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Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #12  
User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9033 posts, RR: 75
Posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 37871 times:
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And this is part 12 as part 11 was getting a little longer.

Here again the link to part 11:

Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #11 (by SA7700 Jan 1 2013 in Civil Aviation)

And now continue and have fun.

Thanks.


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7578 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 37710 times:

From the last thread:
[quote:747classic]Latest info : Estimated delivery dates for the next 2 months :

LN1438--- RC554-- Cathay #4-----B-LJD------ 23 April
LN1476--- RC582-- Atlas Air #9--- N855GT---30 April
LN1473--- RC508-- Cargolux #8 --LX-VCH----13 May
LN1475--- RC028-- Lufthansa #7--D-ABYI---- 29 May
[/quote]

Sucks I can't catch the 5Y delivery but I guess I'll see the CX Cargo in NRT someday  
Anyone have more updates on KZ? As I stated earlier their fleet is relatively new, and I thought they were taking the 748s for network expansion.



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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2143 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 37566 times:

The next Lufthansa 747-8 Intercontinental (L/N1477, RC029, D-ABYJ) emerged from the Final Assembly Line and can be observed for the first time on a very nice aerial picture of the Everett Flight line at Matt Cawby's KPAE blog ( Thanks Matt ).

Look for the most righthand 747-8, unpainted with dark blue rudders, at this picture :
http://paineairport.com/kpae6190.htm

On the same picture the following 747-8 aircraft are visible (from Left to Right) : RC508, RC554, RC573, RC582, RC572 and RC029 .



Operating a twin over the ocean, you're always one engine failure from a total emergency.
User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 37339 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
Anyone have more updates on KZ?

RC522: delivered 20 December 2012
RC523: delivered 25 July 2012
RC524: flown to storage at KMZJ on 1 March 2013.
RC525: in final assembly, due to roll out by the end of April.
RC526 - RC528: have not started final assembly yet.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 37225 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
LN1475--- RC028-- Lufthansa #7--D-ABYI---- 29 May

Anybody know why the delivery of RC028 slipped a whole month?



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User currently offlinemattcawby From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 208 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 37017 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 2):
The next Lufthansa 747-8 Intercontinental (L/N1477, RC029, D-ABYJ) emerged from the Final Assembly Line

Here is a better picture:

http://paineairport.com/kpae6202.htm



Skyline Photography
User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 36984 times:

Quoting mattcawby (Reply 5):

Man does that look sharp, its wings, engines. I have grown to like the 748 more with time, it looks powerful.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 36791 times:

RC021 has its first engine installed, see http://paineairport.com/kpae6192.htm. And RC553 now has all its 4 engines installed.

The refurbishment program is coming to an end. I'm also wondering if that engine on RC021 is already having the PIP upgrade.



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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2143 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 36684 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 7):
I'm also wondering if that engine on RC021 is already having the PIP upgrade.

I doubt that the presently installed engine has the PIP upgrade already, but hopefully i'm wrong.

FAR Part 33 certification for the GEnx-2B PIP engine was original scheduled for April 2013.

According the following article of December 2012 about the GEnx-1B PIP 1 and 2 program, the GEnx-2B PIP certification had already slipped into mid 2013 and AFAIK no test flights have been performed at the GE 747 testbed up to now.
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...genx-1b-boeing-787-slips-next-year

Additional to this delay : the prolonged grounding of the 787, effectively arresting the tests for engine/airframe certification (FAR part 25) of the preceding GEnx1B/PIP2, could have a negative effect on the time line of the GEnx-2B/PIP certification.



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User currently offlineSSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 36648 times:

I don't follow this thread much, but I am assuming that those of you who do would be most qualified and most enthusiastic to answer this question.

Considering the rather anemic sales/deliveries of the passenger version, I'm wonder if Lufthansa/Boeing have released concrete operating costs per seat for the -8 by now? Those stats, it seems to me, would be the one bright light, or final nail in the coffin of this A/C, which, if nothing else, I think is incredibly beautiful.

Originally, Boeing had been specifying he -8 as more efficient per seat mile than the A380, as I recall., while Airbus had been specifying the reverse. What has turned out to be the case? In addition, I believe the under-floor cargo capacity and layout of the Boeing A/C were supposed to be selling points. I also am not in the loop (forgive me) if the weight has been brought down since the first copies were delivered to LH.

It's just been disappointing to me how few passenger versions have been sold (rather like the A340 thorn in the side of the A330/340 production line...)

So I'm wondering if the operating costs and efficiency reports of Lufthansa's -8 operation have helped boost interest in the bird, or is that moot anyway, since the A380's, B777's and A350's cut into either end of it's operating niche so much that airlines would rather invest in these other A/C for more flexibility of assignment?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 36640 times:
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Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 9):
Considering the rather anemic sales/deliveries of the passenger version, I'm wonder if Lufthansa/Boeing have released concrete operating costs per seat for the -8 by now?

In terms of fuel burned per 100 passenger kilometers, the 747-8 is around 3.8 liters in LH's current configuration compared to 3.5 liters for the A380-800 (which seats almost 150 more people) and 4.2 liters for the 747-400 (which seats about 18 less people).

Boeing has secured orders from Air China and Arik Air and had a large MoU from Hong Kong Airlines since LH started operations.


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 36639 times:

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 9):

I think I read LH saying something about the 748 having about the same seat mile cost as the 77W? Or did I mix things up, too much information in this modern world! Sitting at work learning Revit, freaking hell things gets confused now everywhere for me. /Rant over


User currently offlinedouglasyxz From Germany, joined Jan 2013, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 36614 times:

Why does LH stick so much with 4-holers whereas all the others are buying twins? Yes, I know EK has 90 A380 on order, but I mean IAG, AF/KLM, SQ, CX, QR and so on.
I like the 748 and I'm happy LH is buying them. But I wonder if it is just a matter of seats or what could be the reason they asked Boeing to build that plane. It is strange that besides of LH no-one has placed significant orders for the passenger model.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 36478 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 8):
I doubt that the presently installed engine has the PIP upgrade already, but hopefully i'm wrong.

Given all the information, I agree it is unlikely that the PIP upgrade has been installed.

During the first 3 months of the year I noticed those 'housings' covering the pylons of RC021. I thought/hoped it had something to do with the PIP update. I never saw those 'housings' on the other frames in rework.


(picture cutted from Matt's flightline picture)

[Edited 2013-04-06 14:32:54]


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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2526 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 36352 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
Boeing has secured orders from Air China and Arik Air and had a large MoU from Hong Kong Airlines since LH started operations.

There was an MOU from Transaero as well IIRC


User currently offlineSSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 36280 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
In terms of fuel burned per 100 passenger kilometers, the 747-8 is around 3.8 liters in LH's current configuration compared to 3.5 liters for the A380-800 (which seats almost 150 more people) and 4.2 liters for the 747-400 (which seats about 18 less people).

A significant difference. 9 ish %? I thought it was supposed to be much better than that. Disappointing for a 747 fan.

The only liability I can see with the 380 is the obligation to fill those 150 seats. Perhaps a few airlines consider not having quite enough seats to cover demand better than having more seats than they can fill?

And, as I suggested, with the 777/350 chipping away at it's mission from below, and the 380 from above, the -8 doesn't have much of a niche to call it's own.

Does it have any advantage?



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1187 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 36225 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 14):
There was an MOU from Transaero as well IIRC

Korean Airlines have some Intercontinental on order.

Juanchito



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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2143 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 36183 times:

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 9):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
Quoting sweair (Reply 11):
Quoting douglasyxz (Reply 12):
Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 15):

This thread is about test flying, F/F flights, actual and future production slots, technical issues and post delivery maintenance of the 747-8 series.

This thread is NOT about the endless 777, A380 and 747-8 comparison and how many have been ordered from each of these aircraft types, the 4 holer versus 2 holer discussion, etc.

There are numerous other threads about this subject.
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 13):
During the first 3 months of the year I noticed those 'housings' covering the pylons of RC021. I thought/hoped it had something to do with the PIP update. I never saw those 'housings' on the other frames in rework.

Original RC021, the second test aircraft, was only partly test wired for cabin and air conditioning related test flights.

Probably these housings were erected to allow installation of additional test wiring in the pylons for the upcoming test of the GEnx-2B PIP engine and the evaluation of the fix of tail tank issue (flutter with one of the pylon attachments of the outerboard engines failed.)

[Edited 2013-04-06 22:26:39]


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User currently offlinejvaljean From Belgium, joined Mar 2013, 69 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 36146 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 17):
This thread is NOT about the endless 777, A380 and 747-8 comparison and how many have been ordered from each of these aircraft types, the 4 holer versus 2 holer discussion, etc.

Thank You for this admonition. It's nice to have a at least one thread completely free from the endless so-called "market analysis" of dilettantes.


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 36132 times:

The PIP2 of the 1B is the same as the first PIP on the 2B? There was an article some years ago saying that GE was thinking about a third PIP(3) for the 787, cleaning of aero around the engine, that would be the second PIP for the 748.

Any news about this? Anyway if they get the engines close to spec, take 10000 pounds of weight out of the frame and get the tail tank to work as a trim tank, I am sure the numbers only will get better. They achieved 5000 pounds of weight reduction already, that will account for some of the improvements. It seems many customers defferred delivery until all these improvements are in the frame.

One question, will they still keep the higher MTOW when they take all that weight out?


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2143 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 36100 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 19):
The PIP2 of the 1B is the same as the first PIP on the 2B?

No, the single PIP for the GEnx-2B contains a few items from the first PIP of the GEnx-1B and almost all items of the second PIP of that engine.
Remember that the original GEnx-2B was certified more than two years later than the original Genx-1B and contained already several of the improvements planned for the PIP1 of the GEnx-1B.

- GEnx-1B series certification date : March 31, 2008
- GEnx-2B series certification date : July 22, 2010
- GEnx-1B/PIP1 series certification date : June 14, 2012

Quoting sweair (Reply 19):
There was an article some years ago saying that GE was thinking about a third PIP(3) for the 787

I also noticed an article about a third GEnx-1B PIP and a second Genx-2B PIP, but is didn't see it mentioned anymore in the last half year.

The weight reduction program seems to be on track, but I doubt that the OEW will come down completely to the original specified OEW in 2008.
As a compensation for this (slight) OEW increase, all presently built airframes are delivered with the option to operate at increased operating weights.
Early built airframes may be modified to the increased operating weight standard.

[Edited 2013-04-07 00:50:53]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 35970 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 17):
Probably these housings were erected to allow installation of additional test wiring in the pylons for the upcoming test of the GEnx-2B PIP engine and the evaluation of the fix of tail tank issue (flutter with one of the pylon attachments of the outerboard engines failed.)

That makes sense, thanks.



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User currently offlineHirnie From Germany, joined May 2004, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 35900 times:

Will all the PIPs coming be available for the early built frames?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 35897 times:

See the previous thread for the answer:

Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #11 (by SA7700 Jan 1 2013 in Civil Aviation) (reply #241)



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7578 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 35836 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 17):
This thread is about test flying, F/F flights, actual and future production slots, technical issues and post delivery maintenance of the 747-8 series.

Any updates on the delivered-but-being-outfitted 748iVVIPs?

Like, anyone know of any photos of interiors being installed, etc? ET of Completion?



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
25 na : Thats always kept secret, I wont be surprised if it takes years before any of these megarich Middeastern clients allows to show even small parts of t
26 Post contains images 7BOEING7 : They're just like the pictures we see of the interior of the 737 BBJ's only much bigger dance floors. All you need is one of those mirror balls. I'm
27 Post contains links KarelXWB : RC554 first flight scheduled for today. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130411/1630Z/KPAE/KMWH
28 Post contains links KarelXWB : First flight was delayed but RC554 made it in the air today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130414/1630Z/KPAE/KMWH
29 Post contains links 747classic : RC573-N770BA performed her first (B1) flight from Paine Field towards Moses Lake at April 15, see : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B.../history/20
30 PHX787 : This looks like about half the clubs i've been in Shibuya. Why is 5Y not taking up these airplanes?
31 Stitch : Officially they were not pleased with the performance due to the higher OEW and the GE engines higher SFC.
32 Post contains links 747classic : More 747-8 news (April 16) : - RC573-N770BA is scheduled to depart to Marana on or about May 16. - RC027 - D-ABYH made it's first commercial flight to
33 PHX787 : Are they waiting for an uprating or something from B or what's going on there?
34 Stitch : As I recall, they did agree to take later builds that had lower OEW and better SFC.
35 Post contains images 747classic : The first 3 airframes (RC571,-2 and -3) for Atlas Air were rejected by the customer and the order for these 3 early built aircraft was cancelled. Off
36 KarelXWB : I was always surprised about the cancellation of those 3 frames. I mean, is there so much difference between RC573 and RC574? Was there a block change
37 Post contains links 747classic : GEnx-2B67 PIP is on track : - flight test at General Electric's testbed N747GE started in February 2013 and 2/3 is already completed. - FAR 33 engine
38 KarelXWB : Let's hope so, this could compensate for the overweight.
39 na : Maybe Boeing themselves? Hopefully this will attract new customers as well. I do not fully understand this text though, it speaks of 1% better-than-e
40 KarelXWB : Boeing already stripped out a lot of weight but I recall Elizabeth Lund saying "the improvements get us very, very close to where we committed to be
41 Post contains links 747classic : RC508 - LX-VCH has filed a flight plan from Paine Field towards Charleson AFB Intl. (KPAE-KCHS) for storage ? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...8
42 KarelXWB : That's odd, why not flying it to Marana where the weather conditions for storage are better?
43 KarelXWB : Matt tweets that RC508 will return next Monday.
44 Post contains images KarelXWB : Found it: The article also says that RC508 will enter revenue service in May. It will not go into storage after all
45 NewYorkCityBoi : Anybody knows if Saudi Arabian Airlines ordered B747-8I too? I saw it on wikipedia but can't find the source.
46 Stitch : I believe they have ordered one or more 747-8 VIP business jets, but they have not to my knowledge ordered the 747-8 for passenger carrying use.
47 Post contains links 747classic : From Thread #11 : Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #11 (by SA7700 Jan 1 2013 in Civil Aviation)#256 Quoting na (Reply 256): D-ABYH then
48 Post contains links KarelXWB : Boeing to reduce the production rate for the 747-8 program from 2 airplanes to 1.75 airplanes per month due to lower market demand. http://boeing.medi
49 Laddie : This makes sense. But 1.75 is an unusual number. It only extends the production 4.5 months (there are 64 airplanes in the backlog). Is that 4.5 month
50 PHX787 : This may be temporary until the 748 version 1.5 comes online (the one with the better engines or whatever was mentioned above that 5Y said they wante
51 Post contains links Laddie : Technically RC508 will go into storage at KPAE for a month as the customer asked for a delivery delay. Handover is now tentatively scheduled for mid-
52 KarelXWB : You are right, I had another definition of 'storage' in my mind.
53 KarelXWB : Boeing is evaluating the VLA market from "month to month". Therefore they don't want to cut production to 1.5 per month (or even lower) at this point
54 KarelXWB : RC582 made its first flight yesterday but the flight was diverted.
55 Post contains links KarelXWB : RC572 first flight today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE572
56 na : Pretty odd, now there are two "Thüringen" in LHs fleet! That must be a first! I just returned from Mumbai two hours ago - tuesday around 8.30 am - w
57 KarelXWB : Yes maintenance of Lufthansa Technik is amazing.
58 na : Anyone knows when D-ABTF will be retired? How long will two "Thüringen" fly for LH?
59 Someone83 : No deliveres in April?
60 KarelXWB : Both RC554 and RC582 were in the air yesterday but I'm not sure if it were customers flights.
61 Post contains links and images 747classic : Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (May 01 - 2013) Both deliveries of RC554 and RC582 have slipped into May, probably due a combination of the
62 Post contains images someone83 : Today's update from Boeing is showing five 747s cancellations
63 Post contains links Laddie : Boeing booked cancellation of 5 747-8s in April. No customer(s) listed. http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
64 na : How sad. The last 5 freighters on order for DAE perhaps?
65 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Correct. Boeing confirms Dubai Aerospace Enterprise has canceled the last five of its 747-8Fs on order. I'm afraid we will never see this livery on th
66 Post contains links Laddie : Confirmed by Boeing. The bust in real estate has doomed DAE, so this cancellation is not a surprise. DAE cancelled all their orders with Airbus in 20
67 Post contains links KarelXWB : This page is more accurate: http://active.boeing.com/commercial/...lModel=747&ViewReportF=View+Report
68 Post contains images 747classic : When using the user defined order report feature at the Boeing website, the DAE order is no longer listed :
69 Stitch : Alas, you never would have even if they had taken delivery as all of DAE's 747-8s were originally ordered by EK SkyCargo. EK then resold the 10 frame
70 KarelXWB : I didn't know that, thanks.
71 Post contains links Laddie : Ostrower just tweeted info about Etihad leasing a 747-8F from Atlas. http://www.abudhabicityguide.com/new...newsid=12199&newstype=Local%20News
72 Post contains images someone83 : It will look good in Etihad's colours Do we know which aircraft it will be? (LN please, and not the stupid RC-something codes)
73 KarelXWB : I assume it will be LN 1476, perhaps this is the reason of the delivery delay.
74 na : Perhaps, but isnt that painted in Atlas livery already? Why would they have done that if a deal was being finalised requiring a clients livery? Or co
75 747classic : All nine 747-8F aircraft, ordered by Atlas Air, have already been fully painted. The 9th (and last) Atlas Air 747-8F (L/N1476-RC582) still present at
76 KarelXWB : Correct, maybe Atlas Air found a customer at the very last moment. That's another possibility indeed.
77 Laddie : Maybe this was another reason why Boeing recently slowed down their rate from 2/month to 1.75/month? Surely they knew this DAE cancellation was comin
78 jvaljean : Apr. 30/May 1 was likely a milestone in the contractual timeline for making a progress payment to proceed or terminating the contract.
79 cargolex : Almost all aircraft lessors have "liveries" - but these liveries only appear on mock-ups, never on actual planes. So you probably won't ever see a le
80 KarelXWB : Korean Air has indicated that it will defer its next two 747-8 freighters until its next fiscal year, which begins in April 2014 (source: The Seattle
81 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : RC553 has moved and RC021 is at the fuel dock, I assume the refurbishment on those 2 frames is now completed. It's a bit of a strange sight to see a 7
82 Post contains links 747classic : At the same flight line picture, mentioned in reply 81, you can see two unpainted 747-8 freighters (one at the fuel dock and one at the right-hand sid
83 Post contains links KarelXWB : Delivery flight of RC554: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...7/history/20130508/0000Z/KPAE/VHHH
84 Post contains links KarelXWB : The above flight has been removed from Flightaware, delivery flight cancelled I assume? Better picture here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/871952
85 Post contains images Laddie : RC554 is at the new Everett Delivery Center this morning.[Edited 2013-05-08 07:16:40][Edited 2013-05-08 07:18:16][Edited 2013-05-08 07:27:42] [Edited
86 Post contains links KarelXWB : Here it is again: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...7/history/20130508/2200Z/KPAE/VHHH Cool, thanks for sharing that picture!
87 Post contains links 747classic : L/N1475 -RC028 just airborne from Paine Field for here first (B1) flight towards Moses Lake with callsign BOE028 : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/
88 nyc777 : Well you can check RC554 as officially delivered. Nearing 50 747-8 deliveries. Hopefully it'll get a few more orders.
89 Laddie : For the record, RC554 was handed over to Cathay Pacific on 8 May. Next up is RC508 on 15 May, followed by RC582 the next day. Those dates are subject
90 KarelXWB : What is the target for RC028?
91 Laddie : The end of May for delivery. The fly-away date is TBA.
92 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : RC572 is in paint. Check the 747 in the background. (picture taken by moonm)[Edited 2013-05-11 02:31:09]
93 Post contains links 747classic : Due the temporally update stop of Matt Cawby's KPAE blog (due relocation) , we missed the latest actual F/F and delivery flight pictures. Luckily Russ
94 Laddie : Tentatively scheduled for a mid-June handover to the customer.
95 Post contains links 747classic : LX-VCH is scheduled for delivery today. According Matt Cawby's twitter, the aircraft is already parked at the delivery center, see : https://twitter.c
96 Post contains images Laddie : Yes, she is.
97 Post contains links and images 747classic : LX-VCH-RC508 Delivery flight arrived at Luxembourg from Paine Field, via Seattle-Tacoma. LX-VCH , Landing RW06, ELLX/LUX, May 16 2013. Original upload
98 Post contains images Laddie : RC582 at the EDC on a rainy day in Everett:
99 KarelXWB : It think that's RC583 because RC582 is in paint.[Edited 2013-05-16 06:48:11]
100 Post contains links and images cargolex : RC573, not 582. View Large View MediumPhoto © A. Kwanten
101 Post contains links KarelXWB : RC572 is in the air again: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20130516/1630Z/KPAE/KPAE Argg, I meant to say RC573 and not RC583!
102 cargolex : 582 is up at the tower apron, or was on Monday. It'll be interesting to see if that is the aircraft that gets painted into Etihad Cargo colors instead
103 Laddie : Oops. You're right. RC573 is back at the EDC today. RC582 is parked on the south apron. She was delivered yesterday, and will fly to storage soon. RC
104 Post contains links 747classic : RC582-N855GT has been official delivered and listed at the FAA Registry at May 16 with the new owner : Atlas Air Inc. See : http://registry.faa.gov/a
105 Laddie : I think Boeing is going to use her for some testing, then she goes into storage at the end of June.
106 KarelXWB : BTW thanks for those pictures Laddie, I appreciate it.
107 Post contains links KarelXWB : And here is the delivery flight of RC582: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/G...4/history/20130518/1400Z/KPAE/KAMA Landed 50 minutes ago in AMA.[Edi
108 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : RC028 back from a test flight today. Picture taken by David Parker Brown from the AirlineReporter blog who currently is visiting PAE:
109 Post contains links 747classic : L/N1478-RC509 performed here first (B1) flight from Paine Field towards Moses Lake, see : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...9/history/20130520/15
110 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Today, RC021 will test fly the tail fuel tank. [Edited 2013-05-20 13:24:17]
111 Post contains links KarelXWB : And RC021 is in the air! http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130520/1630Z/KPAE/KMWH
112 tortugamon : So do you think they will be pumping fuel from one tank to the other and maybe completing some flutter testing as well? Anything else? Boeing's tweet
113 KarelXWB : There are 3 tests to be completed: > Tail fuel tank > FBW software update > Engine upgrade I'm however not sure if RC021 is already equipped
114 tortugamon : Thanks Karel. Boeing just tweeted again that the improvement are to verify better fuel efficiency. Although they could be testing the fuel tank and s
115 Revelation : Fixed that for you!
116 KarelXWB : Here are the tweets from Glenn Farley: I know that the GEnx-2B PIP should improve fuel efficiency by 1.8 percent. So it seems like RC021 is equipped w
117 Post contains links 747classic : According an article from Guy Norris (Aviation Week) about the GEnx updates , published April 15, at least part (if not all four) of the engines insta
118 Laddie : Boeing press release about RC021 certification flight: Boeing Begins Certification Testing on 747-8 Performance Improvements Performance package impro
119 na : Thanks for posting. So 1,5% improvements in the first two years, 1,8% now. So can we expect a 2020 model year 748(F) will cut off another 5% at least?
120 Post contains images hannahpa : Does this mean that we could see more sales of the -8I in the future once Lufthansa shares their latest figures for fuel efficiency? With the new PIP2
121 Post contains links ADent : Buy new engines and you get it all. http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....l/AW_04_15_2013_p42-567125.xml&p=2 lists " an all-new low-pressure tur
122 747classic : Technical it's possible to upgrade the standard GEnx-2B67(B) engine to the PIP standard by changing some modules of the engine. during an engine over
123 KarelXWB : I don't expect to see another PIP for the engine. Boeing will probably strip out more weight from the airframe but another 5% improvement sounds too
124 747classic : I have a different opinion on this subject : General Electric will certainly improve the GEnx-1B/P2 in the near future with a PIP3, because the 787 w
125 Revelation : Indeed correct. I imagine the 'effective' fan diameter increase is due to improved aerodynamics?
126 Post contains links and images 747classic : Here is a nice aerial picture of RC572 / HZ-AI4 in her new livery, to be operated by Saudia Cargo. At the same picture RC028 / D-ABYI is taxiing out f
127 KarelXWB : Makes sense.
128 Post contains links KarelXWB : RC030 / LN 1480 for Lufthansa emerged from the final assembly line. http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8810738856/ (look for the 747 in the background
129 Post contains links and images Cargolex : Atlas Air's newest two 747-8Fs have joined the DB: RC582: View Large View MediumPhoto © A. Kwanten RC581: View Large View MediumPhoto © Marcus Liebi
130 Post contains images KarelXWB : Can't wait to see the Etihad livery on the 748
131 Cargolex : I was hoping 855 would be painted up in EY Cargo livery before delivery - because that'll be a spectacular looking plane and I wanted to catch it wit
132 Post contains images PHX787 : Can't wait to get back to CVG to see these beasts!
133 747classic : The aircraft is repainted at Amarillo, Texas, this is not the other side of the world from Seattle.
134 Cargolex : True enough, but time, time, time.
135 Post contains links 747classic : ATT. Miami Spotters The first Lufthansa 747-8 (D-ABYF) is heading to Miami (KMIA) today. See DLH462 : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...2/history
136 Newark727 : Hey, any word on l/n 1421, JA11KZ? Should be being refurbished right now, correct?
137 747classic : NCA doesn't need any additional aircraft at the moment, seen the present difficult cargo market, so probably the refurbishment at Lackland AFB, San A
138 Post contains images wilco737 : D-ABYI has arrived in FRA! And now it will get the LH Technik changes and will fly in a couple of weeks. Welcome home. wilco737
139 KarelXWB : Any idea on the flight number?
140 Post contains images wilco737 : Usually something with DLH99** or so. Only on my cell, cannot check. It arrived around 9:40 am in FRA. wilco737
141 747classic : This was the 50th 747-8 delivery.................................................... No flight observed at FlightAware or Flightradar24. (the last tw
142 Laddie : From today's Aviation Daily: Singapore Airlines (SIA) has decided to ground one more of its Boeing 747-400 freighters at a desert in California, and d
143 na : Not good. I assume it will be the second BCF that will be parked and not a factorybuilt freighter (the first one parked is also a BCF).
144 Post contains images wilco737 : My mistake. MIxed up the dates. It is departing Seattle today on May 29th and arrives in FRA on the 30th. Sorry for the mixup. Flight number: DLH9925
145 Post contains links and images 747classic : Yes, probably L/N1070 - S/N 26554 - 9V-SCB - the only remaining 747-412BCF in the SQ cargo fleet will be stored. View Large View MediumPhoto © Basti
146 Post contains links 747classic : See the official Boeing press release : http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2685 And : http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.as...5cc559-
147 Post contains links and images wilco737 : A little over 3 hours and she will be in FRA, ETA 08:40 UTC. D-ABYI almost home. http://fr24.com/DLH9925 wilco737
148 Post contains images KPDX : Haha, neat. The 747-8 is being trailed behind by a company A380, at the moment.
149 Post contains images wilco737 : I guess they are both flying about the same speed. Or they should fly next to each other (different levels of course) and make a photo shooting. That
150 Hirnie : Does anybody know when the next 8i will be delivered to LH?
151 747classic : Delivery date of D-ABYJ (RC029) is still scheduled before or at June 30 2013.
152 Post contains links 747classic : At last : Matt Cawby's KPAE blog is back on line, so we can get again more recent flight line pictures to update our database. Emerged from the assemb
153 KarelXWB : There was another 748 in the air in San Bernardino yesterday, I'm trying to find out which one that was.
154 Post contains links 747classic : RC021, with call sign BOE21, is since May 26 at San Bernadino (KSBD) for test flights, see : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/2013052
155 KarelXWB : Ah of course, thank you.
156 Post contains links KarelXWB : Ferry flight SKF-PAE later today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130531/1600Z/KSKF/KPAE
157 Post contains links and images 747classic : ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Provisional 747-8 Airc
158 PHX787 : Thanks for the updates Peter.....how many 5Y units were NTU? What happens to those order allocations, are they reserved for later orders?
159 Post contains links and images Cargolex : D-ABYI joins the DB: View Large View MediumPhoto © A. Kwanten
160 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : It seems that RC030 is now inside the 40-24 building (the 787 surge line is in here). The picture was taken by Matt Camby and a larger variant can be
161 Stitch : And that certainly looks like another 747-8 behind her. How much of Building 40-24 is taken up with the surge line? Or are they only using the first
162 tortugamon : Weird. It looks like an Aeromexico and an ANA bird are on that line in station #2 and #3 in addition to ZB001 at station #1. Wonder how they are fitt
163 Post contains images KarelXWB : Here is a picture of the 40-24 building with 4 787 aircraft inside it: Unfortunately it's not high-res but I also found this: So there are 2 slant po
164 Post contains links KarelXWB : I now wonder if that's an 747 tail? The next 747 on the assembly line (LN 1482 for ABC) should not have a dark blue rudder. It more looks like an ANA
165 Someone83 : That is definately not a 747 tail, but a 787 tail
166 Post contains links Laddie : Not good words for fans of the 747-8 Intercontinental from Lufthansa's CEO: (http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/awx_06_03_2013_p
167 Post contains links Stitch : He was evidently misquoted in that article. Per this Bloomberg article, he was speaking of the remaining 747-400 replacements planned for the 2020s.
168 Post contains links Laddie : Operational perspective of flying the 747-8F: http://www.nycaviation.com/2013/05/a...ctive-of-the-b747-8f/#.UazVT3dNSzE Don't both articles say the sa
169 Post contains links Stitch : Herr Franz was not speaking about freighter replacements, but passenger replacements - A340-300, A340-600 and 747-400. Aviation Week ran an article o
170 Post contains links KarelXWB : Two 747 skin panels were unloaded from the Antonov freighter: http://paineairport.com/kpae6314.htm http://paineairport.com/kpae6315.htm
171 kanban : This is becoming too frequent an occurrence, too frequent to be a passenger to freighter manufacturing position swap. 747classic or Stitch, have eith
172 Stitch : Vought builds most of the 747-8 fuselage, including those two parts, at their factory in Grand Prairie, Texas (outside Dallas) and then are delivered
173 Post contains links KarelXWB : Here is a better picture of RC548: http://paineairport.com/kpae6326.htm
174 Post contains links 747classic : The first two panels, manufactured by Triumph Aerostructures (former Vought aircraft Industries) in Grand Prairie Texas, arrived at Paine Field at Feb
175 Post contains links 747classic : RC572, the second 747-8F to be operated by Saudia Cargo, seems to be almost ready for a June delivery. See picture of RC572, after a customer flight,
176 Post contains links and images 747classic : Nice 747-8 tail line up at the KPAE flight line at June 06. From back to front : L/N1432, RC 572, Saudia Cargo #2 L/N1477, RC 029, Lufthansa #8 L/N147
177 Post contains links KarelXWB : RC030 went to paint, here is a picture taken by Matt: http://paineairport.com/kpae6332.htm
178 Post contains links 747classic : RC021/N6067U is still performing test flights out of San Bernadino for verifying the performance of the updated GEnx-2B67/P engines and the tail tank
179 Post contains links 747classic : Attention MIA spotters : N855GT has been flown to Miami in full Etihad Cargo livery, see : http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/n855gt http://f
180 Post contains links and images KPDX : Beautiful video of Lufthansa 463 departing Miami during a storm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQbQstP-7kQ
181 Post contains links 747classic : RC553 / B-LJC is slowly emerging from here engine less winter-sleep at the KPAE flight line, see : http://paineairport.com/kpae6341.htm All engines ha
182 KarelXWB : RC553 had its 4 engines attached 2 months ago.
183 Post contains links KarelXWB : Picture here: http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BMOfmoyCYAAmrax.jpg
184 Post contains links 747classic : RC029 / D-ABYJ filed a flight plan for a first (B1) flight towards Moses Lake at June 8 with call sign BOE29, however the aircraft only performed some
185 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Finally on its way this morning: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE29
186 Laddie : Boeing's 2013-2032 Current Market Outlook has been released to the public. "Air cargo contracted by 1.5 percent in 2012. Expansion of emerging-market
187 Post contains links and images 747classic : Beautiful picture of LX-VCI (N775BA), returning to Paine Field after a test flight, June 11 2013. Original uploaded by Matt Cawby, see for other sizes
188 na : Interesting, any reason why its not symmetric? Still an impressive number not really justified by the current order backlog. In the past 15 years we
189 Post contains links KarelXWB : Here is a nice picture of RC521: http://paineairport.com/kpae6377.htm
190 Post contains links KarelXWB : RC030 is now in paint: http://paineairport.com/kpae6372.htm I believe this is also the last intercontinental before the block change at the end of the
191 Post contains links KarelXWB : RC525 first flight today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20130615/1630Z/KPAE/KMWH
192 Post contains links KarelXWB : Here are some nice pictures of RC572: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/9043416514/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/9043415206/
193 Post contains links KarelXWB : Seems like the rail problems aren't solved yet: http://paineairport.com/kpae6393.htm
194 Post contains links seahawks7757 : Was actually a really good day at PAE for once yesterday, here is BOE 525 doing a high speed after it's test flight! http://www.flickr.com/photos/seah
195 Laddie : Ostrower tweeted today that Korean Airlines added 5 Intercontinentals to their order. If true, then it's good to finally have another order.
196 Post contains links 747classic : The purchase commitment for 5 additional 747-8I's is confirmed at the Boeing site , see : http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2712
197 Post contains links 747classic : RC021/N6067U has completed the flight tests in San Bernadino (KSBD) and has been ferried to Moses Lake (KMWH) for additional low altitude testing, see
198 Post contains links Laddie : RC525 flew from PAE to SEA: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20130619/1530Z/KPAE/KSEA And then right back again: http://flightaware.co
199 NYC777 : I'd have to question the sanity of anyone wearing an overcoat during summer, even if it's in Washington State.
200 Laddie : LOL. But in Seattle it's cloudy, cool, with some showers today. Definitely overcoat weather! Summer usually doesn't arrive in Seattle until after the
201 clickhappy : The second 748f for Saudia has been pushed aside and into storage. Same with the Uzbek 763.
202 KarelXWB : Storage? I thought the second Saudia would be delivered this month?
203 Post contains links 747classic : Project Ozark. According Guy Norris (Aviation Week) Boeing is studying further weight savings to lower the OEW and additional aerodynamic tweaks in a
204 Post contains images Ronaldo747 : Sounds very interesting, nice to see that Boeing will not give up the Queen of the Sky. However, I fear that Boeing needs to stretch the range to abou
205 kanban : I wonder if the continuous air shipping of side and crown panels are related to the incorporation of some gross weight reductions in these areas that
206 CCA : I'm surprised the -8 still has two pneumatic power units for the one leading edge group between the engine pylons. The two units were required when th
207 Post contains images Stitch : Maybe EK will finally order it. Honestly, the 747-8 doesn't need more range to sell. She needs lower Trip Costs.
208 Post contains links KarelXWB : According to Matt Camby, RC509 will be ferried to Marana on Friday. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/347947167429828608
209 Post contains links and images 747classic : Here are some rare pictures of the 747-8F simulator of Cathay Pacific : Original uploaded by MattC747, see for other sizes : http://www.flickr.com/pho
210 Post contains links KarelXWB : And here is the flight path: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...9/history/20130621/1500Z/KPAE/KMZJ
211 Post contains links KarelXWB : I believe RC029 was up for a customer flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...9/history/20130622/1600Z/KPAE/KMWH
212 Post contains links KarelXWB : RC553 first flight today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...3/history/20130623/1800Z/KPAE/KMWH
213 Post contains links and images 747classic : B1 flight of RC553 / B-LJC , KPAE, June 23, 2013. This early built airframe has been stored for a long time and needs some TLC, especially at the out
214 KarelXWB : You can also see two unpainted 747 aircraft in the pictures of Roy Yang. One is one the flightline, the other at the fuel dock. I guess these 2 are RC
215 Post contains links 747classic : RC029 / D-ABYJ seems to have been accepted ahead of schedule (June 30) by Lufthansa, because a delivery flight has been filed today (June 25) with ca
216 KarelXWB : Any updates on the firing order? I wonder who will get LN 1500.
217 Laddie : Lufthansa is due for another one of their Intercontinentals. Just a hunch.[Edited 2013-06-25 21:21:58]
218 Post contains images wilco737 : Exactly. It is on its way to FRA and should arrive around 9 UTC. Another great airplane within the fleet. Maybe replacement for the cancelled frame w
219 Post contains links 747classic : RC029 departed for the delivery flight to FRA / EDDF. After departure the aircraft returned to Paine Field for a low pass before heading again for the
220 Post contains images wilco737 : Looks like my co-workers had some fun here Nice picture. wilco737
221 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Few more pictures: Pictures were taken by XFW-Spotter http://www.flickr.com/photos/xfwspotter/
222 tortugamon : I hope this makes LH a ton of money. Good for them. tortugamon
223 Post contains images wilco737 : Yes, I hope that too. But a big order is supposed to happen in the next couple of months. But not decided what exactly. Rumours say 777X. But maybe s
224 Post contains images tortugamon : I hear you. I am similarly doubtful. But it should not take too long for you to train for a 787-10 or 777-9X I assume. Less than a week? Fingers cros
225 MEA-707 : This was the last one of the early frames which hasn't flown yet, right? So this means that all 747s until l/n 1479 had their first flights.
226 KarelXWB : Correct, all early frames have flown and there is nothing left in storage.
227 Post contains links KarelXWB : Video: Livery Painting of Etihad Cargo Boeing 747-8F Wide-Body Freighter: http://youtu.be/QdawSCDU9u4
228 Post contains images 7BOEING7 : Looks like they were smart enough to be in landing configuration so they won't get the bad publicity CAT got.
229 Post contains links and images 747classic : The latest arrival from the assembly line (L/N1482, ABC#5) seems to have left the assembly line without engines. At the picture below you can notice t
230 KarelXWB : When is it slated for delivery? ABC #4 is currently being stored in Pinal Airpark, maybe RC605 will be temporary stored around PAE?
231 747classic : RC605 will go into storage (at KPAE, with no engines installed ?) and is tentatively scheduled for delivery in December 2013, according the latest in
232 KarelXWB : That makes sense. The engine upgrade should be available at the end of the year. So instead of flying it to the dessert, they keep it around PAE witho
233 Post contains links 747classic : RC021, the current 747-8I test aircraft for testing several product improvements, is heading for a nice (test) holiday in the carribean after completi
234 clickhappy : On it's way to Peru.
235 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : SVA its way home: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SVA9019
236 KarelXWB : "FlightAware couldn't find flight tracking data for SVA9019 just yet." Was the flight canceled?
237 Post contains links 747classic : The flight plan of RC572 / HZ-AI4 was cancelled. Sister-ship RC573 is again participating at the flight test program and has been send to Glasgow Ind
238 Laddie : Engines are scheduled to be installed in July, and then RC605 is scheduled to go into storage at Pinal Airpark later in the summer.
239 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Going to try again today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SVA9019
240 Post contains links and images Laddie : RC572 is scheduled to leave KPAE for good today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SVA9019
241 Post contains links KarelXWB : And airborne: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...9/history/20130628/1900Z/KPAE/OEJN Here is another nice picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moo
242 Post contains links KarelXWB : Jon Ostrower has made some nice pictures of LH RC028 (including cabin shots), go check it out http://www.flickr.com/photos/flightblogger
243 Post contains links and images 747classic : Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (July 01 - 2013) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
244 Post contains images KarelXWB : And there it is! And it goes to LH, not really a surprise.
245 Post contains links KarelXWB : RC028 / D-ABYI entered service on 19 June and has been named "Potsdam". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam Picture here: http://www.flickr.com/photo
246 Post contains images wilco737 : No Surprise indeed. But happy to hear Looks like most of the 748 of LH will get names of the old eastern Germany part. Only Badem- Württemberg is th
247 Post contains links and images wilco737 : And this thread is getting a little long, so please continue with part 13: Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #13 (by wilco737 Jul 1 2013
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