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User currently offlinealexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1152 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12005 times:

http://www.portseattle.org/Business/...cts/Pages/Airline-Realignment.aspx

I'm confused and need some help please. It all starts in May, should be fun.

So UA goes to "A", widebody gate? CRJ/EMB gate? UA alone at "A"?

AA and B6 at "D" alone? Where does US fit in? "A" or "D"?

DL is still the big question. You move HA to "S", what does DL do with lack of space for what they have now and what is planned? Use "D"?

Thanks!!


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User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3099 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11733 times:

Quoting alexinwa (Thread starter):
So UA goes to "A", widebody gate?

Yes, HA has been using "A" so it has several widebody gates. Also, DL has had 767s in there.

I know AS is going to redo the "N" concourse so it will be even nicer, but I'm not personally in favor of AS using "N" (the SEA carrier I fly by far the most). I hate being dependent on the subway to get in and out of there. Personally, I like to be able to get to/from my gate with my own two feet. Even at DFW I always walk between the different concourses. For example, one time I had just gotten off an AS flight in "N" and the subway broke down for awhile. It was just an inconvenience and delay, but would have been a concern if I'd had a tight connection to another concourse.


User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6825 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11663 times:

This will also be one of the final domestic airports that UA/CO get co-located at...it's taken that long given the airport moves, etc.

User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2536 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11580 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 1):
I know AS is going to redo the "N" concourse so it will be even nicer, but I'm not personally in favor of AS using "N" (the SEA carrier I fly by far the most). I hate being dependent on the subway to get in and out of there.

I agree with you there - hope most of my AS flights use the C concourse. Lord know N needs a re-modeling so that at least will make the trip out there a little less painful once it's done.

Quoting alexinwa (Thread starter):
You move HA to "S

Poor HA - they've always been the "red-headed stepchild" here. They've been at S before as well as another concourse (B or D I think) and currently A.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5849 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11276 times:

Well, as a dedicated UA flyer who migrated from CO, my flights often arrive at N, while my connection often departs from B. So I am VERY MUCH looking forward to uniting United at A.
Can't happen soon enough!
Especially during Thanksgiving, when the Train station at B was closed, and flight 1603 has a change of equipment on a 40 minute turn. NOT COOL.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16878 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11258 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 2):
This will also be one of the final domestic airports that UA/CO get co-located at...it's taken that long given the airport moves, etc.

That honor either belongs to BOS or ATL.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 4):
Well, as a dedicated UA flyer who migrated from CO, my flights often arrive at N, while my connection often departs from B. So I am VERY MUCH looking forward to uniting United at A

Flew EWR-SEA on a sCO 738 Summer of 2011, our flight arrived in the N concourse, the aircraft was continuing on to DEN IIRC. We flew home from the B concourse. The A concourse looked nice, better than B or N, so it will be an improvement and it's conveinent to the security check points.



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User currently offlineskyymarc From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11138 times:

I worked at SeaTac for a few years in the 90s. So much has changed since then. I was amazed with the central terminal transformation when I passed through last year. Does anyone know of plans to realign the ticket counters as well. UA's current spot would make for long walks.

Thanks for the info.


User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11048 times:

The month of May cannot come soon enough for me. Did IAH-SEA on UA sCO last week, inbound to "N" and came out of "B". I much prefer B gates since no ride on the underground. This move for UA will also get rid of the old tiny UA Clubs in B & N presenting a nice an opportunity for a new UA Club in SEA.


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User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2464 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10808 times:
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I get a kick out of how article states this is necessary to align ticket counters with gates to allow baggage to transfer to new gates. Lol, I guess they don't realize that the basic cart can take from any belt to any gate lol.
I have been working at SEA for 2 1/2 years now and be nice to see UA go to the same concourse. AC has been at B15 ( and B11) for this last month, so it is good to see something different at B's end.

Queried above, HA was in the B gates before current location.



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User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10669 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 3):
Poor HA - they've always been the "red-headed stepchild" here. They've been at S before as well as another concourse (B or D I think) and currently A.

US Airways has also moved a lot over the last 10 years or so: from A to S to N and back to A. American was also on A before this realignment...it would have been an easy co-locate with the merger, now they'll end up on D.


User currently offlineTW870 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 251 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10640 times:
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Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 1):
Yes, HA has been using "A" so it has several widebody gates. Also, DL has had 767s in there.

If I am correct in my recollection TW also used to RON L1011s at A, usually operating the SEA-JFK during periods when it wouldn't continue to PDX. I know the facilities have been re-done since then, but widebodies have long been parked at A.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3099 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10638 times:

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 9):
American was also on A before this realignment...it would have been an easy co-locate with the merger, now they'll end up on D.

Remember that AA was on C concourse until several years ago too, so they'll have moved twice in about 7 or so years. They had a few gates at the end of C and AS had the rest.


User currently offlinealexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10533 times:

I get HA moving to "S" due to the widebody gates, plus the timing works well for the HA flights.

I guess the question still remains.......what will UA use for widebody and commuter at "A"?

A13/A14 I think can handle the T7? DL only had a 767 at the "A" gates.

And still will UA have "A" all to itself?



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3675 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10387 times:

I don't understand why HA is moving to S when they could have moved back to B, or is DL doing the ground handling for them?

Is UA taking over the previous AA Club? to make it a UA Club?



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User currently offlineasqx From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 615 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10285 times:

Quoting alexinwa (Reply 12):
A13/A14 I think can handle the T7? DL only had a 767 at the "A" gates.

When DL was in A, we could handle a 777, A340, or 747 at A12. Doing so meant that A13 was unusable as the parking line for planes of this size was located between the gates. When I lived in Seattle we still handled China Airlines and on the nights when they operated to TPE it meant lots of aircraft towing at the end of the night. Usually we had to have planes arrive in S then get towed over at the end of the night. Also, given the ATL, JFK, and CVG red-eyes we had at the time it meants for some interesting nights with aircraft movements. We could also handle RJs at most of the gates, though I only remember doing SkyWest out of A10 or A11, but I think other gates could handle them as well.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5849 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10179 times:

How will arrivals/departures work for UA's NRT service?
Can they arrive at A and send pax through CBP, or will they have to arrive at N or S and then tow the plane over to A?


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10169 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 15):
Can they arrive at A and send pax through CBP, or will they have to arrive at N or S and then tow the plane over to A?

They have to arrive at S as they currently do. N doesn't have an FIS facility.



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User currently offlinedeltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8903 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10100 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 16):
They have to arrive at S as they currently do. N doesn't have an FIS facility.

If anything, moving from N to A means a shorter tow from the arrival at S for that flight.


User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3675 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10092 times:

Which gates at S can handle international arrivals?


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User currently offlinesuperdash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9030 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 18):
Which gates at S can handle international arrivals?

All except for S5 and 6.

Quoting asqx (Reply 14):
When DL was in A, we could handle a 777, A340, or 747 at A12.

Lufthansa used A13 this summer and I have actually seen a Delta A330 on that gate as well. The gates have been lined for UA equipment out there and my guess is that CRJs will get jetways. They could tuck the Brasillias back on A14

Quoting USAIRWAYS321 (Reply 9):
US Airways has also moved a lot over the last 10 years or so: from A to S to N and back to A. American was also on A before this realignment...it would have been an easy co-locate with the merger, now they'll end up on D.

Note that the Port did yet another wonderful "whiff" job when doing the ticket counters. My guess is that AA/US would end up on D, but A1-5 might work too. If you have seen the AA counter, you will notice that JetBlue and Frontier are right next to them followed by.....vacant ticket counter space. REALLY Sea-Tac, couldn't think that one through to put the blank space between AA and the F9/B6 counters! So, AA will likely move again to where UA is now.

Delta's ticket counter is fully under construction. Delta and United will be next to each other. That will be a crowded place around noon time.


User currently offlineamwest2united From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 8856 times:
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Quoting slider (Reply 2):
This will also be one of the final domestic airports that UA/CO get co-located at...it's taken that long given the airport moves, etc.

Interesting comment, sUA and sCO have been merged into one for over 14 months, B rarely gets used except for start=up flights and of course AC now.

Quoting alexinwa (Reply 12):
I guess the question still remains.......what will UA use for widebody and commuter at "A"?

A13/A14 I think can handle the T7? DL only had a 767 at the "A" gates.

And still will UA have "A" all to itself?

Widebody gate (A12) , although A11 and A9 can be as well

Commuter, intresting that this word is still used - Express operation will be on A6, alongside AC YVR fligths

US is will remain on A for the time being, A1/A2/A3 - Port gate A4/A13(Widebody) - UA/AC gates A5/A6/A7/A8/A9/A10/A11/A12/A14



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User currently offlineSocalApproach From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days ago) and read 6093 times:

Quoting skyymarc (Reply 6):
Does anyone know of plans to realign the ticket counters as well. UA's current spot would make for long walks.

Its already under way. Was just out there last week and B6/F9 and I believe AA have all moved and the old space is now all covered and under construction clearly for UA to move there and be right in front of the A gates next to the common use airline ticket counters. I believe Iceland Air, Sun Country, ANA, and Condor will be their immediate neighbors. There is a breeze way at the end of the counter to head to security and on the other side all the international airline counters are located there ie BA/HA etc...

Quoting amwest2united (Reply 20):
US is will remain on A for the time being, A1/A2/A3 - Port gate A4/A13(Widebody) - UA/AC gates A5/A6/A7/A8/A9/A10/A11/A12/A14

   I have always been told that US will remain in A with UA however since the merger I expect that to change.


User currently offlinebaw716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days ago) and read 5989 times:

This makes some sense when you think about it.

Moving AS out of D and into N will give them full access to the subway to transit passengers between their flights on the outer C and N gates and funnel connecting traffic to DL on the S satellite and AA on the D concourse. While getting from the S to the N requires two train transfers, it is a far better option than walking it...which would be brutal.

Moving UA to A moves them closer to their current Star Alliance partner (US Airways) and will give them additional gate space when US Airways and AA merge sometime in 2014 (?)..which means US will go over to D as AA once the move out of Star Alliance is made.

I would therefore expect all outbound international Star Alliance flights to get moved over to A once the moves are complete; it will open outbound gate space on the S terminal which is needed for growth (the FIS there is a mess already) and give Star Alliance a fighting chance at connecting at least some of their passengers through Seattle...especially from Houston and Denver.

As for everyone else being on B...well, they have to put them somewhere...and there would be plenty of space there once CO moves over to accommodate Virgin America, Frontier, Southwest and the other independent operators out of SEA.

Now, if they just could get a bigger FIS facility. It's been a holy mess for decades.

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User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2464 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5727 times:
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Quoting TW870 (Reply 10):
If I am correct in my recollection TW also used to RON L1011s at A, usually operating the SEA-JFK during periods when it wouldn't continue to PDX. I know the facilities have been re-done since then, but widebodies have long been parked at A.

That was in the old A concourse. Things have been torn down and built up since the time of TW 1011s (or TW as a whole, for that matter).



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User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5656 times:

Ok, probably dumb question on my part, but is AS going to move or have a new Boardroom in N when all is said and done?

User currently offlineHAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2561 posts, RR: 53
Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5816 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 13):
I don't understand why HA is moving to S when they could have moved back to B, or is DL doing the ground handling for them?

I believe the B gates aren't wide enough to handle the A330's which will begin service to SEA next year.

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User currently offlineSocalApproach From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5719 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 13):
I don't understand why HA is moving to S when they could have moved back to B, or is DL doing the ground handling for them?

It was probably proposed that the walk to the B concourse is probably a little too far from the south end of the airport. Remember HA isnt moving ticket counters so they will keep the common use ones with all the international airlines that also fly out of the S gates. Besides it would be interesting to see HA have to deal with 767s flooding the B gates because one gets cancelled when you will have WN/FL/F9/VX over there. In the summer VX ups its SEA operations and they already need 2 gates in the morning for the SFO/LAX departures and they will need probably 2 gates daily throughout the day with the GDP's in SFO. Better to just put HA in S and call it a day. I personally feel HA only needs one gate anyways and they can tow the next aircraft over after the first one departs. I believe Menzies does the Ground Handling

[Edited 2013-04-03 12:02:58]

User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 973 posts, RR: 2
Reply 27, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5583 times:

Quoting cschleic (Reply 24):
Ok, probably dumb question on my part, but is AS going to move or have a new Boardroom in N when all is said and done?

AS will be building a new Board Room at the N gates. It will NOT be located at the current UA Red Carpet lounge in the basement. Plan I believe is to build up...ala the DL Sky Club at the S gates located on the roof. I wonder if AS will maintain a club in the current location AND at the N gates. Here's hoping...the current space is packed to the brim.


User currently offlinecslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5256 times:

I don't understand why a lot of American airports like SEA prefer to have their international gates and FIS facilities in satellite terminals that don't directly connect to the landside part of the air terminal.


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User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 973 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5100 times:

Quoting cslusarc (Reply 28):
I don't understand why a lot of American airports like SEA prefer to have their international gates and FIS facilities in satellite terminals that don't directly connect to the landside part of the air terminal.

SEA wasn't much of an international gateway until the last 20 years so the exisiting facility when opened in 1973 was adequate to the need. You had SAS to CPG, PA to LHR and UA to NRT. Throw in a few flights to YVR and the occasional n/s on MX to MZT or PVR and I think that was it.

I think most US airports are expansions of older facilities. Very few new airports have been built starting from scratch in the last 60 years. The only ones that come to mind (and I'm sure there are others) are DEN (IAD) and ATL. As the need arose for more international service it was easier to build an entirely new structure. Also there may have been space constraints if physically attacted to the existing concourses. Attaching a new concourse to a pre-existing airport might mean such long walks that it's prohibitive...a separate facility with a train is the only option.


User currently offlinecschleic From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 4784 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 27):
I wonder if AS will maintain a club in the current location AND at the N gates. Here's hoping...the current space is packed to the brim.

The current location would seem kind of odd if they're vacating all D gates, but who knows. But, yes, the new one would have to be large to accommodate everyone since the current lounge is two floors. If they just move it to N, I wonder how many people with flights from C would avoid it just because of the tram trip required. But if it's up on the roof, views would be great.


User currently offlineBACCALA From United States of America, joined May 2009, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4326 times:

Seattle-Tacoma International Airport the gate moves will occur in May 2013.


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2744 posts, RR: 58
Reply 32, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4302 times:

I know this may be premature, but I'm gonna ask anyway - does anyone know specifically who's moving where (I.e. specific gates)?

Thanks

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User currently offlineAS739BSI From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4254 times:

I hope people do realize that connecting from N to S is not a cake walk. You have to take not one, not two, but three trains. One to get into the main terminal, second to get from the north side to the south side, then connect to the South Satellite. Realistically, I am beginning to wonder if we are going to need more gate space. Even if you can find it, then there is the entire host of questions on how to connect it up, which airlines, etc.

User currently offlineORDBOSEWR From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 2):

This will also be one of the final domestic airports that UA/CO get co-located at...it's taken that long given the airport moves, etc.

BOS is not even close to co-located. It will be sometime next calendar year, that is if massport does not change the plan because of the US/AA merger......


User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 973 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (1 year 5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3902 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 32):
I know this may be premature, but I'm gonna ask anyway - does anyone know specifically who's moving where (I.e. specific gates)?

The D gates are all becoming common-use. AS will still be using some every day, especially during the major remodel of the N gates.

Quoting AS739BSI (Reply 33):
I hope people do realize that connecting from N to S is not a cake walk. You have to take not one, not two, but three trains. One to get into the main terminal, second to get from the north side to the south side, then connect to the South Satellite. Realistically, I am beginning to wonder if we are going to need more gate space. Even if you can find it, then there is the entire host of questions on how to connect it up, which airlines, etc.

Taking the three different trains between C,N and S,B can be confusing for newbies but it beats walking (not even an option between N and S). Once you learn the train system at SeaTac it's a piece of cake. I don't understand why some people hate the system...it's fast and frequent and saves a lot of walking. From the ends of the B and C concourses it's a super-easy way to get to baggage claim but hardly anyone uses it.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3099 posts, RR: 7
Reply 36, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3723 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 35):
Taking the three different trains between C,N and S,B can be confusing for newbies but it beats walking (not even an option between N and S). Once you learn the train system at SeaTac it's a piece of cake. I don't understand why some people hate the system...it's fast and frequent and saves a lot of walking. From the ends of the B and C concourses it's a super-easy way to get to baggage claim but hardly anyone uses it.

How often does one transfer between S and N? I can only think of a few scenarios. One would be arriving from YYJ or YLW a S and transferring to an AS flight to California or Hawaii. Another would be arriving from an international flight on DL, KE, etc at S and transferring to an AS flight at N.

That's no different than doing that kind of confusing newbie connection at any other airport like LAX, JFK or ORD.

I just don't personally like being hostage to a train to get to/from my gate. Even at DFW you can walk everywhere, despite the long distances. One time I arrived at N and the train broke down for like 1/2 hour and there was nothing to do but stand there in the masses and wait.


User currently offlinesuperdash From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3715 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 36):

How often does one transfer between S and N?

And connecting to/from any Delta flight (and there are a lot of people that do that). Even the Horizon gates to/from Delta is a long trek.


User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 973 posts, RR: 2
Reply 38, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3499 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 36):
One time I arrived at N and the train broke down for like 1/2 hour and there was nothing to do but stand there in the masses and wait.

I've worked at SeaTac since 1981 and can only recall the train breaking down on me once. The airlines wouldn't stand for an unreliable system. There was a period when the train system was under renovation about 15-20 years ago. People had to take buses for a few months from the D concourse to the N concourse.

I'd like to see the N station opened up some...get rid of those low ceilings and open it up to the gate level above. The B and C stations are especially dreary. AS is soliciting station employees for ideas to enhance the customer experience...I don't think you'll recognize the N concourse when done. At least I hope not!


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3099 posts, RR: 7
Reply 39, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3435 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 38):
I've worked at SeaTac since 1981 and can only recall the train breaking down on me once.

The N train broke down on me last year.

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 38):

I'd like to see the N station opened up some...get rid of those low ceilings and open it up to the gate level above. The B and C stations are especially dreary.

These are common comments by many about many airports. For me personally, I don't care so much about the "experience". I just want to get on an airplane and get where I'm going on time and safely. I don't care if the airport is dreary or doesn't have flashy shops or whatever.


User currently offlinedlednicer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 544 posts, RR: 7
Reply 40, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2836 times:
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I personally hate the A concourse. Three years ago, I missed a flight because of delays at security and then the long run to the end of the A concourse. That experience taught me a lesson about Monday mornings at SEA. In 30 years, the trains have never failed me.

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3099 posts, RR: 7
Reply 41, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

Quoting dlednicer (Reply 40):
I personally hate the A concourse. Three years ago, I missed a flight because of delays at security and then the long run to the end of the A concourse. That experience taught me a lesson about Monday mornings at SEA. In 30 years, the trains have never failed me.

If you missed your flight at A concourse you think you would have gotten it at N if you were late arriving at the airport?


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2125 posts, RR: 3
Reply 42, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2628 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 35):
it's fast and frequent and saves a lot of walking.

Because some of us like walking and like getting exercise. I'd rather walk than take the train any day...

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 35):
From the ends of the B and C concourses it's a super-easy way to get to baggage claim but hardly anyone uses it.

How would it help from the end of the B gates to bag claim? There isn't a stop anywhere near the end of the B gates, IIRC.


User currently offlinemtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2464 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2563 times:
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Quoting chrisair (Reply 42):
How would it help from the end of the B gates to bag claim? There isn't a stop anywhere near the end of the B gates, IIRC.

Yes there is. Escalators down are right between B12 and B11. Centrally located at end of B.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2125 posts, RR: 3
Reply 44, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Quoting mtnwest1979 (Reply 43):
Yes there is. Escalators down are right between B12 and B11. Centrally located at end of B.

That must have reopened within the last year. Last time I was down there in May 2012, the stairs were still blocked off.

Thanks for the update!


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Reply 45, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2138 times:
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Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 41):
If you missed your flight at A concourse you think you would have gotten it at N if you were late arriving at the airport?

I'll have to clock it some day. My impression is that I can get from security to the N gates faster than I can walk/run to the end of the A concourse. A key factor is knowing where to stand when you get on the train. If you do this right, you get off and have a straight shot to the escalator at N and can run up to the gate.

I just measured on Google Earth and its about 2000 feet from the south security checkpoint to the end of the A concourse. On the other hand, its about 200 feet from the north security checkpoint to the train, the train goes about 1300 feet and then you have about 200 feet to the average gate at N .


User currently offlineasqx From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 615 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2079 times:

The south check point is roughly located across from gate A3. According to Google Earth's line tool and assuming a start from the A3 jetway to the end wall by A14 it's roughly 1,700 feet.

Lets make a lot of assumptions here and go with the following data. Suppose that once you get your gear collected after security it takes your 30 seconds to get down both escalators to the D station. The trains run every two minutes. Figure 30 seconds of doors open time to get people on and off, that means it takes 1:30 to go from D to N. Now, lets also suppose you get to the D station just as the door closes and you have to wait for the next train. That means you have 3:30 (two minutes to next departure and 1:30 transit to N) until you get off the train at the N gates. Add in another 30 seconds to shuffle in line and take the long ride up and that means it takes 4 minutes 30 seconds max to get to the N gates from the D station, and that's just the top of the escalator, add another nearly 400 feet or almost another minute to get to the N6/N7/N8 area.

Now, according to a quick google search, an average person should be able to walk 3 miles in one hour, or 15,840 feet, or 264 feet per minute. Based on that calculation in the same 4:30 time you could have gone 1188 feet or roughly 70% of the way down the A concourse. If you walk on the moving walkways, you could probably be further along, depending on how easily you can step on and off of them.

If you are comparing A14 to N7 with poor timing on the train, honestly, it's pretty much the same. There is, however, a perception that when you are standing around waiting for the train you are taking longer, even though the actual time is the same because the train moves as a speed faster than the average human walks. In the end, no matter which one you are at, people will complain. If it's the N gates it's the train, if it's the end of A the long walk. Hell, I work in Phoenix now and when working down at the end of T3-North at gate 23 I hear people complain about the long walk, and it's about 300 feet shorter to the exit from security as say D10 is in Seattle!

Ultimately, from the time I spent working in Sea-Tac in both N and S sattelites and the A concourse, if you have to go out to the end of A or take a train to the sattelites and go to the far end you are looking at the same roughly 5 minute time frame.


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