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Irish 5/13: Climbing Through The Turbulence  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12521 posts, RR: 35
Posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 20721 times:

Good evening folks and welcome to our fifth thread of 2013.

In the last thread, we saw some interesting developments:
- Ryanair's order for 175 737s - and a possible MAX order to come
- More meat on the 757 rumour, with the possibility of a 321NEO order on the way (unfortunately in place of the 350s?)
- RO returning to Dublin
- US carriers extending their summer season of flights
- Aer Lingus schtum on SFO flights
- Weather!
- Announcement of government policy on air transport (submissions invited, June deadline)

Irish 4/13: The St. Patrick's Day Special (by kaitak Mar 17 2013 in Civil Aviation)

We're now in the Summer season at last (though you wouldn't think it, with the cold! SAS has started using 717s to Dublin and from next month, we should see the arrival of EI Regional ATR72-600s.

So, over to you folks; dive in - no running, jumping or piddling in the shallow end ...

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User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1481 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 20603 times:

I was going to suggest
Irish 5/13 Gathering together for heat but you beat me to it.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27122 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 20564 times:

Thanks for the new thread Kaitak. My iPhone 5 says thanks too it was getting a bit much for it  

Was a lovely day for spotting at BHD . I was not spotting but was at Holywood exchange.

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/163C304C-C7C9-483D-835E-3F57424AE8E2-575-000000391B5AA0A9_zps8525b931.jpg

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 1):

Thats a nice title maybe the next one? It will be warmer by then please god.

Looking forward to a Summer of new flights/aircraft etc...


User currently onlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 20555 times:

Aer Lingus have just had their first arrival into JetBlue's T5 at JFK, hopefully everything runs smoothly! The JetBlue guys have been tweeting a few photos of the preparations and arrival today, the approach they have to social media is very good and it's nice to see Aer Lingus moving towards it as well.

[Edited 2013-04-03 11:01:48]

User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5214 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 20555 times:

Interesting article today in The Irish Examiner, continuing the discussion after last weeks CEO of Cork based EMC complained about lack of routes to and from Cork, something businesses really need.

In short the article suggests for Cork:


* Bringing weekly direct long-haul flights to and from the US by targeting services from existing Boeing 757 operators while future planning for Airbus A321 NEO and Boeing 787 equipment.

These aircraft are all capable of operating on the Atlantic from Cork’s main runway;

* Assessing the benefits of a strip taxiway that can remove the inefficiency of aircraft backtracking on the main runway;

* Targeting a twice daily service between Cork and Dublin that connects with transatlantic travel. This would be assisted by eliminating the air travel tax but must primarily target business travellers and support of industry in the Cork region.

What are your thoughts about this?


source: http://www.irishexaminer.com/busines...t-airport-flying-again-227161.html


User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20452 times:

Ryanair have just started charging 89c per issue to view their inflight magazine, "Let's Go" on their iPad app. Now I never minded paying any of FR's extra fees (hidden or not) when flying with them but this is taking the absolute p*ss! They are basically charging me to read pages and pages of advertising?

And their iPhone app has gone up to €3.59 now and you can't even check-in/generate mobile boarding passes/book flights! Surely they're only losing revenue with this carry on? Or are they just waiting for a newspaper to pick up on this madness so they'll run a story on it and get free press?

This is only thing about FR that irritates me (probably a good complaint...).

Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):
Bringing weekly direct long-haul flights to and from the US by targeting services from existing Boeing 757 operators while future planning for Airbus A321 NEO and Boeing 787 equipment.

I can't see any airline offering transatlantic services from ORK in the medium term. Any ORK operations would only dilute revenue gained from well-established SNN services and cause a fall in passenger numbers there. All major IRL-USA carriers with the exception of AA serve SNN and I can't see AA opening a route to ORK. Also as noted here on many occasions, SNN offers a number of advantages over ORK such as the US preclearance, unrestricted runway, and (particularly with the upcoming completion of M18/N17 road infrastructure), a wider catchment.

[Edited 2013-04-03 12:19:03]


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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12521 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20388 times:

I tend to agree with AmericanShamrok about the possibility of direct flights from ORK to the US, at least in the short to medium term; that said, there should be enough of a Corkonian diaspora in the US to support flights to one city, especially with 739ERs or A321NEOs.

I do agree that there should be a connection from DUB to ORK, to connect it to US and other flights.

However, companies like EMC can make these comments, but will they put their money where their mouths are; i.e. get together (EMC presumably isn't the only one) and say "look, if you put an ATR42/72 on this route, we'll take about 20-30 seats on it per day".


User currently onlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 20340 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):
* Assessing the benefits of a strip taxiway that can remove the inefficiency of aircraft backtracking on the main runway;

I think this was part of a previous master plan for ORK, after the new terminal opened there were plans for a new pier to be extended towards where the current cargo area is, basically starting where gate 7 & 8 currently is. It's likely that this plan is long dead but the parallel taxiway from runway 35 would make sense in the long run and is still possible but isn't exactly a pressing issue.


User currently onlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20272 times:

I'm actually amazed nobody has tried DUB-ORK since the withdrawal. The motorway has definitely damaged traffic but its still long enough time wise (and longer again by train) that equivalent journeys in other countries still usually have feeder traffic.

If RE could hang on to a 42 or two... I'd be on it frequently enough, its the most common work journey I used to fly, more often than any I still have to too.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27122 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 20110 times:

Quoting EIDL (Reply 8):

I'm actually amazed nobody has tried DUB-ORK since the withdrawal.

An airline with a few F50s who already operate out of DUB  


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12521 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 19921 times:

Working on Sir Humphrey's old adage, "Never believe something until it's been officially denied", the Indo has this piece on EI's return to SFO:

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...an-francisco-service-29170397.html

A major US maintenance operator, NAAS, will open in SNN, after having acquired a local maintenance firm:

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...ices-firm-sets-up-hq-29170396.html


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 19778 times:
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Just to be an annoyance....the rumour that says the A350 order will be swopped for A321NEO's is just that.
I have read it on 3 fora at this point (including this one) Basically it started with a discussion on forum #1 re the B757 plan, and how this could lead on to an A321NEO order..........then someone chimed in with how this could undermine the A350 order.....2 days later I see this discussion being quoted on forum #2. The day after that it appears here.

While I agree that the logic is sound I can't see how there is any actual evidence backing it.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27122 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19724 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 11):
I have read it on 3 fora at this point

Thats why Im very selective on what forums I read and more and more private groups are a better reliable source of information as its not public and people dont feel so apprehesive to post.

---

Fear of flying courses in conjunction with EI out of BHD :

Fear of flying: can new Belfast course cure phobia?

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/li...t-course-cure-phobia-29162503.html

[Edited 2013-04-04 04:09:07]

User currently onlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 19553 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 11):
Just to be an annoyance....the rumour that says the A350 order will be swopped for A321NEO's is just that.

Good. I don't think ordering the A321neo in favour of the A350 would be a good move in the long run, the neo family obviously has a place in the future fleet of Aer Lingus but it's no 757 replacement and definitely not a suitable A350 alternative as the A330s can only last so long. Quite a way down the road a fleet of A350s, A330s and subfleet of A321neos makes sense and wouldn't be too complicated a fleet.

Definitely think we'll hear the result of these rumours when the 757 deal materialises, whenever that may happen!


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12521 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 19431 times:

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 11):
Just to be an annoyance....the rumour that says the A350 order will be swopped for A321NEO's is just that.

You're never an annoyance ... particularly when you shoot down rumours no-one particularly welcomes! I think EI's interest in the A321NEO is understandable and I think we will see such an order, but if the t/a hub at DUB is to work and grow, they need something of slightly larger capacity. I accept CM's point (indeed, it was made here long before he came to EI!) the 350 is not an ideal aircraft for starting up new routes, so I see the 350 and 333 in the fleet together for quite a while, along with 321NEOs. The latter will be a useful vehicle for starting routes to some peripheral destinations.

You can see from this range ring that the 321NEO can cover quite a good swathe of the US and Canada from DUB:

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?R=3650nm%40DUB


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27122 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 19410 times:

Aer Lingus has started their advertising campaign for LGW again. Seemed like every bus was plastered with these adverts yesterday. Still good to get awareness of the route and refresh peoples minds.

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/MISC/Image_zps1bad0080.jpg


User currently offlinechrisnh From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4133 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 19344 times:

hello everyone!

I will be on 136 Boston-Dublin tomorrow the 5th and Dublin-Boston on Saturday the 13th. The question I have is about the -200 versus the -300. Does Aer Lingus always use the -200 for the flight I'm on, or are the types interchangeable?

Thank you!


User currently onlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 19228 times:

The first Aer Arann ATR72-600 will be delivered on April 23rd and enter service on the 25th.

Twitter: https://twitter.com/IrishAero/status/319878119051886592

I hope it arrives in full Aer Lingus Regional livery and not that white livery with EIR titles that half the fleet currently appears in.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 15):
Aer Lingus has started their advertising campaign for LGW again.

Doing the same in London with those electronic advertising screens at train stations. No mention of LHR but pushing the LGW route a lot, clearly battling on against Flybe but the cancellation of the 4th daily rotation this summer probably shows that Aer Lingus aren't willing to lose much more money on the route. Unless Flybe are about to keel over I don't see a future for EI on this route, focusing on LHR and developing European routes from BHD would be a wiser move.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12521 posts, RR: 35
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 19215 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 17):

I hope it arrives in full Aer Lingus Regional livery and not that white livery with EIR titles that half the fleet currently appears in.

I'd be very surprised if they arrived in white; I guess (and I'm very much open to correction) that those acft in the white livery are (like EI-BYO) not long for this world and it was judged not economically sensible to repaint them in full colours.

The new ATR72 will be registered EI-FAS.

Anyone know which of the current ATRs will be the first to go?


User currently onlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 19198 times:

I'm surprised they're not using the remaining EI-REx registrations. EI-REQ (wreck) might be a bad idea but there's precisely 8 left after that (EI-REX is gone). EI-FAx is just an in-order registration block it seems.

Used the pre-order for EI shorthaul food for the first time for my next two flights, slightly hoping I'm *not* about row 16 and blindingly obvious when they bring it out going on trip reports of being served first!


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 19166 times:
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Quoting chrisnh (Reply 16):
I will be on 136 Boston-Dublin tomorrow the 5th and Dublin-Boston on Saturday the 13th. The question I have is about the -200 versus the -300. Does Aer Lingus always use the -200 for the flight I'm on, or are the types interchangeable?

EI plan the -200's and -300's on certain flights. The JFK routes are usually -300's. The -200's generally operate 1 rotation to BOS and from SNN.

However on the day both types are interchangeable.


User currently offlinetonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1948 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 18849 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 6):
However, companies like EMC can make these comments, but will they put their money where their mouths are; i.e. get together (EMC presumably isn't the only one) and say "look, if you put an ATR42/72 on this route, we'll take about 20-30 seats on it per day".

I think the proof of the need (or lack thereof) such a service is the fact that it did once exist but has been pulled presumably because it either didn't have enough demand or RE/FR practically had to pay people to fly the route to fill the planes. If transatlantic access to ORK is as a major concern as it is being made out to be, then a less obvious but ultimately a more sensible option in the longer term would be to lobby for the completion of the M20 to link it to Limerick. It would put Cork within an hours driving distance of SNN which has said transatlantic services as well as having the wider benefit for those in the world that don't think access to air services is the single most important concern in the worls (Hard for some of us to grasp I know!).



Flown With EI,FR,RE,UA,CO,AA,WS,CX,QF,JQ: Airports SNN,GWY,ORK,DUB,NOC,LHR,STN,BOS,EWR,JFK,ORD,BOI,SEA,MCI,LHR,LYS,CDG,H
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27122 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 18825 times:

Quoting chrisnh (Reply 16):
I will be on 136 Boston-Dublin tomorrow

Your flight will be operated tonight by EI-DUO which is a -200 .


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 18661 times:
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Posted on another forum........EI traffic stats for March:
Aer Lingus mainline passengers 757,000 up 2.9% LF of 79.9 up 4.1

Short Haul-- 675,000 up 1.7 from March 2012. L/F 77.3%

Long Haul-- 83,000 up 13.7% from March 2012. L/F 84.4% up 2.4

Overall Capacity up 9.7% from March 2012.

EI regional --- 87,000 up 19.2% from March 2012.

Total
844,000 up 4.3% from March 2012.

Loadfactors of 77% and 84% seem like pretty good numbers in March,while traditionally a strong month for Irish markets definitely a good start to the usually busier March-Oct season.

Do FR publish monthly stats too?


User currently onlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6346 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 18615 times:

The early Easter would have boosted those figures nicely. Still good to see growth.

Ryanair post monthly stats as well, think they announced March numbers yesterday with passengers down 1% to 5.4m and load factor up 1% to 79% as previously guided apparently.


25 EIBoston : Speaking about the 330's, I see that the DUB-AGP 584/585 is now operated daily by a 330. Is this just for the Easter period or it this for the summer
26 shamrock321 : Its a daily service for the summer as it has been for the last few years.
27 EIBoston : Thanks, wasn't aware that it was daily previously. Always thought it was only used at busy times for trips to Malaga and Faro.
28 shamrock321 : Its made ad hoc trips to FAO and the Canaries during busy times but its been solid daily during the summer to AGP for quite a while, it normally does
29 Post contains links OA260 : Yes been around for ages now at least 3-4 years. AGP is always a good money spinner. Also with 3 flights on a Tuesday it seems demand is still high f
30 clydenairways : Even a lot longer than that. At least 10 years for the A330 down there! But not necessarily daily in the early years. Malaga is by far the biggest vo
31 EIBoston : Thanks for the info. I must be gone too long from home.
32 Post contains links rojam : From the last thread (4/13) Umm, April the 1st you say....sometimes it's about having fun (and without having to poke a jab at competitors!).[Edited 2
33 Post contains images Jambost : Very funny! A visual image of what some inbound tourists was expecting from EI on St Patricks day!
34 Post contains links kaitak : Aer Lingus is to take delivery of two new A320s - leased from GECAS; delivery is due this month! http://irishaviationresearchinstitut...al-aviation-se
35 Post contains images aerdingus : I wonder if they'll come with winglets. Anyone know? Sorry, bit winglet obsessed.....
36 OA260 : Yes Im the same they look amazing on the LX ones.
37 shamrock350 : Had another good flight with Aer Lingus this evening, my checked bag was a little overweight but the agent let me off, noting my gold circle status an
38 EagleBoy : I would guess the article refers to the Little Red aircraft. I assume they are currently enroute from Singapore
39 MichaelEI : I'm going to guess that's EI-EZV/EZW. They are registered to Celestial Aviation Trading. I searched for them and found they are based in Co. Clare, s
40 Jamie2k9 : Another new route with FR from SNN, Montpellier showing on the website, also showing from DUB. Edit it looks like its for Muster match if they win on
41 KL911 : Wouldn't Cork be more logic then DUB or SNN though?
42 Post contains links OA260 : Increase at DUB: Almost 1.6M Passengers Used Dublin Airport in March April 04 2013 Just under 1.6 million passengers travelled through Dublin Airport
43 kaitak : D'oh! You're right; they are the two ex-Meridiana ones - totally forgot about them.
44 Post contains links and images Phen : Indeed and the existing A320s EI-DEI and EI-DEO which are going to Little Red will be replaced by two A319s due to arrive soon, so overall the short
45 AmricanShamrok : I have to say I don't agree with the look of "sharklets" on the A32x. Aircraft are becoming increasingly generic-looking and one of the major element
46 Post contains links and images OA260 : Great to see BFS being used for this and Im sure delighted spotters A380 touch and go's anyone ? Two nice pics in the article. BA 747 uses Belfast Int
47 Jambost : Come on EK you know you want too! I only recently discovered that the A380 performed a flyover at LCY back in 2009, I do not recall any hype about it
48 ClassicLover : If you have a Gold Circle card, you can board at any time - so yeah, something to note for the future perhaps. In other news, I flew DUB-AMS-DUB on E
49 Jambost : Typo meant to state LDY in my above post.
50 shamrock350 : I didn't fancy it to be honest, by the time I'd arrived at the gate from the lounge there was already a crowd surrounding the desk and I decided just
51 Post contains links Jamie2k9 : Jet 2 have suspended all Belfast Int flights due to safety concerns with runway works taking place. Flights operating from BHD however that is not pos
52 Jambost : Has the relations between BFS and LS broken down recently? I find it strange that only LS has been affected as it seems to be business as usual for e
53 Post contains links OA260 : Yes indeed why have other carriers not suspended their flights UA / EZY etc... ---- Good news for the EI/EY USA codeshare : Etihad Airways and Aer Li
54 OA260 : Not a good day for Jet2 . First they switched to BHD and now an aircraft with the same passengers onboard are stuck at BHD due to technical difficulti
55 Post contains links OA260 : UTV have a statement from the MD : Safety fears prompt Jet2 to leave airport Low-cost airline Jet2 has revealed it is leaving Belfast International Ai
56 Jambost : What is going on in LS? Rumour on another forum suggests FOD incidents has repeatedly damaged their aircraft. Perhaps their BFS base is losing money t
57 Post contains links OA260 : An interesting bit in this article : Jet2 stops flying from Belfast International Airport "We can confirm that we are engaged in an extensive runway
58 Nibog : Certainly events on the night of the 4th wouldn't have helped matters;BFS was closed from 22.00hrs to 22.30 in relation to works on the runway.This re
59 OA260 : Certainly seems so . Maybe something to be investigated and for those in charge at BFS to answer to the carriers and the customers alike.
60 Nibog : Totally agree with you,ask any passenger on that Easyjet flight that had to return to EDI after a short hop over to BFS,all due to work on the runway
61 Jambost : Cheers, I was pretty slow to submit last my post. LS seem confident that BFS runway maintenance is responsible. Assuming that BFS are not responsible
62 Nibog : I wonder how Easyjet feel,they are by far the biggest customer @ BFS?.
63 Post contains links OA260 : Statement from BFS : Statement from Belfast International Airport regarding Jet2.com We can confirm that we are engaged in an extensive runway re-surf
64 Post contains images Jambost : I imagine U2 will sit back and enjoy the show and even possibly state that none of their flights are disrupted unlike LS. However if they do have sim
65 OA260 : Indeed and apparantly LS are looking compo from BFS ! Such a shame as its over shadowed their new route announcements.
66 Jambost : I just imagine FR with these events and remind myself that it is LS, Does anyone know what their load factors are like in general? If LS are losing mo
67 Jamie2k9 : Reported on PPRUNE that stones were found in one of the aircraft engines at Belfast...
68 OA260 : AFAIK yes because some major UK Tour Operators have these types of flights in the Summer.
69 Aer Lingus : I'm a regular on the LGW-DUB route and I've noticed that air fares leaving on a Friday returning on a Monday have doubled compared to this time last y
70 OA260 : Yes totally. I used to be able to get flights to LGW for EUR65-70 and now its EUR110-130 so I have certainly noticed it.
71 Post contains links dstc47 : Interesting story about the possible impact of climate change on N Atlantic air journeys from the BBC today. It is somewhat appropriate to the theme h
72 ClassicLover : Anyone know what name A320 EI-CVG had?
73 OA260 : St . Flannan IIRC
74 Post contains links EagleBoy : Handy page to bookmark, names, age, and config of all the current EI fleet: http://corporate.aerlingus.com/companyprofile/fleet/index.html
75 Post contains images ClassicLover : The name that EI-DVG has now? ... you're right if it were DVG, but I am looking for CVG. I have it in Flight Memory but it's the only Aer Lingus airc
76 EagleBoy : Are you sure that was the reg? I have a rough list of EI historic flight, can't find that reg. What aircraft type? Could it have been EI-CPG or EI-CD
77 ClassicLover : Definitely an A320 - maybe it should be DVG and I took it down incorrectly or typed it in to Flight Memory incorrectly. Entirely possible!
78 EagleBoy : Must have been. First 4 EI A320 were EI-CVA..B..C..D, Next deliveries were all EI-DEx series, last few are EI-DVx. -CPG is St.Aiden and -CDG was St.Mo
79 Post contains images ClassicLover : Perfect, thanks for that Solves a little mystery for me!
80 PenPusher : More Climate Model junk science, best ignored
81 Post contains images Phen : I try to fly back to Ireland frequently but the gradual increase in fares generally has begun to put me off, especially on LGW-NOC which is handy for
82 Post contains images Jambost : Jet2 will return services to BFS from Wednesday, Rather cobwebs choking their engines than stones! Perhaps they see now how much their tantrem has tru
83 EIDAA : Afternoon all. I had my first flights with Aer Lingus Regional yesterday on the DUB to SEN route. I flew out on the early morning flight and then back
84 shamrock350 : It's down to six weekly for next winter which isn't very encouraging but I believe February was its second best month since it started and the winter
85 OA260 : Thats not good on a business day and if thats the kind of numbers its getting on other days too.
86 Jamie2k9 : The reduced EIR schedules for next winter are for early T/A bookings via DUB, it won't be June until EIR confirm their schedules but I do think that D
87 AmricanShamrok : I flew KIR-DUB and back on Saturday and both flights good loads. The morning one in particular was packed with just two or three empty seats on the A
88 clydenairways : Well hopefully we will see DUB-LPL in it's place. Long overdue.
89 Post contains links and images 321NEO : Hi there! I've been following this thread for the past 3-4 years so I've decided to at last sign-up as a member! The thread is always good fun to read
90 Post contains images Phen : Welcome! Hope you enjoy posting and get stuck in with the discussion! Some great videos you have too
91 Post contains links and images OA260 : Some interesting figures from Aer Lingus and others : Aer Lingus staff costs still among highest in the European industry AER Lingus still has the fif
92 ClassicLover : I read that - it was quite surprising really - after pay cuts and freezes it's still that high!
93 Post contains links ThrottleHold : Article on EY-EI codeshare tie up from the Gulf News. http://gulfnews.com/business/aviatio...ingus-codeshare-gets-nod-1.1167996 More interestingly, I
94 Post contains links OA260 : It wouldn't surprise me if EK did want them from Ireland and in fact eventually get them. The thing is what impact it would have on Aer Lingus. -- Ru
95 finnishway : The newest Airliner World states that Air Contractors is planning to wet-lease three B757s to Aer Lingus. All of these coming from Finnair.
96 Post contains images clydenairways : Yep. They probably got their info from this site anyway. While i am quite surprised to see how high the averages are, comparing one airline to anothe
97 kaitak : Me too! I am surprised that EK would want them, given that they could reach most cities in the US from DXB; I know they are doing MXP-JFK. I wonder i
98 EIDL : If you take the "classic" meaning of fifth, they'd have to be, say, MIA-DUB-AUH flights, albeit with the ability to buy sectoral tickets. Sixth seems
99 321neo : Will be very interesting to see how EI configures the cabins and the choice of seats/IFE
100 Post contains images OA260 : Yes we have been discussing it here over the last few threads. Interesting times. Would be interesting to know what positions and if they are all war
101 kaitak : And MIA is AA's major hub for LatAm. It's amazing that EK serves so many cities in the US - JFK, IAD, SEA, SFO, LAX, DFW and IAH; there aren't many n
102 Post contains links and images OA260 : And here it is : 700,000 Extra Seats To And From Dublin Airport This Summer 700,000 Extra Seats To and From Dublin Airport This Summer17% Growth In T
103 Post contains images Jambost : From my experience flying EK from MEL - DXB, I was very relieved to have a couple of hours stop over in SIN. I do not believe I could have coped on th
104 BestWestern : AI isn't a threat to the incumbent services, whilst EK or EY would be. What would be wonderful if we could convince the likes of EY to operate to un-
105 cipango : Unfortunately we dont know what the EY master plan is, but hopefully something like that, although it could be a long shot. Only possibility in my op
106 OA260 : Mr Hogan said in an interview that in the next few weeks there will be three more codeshares announced that will surprise the world. I wonder what th
107 OA260 : DOUBLE POST ANET SERVER ISSUES DELETED ....[Edited 2013-04-12 03:15:30]
108 finnishway : I haven't been following this discussion, so I would like to know why are they leasing these B757s? Where are they going to fly with them?
109 OA260 : For routes such as SNN - JFK / BOS where the loads cant always justify an A330.
110 Post contains images tonymctigue : And may I also add to try out some addittional thinner routes from DUB, maintain year round services from SNN, improve the frequencies from SNN and t
111 Post contains links and images OA260 : Some good news for Dublin with Minoan Airlines. Effective 01 June Minoan increases its frequencies to London Oxford Dublin- twice daily Monday-Friday
112 clydenairways : Wow, twice daily! I am really surprised by this. Does anybody know how it's doing?
113 kaitak : That's probably a major motivator behind the planned EI route to YYZ next Summer. They're currently talking about 757s on this route, though I hope t
114 Post contains links and images IRISH251 : It is already twice daily on Wednesday and Friday (the weekdays that it operates). Here is this evening's departure: SX-BRV Fokker 50 by Irish251, on
115 Post contains links 321neo : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...r-international-airline-links.html '' “We’d love to see something non-stop to Cork” in Ireland, Barger sa
116 Phen : Well when you read around that sentence about Cork it says: The relationship could further grow if Aer Lingus expands its network, he said. “We’d
117 Post contains images OA260 : Great pic and thanks for pointing out the map of Crete Never noticed that before !!
118 BestWestern : Crete? Well, I just thought that the paint was flaking! What ever happened to the Aer Lingus Fokker 50's?
119 EIDL : I'm pretty sure that some of them are flying for Cityjet via VLM?
120 BrianDromey : Dependant on how the 757s get on from SNN and the number of A321 NEOs EI order I think transatlantic from Cork could be possible with the A321NEOs. I
121 bx737 : I would agree with you, but I am just wondering can Terminal 5 in JFK deal with international flights or would this result in a situation of having t
122 irishair98 : does anybody have pictures on the web of EI in terminal 5 at JFK yet?
123 Post contains links 321neo : http://www.independent.ie/business/i...eholder-in-aer-arann-29070625.html Interesting article here on the precise ownership situation regarding RE at
124 BrianDromey : not at the moment. But PANYNJ and B6 are building those facilities as we speak. A project called T5i, I believe.
125 Post contains links RandWKOP : Willie Walsh sticking his nose into EI business again. http://www.independent.ie/business/i...has-aer-lingus-stake-29193401.html
126 Post contains links shamrock350 : To be fair to Walsh he was probably just asked a question and he answered it but we all know he has his own agenda and it was clear that he wouldn't
127 Post contains links EagleBoy : http://www.flickr.com/photos/tearbringer/8645282539/in/photostream I would agree. WW wants an airline to be completely privately owned so that they ar
128 OA260 : Im not in favor of governments owning airlines. Whats more interesting is which IT system EI will go for ie: maybe Sabre PSS.
129 Post contains links shamrock350 : Third A319 for Aer Lingus, EI-EPT arrived today, looks like it's named Ruadhan. http://www.flickr.com/photos/elevationair/8646345884/sizes/l/ One of t
130 KL911 : Furty gusty winds around Cork caused FR905 from Stansted to enter a holding pattern east of Cork. Has been there for a while now. Take offs continue,
131 AmricanShamrok : I don't think it's a case of the loads not being able to justify the A330 but to increase flexibility in the SNN market by offering a daily service t
132 OA260 : Looks nice. Like the name also ''Rowan'' in English , one of the 12 Apostles of Ireland. I love the way EI still name their aircraft. Nice to keep tr
133 IRISH251 : Yes, it does look like that at first. The company is headquartered in Heraklion.
134 OA260 : I read that Aer Lingus Regional have carried approx 50K passengers in 11 months on the SEN route. Im wondering how many seats over 11 months would hav
135 Jamie2k9 : A few sums and I have come up with a rough figure of 90,000 seats over that period.
136 Post contains images chrisnh : Was aboard EI 136 to Boston yesterday, A330-200 EI-DAA. Of the three -200s in the fleet, FAs told me its their favorite. I took EI-DAA over to Dublin
137 kaitak : Sounds like you had a great trip! It's nice the way crews have different names for different aircraft! I remember, years ago, when EI had the 747s, on
138 EagleBoy : Into MAN after encountering 20 knot windshear.
139 Post contains images OA260 : Great nice to hear you had a good experience. Nice pics .
140 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : Surprising there was little or no disruption to RE flights today. A tornado warning remains in effect for the country: http://www.irishexaminer.com/br
141 Post contains images MichaelEI : Agreed with the favourite/least favourite thing. I personally don't like -EDS/-EDP, the galleys on them are really awkward, and the slots for the car
142 teahan : An RE flight into Kerry was cancelled.
143 Post contains links chrisnh : I have some good 'spotter' friends in Boston. They took these videos: Here we are taking off April 5 on EI-DAA: http://youtu.be/-d8o40wqu3w Here we ar
144 Post contains links shamrock350 : Well today marks 77 years since Aer Lingus was founded by the Irish government, RTE posted this video of the inaugural 747 flight. http://www.rte.ie/a
145 OA260 : Im sure there are lots of old film reels even taken on old cine cameras that could be in roof spaces in Ireland or the USA. Very hard to trace though
146 bx737 : According to CH Aviation Arkefly will be operating charter flights from Cork and Shannon to Las Palmas, Palma, Lanzarote, Reus and Malaga. The flights
147 EIDAA : Evening all, I flew in to and out of JFK T5 with EI on Saturday and Sunday this weekend on a brief trip to the US. Both flights were on EI-ELA which h
148 Post contains images KL911 : Great, I'm moving to Cork and Arkefly just decides to follow me? I guess it will be their 738, but anyway, nice to have something else here.
149 Jamie2k9 : Aer Lingus's T/A schedules will be affected tomorrow currently all flights at Boston have being suspended becausae of the security alerts in the city.
150 EIDL : Are any EI craft stuck on the ground in BOS? edit: actually looks, from fr24, like its open again now anyway.[Edited 2013-04-15 14:02:02]
151 Jamie2k9 : 16.15 out of DUB will be unable to land and the 18.15 out of BOS won't be able to depart while the 21.00 out will be cancelled.
152 KL911 : The MAN-ORK as well now. Not sure if it's RE though.
153 AmricanShamrok : Looks like the EI139 (operated by EI-DUO) will land on schedule on RWY4L/4R at BOS in a few minutes. The airspace immediately west of BOS has been res
154 Post contains links and images 321neo : Hey guys! Here's my first trip report, covering a recent trip made to MCO with EI. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ums/trip_reports/read.main/2
155 OA260 : Yep there were no issues with the two flights back either.
156 Post contains images OA260 : For anyone interested in the wifi : Im lucky to be onboard today and Ms Delaney Aer Lingus PR along with RTE News are filming a piece for broadcast on
157 Post contains links and images OA260 : So we are at cruising altitude and free wifi passes have been given to those seated in Premier cabin. RTE are doing interviews and free drinks being h
158 Post contains images 321neo : Seems like a great product IMO! A good step forward for EI.
159 AmricanShamrok : Thanks for this, I've been waiting to see how it work with pricing etc. This will make transatlantic flights even shorter now! Fair play to EI for be
160 OA260 : Yeah great product and all you can eat for €20 on a TATL is great value. Hopefully you will be able to pre book it. One interesting thing is I hear
161 chrisnh : I thought my Boston-Dublin-Boston flights were terrific, but my only quibble was with the 'local' Aer Lingus flights I was on, from Dublin to Paris an
162 cipango : BA is a full service airline whereas EI short-haul is low-cost and food and beverages are at a charge.
163 Jamie2k9 : I wouldn't call EI a low cost carrier, they have a good balance between full service and low cost which is why they are one of a few European airline
164 Eagleboy : Its definitely the trend in Euro carriers nowadays. Quite a few US based pax don't realise that when they read the menus in the seat pocket or hear t
165 cipango : EI Short-Haul is by definition "Low-Cost".[Edited 2013-04-16 11:15:06]
166 Post contains images OA260 : Yeah they are often referred to as a "friendly" LCC
167 AmricanShamrok : Encouraging news from US Airways:
168 clydenairways : Good to hear. Hope it can be sustained for the coming years and not just a peak caused by the gathering marketing drive. With types such as the 321NE
169 tonymctigue : Certainly is encouraging! Any word on how SNN-ORD bookinga are going? It would be such a needed boost if these flights are in SNN to stay. On a relat
170 Post contains images OA260 : Indeed was wondering that myself. Didnt I say from the start that I hope PIA's SNN aspirations went better than last time
171 Post contains links Ire2008 : Nice picture on twitter on Aer Arann's new ATR! http://ow.ly/i/1U8AK/original Kevin
172 Post contains links and images clydenairways : Looks nice. For those who can't tell the difference from the -500 series and the -600, take a look at these cockpit images. -500 series View Large Vi
173 KL911 : I agree, and especially out of Cork they are horribly expensive. I read online btw that EI has the 5th highest paid employees of Europe's carriers, s
174 nightfox365 : A friend of mine just said that an Aer Lingus A330 with a callsign of 10X did a go around yesterday, does anyone know the cause of the go around? Was
175 OA260 : Could have been due to high blustery winds which were quite strong between 5-7am. The windows of T2 were shuddering!
176 KL911 : Speaking of wind, Cork is being hammered at the moment. FR from Faro diverted to SNN earlier on, and now the incoming STN and EI from LHR are divertin
177 psimpson : A number of Aer Lingus flights have diverted into MAN this evening due to strong crosswinds at Dublin
178 shamrock350 : Lots of diversions to EDI as well, looked like at least 4 just landed there in a row. Going to be quite a mess getting everyone back to DUB and ORK. A
179 AmricanShamrok : A total of 13 diverted aircraft on the ground at SNN now: FR9948 (FAO-ORK) EI723 (LHR-ORK) FR905 (STN-ORK) FR7888 (PMI-ORK) EI861 (PMI-ORK) FR8285 (KR
180 airfinglas : Was on the AMS-DUB which diverted to SNN. The landing there was sporty enough. The skipper came out of the cockpit and spoke to the pax from Row 1. He
181 clydenairways : I was watching the proceedings too on Flight Radar, it looked like Belfast got a lot of Dublin diversions too and some also went to Manchester. It se
182 KL911 : But today in Cork the sky is clear, not much wind, and EI still cancelled CDG, AGP and MUC. Guess one of the planes has gone tech?
183 nightfox365 : I say actually is EI need one in Dublin to help the backlog there.
184 shamrock321 : Titan Airways 757 left STN earlier as EIN158P to help I guess, I think the EI ORK cancellations as with the DUB ones are because of alot of airplanes
185 Jamie2k9 : And a B767 and B737 operating today for EI
186 Post contains links OA260 : EI had to prioritise certain flights and juggle the aircraft around. This caused the cancellation unfortunately. Certainly still very strong and gusty
187 Jamie2k9 : Approx 40 arrivals/departures with EI from DUB canclled and I expect that increased as that 40 were decided at 03.00 this morning.
188 AmricanShamrok : I was up late watching FlightRadar24 and saw the diverted CPH-DUB flight (into BFS) take-off from BFS and attempt another landing at DUB. It had to t
189 Post contains links OA260 : Interesting story in the paper today : Surprise jet arrival left lasting legacy in town 30 years ago today Captain Ruben Ocana’s Gulfstream II made
190 kaitak : Funnily enough, I was watching one of those RTE DVDs - "Rolling in the years", I think it was called, and it featured that incident. Good footage on
191 bx737 : It also forms the story behind a film, I think the film was called The Runway
192 OA260 : Yes you can . Either by buying with LH direct or some Nett consol fares via agents allow LH/LX mix . Sometimes they have to be booked all on the LH f
193 Ire2008 : Can I just ask a random question, dont know if anybody knows! Did EI ever look at the DC-9 or MD-80? And also since they had the 747-100. did they loo
194 nightfox365 : About the 741's I dont think they even looked, they were too big for them at the time. They looked at a few other aircraft types, such as the 767-300
195 Post contains links and images OA260 : Yeah it was mentioned on the IFE info :
196 kaitak : I'm sure they looked at the DC9 around the time they ordered the 737-200; they also looked at the larger versions of the BAC111, as they already had
197 Post contains images EIBoston : Thankfully
198 tonymctigue : Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't EI mention they were looking into the B748i and the B777 when they were weighing up their options prior to placi
199 Post contains images OA260 : That would have been a road to bankruptcy. Its as much a pipe dream as A380's I think they did the right thing with the A350's.
200 Eagleboy : I doubt it, the range of the A340 wasn't required at the time. The A330-200s were acquired in 1999 and 2000 when they started the LAX route. Can't sa
201 tonymctigue : I don't doubt that the A350 (or alternatively the B787) was the way to go. I just had a faint memory of the B748i being mentioned as a possibility by
202 clydenairways : To add a few more from my own memory. The Caravelle was being considered along with the Bac 1-11-200 at that time. There were some Govt elements pres
203 Eagleboy : Whats that old saying..........."never get the A model of anything!"
204 Post contains links OA260 : Aer Lingus teams up with Heathrow Express, another good way for EI to increase its third party revenue: Heathrow Express announces combined air and ra
205 tonymctigue : Assuming the B757 plan goes ahead and is a success, it would be a great way for EI to get some early examples of the latest and greatest narrowbody f
206 Ire2008 : And heres for a follow up question, to which I dont know if anyone knows! Why didnt they select the 727 or L10-11 or any other aircraft that were avai
207 clydenairways : Well for European ops the 737-200 was perfect for them and they also had a number that operated in the QC configuration. From memory the Milan route
208 Post contains images kaitak : They were quite a small airline then, so keeping the number of types low was a strong consideration. With regard to the Caravelles, it did actually s
209 EIDL : First flight on an EI 319 tomorrow, somehow managed to miss them till now (I suppose not flying from BHD might have caused that). Could swear it said
210 OA260 : They are using them on DUB routes ie LGW . Row 24 is the last row .
211 BrianDromey : Seems that Menzies staff at MAN are now in EI uniform. Seems to be a fairly recent thing, since my last flight a month ago, although the station manag
212 EIDL : Definitely seems to be, I have some memory of a discussion about this about a year or more ago with Mueller wanting to get as many outstation staff i
213 AmricanShamrok : The LHR Menzies groundstaff have been wearing the EI uniform now for some time.
214 OA260 : I cant actually remember not seeing them in EI uniform so it must be a good while. Also at BHD they are in EI uniform as they were in BFS.
215 shamrock350 : Since 2007 when the BFS opened opened with Menzies staff in Aer Lingus uniform is when I remember seeing LHR staff in the uniform as well. Makes a re
216 Post contains links OA260 : I remember the good old days at LHR when EI actually handled other airlines with their own LHR based staff. I remember checking in with EI at T3 for
217 Post contains images BestWestern : Remember the days when the Menzies staff who served EI in Heathrow basically wore whatever they liked? How the airline has recovered its culture sinc
218 shamrocka330 : Anyone know what the Kalitta 747-200 was doing in DUB today? It flew in from Atlanta.
219 shamrock321 : Just to mention that Servisair groud staff at DUB now wear BA uniform aswell.
220 OA260 : Well lets hope that with the uniform has come enhanced staff training !
221 irish251 : It brought in a replacement engine for a stranded Delta 767.
222 shamrocka330 : Thanks! It was pretty cool seeing a 777-300ER and a 747-200 land and the Air France 777F take off in the space of 5 mins today!
223 EIDL : Was on the newly delivered EI 319 this morning - Ruadhan. Very low load so the first rows were unavailable on checkin in advance and only a few were o
224 AmricanShamrok : I believe there is a team of freshly-trained pilots just back from Jerez over the last few weeks so the third might have been a training pilot.
225 Jamie2k9 : EI had the A319's slotted into the GDS for two dates in May however when one arrived in DUB in April it started service the following afternoon as th
226 Post contains links 777ER : Irish 6/13: Airborne Dreaming (by kaitak Apr 21 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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