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Lion Air Plans Venture With 1000 Planes  
User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1188 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 10811 times:

Bloomberg reports that Lion Air plans a venture with 1000 aircrafts within the next 10 years.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...tures-using-1-000-plane-fleet.html

I guess we can expect at least 2 more mega orders withing a few years from Lion Air if their plans materialises.
Good luck!

  

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User currently offlineflylonghaul From Australia, joined Feb 2010, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 10600 times:

Does anybody else think that this may be a little over ambitious. Unless, as stated there is a large demand for leased aircraft that they can benefit from?


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User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6957 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9984 times:

Checks the date.

No, it's not the 1st of April anymore.

What's going on ?



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User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9823 times:

I feel that Lion is quickly forgetting where PanAm was heading prior to its demise. AirAsia is still keeping the same level of focus and sensibility about its expansion after ten years, however Lion appears to be getting over-ambitious.


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User currently offlinewingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2344 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9616 times:

I ope for the sake of their investors that the venture has already been planned..

User currently offline9w748capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 627 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9337 times:

Too bad. Recently tried out JT SIN-CGK and was not impressed by the 29 inch pitch and overall lack of service. I wish it was other Indonesian carriers like SJ (Sriwijaya Air) that were growing this fast instead!

User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9295 times:

A bit off-topic, but does anyone know the plans for CGK?

In 2012, it was the 9th busiest airport in the world with 57M PAX. That's above DXB, FRA or HKG!! In 2008, it only had 32M PAX. If they keep this pace of rate, they would be among the Top 3-5 airports in the world in this decade.


User currently onlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9281 times:
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As I understood form the article, they already have 700 aircraft on order (incl SAs + turboprops), so we're talking about an addition of 300 more over the coming ten years.

The airline has a total of 700 planes on order, including turboprop aircraft.
“The plan A that we have is to put all these planes that we have ordered into operation,” Sirait said. “We also have plan B: if someone is keen to lease our planes of course we will do it.”

Not as fantastic as the headline seems, but I can't comment on their viability or the soundness of their business plans.


User currently offlineMach92 From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

As an American flying in Indonesia, I have to tell you the thought of Lion Air expanding is just down right scary. They already have the worst safety record here. They go off a runway about every 1-2 months. So far they have not killed anyone. They have wrecked hulls sitting all over. They have a pay F/O system in which you give Lion air 40-50K for a job. Problem is all these pilots are very low time. Then they stick them in shiny new 737-900ER's

Most of the runways here are not "grooved" so standing water and sliding down the runway is common. I can't for the life of me understand why this Country does not try to upgrade their aviation system. So it's certainly not all Lion Air's fault. Even Manado had no radar. My company forbids us to fly on Lion air for obvious reasons. They need to get their safety culture up to speed like Garuda. Stop hiring kids and hire experienced pilots.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6870 times:

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 3):
feel that Lion is quickly forgetting where PanAm was heading prior to its demise.

Pan Am was shrinking drastically, not expanding, for years before their final demise.


User currently onlinebueb0g From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2010, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6211 times:

Quoting Mach92 (Reply 8):
They have a pay F/O system in which you give Lion air 40-50K for a job

It's called pay to fly, it isn't only at Lion Air, and Lion Air don't even do it anymore.

Quoting Mach92 (Reply 8):
Problem is all these pilots are very low time. Then they stick them in shiny new 737-900ER's

That's not really a problem. Low hour isn't an issue if the training is good.

Quoting Mach92 (Reply 8):
Stop hiring kids and hire experienced pilots.

Again, not a safety issue. Ryanair hire almost exclusively very low hour pilots as their first airline job. They are one of the safest airlines in Europe. British Airways, Lufthansa, KLM, SWISS, Etihad, Cathay all hire "kids" with no airline time who have just completed training, and are some of the safest airlines in the world.

Lion Air may not be a beacon of safety but that is NOT because they hire low hour FOs.



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User currently offlineMach92 From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5831 times:

Lion Air is still hiring pilots pay to play.

Their training is bad.

They have no safety culture.

This is after talking to some 40+ Lion Air pilots.

Suggest you read up on Indonesia. Europe it is not.

[Edited 2013-04-02 16:42:21]

[Edited 2013-04-02 16:43:57]

User currently offlinecartenz From Indonesia, joined May 2007, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4330 times:

In my opinion, Lion Air is striving to be a better airline. I have not heard of any safety incidents lately. Talking to 40 pilots does not represent that the airline has a bad safety culture. Besides, why would you badmouth your own employer. There are so many airlines out there and these pilots could have just worked for other airlines.

User currently offline9VSIO From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 727 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2732 times:
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Quoting Mach92 (Reply 11):
This is after talking to some 40+ Lion Air pilots.

Did you talk to them personally? Or just through some online forum?



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