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BWI Traffic In March 2013  
User currently offlineSligo From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 148 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3164 times:

BWI wont release March stats for a few months.

Walking through BWI today people I talked to were talking about a steep drop in passengers in March; they claimed a *>25% drop* versus last March; after what they said were a very good January and February. BWI has already posted the January stats and the airline people were right; the D concourse was up 10% year over year for January.

What goes on in Concourse D of BWI where the legacies are is very different than A/B where WN/FL rule....but can anyone verify BWI's apparent >>25% drop in pax by the legacies in March?

Is sequestration driving the apparent sudden drop in March?

Perhaps a huge drop in capacity (beyond UA cutting the evening LAX run)?







[Edited 2013-04-01 17:45:53]

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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17777 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

Without even looking I would guess either WN/FL consolidation has reduced capacity at the airport, or fares went up $5 


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User currently offlinenutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 510 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

25% is a rather extreme number. Sequestration would really have no bearing on traffic, at least not immediately. As furlough days kick in during the summer/ fall, disposable income in areas with high concentrations of government employees will be impacted but this would be gradual.

Most airlines posted record load factors for February and I cant imagine that BWI would trend negatively in the current environment.



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User currently offlineSligo From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 2):
25% is a rather extreme number.

25% sure is an extreme number; 9/11-like...that's why it caught my attention.


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5501 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

At least in A/B (WN/FL) we were rocking. Only thing I can think of for any supposed drop in passengers would be the crappy weather around the country. During much of March, pesky nasty storms affected the northern portions of the USA. The Northeast really took it on the chin due to these weekly storms. Also Denver and the Mid West got hit. We were generally mild but, all those flights going in and out of airports affected by the weekly bombardment of storms caused massive delays and major cancellations which could have skewed the numbers. There were days where dozens of flights went into the cancellation bin. A 25% drop at BWI for this March? Personally I don't think so.


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User currently offlineSligo From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 4):
At least in A/B (WN/FL) we were rockin

Yes, right....

I was referring to the legacies.

Interesting that both DL and US have cited sequestration as hurting March revenue. The negative effect most have been most profound for the legacies at DCA/IAD/BWI.


User currently offlineAA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 605 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

I hate to be "that guy" but who is your source?

A 25% drop in traffic sounds rather extreme. Even if the sequestration did have some effects on DC-area travel, for legacies to lose a quarter of their traffic sounds almost unbelievable. Are we limiting it to airlines in D (UA, US, DL) or are we talking about airlines not in A/B (AA, B6, UA, US, DL)?

Further, with regards to the sequestration, I'm betting that federal government traffic ex-BWI is probably fairly minimal. It's a good 45 minute drive from downtown DC, and Reagan is probably the preferred domestic departure/arrival point. I'm not sure about the entire system, but the effects of sequestration on BWI traffic seem minimal at best.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2518 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Quoting AA94 (Reply 6):
Further, with regards to the sequestration, I'm betting that federal government traffic ex-BWI is probably fairly minimal. It's a good 45 minute drive from downtown DC, and Reagan is probably the preferred domestic departure/arrival point. I'm not sure about the entire system, but the effects of sequestration on BWI traffic seem minimal at best.

Sequestration hasn't fully kicked in and even once it does, the affects to DoD aren't likely to be as impactful as was originally anticipated. The federal government is in Q3 at the moment (travel tends to drop off just a bit before spiking in late summer ahead of the end of the fiscal year - you just *have to* spend that travel money lest it disappear from your budget next year. In other words, government traffic shouldn't have much of an impact (certainly not 25%) year over year unless someone is counting military charters in which case there probably has been a drop due to the end of OIF and draw down of OEF.

Incidentally, there are several large federal agencies that sit closer to BWI than, say, DCA, and certainly IAD. For what it's worth, a decent number of DCers actually do use BWI on a regular basis.

777fan



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User currently offlineSligo From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

Quoting AA94 (Reply 6):
A 25% drop in traffic sounds rather extreme.

It is extreme. That's why it caught my attention. The 25% they're referring to is versus last March, not versus Feb 2013.

If you look at Feb 12 traffic versus March traffic at BWI for the legacies, you'll see that usually traffic is up 30% month over month as the low period ends in Feb. So the people at BWI are basically saying they saw no bump at all from Feb to March.


User currently online727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6555 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):

Hello JETBLUE???????!!!!?!?



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineJeffB From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2026 times:

FWIW, I was @ BWI 3/25 to fly out of D concourse on DL and our flight + the other ATL bound flight were overbooked and they were asking for volunteers to take later flights. The Memphis and Detroit bound flights seemed to be under similar stresses.

If there really is a drop, could it have to do with lower numbers of troops coming through BWI on the way back from the Mid-East?


User currently offlineJOshu From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 157 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

As a VERY frequent spotter at BWI, things are pretty freaking good right now.
Your 25% is full of it.


User currently offlineSligo From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

Quoting JOshu (Reply 11):

As a VERY frequent spotter at BWI, things are pretty freaking good right now.
Your 25% is full of it.

Sorry...talked to some airline folks too last week. They all report flat-ish volume March vs February in concourse D...that's +/- 25% drop in the month over month comparsion versus that of last year. Again...last year ticked up 30% month over month from Feb to March in D.

Perhaps you didnt read the thread and/or ignored that this excludes WN/FL o that we're referring to the month over month increase Feb to March or BOTH?

I guess we'll see for sure when the numbers come out...but dont expect anything near last March on Concourse D.

[Edited 2013-04-11 09:49:45]

User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

Decreased Military traffic also did not help. Normally there are 30+ additional Military flights in March.
There were only about 7 this year. Weather didn't help either. Those couple of "we're gonna get it" storms
where everyone pulled down flying for a little rain didn't help one bit.



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