Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Status Of N636DL?  
User currently offlinebhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 467 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7531 times:

Sorry if this was discussed before... I was jumpseating to ORD on Monday this week and saw at the TOC in ATL N636DL with its tail painted over and Delta removed from the aircraft. Is this aircraft being retired or returned? Thanks in advance.

33 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7470 times:

According to Planespotters.net, 636DL is 25 years old and many of DL's 757's delivered around 1988 have been recently stored. I am guessing 636DL is in the process of being stored as well.

User currently offlinedalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2614 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7105 times:

Going back to lessor. The leasing company is going to fly it somewhere and chop it up. We are buying the engines back from them.

User currently offlineB757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6790 times:

Ships 637 and 638 are not far behind. Sadly, they will suffer the same fate.

User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2442 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6585 times:

Quoting B757forever (Reply 3):
638

Wasn't she the first A/C to wear the new colors? From what I understand she sports winglets as well.. Isn't that an expensive mod to throw away?



ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1751 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6458 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

FedEx is probably buying them from the lessor  

User currently offlinedalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2614 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 6293 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 5):
FedEx is probably buying them from the lessor

Not these airframes. All are due for HMV. They are all also getting close to their lifetime cycle limits I think, so doing an HMV makes no sense.


User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1835 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6244 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 5):
FedEx is probably buying them from the lessor  

**If** they did, it would only be for scrapping/spare parts.


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6192 times:

Quoting bhmdiversion (Thread starter):

going to end up as beer cans. Sadly.

Quoting n7371f (Reply 5):
FedEx is probably buying them from the lessor  

unlikely. If they did it would be a parts plane only.

as 88 said Delta is buying the PW2000s from the leasing company, wouldn't be shocked to see other parts end up back at Delta.
You won't be seeing to many DL 57s going to FX. They are parking them as they hit cycle limits.

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 4):
Wasn't she the first A/C to wear the new colors? From what I understand she sports winglets as well.. Isn't that an expensive mod to throw away?

Yes that is Jerry's Plane. Also has AVOD. (and as you said winglets.)

636/637 are non-winglet/non-AVOD birds.



yep.
User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1987 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6160 times:

All these planes have around 80,000 Hours / 38,000 Cycles. FX took three DL 757s with similar hours/cycles only a few years ago (N990FD-N992FD). I wonder what had changed?

[Edited 2013-04-04 04:37:07]


This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1603 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5943 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 9):
FX took three DL 757s with similar hours/cycles only a few years ago (N990FD-N992FD). I wonder what had changed?

What changed was many more 757's available with lower hours and cycles!!


User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5883 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 4):
From what I understand she sports winglets as well.. Isn't that an expensive mod to throw away?
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 8):
Also has AVOD. (and as you said winglets.)

Can the winglets be taken off and reused on a non-winglet bird?

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 9):
FX took three DL 757s with similar hours/cycles only a few years ago (N990FD-N992FD). I wonder what had changed?

The owner of those birds perhaps? Perhaps the owner of N636DL-N638DL found it more profitable to scrap them vs. the original owner of N990FD-N992FD selling them to FX.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5697 times:

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 11):
Can the winglets be taken off and reused on a non-winglet bird?

My understanding is no.

As for the AVOD, I wonder if they'll transplant the seats/system to another 757 because this will bring the fleet count of the 75Xs to 47 and there are quite a few "older" 75Xs flying around.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5604 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 12):

As for the AVOD, I wonder if they'll transplant the seats/system to another 757 because this will bring the fleet count of the 75Xs to 47 and there are quite a few "older" 75Xs flying around.

no telling. I haven't heard it but it seems hard to believe the system will just get scraped.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 12):
My understanding is no.

I don't know. I would think that in theory they could? It would just take another 757 getting the required work to be able to support winglets plus the work to get them off. I would think cost would be the issue.



yep.
User currently offlineB757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5540 times:

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 11):
Can the winglets be taken off and reused on a non-winglet bird?

No. The removable winglet itself may find a new home replacing a damaged unit on a wingleted bird. All the structure added inside the wing / fuel tanks that supports the winglet goes to the scrapper.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5193 times:

Quoting B757forever (Reply 14):
No. The removable winglet itself may find a new home replacing a damaged unit on a wingleted bird. All the structure added inside the wing / fuel tanks that supports the winglet goes to the scrapper.

So basically the winglet itself can be removed but to put it on another DL 757 they would have to get all the support work done as well.

-------------------------------

Just from looking at my sources 625, 626, 628, 636, 653, 657, 5526, and 5527 will be returned as well. No word on what the lessors will do with them though. Also, ship 124 (76Q) will go back to the bank. The other domestic 767s in storage are safe - for now.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5121 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):
Also, ship 124 (76Q) will go back to the bank

I thought 124 was parked already? Flew 121 a few weeks ago - looked great inside and out!


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4934 times:

Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 16):
I thought 124 was parked already? Flew 121 a few weeks ago - looked great inside and out!

It is parked along with a couple others but this is the only one that will be going back to its lessor this year.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2398 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4470 times:

Quoting dalmd88 (Reply 6):
Not these airframes. All are due for HMV. They are all also getting close to their lifetime cycle limits I think, so doing an HMV makes no sense.

As a side note to DL's fleet, the oldest MD-88s are getting very close to the original certified cycle limits. It would appear the life extension program is being applied to the MD-88, but sadly, not the 752.



There's nothing quite like a trijet.
User currently offlineCoronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1213 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4419 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Remarkable capacity discipline by Delta at choosing to retire 757 a/c before the higher demand summer season rather than stretch them out for another 6 months, assuming this is even possible unless they are coming up on hard HMV dates. When will the first 737-900's be on property?


The Original Coronado: First CV jet flights RG CV 990 July 1965; DL CV 880 July 1965; Spantax CV990 Feb 1973
User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

Quoting Coronado (Reply 19):
When will the first 737-900's be on property?

November I think. So this summer season should be interesting..



PHX Ramp, hottest place on earth
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4307 times:

Quoting Coronado (Reply 19):
Remarkable capacity discipline by Delta at choosing to retire 757 a/c before the higher demand summer season rather than stretch them out for another 6 months, assuming this is even possible unless they are coming up on hard HMV dates. When will the first 737-900's be on property?

All frames I listed are already in storage although most won't be going back until Q4'13.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineB757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4125 times:

Quoting Coronado (Reply 19):
unless they are coming up on hard HMV dates.

Hard HMV dates. Ship 636 ran out about 10 days ago. Ships 637 and 638 run out in the next 3 months.


User currently offlinen7371f From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1751 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3611 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):
Just from looking at my sources 625, 626, 628, 636, 653, 657, 5526, and 5527 will be returned as well.

All been parked at Marana for some time. 5526 got parked in NWA colors with the NW interior; 5527 got repainted and the DL interior refresh.

Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 16):
I thought 124 was parked already?

124 got parked in September

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 12):
As for the AVOD, I wonder if they'll transplant the seats/system to another 757 because this will bring the fleet count of the 75Xs to 47 and there are quite a few "older" 75Xs flying around.

The Panasonic/Dish system is such a POS not sure it's worth the effort to transfer over the system to another 757. Plus you'd have the issue of installing 75X seats into the factory delivered configured 757's which have a different layout (24 vs 26 in first) including the 2L galley. Not sure it's an issue but unless DL were to redo a 757 into a 75X, you'd have one bird with TV but a F24Y159 layout.

When DL parked the 76Q's it used the seats and screens to go into the first batch of international 767's with TV's at every seat.


User currently offlineB757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

Here is ship 636 leaving the TOC for the last time, on it's way to the scrapper. Flt 9931 4-19-2013.


User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1987 posts, RR: 9
Reply 25, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

Quoting B757forever (Reply 24):
Here is ship 636 leaving the TOC for the last time,
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9931

I assume that since this a/c was past due on HMV, a ferry permit was needed for this flight.

Sad to see a 757 leave, only to make room for another 737.



This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1759 posts, RR: 16
Reply 26, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

As Captain on her first flight out of RNT in February of 1988 it make me feel a little older.

User currently offlineB757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 27, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 23):
Quoting FlyAA757 (Reply 16):I thought 124 was parked already?
124 got parked in September

Surprisingly ships 124 and 126 are undergoing HMV now and will be back in service by summer.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 28, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

Quoting B757forever (Reply 27):
Surprisingly ships 124 and 126 are undergoing HMV now and will be back in service by summer.



Are you sure 124 isn't being prepped for the lessor? It may be in the contract. It's slated to be returned to the finance company this year.

126 however is being shown as a part of the active fleet for the foreseeable future.

[Edited 2013-04-19 19:37:33]


What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 29, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

Quoting n7371f (Reply 23):
The Panasonic/Dish system is such a POS not sure it's worth the effort to transfer over the system to another 757.

huh? I have never had a problem with it. (at least nothing a simple re-boot didn't fix)

and I would rather have that than getting the fun of looking at the back of a seat for 4 hours like the joys of flying MD90s and 320s.

I will take thing time just a rant a little but about the Panasonic guys that work...strike that....sit on the airplane and act like they work. Has anyone actually seem them do anything? seems like anytime im near one they are just chillin. (oh and God help you if your dumb enough to walk in front of the air vent they cut in the hose. It doesn't matter if you have to go outside the aircraft and open another door.....you do not walk in front of a Panasonic person AC.)

ah really though. I heard that its costing nearly 1M for the CRT to LCD mods on the 757s. (no idea how true that is) If thats the case I am not sure they can get the ROI to re-fit the AVOD systems out of 757s that are being WFU

[Edited 2013-04-19 23:41:32]


yep.
User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

Ship 636 used to make the rounds into PHX alot, I always had to ride brakes on her when we had to tow it over to remote.

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 25):
Sad to see a 757 leave, only to make room for another 737.

Said it before and I will say it again, not looking forward to this move. Please oh please DL god let the 739s have a carpet system for the bins.

Quoting B757forever (Reply 27):
Surprisingly ships 124 and 126 are undergoing HMV now and will be back in service by summer.

At least some good news is coming out of this.



PHX Ramp, hottest place on earth
User currently offlineWESTERN737800 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 693 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2835 times:

Quoting B757forever (Reply 24):
Here is ship 636 leaving the TOC for the last time, on it's way to the scrapper. Flt 9931 4-19-2013.
Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 25):
Sad to see a 757 leave, only to make room for another 737.

That's just sad to see a good workhorse like that leave the fleet.



Bring back Western Airlines!
User currently offline737tdi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 933 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2374 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

As a very long time aviation/maintenance guy I don't understand why you would need or want to scrap an aircraft with such low cycles??? Hours mean very little in aviation when it comes to maintenance. Granted engine hours (probably not the original engines anyway) and time limited parts but structurally these aircraft should be sound. Yes they may be up on a heavy check but that is only a couple million dollars, compared to ??million. I just don't understand the logic, maybe fuel costs? Maintenance costs on a new aircraft are going to be equivalent. Folks think just because it is new it requires no maintenance but they do, alot in some cases. Most RON maintenance is scheduled and OTS is usually due to parts failure or outside forces such as lightning, birds, ice, hail, ramp rash. Our aircraft spend more time OTS due to the previous then any other reason. Especially the lightning! 2 to 4 days OTS for minor strikes but with Boeings new procedures it is a major pain.

User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 14
Reply 33, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 32):

you part it out because that is what makes the most money. I'm sure the owner shopped the aircraft around and couldn't get a better price to keep it flying.



yep.
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Status Of Ex-Emirates A6-EAA posted Thu Feb 28 2013 10:02:47 by TS-IOR
Status Of Fokker NG posted Thu Feb 14 2013 03:43:52 by SASMD82
Status Of US Fleet With Wifi posted Sun Jan 13 2013 04:27:11 by womenbeshopping
Status Of DL(NW) 787 Order posted Wed Nov 14 2012 05:14:20 by xdlx
Status Of EK A343s And Other 'old Types'? posted Thu Nov 8 2012 21:40:12 by lightsaber
Status Of OO's CR2s For AA posted Wed Nov 7 2012 02:00:09 by mhkansan
Status Of ANA 767-381ER JA610A Damaged 6/20? posted Sun Oct 21 2012 06:56:42 by DTWPurserBoy
Status Of LH 744 Retrofit posted Sat Oct 20 2012 16:33:06 by EuroPL
Status Of Austrian Airlines Flights To Tehran? posted Fri Sep 21 2012 08:05:18 by maxthrusta330
Status Of GOL's 767's? posted Wed Sep 19 2012 07:49:19 by DTWPurserBoy