KFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10507 times:
I feel that Lion is quickly forgetting where PanAm was heading prior to its demise. AirAsia is still keeping the same level of focus and sensibility about its expansion after ten years, however Lion appears to be getting over-ambitious.
The opinions above are solely my own and do not express those of my employers or clients.
9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 833 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10021 times:
Too bad. Recently tried out JT SIN-CGK and was not impressed by the 29 inch pitch and overall lack of service. I wish it was other Indonesian carriers like SJ (Sriwijaya Air) that were growing this fast instead!
SCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 2175 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9979 times:
A bit off-topic, but does anyone know the plans for CGK?
In 2012, it was the 9th busiest airport in the world with 57M PAX. That's above DXB, FRA or HKG!! In 2008, it only had 32M PAX. If they keep this pace of rate, they would be among the Top 3-5 airports in the world in this decade.
india1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9965 times:
As I understood form the article, they already have 700 aircraft on order (incl SAs + turboprops), so we're talking about an addition of 300 more over the coming ten years.
The airline has a total of 700 planes on order, including turboprop aircraft.
“The plan A that we have is to put all these planes that we have ordered into operation,” Sirait said. “We also have plan B: if someone is keen to lease our planes of course we will do it.”
Not as fantastic as the headline seems, but I can't comment on their viability or the soundness of their business plans.
Mach92 From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7607 times:
As an American flying in Indonesia, I have to tell you the thought of Lion Air expanding is just down right scary. They already have the worst safety record here. They go off a runway about every 1-2 months. So far they have not killed anyone. They have wrecked hulls sitting all over. They have a pay F/O system in which you give Lion air 40-50K for a job. Problem is all these pilots are very low time. Then they stick them in shiny new 737-900ER's
Most of the runways here are not "grooved" so standing water and sliding down the runway is common. I can't for the life of me understand why this Country does not try to upgrade their aviation system. So it's certainly not all Lion Air's fault. Even Manado had no radar. My company forbids us to fly on Lion air for obvious reasons. They need to get their safety culture up to speed like Garuda. Stop hiring kids and hire experienced pilots.
bueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 760 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6895 times:
Quoting Mach92 (Reply 8): They have a pay F/O system in which you give Lion air 40-50K for a job
It's called pay to fly, it isn't only at Lion Air, and Lion Air don't even do it anymore.
Quoting Mach92 (Reply 8): Problem is all these pilots are very low time. Then they stick them in shiny new 737-900ER's
That's not really a problem. Low hour isn't an issue if the training is good.
Quoting Mach92 (Reply 8): Stop hiring kids and hire experienced pilots.
Again, not a safety issue. Ryanair hire almost exclusively very low hour pilots as their first airline job. They are one of the safest airlines in Europe. British Airways, Lufthansa, KLM, SWISS, Etihad, Cathay all hire "kids" with no airline time who have just completed training, and are some of the safest airlines in the world.
Lion Air may not be a beacon of safety but that is NOT because they hire low hour FOs.
cartenz From Indonesia, joined May 2007, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5014 times:
In my opinion, Lion Air is striving to be a better airline. I have not heard of any safety incidents lately. Talking to 40 pilots does not represent that the airline has a bad safety culture. Besides, why would you badmouth your own employer. There are so many airlines out there and these pilots could have just worked for other airlines.