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Big Day For Kent's International Airport Today  
User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 809 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8121 times:

Today is an important day for Kent's International Airport - Manston, UK - as KLM inaugurates its new 2x/daily service from AMS, the only scheduled flights from the airport.

And much like familiar Ryanair claims, the new route has created 140 new jobs at Kent's International Airport.

http://www.manstonairport.com/news-and-events/new-klm-link.html
http://www.manstonairport.com/news-and-events/business-lounge.html
http://www.manstonairport.com/news-a...ts/manston-east-kent-priority.html
http://www.manstonairport.com/news-and-events/new-jobs.html
http://www.manstonairport.com/news-a...-events/klm-promotional-fares.html

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User currently offlineLX138 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2009, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7922 times:

Do we know how many people are on the inaugural services? Some KLM insider perhaps?


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7864 times:

Congrats to Kent International and I hope it does well for them.

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19188 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7830 times:

I'm looking forward to flying MSE-AMS later this month. It's about time I flew the F70. 


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7607 times:

140 extra staff to support an 80 seater flight twice a day ? Wow - hope this service does well if only for their livelyhood's sake.

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11611 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7538 times:

Advance bookings are 'good' - well I hope that's not just being polite for the marketing launch.

Quoting factsonly (Thread starter):
And much like familiar Ryanair claims, the new route has created 140 new jobs at Kent's International Airport.

That's not actually what it says:

Quote:

The East Kent economy has received a welcome jobs boost with the recruitment of 42 new members of staff at Manston Airport.

The recruits will ensure the smooth operation of the imminent KLM twice daily return flights from Manston to Schiphol, Amsterdam. The total of new employees is 14 more than the airport announced when the new service was launched in November, bringing the total number of staff at Manston to almost 140.

Dan  



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User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 809 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7432 times:

From KentOnLine News:

''The new service has created 42 airport jobs and around 5,000 tickets have been sold so far.''

That's over 62x full 80-seater flights. While operations call for 56x return flights (2 daily = 112xsectors) in April 2013.

So if these bookings were mostly short-term KLM would approach a 50% loadfactor. Reality is, that loadfactor is probably a little lower, as bookings will also be for further out.

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/thanet_e.../2013/april/2/manston_flights.aspx


User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 809 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7385 times:

Forgot to mention that this brings Delta, Alitalia and Air France to Manston as well:

- dep. 09:15 AMS to Manston AZ 3750 Alitalia
- dep. 09:15 AMS to Manston AF 8288 Air France
- dep. 09:15 AMS to Manston DL 9407 Delta Air Lines
- dep. 09:15 AMS to Manston KL 1519 KLM Royal Dutch Airlines

- dep. 20:50 AMS to Manston AZ 3754 Alitalia
- dep. 20:50 AMS to Manston KL 1523 KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
- dep. 20:50 AMS to Manston AF 8290 Air France

- dep. 12:45 Manston to AMS KL 1520 KLM Royal Dutch Airlines
- dep. 12:45 Manston to AMS AZ 3753 Alitalia
- dep. 12:45 Manston to AMS AF 8237 Air France

Though Delta.com doesn't recognise any airport called Manston.


User currently offlinesierra3tango From United Arab Emirates, joined Mar 2013, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7326 times:

What the sector distance, and the flight time ?

Would have thought the aircraft doesn't cruise just goes up and then down

Maybe a steam catapult (ie like on an aircraft carrier) would get a F70 half way there!

Must be one of the shortest (jet) sector lengths anywhere

Anyway hope it flourishes


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19188 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7279 times:

Quoting sierra3tango (Reply 8):
What the sector distance, and the flight time ?

As the crow flies, it is 161mi (140nm) with a block time - flight time, taxi time at both ends, and time for short delays - of 55 minutes.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineb2319 From China, joined Jan 2013, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7247 times:

Quoting sierra3tango (Reply 8):
Must be one of the shortest (jet) sector lengths anywhere

My shortest jet (A320) has been NGB to SHA at 91 mi compared to 161 mi for MSE to AMS; however the high speed rail has taken my flight away.

I'm sure there must be jet flights in the USA at around 50 mi, though, e.g. in California?

Regards

B-2319


User currently offlinesierra3tango From United Arab Emirates, joined Mar 2013, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7247 times:

Presumably it has to carry enough fuel for a 45 minute hold and whatever for diversions.

Must be a relatively high 'cost per mile' operation


User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 834 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

Is this airport to be considered "London metro area"? (like SEN, STN or LTN are).

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11611 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7180 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 9):
As the crow flies, it is 161mi (140nm) with a block time - flight time, taxi time at both ends, and time for short delays - of 55 minutes.

I'ts conceivable that you will have a longer taxi at AMS than the flight will be.

Quoting factsonly (Reply 6):
''The new service has created 42 airport jobs and around 5,000 tickets have been sold so far.''

Is that tickets or seats? Big difference.


Dan  



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19188 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7141 times:

Quoting sierra3tango (Reply 11):
Must be a relatively high 'cost per mile' operation

Yep. The decline in unit cost (CASM) as sector length increases is a fundamental part of airline economics. On short sectors, CASM will always be higher from a lack of output (ASMs) over which to spread the costs and vice-versa on longer sectors (until payload has to be sacrificed). (Of course, trip, or sector, cost is the opposite.) Then again, RASM (revenue per available seat mile) is also distance-based, so appears higher on shorter sectors and vice-versa on longer sectors from the amount of output generated. Yield (effectively revenue per passenger per mile, so traffic, calculated as revenue / revenue passenger miles (RPMs), with RPMs calculated as sector distance x number of fare-paying passengers), is also distance-based and so ordinarily reduces as sector length increases.

[Edited 2013-04-02 08:47:30]


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 809 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7096 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 12):
Is that tickets or seats? Big difference.

Well only KLM will know, if they are all long-haul tickets to NRT, KIX, FUK, MEX, PEK, PVG, XMN, HGH, etc...or not!

Though I guess there will be quite a number to OSL, ARN, HEL, CPH, BER, FRA, FCO, LIN, ZRH, etc....as day-returns are possible to these destinations.

And......possibly even GLA, EDI, ABZ, NCL.....day-return as well??


User currently offlineRichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 718 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7035 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 12):
Is this airport to be considered "London metro area"? (like SEN, STN or LTN are).


Not really, Manston doesn't call it's self London Manston and London is 70 miles away.

People do live in this part of Kent and travel to and from London everyday for work. So London's not that far away. However I wouldn't think many people would fly here when they want to go to London.

Alex


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6977 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 12):
Is this airport to be considered "London metro area"? (like SEN, STN or LTN are).

No I doubt it could ever market itself as a London airport. It would be pushing it to say the least. It does have a very good catchment area though.


User currently offlineLofty From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6657 times:

How big is the runway at Manston? I heard that it might be a big day for another reason this year.

User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6605 times:

Good luck to KLM and MSE!

I'd love to try this route at some point, but probably only on a connecting route


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19188 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6583 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 19):
I'd love to try this route at some point, but probably only on a connecting route

They offer one-way flights from less than £40 all-in on the route (and others on UK-AMS but oddly not AMS-UK or any others yet).

Quoting Lofty (Reply 18):
How big is the runway at Manston?

9,016ft and 200ft.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 13):
I'ts conceivable that you will have a longer taxi at AMS than the flight will be.

Yep. Had a 20-minute taxi at AMS before (M11 to CAI).



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently onlineRJA321 From Jordan, joined Mar 2009, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

The start of this route might be beneficial for some international University of Kent students who could connect via Amsterdam to fly back home rather than take a two hour train/cab ride to Heathrow.


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User currently offlineCaptCufflinks From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

Quoting RJA321 (Reply 21):
The start of this route might be beneficial for some international University of Kent students who could connect via Amsterdam to fly back home rather than take a two hour train/cab ride to Heathrow.

Possibly - the University of Kent and the others around Canterbury do have a large foreign (mainly Asian) student base.

The trouble is that London isn't that far away (in terms of traveling time) owing to HS1. Heathrow and Gatwick are very easy to get to and there are very good connections To Stanstead and on to Luton as well.

I was amazed at how well 'the garden' is connected!


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