bhmdiversion From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 451 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6822 times:
Sorry if this was discussed before... I was jumpseating to ORD on Monday this week and saw at the TOC in ATL N636DL with its tail painted over and Delta removed from the aircraft. Is this aircraft being retired or returned? Thanks in advance.
Quoting n7371f (Reply 5): FedEx is probably buying them from the lessor
unlikely. If they did it would be a parts plane only.
as 88 said Delta is buying the PW2000s from the leasing company, wouldn't be shocked to see other parts end up back at Delta.
You won't be seeing to many DL 57s going to FX. They are parking them as they hit cycle limits.
Quoting SXDFC (Reply 4): Wasn't she the first A/C to wear the new colors? From what I understand she sports winglets as well.. Isn't that an expensive mod to throw away?
Yes that is Jerry's Plane. Also has AVOD. (and as you said winglets.)
Deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8911 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4895 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 12):
As for the AVOD, I wonder if they'll transplant the seats/system to another 757 because this will bring the fleet count of the 75Xs to 47 and there are quite a few "older" 75Xs flying around.
no telling. I haven't heard it but it seems hard to believe the system will just get scraped.
I don't know. I would think that in theory they could? It would just take another 757 getting the required work to be able to support winglets plus the work to get them off. I would think cost would be the issue.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6872 posts, RR: 11 Reply 15, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4484 times:
Quoting B757forever (Reply 14): No. The removable winglet itself may find a new home replacing a damaged unit on a wingleted bird. All the structure added inside the wing / fuel tanks that supports the winglet goes to the scrapper.
So basically the winglet itself can be removed but to put it on another DL 757 they would have to get all the support work done as well.
Just from looking at my sources 625, 626, 628, 636, 653, 657, 5526, and 5527 will be returned as well. No word on what the lessors will do with them though. Also, ship 124 (76Q) will go back to the bank. The other domestic 767s in storage are safe - for now.
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TrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2164 posts, RR: 7 Reply 18, posted (8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3761 times:
Quoting dalmd88 (Reply 6): Not these airframes. All are due for HMV. They are all also getting close to their lifetime cycle limits I think, so doing an HMV makes no sense.
As a side note to DL's fleet, the oldest MD-88s are getting very close to the original certified cycle limits. It would appear the life extension program is being applied to the MD-88, but sadly, not the 752.
Coronado From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1090 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3710 times:
Remarkable capacity discipline by Delta at choosing to retire 757 a/c before the higher demand summer season rather than stretch them out for another 6 months, assuming this is even possible unless they are coming up on hard HMV dates. When will the first 737-900's be on property?
The Original Coronado: First CV jet flights RG CV 990 July 1965; DL CV 880 July 1965; Spantax CV990 Feb 1973
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6872 posts, RR: 11 Reply 21, posted (8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3598 times:
Quoting Coronado (Reply 19): Remarkable capacity discipline by Delta at choosing to retire 757 a/c before the higher demand summer season rather than stretch them out for another 6 months, assuming this is even possible unless they are coming up on hard HMV dates. When will the first 737-900's be on property?
All frames I listed are already in storage although most won't be going back until Q4'13.
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Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 12): As for the AVOD, I wonder if they'll transplant the seats/system to another 757 because this will bring the fleet count of the 75Xs to 47 and there are quite a few "older" 75Xs flying around.
The Panasonic/Dish system is such a POS not sure it's worth the effort to transfer over the system to another 757. Plus you'd have the issue of installing 75X seats into the factory delivered configured 757's which have a different layout (24 vs 26 in first) including the 2L galley. Not sure it's an issue but unless DL were to redo a 757 into a 75X, you'd have one bird with TV but a F24Y159 layout.
When DL parked the 76Q's it used the seats and screens to go into the first batch of international 767's with TV's at every seat.
Deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8911 posts, RR: 10 Reply 29, posted (7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2261 times:
Quoting n7371f (Reply 23): The Panasonic/Dish system is such a POS not sure it's worth the effort to transfer over the system to another 757.
huh? I have never had a problem with it. (at least nothing a simple re-boot didn't fix)
and I would rather have that than getting the fun of looking at the back of a seat for 4 hours like the joys of flying MD90s and 320s.
I will take thing time just a rant a little but about the Panasonic guys that work...strike that....sit on the airplane and act like they work. Has anyone actually seem them do anything? seems like anytime im near one they are just chillin. (oh and God help you if your dumb enough to walk in front of the air vent they cut in the hose. It doesn't matter if you have to go outside the aircraft and open another door.....you do not walk in front of a Panasonic person AC.)
ah really though. I heard that its costing nearly 1M for the CRT to LCD mods on the 757s. (no idea how true that is) If thats the case I am not sure they can get the ROI to re-fit the AVOD systems out of 757s that are being WFU
737tdi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 482 posts, RR: 0 Reply 32, posted (7 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1664 times:
As a very long time aviation/maintenance guy I don't understand why you would need or want to scrap an aircraft with such low cycles??? Hours mean very little in aviation when it comes to maintenance. Granted engine hours (probably not the original engines anyway) and time limited parts but structurally these aircraft should be sound. Yes they may be up on a heavy check but that is only a couple million dollars, compared to ??million. I just don't understand the logic, maybe fuel costs? Maintenance costs on a new aircraft are going to be equivalent. Folks think just because it is new it requires no maintenance but they do, alot in some cases. Most RON maintenance is scheduled and OTS is usually due to parts failure or outside forces such as lightning, birds, ice, hail, ramp rash. Our aircraft spend more time OTS due to the previous then any other reason. Especially the lightning! 2 to 4 days OTS for minor strikes but with Boeings new procedures it is a major pain.