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Wizz Air To Dubai Al Maktoum Airport  
User currently offlinesmbukas From Lithuania, joined Feb 2009, 191 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9847 times:

It is a very interesting development for me.

Wizz Air to launch 4 routes to DWC airport starting winter 2013. 3x weekly to BUC and SOF, 4x weekly to IEV and BUD. They should become first scheduled passenger operator to DWC.

DWC to become a low cost alternative for Dubai in time being?

Very interesting development for DWC and for Wizz Air. Routes to DWC to become longest sectors for Wizz Air, today they do not operate any flights longer then 3h30min. And that is a huge step for them outside EU, after they stepped in to Ukraine, Georgia, Israel and indent to develop in Russia.

Those routes to become competition for flydubai.

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User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9791 times:

It would be good if there was someone who flew on both flydubai and Wizz Air and who could compare their product on such longer flights.

From Bucharest they will have to compete with both flydubai and Tarom, each airline has three weekly flights. From Kiev flydubai has daily flights while Ukraine International Airlines has five weekly.

I hope there is considerable O&D from both Kiev and Bucharest unless they will be crushed.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19192 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9735 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 1):
I hope there is considerable O&D from both Kiev and Bucharest unless they will be crushed.

We must assume that they will, per their other routes, stimulate new demand from lower fares and thereby increase the overall size of the markets.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9542 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 2):

Yes but flydubai, a lowcost with relatively low fares, already flies to Bucharest and Kiev so they are not bringing a revolutionary concept to these markets. That is why I am asking. Sofia and Budapest make sense though.


User currently offlinesmbukas From Lithuania, joined Feb 2009, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9421 times:

If we do not look at competition on route-by-route basis, but more globally, it seems Wizz Air strategy is to look for new markets as they are getting more and more competition from FR on routes intra-EU. FR is big in Poland, Hungary, Lithuania and W6 and FR compete on most of the routes.

FR do not operate out of EU Open Skies, so W6 sees opportunity here. Might be, flydubai is way much "better" competitor then FR. On long sectors costs are very similar, W6 has a strong brand presence in Ukraine, Hungary, Bulgaria and Romania.

W6 got permission from Hungary side to fly to LED and MOW but they haven't announced flights yet. Is the problem in Russia regulatory side or they can't find suitable airports in MOW?


User currently offlineSkyeurope From Germany, joined May 2006, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9275 times:

Flights were bookable for about 60 Euros (!!) oneway 2 hours ago.

Seems like they don't know, for how much they want to sell their flights.

30 Minutes ago, they made a system update, prices went up to 179EUR and now it's about 100 for exactly the same flights.

[Edited 2013-04-03 03:26:05]

[Edited 2013-04-03 03:26:19]

User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 8773 times:

Great move by Wizzair, and clearly capitalising on their location in Central Europe, where they can offer direct flights to Dubai with their A320's.

Just looked on Great Circle Maps and the longest route is BUD-DWC which is around 2500 miles. This is a similar length to easyJet's longest route which is MAN-SSH, so I think this can definately work for them. Dubai is popular with everyone in Europe in the winter months so should fill the seats no problems.

I have noticed a few photo's of Wizzair's latest A320's to be delivered with Sharklets, these will definately come in handy on these longer sectors for range and fuel savings.

It is interesting how we are now seeing the European Los Cost Carriers doing sectors as longer distant as they operate in the USA, flying coast to coast which is around 2400 miles LAX-PHL.

Considering the length of the flight, they are selling tickets for £140 Return BUD-DWC! Im here in the UK, and seriously considering using them, and just get an additional flight LTN-BUD and reckon I could get there for £250 all in! The major carriers in the winter months from the UK are close to £500!


User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3450 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8517 times:

In that case will DWC compete with SHJ ? It's still the same catchment area, and maybe with a better position for Abu Dhabi travellers  

What about landing fees and handling... not to say slot restrictions as there are any for the moment ?!


User currently offlineTS-IOR From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3450 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8440 times:

When zooming on Google Maps you see numerous aircraft at the tarmac there (DWC) most of them 4 engined... are these all cargos ?! Where is the PAX terminal, i don't see any jetway ?!

User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 847 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8339 times:

Really interesting. NAS Air of Saudi Arabia is also starting DWC to JED, DMM and RUH, but no word on whether their will continue flying to all DXB, AUH and SHJ.

User currently offlineCassi From Hungary, joined Apr 2010, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8116 times:

I am glad that Wizzair is expanding its network in the region, but let's not get fooled by the 200 EUR or so introductory price (for a return ticket). Currently BEG-DXB on flyDubai costs about 490 EUR (VIE-DXB on EK is about 560-600 EUR). So a regular ticket price north of 400 EUR wouldn't come as a big surprise.

User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5120 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7722 times:

Quoting Cassi (Reply 10):
I am glad that Wizzair is expanding its network in the region, but let's not get fooled by the 200 EUR or so introductory price (for a return ticket). Currently BEG-DXB on flyDubai costs about 490 EUR (VIE-DXB on EK is about 560-600 EUR). So a regular ticket price north of 400 EUR wouldn't come as a big surprise.

Well, BUD-TLV is a 3.5 hours flight, and is available for 45 Euro one way. Looking at that Dubai can be offered for 199 Euro, which I think is a much more normal fare then 490 Euro.

A quick look at AMS-DXB for 370 Euro tells us BUD-DWC on a lowcost should be priced much lower and will indeed serve a new market, the lowcost holiday fans.



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7696 times:

Quoting Cassi (Reply 10):
Currently BEG-DXB on flyDubai costs about 490 EUR

Belgrade was €370 initially but then the price started to rise once the special fares issued by BEG expired. I am sure the same will happen here.

Let's also be realistic, this is almost a six hour flight. No one should expect to fly for €200.


User currently offlineely747 From Slovakia, joined Jan 2013, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7466 times:

So what is going to fuel such traffic and fill so many seats between BUD-DWC? it's4x weekly right? QR serves BUD daily but most of it are connecting pax. Are Wizz targetting holiday makers by opening not so cheap destination? I ask, as I understand it, the UAE gov makes it easier to obtain visa for people flying with EK. All the contries listed above are not on the visa waiver program of UAE.

[Edited 2013-04-03 11:55:22]

User currently offlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 847 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7245 times:

Quoting ely747 (Reply 13):
So what is going to fuel so many seats between BUD-DWC? it's4x weekly right? QR serves BUD daily but most of it are connecting pax. Are Wizz targetting holiday makers by opening not so cheap destination? I ask, as I understand it, the UAE gov makes it easier to obtain visa for people flying with EK.

Dubai is cheap when you compare it to other major cities in Europe. Dubai got much cheaper after the downturn (hotel prices collapsed) and IMO it has also became more "budget-friendly" (i.e. the new metro that allows you to surf the city without a rental car if you want, new budget options like the Easyhotel...).

Dubai is extremely popular among Russians (just look at the number of carriers and destinations UAE-Russia... really impressive), so I assume it is somehow the same for Eastern Europeans.


User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7227 times:

Quoting ely747 (Reply 13):

Qatar linked Budapest with Zagreb so their passengers are not exclusively from Hungary, I guess that makes daily flights viable.
This flight might also be interesting for people living in northern Serbia. There are roughly 7,000 to 10,000 (unofficial numbers) of Serbs working in the UAE. I am sure they might attract some Slovaks as well.


User currently offlineely747 From Slovakia, joined Jan 2013, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7047 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 15):

I do know there is some labour force out there but did not realize this would be such a significant factor as you mentioned, specially taking into acount Serbia. I was under the understanding it was a direct flight so it makes sense now.

Well, Slovakia cannot afford to export its own pax to neoghbouring airports any more. We've been fueling both VIE and BUD after NE gone bancrupt. The situation with BTS traffic is well bad and see no quick fix ...


User currently offlineely747 From Slovakia, joined Jan 2013, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6893 times:

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 14):

Ok let's say it has become cheaper but what you need to realize is the fact that people in Central Europe have tendency to travel on hols once a year and in most cases Croatia / Greece make it for obvious destinations (by car). Leave alone Bulgaria and Romania where income is the lowest in the EU. I'm just trying to look at Dubai from the perspective of regional purchasing power and local customes.We're talking about year round flights with decent number of seats to be sold in addition to already established air links offering transfer beyond DXB. Rather I'm begining to think that Wizz is counting on its own pax connecting via BUD, OTP and SOF.



[Edited 2013-04-03 12:42:55]

User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12390 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6871 times:
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Quoting TS-IOR (Reply 8):
When zooming on Google Maps you see numerous aircraft at the tarmac there (DWC) most of them 4 engined... are these all cargos ?!

Yes, they are nearly all freighters. The current Google Earth image shows:

2 x An-124
9 x Il-76
4 x 747
1 x C-130

And a couple of 737s.



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User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2399 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6715 times:

Quoting smbukas (Thread starter):
Very interesting development for DWC and for Wizz Air.

Will be interesting to see, how a ULTRA LOW COST airline will do on these longer routes - WIZZ AIR even charges for hand luggage...


User currently offlineely747 From Slovakia, joined Jan 2013, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6648 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 19):

Web site says small cabin bag goes free. Large cabin bag you have to fork out €10 but yes in this case Wizz Air got more audacity than MOL.


User currently offlinesmbukas From Lithuania, joined Feb 2009, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

Quoting debonair (Reply 19):
Will be interesting to see, how a ULTRA LOW COST airline will do on these longer routes - WIZZ AIR even charges for hand luggage...

I was very sceptical when they introduced this concept half a year ago. But this concept fully works for them. You pay 10EUR, but there are now ugly mess at the gate with checking every bag size, etc. - paid cabin bag size is bigger then regular airlines and no weight limit. AFAIK, this new concept increased their revenues - many more people no decide to purchase check-in baggage. I do not see problems why it should work differently in long routes - 10EUR is almost nothing.


User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

Quoting ely747 (Reply 17):

You are right to look at it from that point of view. Anyone who is wealthy, or wealthy enough to go on holidays to Dubai, will not fly on Wizz Air. Especially not when you have Turkish Airlines offering competitive fares and decent frequencies from all of these places.

I wonder if they got some subsidies to launch these routes? I am sure DWC is trying to attract as many airlines as it can.


User currently offlinesmbukas From Lithuania, joined Feb 2009, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3925 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 22):
You are right to look at it from that point of view. Anyone who is wealthy, or wealthy enough to go on holidays to Dubai, will not fly on Wizz Air. Especially not when you have Turkish Airlines offering competitive fares and decent frequencies from all of these places.

But, from other perspective, flydubai has a success in Eastern Europe. I believe, the main traffic for Wizz Air will be VFR traffic - many people working in UAE. Leisure traffic to be an additional segment - fun thing with leisure traffic is that even if you are able to spend holidays in expensive destinations, anyway you are trying to spend as less money for travel as possible.

I went to Maldives one year ago from Germany. 100% LF in Y and 30% seats taken in C. When you are travelling from your own pocket, fare is most important aspect.


User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

Quoting smbukas (Reply 23):

But flydubai has an interline agreement with Emirates which makes their life much easier. At the same time they have inflight entertainment which is a very good thing on such a long flight, also if you are flying from Serbia your children fly for free. All parents have to do is pay the taxes and voila. I somehow think that the overall experience with flydubai is incomparably better than with Wizz Air.


25 ely747 : As you mentioned above if you have a bit of cash to splash out, Wizz Air is not the brand you want to identify yourself with. In addiotion let's not
26 JU068 : I know for a fact that Emirates' offices around the world take care of your visa, at least they do so in Belgrade and Nicosia. This makes your life s
27 Post contains images photoshooter : Good move by Wizzair! I believe I read that Nas Air will follow W6 and operate flights to DWC as well. EK will stay at DXB for the next 10 years, then
28 Post contains links Cassi : In this article Wizzair's CEO is clearly promising more new routes between Dubai and Europe: http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-n...-ready-with-cheap-
29 JU068 : I am quite sure that when they announced their goal of reaching 160 million passengers they were expecting Emirates to move its hub there- not by att
30 SCQ83 : I think you are taking too many assumptions about which person flies each carrier or go on holiday... Wizzair will be the only available option to Du
31 sierra3tango : DWC was initiated for two principle reasons 1) DXB would run out of space with the meteoric rise of EK 2) Sea / Air Cargo The first is obvious and ne
32 SCQ83 : I know... I am not familiar with UAE politics, but if common sense would prevail, with good (high-speed train) connections to both Abu Dhabi and Duba
33 sierra3tango : Common sense prevail - it doesn't & it won't DWC for both EK & EY now that would be a MEGA hub SHJ will in all probability lose a lot of frei
34 SCQ83 : EK is what it is today, because common sense has prevailed. As someone has mentioned in another thread, EK is a number-run airline, not just a vanity
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