out. Yes you can often over eat and feel sluggish. Sometimes its hard to resist. Ouch that is
36 TK105 : Just back from IAH and waiting for my connecting flight to ESB. Ground stuff is very inexperienced at IAH and to connect my luggage to ESB via IST, th
37 Northstar80 : This is the most inconsistent and ineffective thing at TK. They want to be a 5 star airline, however, the boarding process is comparable to boarding
38 TK787 : TK11 yesterday departure was 18:20 and boarding was to be 17:20. I was the very first person at the gate and watched -JJE being serviced. Flight crew
39 ElPistolero : Had an interesting time with TK over the past two weeks. YYZ-IST in Comfort: the load looked to be around 65-70%. A few empty seats, particularly towa
40 ElPistolero : Ah yes, forgot about that. They enforced seatbelts, cell phone usage and window shades on all my flights, and collected headphones prior to descent.
41 ASA : I have had the exact similar asymmetric experience in last December ... in both directions. JFK-IST ... 77W Y+ ... Fabulous flights ... lots of food,
42 ElPistolero : Only because it was an open-jaw and I didn't fly back from DAC. It appears as though that Meridiana aircraft is dedicated to DAC, not unlike my exper
43 HB-IWC : It seems that since the onset of the S13 schedule, the DAC route has reverted to the two leased A332s TC-JNF and TC-JNG, while the Meridiana aircraft
44 TK105 : Again I got upgraded to C on TK2170 to ESB. If you are a EP card holder, with 1/3 probability for evening departures to ESB you get an upgrade. These
45 Post contains links JU068 : I guess this is not good publicity for Turkish Airlines. The French daily, Le Figaro, in an article on the 'Islamic drifts of Erdogan's Turkey' starts
46 JU068 : Well whatever they might be trying to do, I did not know that Turkish Airlines offers Quran readings on its flights. Is this new and is it on all its
47 mercure1 : Well yes French in recent years becoming more allergic to Islam it seems. Sad but true. If TK has IFE offering of spiritual Quran, that is smart. They
48 N14AZ : Currently, I am sitting in the TK lounge in IST and outside I saw an IB A346 parked at the Northern end of the apron, jyst where TKs mx-area starts. D
49 TurkishWings : The aircraft brought in the Real Madrid football team...
50 Turkish350XWB : Maybe the Real Madrid squad for the Champions League game on Tuesday?
51 OA260 : Its certainly a shame if Comfort Class goes. It is a great product and as above gives people an alternative if they cant afford or justify J but want
52 Northstar80 : I was sad reading the Comfort Class news, I enjoyed flying in Comfort Class and had decided to fly only on CC on long hauls. Economy class seats in TK
53 MeCe : TK started Comfort class too big on planes, 63 seats. A new product may take time make money; at now it is started make money. They have to stay calm
54 YTZ : What news? I haven't seen any concrete news on them getting rid of CC.
55 Post contains links Northstar80 : Yesterday there was a post with the link but I think it got deleted.. So here it is, only in Turkish though http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...er
56 Post contains links TK787 : Fresh news from "Emrecan", link TK website; TK orders 70+25 options of mix of 737s 20 x 738s, 65 x 738Max, 10 x 739Max Deliveries between 2016-2021 ht
57 Post contains links LAXintl : TK getting 3 more flight simulators - A32x, 737NG and 777. Will bring simulator count at the training center to 10. http://atwonline.com/training/turk
58 TK787 : -TK's Kuala Lumpur flights to start on April 25th 3 x weekly, to go to 4 x weekly on June 17th. Hope this time around it works out for TK. -TK's lates
59 TK787 : Looking at another thread this disaster scenario comes to my mind; Forget about TK getting rid of Comfort Class on the new batch of 77W; -The Survey S
60 LAXintl : TK is working on yet another C class concept for the future 77W deliveries. From what I have heard it will be more premium than today product and riva
61 777way : They are not dropping any destinations so it will more than likely work.
62 TK105 : I think there is another problem for TK 777 Comfort Class: When TK uses these planes for flights to ESB, ADB, DXB, JED, LHR, etc. they have a big pro
63 Northstar80 : With the current seat pitch of the TK 777s, it is not possible to make 10 abreast. TK has 31 and 32 inch seat pitch in their 777s, when you make this
64 Post contains images ASA : Very interesting - I did not know that! So, little bit off the topic here, what is the strategy that guides the airlines to choose a 9 or 10-abreast
65 LAXintl : There is no set rule about pitch in 9 vs 10 across. Airlines can pick what they want. Also pitch is a dubious measure in reality. For example the newe
66 Post contains images Northstar80 : Whatever. You get the idea. Of course there is no set rule, this is not the constitution General industry practice (except for charter ops and planes
67 Post contains links and images TK787 : I read part of the CED report ( Cevresel Etki Degerlendirme) on the 3rd. Istanbul report from airporthaber; http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...ali
68 Post contains links TK105 : This project looks like an environmental disaster on its own. According to report, daily expected emission of exhaust gasses (both planes and cars) w
69 Northstar80 : I flew IST-ESB yesterday and back. On the IST-ESB route, the flight showed an A333, and when checking in it was still an A333. I got on the bus and it
70 TK787 : Ha ha ha... This genius way of boarding plane from front and the back at the same time without directing people is unaccaptable. I have seen this bef
71 MeCe : It is very common jump on mess after a long flight. Every Time without exception there is mess at the gate. Some people waiting strollers, some trying
72 Post contains links TK787 : Latest results from TK: http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-fr...te/investor_relations/special/2013 16.04.2013 Traffic results for the period of January
73 TK105 : Today I had a day return trip as ESB-SAW-ESB. In the morning on TK and late afternoon return flight on Anadolujet, all operated by XQ. Compared to TK
74 JU068 : Does anyone know how much TK pays its pilots and cabin crew?
75 Post contains links NuD38 : This might give you a clue about senior pilot wages: "Pilots with Mr. Ennis's experience earn $230,000 a year and qualify for a pension of $10,000 a
76 stylo777 : Are TK 332/333/343 pilots certified to also operate the 330 freighter or are the pax and cargo ops/scheduling different?
77 JU068 : Wow... that's really good then! Thanks.
78 TurkishWings : I know a 330 pilot who does both pax and cargo...
79 NuD38 : I believe this is a bigger issue than just having 5*. My idea is that TK had a system issue which did not show the correct assignment. Switching from
80 YTZ : My takeaway from that is the biggest complaint happens when there is equipment change or when passengers change aircraft at transit. And to some exte
81 TK787 : I've done 8 CC segments in the last 11 months and seldom it is full or looks full. I would say an average of 60% load on my flights, mostly betweeen
82 ankaraflyjet : Removal of CC is a very wrong decision for TK. If they would have a consistent product throughout their fleet they would not take this decision. They
83 radiopolitic : My father flies TK CC YYZ-IST and back maybe 8 times a year and says its always 90% full at a minimum. I think the YYZ-IST sector is consistently full
84 SCQ83 : The new flight IST-SCQ-IST (3xw) starting in May is going to be merged with BIO (4xw) from W13 (IST-BIO-SCQ-BIO-IST) going daily.
85 vincewy : Maybe I missed the update but has this been officially announced yet (removal)? For the same reason I've been scrambling to rack up miles to get to E
86 LAXintl : Regarding CC bookings, remember TK has had a hard time finding the optimal price point for the cabin and has had to discount it compared to its origin
87 JU068 : Is this to reduce congestion at Istanbul or are these routes not performing as expected?
88 Northstar80 : Whenever I was in CC, it was packed. Either full or above 90%. My opinion about CC is that TK should reduce the number of seats, say, from 63 to 40, b
89 Northstar80 : It could also be that due to overbooking, economy passengers could be upgraded to CC.
90 LAXintl : And if you have the seats to move people to in CC class, it means you were not selling those CC seats to being with. That is the problem.
91 TK787 : From a business stand point, it makes much more sense to get rid of CC from 12 planes and go to a 2-class airline. And few years later to realize a s
92 umit : When I looked the management of TK on what they have done in last several years , their pros are more then cons. Therefore , whatever they decide it w
93 777way : TK have sponsored weather updates at a local private news channel here, its showing a TK aircraft flying between different destinations each marked wi
94 TK105 : Anybody has information about LH MUC-ESB and FRA-ESB flight statistics? I do not know if it is possible to get below information but any input will be
95 YTZ : How does that make sense? LH is considering Y+. Air Canada is dipping its toe in the water. British Airways, Virign, Air France, etc. all have great
96 TK787 : It doesn't. But TK is thinking about getting rid of CC 2-3 years after offering it. Trial-Error, changing world economy, other factors.... TK leased
97 Northstar80 : Agreed. One good thing about their solid business plan is that they have it almost in their entire fleet.
98 YTZ : I see poor planning or failure to anticipate their growth. One cannot, for example, imagine EK making such a mistake. They are leasing, simply becaus
99 ankaraflyjet : I can't agree more, well said. Very unprofessional approach to fleet and product planning. Yes, airlines can take advantage of last minute deals in a
100 TK787 : From personal experience I have seen people flying CC since they couldn't find J seats. Similarly I have seen people given CC seats (upgrades) since
101 YTZ : If the 9W AUD hub plan comes to fruition, TK won't be getting any 9W leased aircraft. Time for TK to start planning properly.
102 upwardfacing : TK Comfort Class is a great concept and great for passengers, but TK arguably made the cabin too large. I think the fundamental problem is that in mos
103 HB-IWC : The deal for a 2-year least of 3 B77W aircraft has been signed. I do not believe that 9W will be able to get out of that.
104 YTZ : This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of Y+. If this is true, then why is it that BA, AF, VS, etc. can make Y+ work? They fly to m
105 LAXintl : News out that atleast 4 parties will bid on the new airport tender. Reportedly TAV, Fraport, the Sabanci conglomerate, and a consortium of Turkish con
106 HB-IWC : In that respect, I believe we can all agree that the 28J vs 63W split had failure written all over it from the onset. I also believe that to give bot
107 YTZ : Again, that doesn't speak to eliminating the product. That speaks to re-aligning it. For example, I don't understand why TK didn't go 2-4-2 in CC or
108 Post contains images LAXintl : Reason they went with the 2-3-2 in J was that 77W cabin was so wide compared to the 330/340 so it not only looked strange with very wide aisles by ke
109 JU068 : Do you think the liberalization of the Israeli air travel might have an impact on Turkish carriers' presence in Tel Aviv?
110 LAXintl : Personally I think open-skies in Israel can be good for TK also. As fares drop, and market gets stimulated which could mean lots more people desiring
111 JU068 : Yes but the thing is that now we are probably going to see a lot of European airlines opening up new routes to Israel which will reduce the need for
112 LAXintl : I would not worry. Not only will the pie grown, but TK provides a whole lots of unique markets that wont be directly served even with new flights. An
113 HB-IWC : I hear you, but then TK should have gone with 2-4-2 for the W cabin and restrict it to 32 seats tops. Anyhow, I presume we will eventually see more J
114 JU068 : Yes but the lowcost carriers are not to be ignored, especially if airlines like Wizz Air, easyJet or Ryanair add flights. I should have specified whe
115 777way : Regarding proposed US customs and immigration cleareance at AUH, how will it affect TK?
116 SR4ever : Who knows, TK could be the 1st European airline to operate scheduled flights to VDA, as in AQJ and SSH...
117 TK787 : This is pretty cool. I didn't know this. Now you can get an e-visa to enter Turkey instead of waiting in line at the airport. https://www.evisa.gov.tr
118 Post contains images OA260 : Thats great . It will save the hassle of the visa desk .
119 9MMAR : Any news on the aircraft that will do the inaugural to KUL in a few hours time?
120 OA260 : TK have launched an overhaul of their iPhone App. Passbook BP now supported. New display and quicker access to bookings. iphone friendly seat maps So
121 YTZ : I can't see the impact being huge. I don't really think people will choose flights based on preclearance, especially for long-haul. Slight advantage.
122 Post contains links TK787 : TK to sponsor Borussia Dortmund soccer team for 3 years; http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-in...ip-with-germanys-borussia-dortmund
123 Post contains links TK787 : News about the 3rd Istanbul airport tender; http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/ekonomi/23130992.asp (in Turkish) This article says, the rules about who can en
124 Post contains links TK787 : TK flies to KUL and here is a pretty cool graphic; http://pinterest.com/pin/65443000807932914/
125 9MMAR : Some mistakes though: 1. South EAST Asia, not South West Asia. 2. GMT 8 instead of GMT 5. 3. The HIGHEST twin towers instead of the longest twin towe
126 Post contains images TK787 : Ha ha... Where is that "Like" button. Thanks. I will shoot an email to TK with these. Also, my wife suggests "Tallest" could be more appropriate than
127 9MMAR : Tallest would be most appropriate, I stand corrected LOL.
128 Post contains links tkfan : Everybody is cutting ATH frequencies, Turkish Airlines is increasing from 21 to 25 weekly, June 3rd http://www.turkishairlines.com/tr-tr.../haberler/2
129 OA260 : Good news. S7 will also introduce a new route ATH-DME from 27th April. Also IBERIA Express will offer ATH-MAD from 29th June. Transavia will increase
130 Post contains images LAXintl : Congrats to Pegasus Today was their IPO first trading date on the Istanbul Stock Exchange. They managed to raise 1.93 billion lira (USD 1.07bil) for a
131 tkfan : Wonderful news, but I thought more of the likes of Singapore, Thai, Emirates, Gulf. Its not only O&D, I guess Turkish Airlines is one of the main
132 OA260 : Daily EK , Double daily QR ,Daily EY there are plenty of connections East. GF have their own issues and couldn't make it work. Just like they said th
133 JU068 : Turkish Airlines is considering charging for alcohol on its Russian flights as the airline experienced problems with drunk passengers.
134 TK105 : This week I had a tour around North Europe. Here are some short notes: ESB-AMS on TK Flight was overbooked. Yet C was only one passenger and Y was com
135 ankaraflyjet : AMS ESB flights were started by KL in 1954 and KL operated the route since 1990. KL also operated 5th freedom rights until 70ies and did take pax fro
136 stylo777 : regarding ESB: been there this week as well and I'm still wondering how they could built such a big airport for so minimal traffic?!? from passenger p
137 TK105 : ESB was built according to 10M annual passenger capacity which in 2013 this target will be achieved. In this regard, with 15+ years operational perio
138 ankaraflyjet : Thank you for the explanation but you will get a lot of oppositon in this forum if you start talking about expansion of another airport in Turkey oth
139 mercure1 : This is a little like saying Lyon is the second biggest business market in France. But how many airlines serve Lyon compared to Paris ? When 90% of g
140 okapi : I'm afraid LYS is not the second premium city in France, NCE offers much more. However, TK flies to LYS twice a day though (TK1807/1809). Yet, LYS do
141 mercure1 : Note, I did not say premium, I said business. NCE is rather small'ish and different market itself, a unique more playboy lifestyle market. Not typica
142 LAXintl : This Ankara debate is a bit like the A.net threads about other smaller communities stuck in the shadow of a larger one. Regardless of it being the 2nd
143 leftyboarder : True, but still LYS, NCE, MAN, BHX, LED etc. secondary cities like ESB all get far more traffic from foreign airlines. TK has such a strong grip on E
144 LAXintl : In fairness those secondary cities are in the heart of Europe and connected easily and cheaply to nearby European hubs. Ankara is literally on anothe
145 Post contains images leftyboarder : That is what I hope for, once PC starts receiving their NEOs. Hopefully SAW won't be able to accommodate all of the fleet
146 Post contains links TK105 : Gentlemen, I think we are coming to a point but first lets not make some false assumptions, resulting to wrong conclusions. First lets take a look at
147 leftyboarder : EBL, VKO, AMS, BRU and MUC are already served as you've said. RUH, JED, BGW, DOH, DXB (I added that one), GYD (Baku) also make sense to the east - in
148 Post contains links TK105 : Here are some interesting facts and figures about ESB. First one is from 2011 and next one is from 2013. It shows how important is ESB traffic on IST
149 Post contains links TK787 : Please continue here: Turkish Aviation May 2013 (by TK787 Apr 30 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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