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JetBlue To Finally Announce ORH Service  
User currently offlinembk1999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 9 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9174 times:

Looks like the big day has finally arrived....

http://www.worcestermag.com/blogs/da...&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Pretty sure they're not going there to open up a new Starbucks  

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User currently offlineglobetrotter29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 9042 times:

Good for Worcester and B6, I wish them both success.

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17511 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8867 times:

Wow, I don't know what's more of a Hail Mary, B6 announcing ORH or Penair announcing BOS ISP.


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 905 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8689 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):

Well both Pen Air are B6 are getting incentives for this so neither...

Pen Air BOS-ISP = A fifth round draft pick that may be servicable

B6 ORH-??? (most likely MCO or FLL) = letting the third string QB play during preseason


User currently offlinespinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8690 times:

I don't know. Governor's have shown up for stranger things. That article seems filled with lots of conjecture.

I'd be surprised to see jetBlue offering service there, unless they are getting lots of incentives, then you might see some service to FLL and MCO.


User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1998 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8679 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 2):
Wow, I don't know what's more of a Hail Mary, B6 announcing ORH or Penair announcing BOS ISP.

I'm pretty sure this has to do with bartering with Massport



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User currently offlineSligo From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8554 times:

I hope it's true and I like Bill's blog; but he's not exactly a solid source in this particular article.

But here's hoping it's true!


User currently offlinebomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 8470 times:

There goes any chance of B6 in MHT in the next couple of years... Well done...

What kind of things is B6 gona get from Massport at BOS besides C to themselves?

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User currently offlineBlueJuice From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8225 times:

G4 has plenty of blue in their livery.   

User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17511 posts, RR: 45
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8117 times:

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 3):
Well both Pen Air are B6 are getting incentives for this so neither...

I would hope so. If they're already losing money in BOS the idea of flooding the neighborhood with capacity isn't a good one.



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User currently offlineRDUCO From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8037 times:

PEX has a blue livery too


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User currently offlinedeltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8031 times:

Would highly expect ORH to be announced tomorrow. Guessing FLL/MCO.

[Edited 2013-04-02 20:23:39]

User currently offlineBOStonsox From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 1990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7820 times:

I spoke with a B6 flight attendant and he said that ORH and 3x BOS-LGA were on the way. Worcester deserves to get B6 service. While it is a city bus, there is the #19 bus to Union Station where the intercity bus terminal is as well as the commuter rail station to Boston and other destinations in the MetroWest Area.

Quoting bomber996 (Reply 7):
There goes any chance of B6 in MHT in the next couple of years... Well done...

I would hope not. Other carriers have served all seven of the major New England airports before, why can't they now?



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User currently offlineBA744PHX From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7588 times:

well ORH is loading on Jetblue's drop down menu however flights are not

User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8380 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7544 times:

Quoting bomber996 (Reply 7):
There goes any chance of B6 in MHT in the next couple of years... Well done...

I don't think the two have any correlation. MHT would make money for B6. ORH won't make a dime for B6, and will go away before you can spell "failure". As others pointed out, there must be an ulterior motive. Once B6 gets what it wants from Massport they will leave ORH.


User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7368 times:

Good for ORH, but I can't imagine them not starting DAB if they're going into ORH. Even if ORH will be subsidized I can't see them passing over DAB yet going into ORH where no other commercial service exists at the moment.

Hopefully this one of a few new domestic stations JetBlue announces this year.



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User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7310 times:

I don't believe that JetBlue to Worcester means 'No' for Manchester. The two have no correlation, except to thoroughly embarrass MHT officials who now run the only airport in New England (aside from Bangor) without JetBlue service. More damning: Only one New England state without JetBlue service: New Hampshire.

In the end, this is all about leverage for JetBlue at Logan. In exchange for serving Worcester, JetBlue will get favorable treatment at BOS. But AA tried this trick and left after it failed. But the difference between AA and B6 is that one airline cares and invests in Boston while the other doesn't.

This is a 'Bad Hair Day' for the folks running MHT because they will have to answer the question: Why them and not us?


User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7311 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 14):
ORH won't make a dime for B6, and will go away before you can spell "failure". As others pointed out, there must be an ulterior motive.

I could be wrong, but wasn't SWF part of a 'package' with PANYNJ for B6 to gain more access to NYC airports? SWF used to see more flying, but is down to 1x daily FLL and 2x daily MCO flights, and I'm guessing that it doesn't make much money for them, yet it hasn't been axed...Perhaps the same will be said of ORH (should it be a reality): B6 may offer token service there, that'd be subsidized by MassPort.



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User currently offlineIcebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 662 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7311 times:

ORH will be seeing blue E190's.


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User currently offlineshadez From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7229 times:

1x daily to FLL and MCO is now bookable beginning Nov 7

User currently offlineglobetrotter29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7159 times:

Wow, their introductory fares are $56 one way.

User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4116 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7126 times:

Quoting globetrotter29 (Reply 20):
Wow, their introductory fares are $56 one way.

If you want to come home, that's where they nail you   


User currently offlineJohn From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7075 times:

My opinion, foolish move for many reasons. Many airlines have tried and failed. ORH is always fog prone with runway visibility issues. Flights will end up diverting to PVD anyway, probably several times a month. Concentrate on establishing the PVD market.

User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4674 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7057 times:

Quoting bomber996 (Reply 7):
There goes any chance of B6 in MHT in the next couple of years.

I dont think it shuts out MHT at all. More now than ever, airports are serving their own markets, and ORH in itself is certainly not a priority for B6 (ALB and ISP on their own are much better candidates) but if Massport starts doing favors for you by moving airlines around so you can get your own terminal...you need to return the favor.

1x each on an E190 is a fairly small token

MHT may be more than a couple years off, but certainly still within the 5 year picture in my opinion, but the market demand will need to support A320s so it can have the viable self-sustaining service that ORH is not.



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User currently offlinewerdywerd From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7024 times:

Official Press Release:

http://investor.jetblue.com/phoenix....-newsArticle&ID=1802982&highlight=

Quote:

JetBlue Announces its 80th City: Worcester, Massachusetts!

-- Daily service to Fort Lauderdale and Orlando take flight November 7, 2013 --
-- Customers can book sale fares one way from $60 to Orlando and from $70 to Fort Lauderdale today through April 10, 2013 at www.jetblue.com/new for travel between Nov. 8 and Dec. 17, 2013 (blackout dates apply) (a) --
NEW YORK, April 3, 2013 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ --JetBlue Airways (Nasdaq: JBLU) today announces the newest addition to its growing network, Worcester, Massachusetts. Service to the airline's 80th city will take flight on Thursday, November 7, 2013 with daily service to Fort Lauderdale and Orlando, Florida.




25 loggat : I thought I also read that the ORH tower is being closed due to the sequester too. So in inclimate weather, it should make things interesting. I wonde
26 chrisnh : A small 'FAIL' by JetBlue: They flew an A320 to Worcester this morning instead of the E190 that will be used there. As has been pointed out many times
27 MaverickM11 : Please, BOS chose the cheapest fare as they always do, and B6 is the only one that can afford to take the cheap traffic, and even they've admitted BO
28 RL757PVD : That was probably intentional as opposed to a "fail" You cant fake passenger numbers like that due to the way taxes and things like PFCs get calculat
29 jfklganyc : Not quite. But Chuck Schumner asked them to serve SWF...and they were pretty indebted to him. So they did it. I notice, Chucky-boy is trying to get I
30 Sligo : Agree, they're going for 100% O&D leisure and presumably using their particular assumptions plus the Allegiant stats as the basis for the justifi
31 airbazar : There are significant differences though. SWF is 70 miles from the nearest airport while ORH is 45 miles from BOS. SWF as easy access, ORH doesn't. M
32 Sligo : Yes, the drive comparison has always been debatable with the lack of an ORH access road always coming up sooner or later. But even with the lack of a
33 Post contains links flyby519 : 1x Daily to MCO/FLL E190 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/jetblu...s-worcester-florida-150404282.html
34 Post contains links werdywerd : Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDgHr...hare&list=UUWvqb5Oore0-h3HcC1CL_Qg
35 knope2001 : Onboard passenger loads are a matter of public record and are released monthly with about an 80 day lag time.
36 N766UA : No kidding. I'd much rather drive to MHT than ORH, too, unless I lived south/west of… idk, Framingham. Maybe MHT would siphon away too many Logan t
37 chrisnh : Actually, I think this bodes well for MHT. As many have said, MHT isn't a matter of 'if' but 'when.' The supposed 'obstacles' to coming here are bein
38 contrails15 : Ah, thats why there was a ferry going up there today.
39 stlgph : Very intentional. the A320 is much more tv camera "on board" friendly than an E190.
40 Post contains images mesaflyguy : Love thee video! Having family up in NE has made me learn how to pronounce those kinda things
41 VS11 : Great video! Very nice way to introduce the new destination - hope it works out.
42 centralma : I was on a flight one of the first days Northwest started flying to ORH. I remember the PA announcement..."welcome on board flight (xxx) with nonstop
43 cloudboy : I am assuming then that most of us are really just some shared hallucination, or that we are FAR too uncultured to fly anywhere? There is a huge catc
44 Post contains links zrs70 : Interesting diagram of ORH's airline history: http://www.telegram.com/assets/pdf/WT17668313.PDF
45 airbazar : No one has been willing to fly from ORH for years. The market can't possibly be that good. Just about everyone agrees that B6 is getting something in
46 bobnwa : Are you saying that B6 is currently losing money in BOS?
47 Post contains links B6JFKH81 : Based on the Analyst Day call held a few weeks ago, it was. However, that is expected when you expand at such a high rate in one city as we did in BO
48 adamh8297 : From looking at the presentation slides - B6 was in the black in BOS for 2009, 2010 but trending down that year, lost money in 2011 and rebounded sha
49 jfklganyc : That is when they shifted strategy in BOS. It seems like it effected them badly. BOS used to biggy back JFK when they opened a new city. Then, in an a
50 Flytravel : Since B6 wants business traffic from BOS, they need destinations and frequencies, but to offset losses in being competitive, they might as well charge
51 adamh8297 : Their presentation stated that there were too many negatives from doing that which means they considered it. I agree with you that baggage fees do no
52 cloudboy : The problem is that ORH hasn't had legitimate service for so long that no one has had the opportunity to use it. For that matter they still don't - B
53 deltairlines : It really isn't though. Driving from downtown Worcester to Manhattan takes 2h45 if you avoid traffic, and it's all freeway (my preferred route is 290
54 chrisnh : The same can be said for Mid America Airport, so how's that been working for them?
55 Sligo : Chris, Catchment must be defined not as how many people live close to a particular airport, but how many people the airport in question is clearly ea
56 727LOVER : How far is ORH from BOS, PVD, MHT, BDL?
57 RL757PVD : Using Worcester city center not airport... PVD 51 min BOS 53 min MHT 69 min BDL 73 min So all pretty close by and the distribution is probably varied
58 cloudboy : By miles or by minutes? Boston is probably a good 10 to 15 minutes closer during non rush hour traffic, but if you add rush hour you are talking prob
59 Cubsrule : Before we start slicing and dicing Saint Louis County--some of which, owing to traffic patterns, is probably in what you call the "discrete catchment
60 727LOVER : Is the schedule for ORH the same as SWF? They seeme to be doing OK there, theyve been there, what, 5 years. People always say "ITS TOO FAR FROM NYC"
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