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User currently offlinealexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1155 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12014 times:

http://www.portseattle.org/Business/...cts/Pages/Airline-Realignment.aspx

I'm confused and need some help please. It all starts in May, should be fun.

So UA goes to "A", widebody gate? CRJ/EMB gate? UA alone at "A"?

AA and B6 at "D" alone? Where does US fit in? "A" or "D"?

DL is still the big question. You move HA to "S", what does DL do with lack of space for what they have now and what is planned? Use "D"?

Thanks!!


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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3148 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11742 times:

Quoting alexinwa (Thread starter):
So UA goes to "A", widebody gate?

Yes, HA has been using "A" so it has several widebody gates. Also, DL has had 767s in there.

I know AS is going to redo the "N" concourse so it will be even nicer, but I'm not personally in favor of AS using "N" (the SEA carrier I fly by far the most). I hate being dependent on the subway to get in and out of there. Personally, I like to be able to get to/from my gate with my own two feet. Even at DFW I always walk between the different concourses. For example, one time I had just gotten off an AS flight in "N" and the subway broke down for awhile. It was just an inconvenience and delay, but would have been a concern if I'd had a tight connection to another concourse.


User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6854 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11672 times:

This will also be one of the final domestic airports that UA/CO get co-located at...it's taken that long given the airport moves, etc.

User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2557 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11589 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 1):
I know AS is going to redo the "N" concourse so it will be even nicer, but I'm not personally in favor of AS using "N" (the SEA carrier I fly by far the most). I hate being dependent on the subway to get in and out of there.

I agree with you there - hope most of my AS flights use the C concourse. Lord know N needs a re-modeling so that at least will make the trip out there a little less painful once it's done.

Quoting alexinwa (Thread starter):
You move HA to "S

Poor HA - they've always been the "red-headed stepchild" here. They've been at S before as well as another concourse (B or D I think) and currently A.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 11285 times:

Well, as a dedicated UA flyer who migrated from CO, my flights often arrive at N, while my connection often departs from B. So I am VERY MUCH looking forward to uniting United at A.
Can't happen soon enough!
Especially during Thanksgiving, when the Train station at B was closed, and flight 1603 has a change of equipment on a 40 minute turn. NOT COOL.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 11267 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 2):
This will also be one of the final domestic airports that UA/CO get co-located at...it's taken that long given the airport moves, etc.

That honor either belongs to BOS or ATL.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 4):
Well, as a dedicated UA flyer who migrated from CO, my flights often arrive at N, while my connection often departs from B. So I am VERY MUCH looking forward to uniting United at A

Flew EWR-SEA on a sCO 738 Summer of 2011, our flight arrived in the N concourse, the aircraft was continuing on to DEN IIRC. We flew home from the B concourse. The A concourse looked nice, better than B or N, so it will be an improvement and it's conveinent to the security check points.



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User currently offlineskyymarc From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11147 times:

I worked at SeaTac for a few years in the 90s. So much has changed since then. I was amazed with the central terminal transformation when I passed through last year. Does anyone know of plans to realign the ticket counters as well. UA's current spot would make for long walks.

Thanks for the info.


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11057 times:

The month of May cannot come soon enough for me. Did IAH-SEA on UA sCO last week, inbound to "N" and came out of "B". I much prefer B gates since no ride on the underground. This move for UA will also get rid of the old tiny UA Clubs in B & N presenting a nice an opportunity for a new UA Club in SEA.


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User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10817 times:
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I get a kick out of how article states this is necessary to align ticket counters with gates to allow baggage to transfer to new gates. Lol, I guess they don't realize that the basic cart can take from any belt to any gate lol.
I have been working at SEA for 2 1/2 years now and be nice to see UA go to the same concourse. AC has been at B15 ( and B11) for this last month, so it is good to see something different at B's end.

Queried above, HA was in the B gates before current location.



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User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10678 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 3):
Poor HA - they've always been the "red-headed stepchild" here. They've been at S before as well as another concourse (B or D I think) and currently A.

US Airways has also moved a lot over the last 10 years or so: from A to S to N and back to A. American was also on A before this realignment...it would have been an easy co-locate with the merger, now they'll end up on D.


User currently offlineTW870 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10649 times:
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Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 1):
Yes, HA has been using "A" so it has several widebody gates. Also, DL has had 767s in there.

If I am correct in my recollection TW also used to RON L1011s at A, usually operating the SEA-JFK during periods when it wouldn't continue to PDX. I know the facilities have been re-done since then, but widebodies have long been parked at A.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3148 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10647 times:

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 9):
American was also on A before this realignment...it would have been an easy co-locate with the merger, now they'll end up on D.

Remember that AA was on C concourse until several years ago too, so they'll have moved twice in about 7 or so years. They had a few gates at the end of C and AS had the rest.


User currently offlinealexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10542 times:

I get HA moving to "S" due to the widebody gates, plus the timing works well for the HA flights.

I guess the question still remains.......what will UA use for widebody and commuter at "A"?

A13/A14 I think can handle the T7? DL only had a 767 at the "A" gates.

And still will UA have "A" all to itself?



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3679 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10396 times:

I don't understand why HA is moving to S when they could have moved back to B, or is DL doing the ground handling for them?

Is UA taking over the previous AA Club? to make it a UA Club?



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User currently offlineasqx From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 615 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10294 times:

Quoting alexinwa (Reply 12):
A13/A14 I think can handle the T7? DL only had a 767 at the "A" gates.

When DL was in A, we could handle a 777, A340, or 747 at A12. Doing so meant that A13 was unusable as the parking line for planes of this size was located between the gates. When I lived in Seattle we still handled China Airlines and on the nights when they operated to TPE it meant lots of aircraft towing at the end of the night. Usually we had to have planes arrive in S then get towed over at the end of the night. Also, given the ATL, JFK, and CVG red-eyes we had at the time it meants for some interesting nights with aircraft movements. We could also handle RJs at most of the gates, though I only remember doing SkyWest out of A10 or A11, but I think other gates could handle them as well.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10188 times:

How will arrivals/departures work for UA's NRT service?
Can they arrive at A and send pax through CBP, or will they have to arrive at N or S and then tow the plane over to A?


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10178 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 15):
Can they arrive at A and send pax through CBP, or will they have to arrive at N or S and then tow the plane over to A?

They have to arrive at S as they currently do. N doesn't have an FIS facility.



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User currently offlinedeltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10109 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 16):
They have to arrive at S as they currently do. N doesn't have an FIS facility.

If anything, moving from N to A means a shorter tow from the arrival at S for that flight.


User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3679 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10101 times:

Which gates at S can handle international arrivals?


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User currently offlinesuperdash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9039 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 18):
Which gates at S can handle international arrivals?

All except for S5 and 6.

Quoting asqx (Reply 14):
When DL was in A, we could handle a 777, A340, or 747 at A12.

Lufthansa used A13 this summer and I have actually seen a Delta A330 on that gate as well. The gates have been lined for UA equipment out there and my guess is that CRJs will get jetways. They could tuck the Brasillias back on A14

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 9):
US Airways has also moved a lot over the last 10 years or so: from A to S to N and back to A. American was also on A before this realignment...it would have been an easy co-locate with the merger, now they'll end up on D.

Note that the Port did yet another wonderful "whiff" job when doing the ticket counters. My guess is that AA/US would end up on D, but A1-5 might work too. If you have seen the AA counter, you will notice that JetBlue and Frontier are right next to them followed by.....vacant ticket counter space. REALLY Sea-Tac, couldn't think that one through to put the blank space between AA and the F9/B6 counters! So, AA will likely move again to where UA is now.

Delta's ticket counter is fully under construction. Delta and United will be next to each other. That will be a crowded place around noon time.


User currently offlineamwest2united From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8865 times:
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Quoting slider (Reply 2):
This will also be one of the final domestic airports that UA/CO get co-located at...it's taken that long given the airport moves, etc.

Interesting comment, sUA and sCO have been merged into one for over 14 months, B rarely gets used except for start=up flights and of course AC now.

Quoting alexinwa (Reply 12):
I guess the question still remains.......what will UA use for widebody and commuter at "A"?

A13/A14 I think can handle the T7? DL only had a 767 at the "A" gates.

And still will UA have "A" all to itself?

Widebody gate (A12) , although A11 and A9 can be as well

Commuter, intresting that this word is still used - Express operation will be on A6, alongside AC YVR fligths

US is will remain on A for the time being, A1/A2/A3 - Port gate A4/A13(Widebody) - UA/AC gates A5/A6/A7/A8/A9/A10/A11/A12/A14



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User currently offlineSocalApproach From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6102 times:

Quoting skyymarc (Reply 6):
Does anyone know of plans to realign the ticket counters as well. UA's current spot would make for long walks.

Its already under way. Was just out there last week and B6/F9 and I believe AA have all moved and the old space is now all covered and under construction clearly for UA to move there and be right in front of the A gates next to the common use airline ticket counters. I believe Iceland Air, Sun Country, ANA, and Condor will be their immediate neighbors. There is a breeze way at the end of the counter to head to security and on the other side all the international airline counters are located there ie BA/HA etc...

Quoting amwest2united (Reply 20):
US is will remain on A for the time being, A1/A2/A3 - Port gate A4/A13(Widebody) - UA/AC gates A5/A6/A7/A8/A9/A10/A11/A12/A14

   I have always been told that US will remain in A with UA however since the merger I expect that to change.


User currently offlinebaw716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5998 times:

This makes some sense when you think about it.

Moving AS out of D and into N will give them full access to the subway to transit passengers between their flights on the outer C and N gates and funnel connecting traffic to DL on the S satellite and AA on the D concourse. While getting from the S to the N requires two train transfers, it is a far better option than walking it...which would be brutal.

Moving UA to A moves them closer to their current Star Alliance partner (US Airways) and will give them additional gate space when US Airways and AA merge sometime in 2014 (?)..which means US will go over to D as AA once the move out of Star Alliance is made.

I would therefore expect all outbound international Star Alliance flights to get moved over to A once the moves are complete; it will open outbound gate space on the S terminal which is needed for growth (the FIS there is a mess already) and give Star Alliance a fighting chance at connecting at least some of their passengers through Seattle...especially from Houston and Denver.

As for everyone else being on B...well, they have to put them somewhere...and there would be plenty of space there once CO moves over to accommodate Virgin America, Frontier, Southwest and the other independent operators out of SEA.

Now, if they just could get a bigger FIS facility. It's been a holy mess for decades.

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User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5736 times:
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Quoting TW870 (Reply 10):
If I am correct in my recollection TW also used to RON L1011s at A, usually operating the SEA-JFK during periods when it wouldn't continue to PDX. I know the facilities have been re-done since then, but widebodies have long been parked at A.

That was in the old A concourse. Things have been torn down and built up since the time of TW 1011s (or TW as a whole, for that matter).



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User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5665 times:

Ok, probably dumb question on my part, but is AS going to move or have a new Boardroom in N when all is said and done?

25 HAL : I believe the B gates aren't wide enough to handle the A330's which will begin service to SEA next year. HAL
26 SocalApproach : It was probably proposed that the walk to the B concourse is probably a little too far from the south end of the airport. Remember HA isnt moving tic
27 HiFlyerAS : AS will be building a new Board Room at the N gates. It will NOT be located at the current UA Red Carpet lounge in the basement. Plan I believe is to
28 cslusarc : I don't understand why a lot of American airports like SEA prefer to have their international gates and FIS facilities in satellite terminals that don
29 HiFlyerAS : SEA wasn't much of an international gateway until the last 20 years so the exisiting facility when opened in 1973 was adequate to the need. You had S
30 cschleic : The current location would seem kind of odd if they're vacating all D gates, but who knows. But, yes, the new one would have to be large to accommoda
31 Post contains images BACCALA : Seattle-Tacoma International Airport the gate moves will occur in May 2013.
32 Hamlet69 : I know this may be premature, but I'm gonna ask anyway - does anyone know specifically who's moving where (I.e. specific gates)? Thanks Hamlet69
33 AS739BSI : I hope people do realize that connecting from N to S is not a cake walk. You have to take not one, not two, but three trains. One to get into the main
34 ORDBOSEWR : BOS is not even close to co-located. It will be sometime next calendar year, that is if massport does not change the plan because of the US/AA merger
35 HiFlyerAS : The D gates are all becoming common-use. AS will still be using some every day, especially during the major remodel of the N gates. Taking the three
36 BoeingGuy : How often does one transfer between S and N? I can only think of a few scenarios. One would be arriving from YYJ or YLW a S and transferring to an AS
37 superdash : And connecting to/from any Delta flight (and there are a lot of people that do that). Even the Horizon gates to/from Delta is a long trek.
38 HiFlyerAS : I've worked at SeaTac since 1981 and can only recall the train breaking down on me once. The airlines wouldn't stand for an unreliable system. There
39 BoeingGuy : The N train broke down on me last year. These are common comments by many about many airports. For me personally, I don't care so much about the "exp
40 dlednicer : I personally hate the A concourse. Three years ago, I missed a flight because of delays at security and then the long run to the end of the A concours
41 BoeingGuy : If you missed your flight at A concourse you think you would have gotten it at N if you were late arriving at the airport?
42 chrisair : Because some of us like walking and like getting exercise. I'd rather walk than take the train any day... How would it help from the end of the B gat
43 mtnwest1979 : Yes there is. Escalators down are right between B12 and B11. Centrally located at end of B.
44 chrisair : That must have reopened within the last year. Last time I was down there in May 2012, the stairs were still blocked off. Thanks for the update!
45 dlednicer : I'll have to clock it some day. My impression is that I can get from security to the N gates faster than I can walk/run to the end of the A concourse
46 asqx : The south check point is roughly located across from gate A3. According to Google Earth's line tool and assuming a start from the A3 jetway to the end
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