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Pilatus Unveils PC-24...  
User currently offlineAirimages From Switzerland, joined Feb 2005, 118 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5494 times:
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I am looking forward to see this new jet made by Pilatus.

Source: www.pilatus-aircraft.com

Jerome

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User currently onlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2331 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5264 times:

Wait... what?

I've never heard of it... and I'm from Switzerland...  Wow!


Great to see another airplane from Pilatus that has the potential to be a killer on the market. First the PC-6 Porter/Turbo Porter, and now a kind of jet bush plane.  


David



Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlinecx flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6588 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

Looks like a Fokker 70!

User currently offlinecorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2525 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4150 times:

Quoting cx flyboy (Reply 2):

More so a Lear 45


User currently onlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2331 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4054 times:

Quoting cx flyboy (Reply 2):
Quoting corey07850 (Reply 3):

...and the picture could be deliberately... wrong.


There was a project of a all-CFRP plane, the Grob G180 SPn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grob_G180_SPn

A collaboration with Pilatus was proposed, and then Pilatus backed out. The G180 was a business jet that could use unimproved runways. I really wonder if Pilatus has bought the plans to that aircraft after Grob Aerospace went bankrupt.


David



Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

Interesting. I didn't know they were planning a jet. Hopefully some pics will surface soon.

User currently offlinePlaneInsomniac From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3864 times:

A few more links:
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_11_15_2012_p0-517664.xml
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...us-will-unveil-pc-24-twinjet-ebace

...NOT a belated April fool's, it seems  



Am I cured? Slept 5 hours on last long-haul flight...
User currently onlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2331 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Yes, for me it's great news that a new jet aircraft is produced in Switzerland!


The last project was more than 50 years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Swiss_Air_Force (section "N-20 and P-16").


David



Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlinequeb From Canada, joined May 2010, 655 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

this market segment is really saturated, it will not be easy

User currently onlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

Quoting queb (Reply 8):
this market segment is really saturated, it will not be easy

Not really, especially with the death of the Hawker line.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlinequeb From Canada, joined May 2010, 655 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3381 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 9):

Quoting queb (Reply 8):
this market segment is really saturated, it will not be easy

Not really, especially with the death of the Hawker line.

-DiamondFlyer

and why Hawker line is dead ?

Check Cessna deliveries for the last five years, check Learjet deliveries, all goes down. Embraer does well with Phenoms, Honda is coming...


User currently onlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

Quoting queb (Reply 10):
and why Hawker line is dead ?

Hawker Beechcraft is no longer such a company. It's Beechcraft. One of the major portions of their bankruptcy dealings they recently went thru was that they dumped the entire Hawker name and line 400, 800/900, 4000. They even went so far as to dump the warranty on recently delivered aircraft.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1359 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

Quoting queb (Reply 10):
and why Hawker line is dead ?

Hawker Beechcraft went bankrupt and upon exit of bankruptcy is only building Beechcraft propeller aircraft.

Hawker parts and support for the jets will continue, just no new jets.

I haven't seen a final word on the Hawker line.


User currently offlinequeb From Canada, joined May 2010, 655 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3186 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 11):
Hawker Beechcraft is no longer such a company. It's Beechcraft. One of the major portions of their bankruptcy dealings they recently went thru was that they dumped the entire Hawker name and line 400, 800/900, 4000. They even went so far as to dump the warranty on recently delivered aircraft.

-DiamondFlyer

I know all this, but the manufacturer probably had good reasons to drop Hawker. From 129 deliveries in 2008 to 29 in 2012...


User currently offlinediscovery1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 4):
There was a project of a all-CFRP plane, the Grob G180 SPn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grob_G180_SPn

A collaboration with Pilatus was proposed, and then Pilatus backed out. The G180 was a business jet that could use unimproved runways. I really wonder if Pilatus has bought the plans to that aircraft after Grob Aerospace went bankrupt.

Eh, I don't know about that. An all composite aircraft probably I doubt would be a good choice for flights to unimproved airports. Composites of a given thickness are more sensitive to crack propagation than metals. And at unimproved airports stuff like gravel being thrown up by the tires and hitting the fuselage might be more of an issue.


User currently onlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2521 times:

Quoting queb (Reply 13):
I know all this, but the manufacturer probably had good reasons to drop Hawker. From 129 deliveries in 2008 to 29 in 2012...

Yes, because you can only squeeze so much blood out of a product before a clean sheet is needed to do better. How long have the 400 and 800 been around? Then, look at how poorly the development process of the 4000 went, and Hawker was never going to be building a new jet again, and everyone knew it.

-DiamondFlyer


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