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Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #12  
User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 37618 times:
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And this is part 12 as part 11 was getting a little longer.

Here again the link to part 11:

Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #11 (by SA7700 Jan 1 2013 in Civil Aviation)

And now continue and have fun.

Thanks.


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7401 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 37457 times:

From the last thread:
[quote:747classic]Latest info : Estimated delivery dates for the next 2 months :

LN1438--- RC554-- Cathay #4-----B-LJD------ 23 April
LN1476--- RC582-- Atlas Air #9--- N855GT---30 April
LN1473--- RC508-- Cargolux #8 --LX-VCH----13 May
LN1475--- RC028-- Lufthansa #7--D-ABYI---- 29 May
[/quote]

Sucks I can't catch the 5Y delivery but I guess I'll see the CX Cargo in NRT someday  
Anyone have more updates on KZ? As I stated earlier their fleet is relatively new, and I thought they were taking the 748s for network expansion.



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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 37313 times:

The next Lufthansa 747-8 Intercontinental (L/N1477, RC029, D-ABYJ) emerged from the Final Assembly Line and can be observed for the first time on a very nice aerial picture of the Everett Flight line at Matt Cawby's KPAE blog ( Thanks Matt ).

Look for the most righthand 747-8, unpainted with dark blue rudders, at this picture :
http://paineairport.com/kpae6190.htm

On the same picture the following 747-8 aircraft are visible (from Left to Right) : RC508, RC554, RC573, RC582, RC572 and RC029 .



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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 582 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 37086 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
Anyone have more updates on KZ?

RC522: delivered 20 December 2012
RC523: delivered 25 July 2012
RC524: flown to storage at KMZJ on 1 March 2013.
RC525: in final assembly, due to roll out by the end of April.
RC526 - RC528: have not started final assembly yet.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 36972 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
LN1475--- RC028-- Lufthansa #7--D-ABYI---- 29 May

Anybody know why the delivery of RC028 slipped a whole month?



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User currently offlinemattcawby From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 206 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 36764 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 2):
The next Lufthansa 747-8 Intercontinental (L/N1477, RC029, D-ABYJ) emerged from the Final Assembly Line

Here is a better picture:

http://paineairport.com/kpae6202.htm



Skyline Photography
User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 36731 times:

Quoting mattcawby (Reply 5):

Man does that look sharp, its wings, engines. I have grown to like the 748 more with time, it looks powerful.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 36538 times:

RC021 has its first engine installed, see http://paineairport.com/kpae6192.htm. And RC553 now has all its 4 engines installed.

The refurbishment program is coming to an end. I'm also wondering if that engine on RC021 is already having the PIP upgrade.



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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 36431 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 7):
I'm also wondering if that engine on RC021 is already having the PIP upgrade.

I doubt that the presently installed engine has the PIP upgrade already, but hopefully i'm wrong.

FAR Part 33 certification for the GEnx-2B PIP engine was original scheduled for April 2013.

According the following article of December 2012 about the GEnx-1B PIP 1 and 2 program, the GEnx-2B PIP certification had already slipped into mid 2013 and AFAIK no test flights have been performed at the GE 747 testbed up to now.
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...genx-1b-boeing-787-slips-next-year

Additional to this delay : the prolonged grounding of the 787, effectively arresting the tests for engine/airframe certification (FAR part 25) of the preceding GEnx1B/PIP2, could have a negative effect on the time line of the GEnx-2B/PIP certification.



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User currently offlineSSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 36395 times:

I don't follow this thread much, but I am assuming that those of you who do would be most qualified and most enthusiastic to answer this question.

Considering the rather anemic sales/deliveries of the passenger version, I'm wonder if Lufthansa/Boeing have released concrete operating costs per seat for the -8 by now? Those stats, it seems to me, would be the one bright light, or final nail in the coffin of this A/C, which, if nothing else, I think is incredibly beautiful.

Originally, Boeing had been specifying he -8 as more efficient per seat mile than the A380, as I recall., while Airbus had been specifying the reverse. What has turned out to be the case? In addition, I believe the under-floor cargo capacity and layout of the Boeing A/C were supposed to be selling points. I also am not in the loop (forgive me) if the weight has been brought down since the first copies were delivered to LH.

It's just been disappointing to me how few passenger versions have been sold (rather like the A340 thorn in the side of the A330/340 production line...)

So I'm wondering if the operating costs and efficiency reports of Lufthansa's -8 operation have helped boost interest in the bird, or is that moot anyway, since the A380's, B777's and A350's cut into either end of it's operating niche so much that airlines would rather invest in these other A/C for more flexibility of assignment?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30884 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 36387 times:
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Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 9):
Considering the rather anemic sales/deliveries of the passenger version, I'm wonder if Lufthansa/Boeing have released concrete operating costs per seat for the -8 by now?

In terms of fuel burned per 100 passenger kilometers, the 747-8 is around 3.8 liters in LH's current configuration compared to 3.5 liters for the A380-800 (which seats almost 150 more people) and 4.2 liters for the 747-400 (which seats about 18 less people).

Boeing has secured orders from Air China and Arik Air and had a large MoU from Hong Kong Airlines since LH started operations.


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 36386 times:

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 9):

I think I read LH saying something about the 748 having about the same seat mile cost as the 77W? Or did I mix things up, too much information in this modern world! Sitting at work learning Revit, freaking hell things gets confused now everywhere for me. /Rant over


User currently offlinedouglasyxz From Germany, joined Jan 2013, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 36361 times:

Why does LH stick so much with 4-holers whereas all the others are buying twins? Yes, I know EK has 90 A380 on order, but I mean IAG, AF/KLM, SQ, CX, QR and so on.
I like the 748 and I'm happy LH is buying them. But I wonder if it is just a matter of seats or what could be the reason they asked Boeing to build that plane. It is strange that besides of LH no-one has placed significant orders for the passenger model.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 36225 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 8):
I doubt that the presently installed engine has the PIP upgrade already, but hopefully i'm wrong.

Given all the information, I agree it is unlikely that the PIP upgrade has been installed.

During the first 3 months of the year I noticed those 'housings' covering the pylons of RC021. I thought/hoped it had something to do with the PIP update. I never saw those 'housings' on the other frames in rework.


(picture cutted from Matt's flightline picture)

[Edited 2013-04-06 14:32:54]


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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2510 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 36099 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
Boeing has secured orders from Air China and Arik Air and had a large MoU from Hong Kong Airlines since LH started operations.

There was an MOU from Transaero as well IIRC


User currently offlineSSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 36027 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
In terms of fuel burned per 100 passenger kilometers, the 747-8 is around 3.8 liters in LH's current configuration compared to 3.5 liters for the A380-800 (which seats almost 150 more people) and 4.2 liters for the 747-400 (which seats about 18 less people).

A significant difference. 9 ish %? I thought it was supposed to be much better than that. Disappointing for a 747 fan.

The only liability I can see with the 380 is the obligation to fill those 150 seats. Perhaps a few airlines consider not having quite enough seats to cover demand better than having more seats than they can fill?

And, as I suggested, with the 777/350 chipping away at it's mission from below, and the 380 from above, the -8 doesn't have much of a niche to call it's own.

Does it have any advantage?



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 35972 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 14):
There was an MOU from Transaero as well IIRC

Korean Airlines have some Intercontinental on order.

Juanchito



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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 35930 times:

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 9):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
Quoting sweair (Reply 11):
Quoting douglasyxz (Reply 12):
Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 15):

This thread is about test flying, F/F flights, actual and future production slots, technical issues and post delivery maintenance of the 747-8 series.

This thread is NOT about the endless 777, A380 and 747-8 comparison and how many have been ordered from each of these aircraft types, the 4 holer versus 2 holer discussion, etc.

There are numerous other threads about this subject.
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 13):
During the first 3 months of the year I noticed those 'housings' covering the pylons of RC021. I thought/hoped it had something to do with the PIP update. I never saw those 'housings' on the other frames in rework.

Original RC021, the second test aircraft, was only partly test wired for cabin and air conditioning related test flights.

Probably these housings were erected to allow installation of additional test wiring in the pylons for the upcoming test of the GEnx-2B PIP engine and the evaluation of the fix of tail tank issue (flutter with one of the pylon attachments of the outerboard engines failed.)

[Edited 2013-04-06 22:26:39]


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User currently offlinejvaljean From Belgium, joined Mar 2013, 69 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 35893 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 17):
This thread is NOT about the endless 777, A380 and 747-8 comparison and how many have been ordered from each of these aircraft types, the 4 holer versus 2 holer discussion, etc.

Thank You for this admonition. It's nice to have a at least one thread completely free from the endless so-called "market analysis" of dilettantes.


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1817 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 35879 times:

The PIP2 of the 1B is the same as the first PIP on the 2B? There was an article some years ago saying that GE was thinking about a third PIP(3) for the 787, cleaning of aero around the engine, that would be the second PIP for the 748.

Any news about this? Anyway if they get the engines close to spec, take 10000 pounds of weight out of the frame and get the tail tank to work as a trim tank, I am sure the numbers only will get better. They achieved 5000 pounds of weight reduction already, that will account for some of the improvements. It seems many customers defferred delivery until all these improvements are in the frame.

One question, will they still keep the higher MTOW when they take all that weight out?


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 35847 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 19):
The PIP2 of the 1B is the same as the first PIP on the 2B?

No, the single PIP for the GEnx-2B contains a few items from the first PIP of the GEnx-1B and almost all items of the second PIP of that engine.
Remember that the original GEnx-2B was certified more than two years later than the original Genx-1B and contained already several of the improvements planned for the PIP1 of the GEnx-1B.

- GEnx-1B series certification date : March 31, 2008
- GEnx-2B series certification date : July 22, 2010
- GEnx-1B/PIP1 series certification date : June 14, 2012

Quoting sweair (Reply 19):
There was an article some years ago saying that GE was thinking about a third PIP(3) for the 787

I also noticed an article about a third GEnx-1B PIP and a second Genx-2B PIP, but is didn't see it mentioned anymore in the last half year.

The weight reduction program seems to be on track, but I doubt that the OEW will come down completely to the original specified OEW in 2008.
As a compensation for this (slight) OEW increase, all presently built airframes are delivered with the option to operate at increased operating weights.
Early built airframes may be modified to the increased operating weight standard.

[Edited 2013-04-07 00:50:53]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 35717 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 17):
Probably these housings were erected to allow installation of additional test wiring in the pylons for the upcoming test of the GEnx-2B PIP engine and the evaluation of the fix of tail tank issue (flutter with one of the pylon attachments of the outerboard engines failed.)

That makes sense, thanks.



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User currently offlineHirnie From Germany, joined May 2004, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 35647 times:

Will all the PIPs coming be available for the early built frames?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 35644 times:

See the previous thread for the answer:

Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #11 (by SA7700 Jan 1 2013 in Civil Aviation) (reply #241)



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7401 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 35583 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 17):
This thread is about test flying, F/F flights, actual and future production slots, technical issues and post delivery maintenance of the 747-8 series.

Any updates on the delivered-but-being-outfitted 748iVVIPs?

Like, anyone know of any photos of interiors being installed, etc? ET of Completion?



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10679 posts, RR: 9
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 35494 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 24):
Any updates on the delivered-but-being-outfitted 748iVVIPs?

Like, anyone know of any photos of interiors being installed, etc? ET of Completion?

Thats always kept secret, I wont be surprised if it takes years before any of these megarich Middeastern clients allows to show even small parts of the interior of his plane. Dont expect anything popping up soon, I dont even think that any BBJ has much of its interior already installed. The first VVIP 748 likely wont be ready to serve before 2014.


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 26, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 35416 times:

Quoting na (Reply 25):
Thats always kept secret, I wont be surprised if it takes years before any of these megarich Middeastern clients allows to show even small parts of the interior of his plane. Dont expect anything popping up soon, I dont even think that any BBJ has much of its interior already installed.

They're just like the pictures we see of the interior of the 737 BBJ's only much bigger dance floors.





All you need is one of those mirror balls. I'm guessing those FAA mandated railings were removed as soon as the airplane was delivered.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 27, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 35250 times:

RC554 first flight scheduled for today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130411/1630Z/KPAE/KMWH



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 28, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 34725 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 27):
RC554 first flight scheduled for today.

First flight was delayed but RC554 made it in the air today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130414/1630Z/KPAE/KMWH



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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 29, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 34229 times:

RC573-N770BA performed her first (B1) flight from Paine Field towards Moses Lake at April 15, see : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B.../history/20130415/2200Z/KPAE/KMWH.

The aircraft will probably be stored, because this aircraft was rejected by Atlas Air and has no new customer up to now.
See Matt Cawby's KPAE blog : http://paineairport.com/kpae6225.htm

Aircraft data : L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #3, white livery with both rudders painted in Atlas livery, operator airplane number 852), aircraft NTU, re-registered N770BA at Jan 22-2013, selcal code DJ-KM, F/F April 15 2013, KPAE flight line.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7401 posts, RR: 17
Reply 30, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 34000 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 26):
They're just like the pictures we see of the interior of the 737 BBJ's only much bigger dance floors.

This looks like about half the clubs i've been in Shibuya.

Quoting 747classic (Reply 29):
The aircraft will probably be stored, because this aircraft was rejected by Atlas Air and has no new customer up to now.

Why is 5Y not taking up these airplanes?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30884 posts, RR: 86
Reply 31, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 33866 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 30):
Why is 5Y not taking up these airplanes?

Officially they were not pleased with the performance due to the higher OEW and the GE engines higher SFC.


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 32, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 33784 times:

More 747-8 news (April 16) :

- RC573-N770BA is scheduled to depart to Marana on or about May 16.

- RC027 - D-ABYH made it's first commercial flight today : DLH754 (FRA-BLR), see : http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/d-abyh

- New Firing Order allocations :

- L/N 1496 - 747-8xxF, RC642, GECAS/Silk Way ?, Boeing operator identification code : 645
- L/N 1497 - 747-830, RC033, serial number 37838, D-ABYN, Lufthansa #12, scheduled delivery March 31 2014
- L/N 1498 - 747-830, RC034, serial number 37839, D-ABYO, Lufthansa #13, scheduled delivery June 30 2014



Operating a twin over the ocean, you're always one engine failure from a total emergency.
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7401 posts, RR: 17
Reply 33, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 33704 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 31):
Officially they were not pleased with the performance due to the higher OEW and the GE engines higher SFC.

Are they waiting for an uprating or something from B or what's going on there?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30884 posts, RR: 86
Reply 34, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 33697 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33):
Are they waiting for an uprating or something from B or what's going on there?

As I recall, they did agree to take later builds that had lower OEW and better SFC.


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 35, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 33724 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 33):
Are they waiting for an uprating or something from B or what's going on there

The first 3 airframes (RC571,-2 and -3) for Atlas Air were rejected by the customer and the order for these 3 early built aircraft was cancelled.

Officially because the payload-range (OEW above spec. and GEnx-2B plus 2,7% TSFC) was outside the purchase contract limits. But the cancellation was very convenient at that time , because the cargo market was already on the way down and the total 5Y 747-8F order count could be reduced from 12 to 9 aircraft.

RC571 and RC572 will be operated by Saudia Cargo, but officially the owner is still unknown in the Official Boeing order and delivery listing, see 747-8 delivery list of 2013 below (RC571 is the unidentified customer)


RC573 has not found a new customer yet and will be temporally stored at Marana, awaiting better (cargo) times.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 36, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 33676 times:

I was always surprised about the cancellation of those 3 frames. I mean, is there so much difference between RC573 and RC574? Was there a block change? It sounds more like they the took the delays and the performance issues as an opportunity to cancel those frames, as 747 classic points out:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 35):
But the cancellation was very convenient at that time , because the cargo market was already on the way down and the total 5Y 747-8F order count could be reduced from 12 to 9 aircraft.



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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 37, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 33568 times:

GEnx-2B67 PIP is on track :

- flight test at General Electric's testbed N747GE started in February 2013 and 2/3 is already completed.

- FAR 33 engine certification is expected by Mid Year.

- First deliveries on 747-8 aircraft by year end.

- "To combat the original fuel-burn shortfall of more than 2%, GE designed an all-new low-pressure turbine, and added compressor, combustor and turbine improvements from the 787 engine's PIP II upgrade. Together with better-than-expected 1% fuel-burn improvement seen by initial 747-8 operators on the baseline engine, added to airframe improvements instituted by Boeing, GE says the -2 PIP will bring the aircraft up to or beyond specification."

See : http://www.aviationweek.com/Article...._04_15_2013_p42-567125.xml&p=1

[Edited 2013-04-16 09:56:30]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 38, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 33520 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 37):
or beyond specification.

Let's hope so, this could compensate for the overweight.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10679 posts, RR: 9
Reply 39, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 33262 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 35):
RC571 and RC572 will be operated by Saudia Cargo, but officially the owner is still unknown in the Official Boeing order and delivery listing, see 747-8 delivery list of 2013 below (RC571 is the unidentified customer)

Maybe Boeing themselves?

Quoting 747classic (Reply 37):
the -2 PIP will bring the aircraft up to or beyond specification."

Hopefully this will attract new customers as well. I do not fully understand this text though, it speaks of 1% better-than-expected fuel burn on initially built planes, and 2% less on top by the PIP, right? If so, that should mean 3% better than original specification in the end. That would be pretty good. Still leaves room for a future PIP which will certainly be needed in a few years.

Quoting 747classic (Reply 37):
added to airframe improvements instituted by Boeing
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 38):
Let's hope so, this could compensate for the overweight.

Are current newbuilds still overweight?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 40, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 33271 times:

Quoting na (Reply 39):
Are current newbuilds still overweight?

Boeing already stripped out a lot of weight but I recall Elizabeth Lund saying "the improvements get us very, very close to where we committed to be at the start of the programme, but not beyond it".

So the better-than-expected fuel burn could compensate for the little remaining overweight.

[Edited 2013-04-17 01:25:04]


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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 41, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 32911 times:

RC508 - LX-VCH has filed a flight plan from Paine Field towards Charleson AFB Intl. (KPAE-KCHS) for storage ?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...8/history/20130418/1500Z/KPAE/KCHS

Aircraft data :
L/N 1473 - 747-8R7F, RC508, serial number 35821, Cargolux #8, registration LX-VCH, selcal code FM-HP, full livery, named : City of Dudelange, F/F March 25, 2013, Technical acceptance April 05 , Storage area TBD (registration N765BA) , Scheduled delivery May 13



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 42, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 32799 times:

That's odd, why not flying it to Marana where the weather conditions for storage are better?


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 43, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 32780 times:

Matt tweets that RC508 will return next Monday.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 44, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 32731 times:

Found it:

Quote:
The 45th annual RBC Heritage Presented by Boeing will be held April 15-21, 2013, at the Harbour Town Golf Links on Hilton Head Island, S.C. Those attending Friday’s second round of the tournament will experience a thrill when a Boeing 747-8 Freighter will fly over the 18th hole at 12 p.m., pending final flight certificates and clear weather.

Friday’s flyover at the RBC Heritage will provide spectators with a unique opportunity to see Boeing’s newest 747-8 airplane up close and personal as it makes two low-altitude passes along the 18th fairway,” said Jack Jones, Boeing South Carolina vice president and general manager. “Boeing is proud to showcase our iconic wide-body airplane at the RBC Heritage, one of the most exciting PGA TOUR events of the season.”

With the most advanced wing and engine combination, the 747-8 is quieter, produces lower emissions, and achieves better fuel economy than previous 747 freighters. The airplane, in the Cargolux livery, will be the eighth 747-8 to be delivered to the freighter launch customer. The world’s most efficient freighter has a maximum takeoff weight of 987,000 lb (447,696 kg) and can hold approximately 19 million golf balls in its cargo compartment.

“We could not be happier about continuing to grow our partnership with Boeing in 2013 ,” said RBC Heritage Tournament Director Steve Wilmot. “This is the second year the tournament has enjoyed seeing a Boeing airplane fly over at the 18th hole, and people are still talking about seeing the 787 climb out in the sky over the green last year. We can’t wait to see the Boeing 747-8 make its first appearance at the RBC Heritage next Friday.”

“We are very proud and honored that LX-VCH, City of Dudelange, gets the opportunity to shine in such a spectacular setting before entering revenue service in May this year,” said Richard Forson, Cargolux Interim President & CEO.

The article also says that RC508 will enter revenue service in May. It will not go into storage after all   



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User currently offlineNewYorkCityBoi From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 32576 times:

Anybody knows if Saudi Arabian Airlines ordered B747-8I too? I saw it on wikipedia but can't find the source.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30884 posts, RR: 86
Reply 46, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 32527 times:
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Quoting NewYorkCityBoi (Reply 45):
Anybody knows if Saudi Arabian Airlines ordered B747-8I too? I saw it on wikipedia but can't find the source.

I believe they have ordered one or more 747-8 VIP business jets, but they have not to my knowledge ordered the 747-8 for passenger carrying use.


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 47, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32372 times:

From Thread #11 : Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production #11 (by SA7700 Jan 1 2013 in Civil Aviation)#256
Quoting na (Reply 256):
D-ABYH then probably "Hamburg"?


D-ABYH has been named : Thueringen, in German writing : Thüringen, see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/axel_j/8661567532/

[Edited 2013-04-18 23:54:27]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 48, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 32208 times:

Boeing to reduce the production rate for the 747-8 program from 2 airplanes to 1.75 airplanes per month due to lower market demand.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2658

[Edited 2013-04-19 05:52:28]


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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 582 posts, RR: 8
Reply 49, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 32102 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 48):
Boeing to reduce the production rate for the 747-8 program from 2 airplanes to 1.75 airplanes per month due to lower market demand.

This makes sense. But 1.75 is an unusual number. It only extends the production 4.5 months (there are 64 airplanes in the backlog).

Is that 4.5 month difference enough to weather this downturn in the cargo market? Maybe Boeing picked 1.75 to give themselves room to ratchet down to 1.5 next year if conditions don't improve?


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7401 posts, RR: 17
Reply 50, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 32108 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 48):
Boeing to reduce the production rate for the 747-8 program from 2 airplanes to 1.75 airplanes per month due to lower market demand.

This may be temporary until the 748 version 1.5 comes online (the one with the better engines or whatever was mentioned above that 5Y said they wanted)



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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 582 posts, RR: 8
Reply 51, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 32103 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
The article also says that RC508 will enter revenue service in May. It will not go into storage after all

Technically RC508 will go into storage at KPAE for a month as the customer asked for a delivery delay. Handover is now tentatively scheduled for mid-May.

RC508's flyover of golf course at Hilton Head, SC, is supposed to happen today at noon EST. Here's the flight plan:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...8/history/20130419/1500Z/KCHS/KCHS

[Edited 2013-04-19 08:02:19]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 52, posted (1 year 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 32111 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 51):
Technically RC508 will go into storage at KPAE for a month as the customer asked for a delivery delay.

You are right, I had another definition of 'storage' in my mind.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 53, posted (1 year 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 31951 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 49):
But 1.75 is an unusual number. It only extends the production 4.5 months (there are 64 airplanes in the backlog).

Is that 4.5 month difference enough to weather this downturn in the cargo market? Maybe Boeing picked 1.75 to give themselves room to ratchet down to 1.5 next year if conditions don't improve?

Boeing is evaluating the VLA market from "month to month". Therefore they don't want to cut production to 1.5 per month (or even lower) at this point. 1.75 may sound like an unusual number but it gives Boeing a comfortable position: if they can sell many 747's this year, production can go easily up to 2 per month again. If they however don't sell anything, they can cut it 1.5 per month.

The current backlog is big enough for at least 2 years of production. But many frames will be delivered in 2015, meaning there are some delivery slots left in 2014. Stretching the production a bit makes sure Boeing don't have to build white tails.

[Edited 2013-04-20 03:35:50]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 54, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 31695 times:

RC582 made its first flight yesterday but the flight was diverted.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 55, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 31284 times:

RC572 first flight today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE572



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Reply 56, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 31039 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 47):
D-ABYH has been named : Thueringen, in German writing : Thüringen, see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/axel_j/...7532/

Pretty odd, now there are two "Thüringen" in LHs fleet! That must be a first!

I just returned from Mumbai two hours ago - tuesday around 8.30 am - with 744 D-ABTF "Thüringen"! I might have been on one of the very last flights of this plane then. Pretty sad, the plane was in excellent shape, if you would have told an average passenger it would be three years old and not 23 he would have believed it!


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Reply 57, posted (1 year 4 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 31030 times:

Quoting na (Reply 56):
it would be three years old and not 23 he would have believed it!

Yes maintenance of Lufthansa Technik is amazing.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10679 posts, RR: 9
Reply 58, posted (1 year 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 30690 times:

Anyone knows when D-ABTF will be retired? How long will two "Thüringen" fly for LH?

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3365 posts, RR: 3
Reply 59, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 30017 times:

No deliveres in April?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 60, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 30028 times:

Both RC554 and RC582 were in the air yesterday but I'm not sure if it were customers flights.


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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 61, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 29800 times:

Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (May 01 - 2013)

Both deliveries of RC554 and RC582 have slipped into May, probably due a combination of the present low customer demand for immediate delivery of freighters and a shortage of skilled manpower due the implementation of the 787 battery modifications.

KPAE flight line April 30 2013, 747-8 aircraft, from back to front : RC582, RC554, RC029, RC573, RC028

Original uploaded by Moonm, see for other sizes : http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8696534531/in/photostream


Updates from previous listing (April 01 - 2013) :

- Firing Order , Added : L/N1496-RC642, L/N1497-RC033, L/N 1498-RC034
- Firing Order sequence : No change.
- Emerged from Final Assembly Line : L/N1477-RC029, L/N1478-RC509
- Delivered : NIL
- Stored at KMZJ : NIL
- Update of allocated (storage) registrations : L/N 1473-RC508 : N765BA, L/N1488-RC549 : N957BA
- Added several other aircraft data: selcal codes, F/F dates, aircraft names, etc.


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59 Completed airframes , Delivered 46 (marked : @ ), Delivered 2011 (9), 2012 (31), 2013 (6)
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@ L/N 1420 - 747-8R7F, RC501, serial number 35808, F/F Feb-08-2010, test aircraft #1, light Boeing livery, test registration N747EX, selcal code CK-EQ, During flight testing recorded 870+ hours in 354 flights, Ferried June-08-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment Sept-29-2012. Returned to KPAE at October-02-2012 with test registration N5020K, ferried to KPDX at October 23 for painting, returned to KPAE at November 12 with Cargolux registration LX-VCA(LX-ECV –NTU), name : City of Vianden, Delivery and Delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-KLAX-ELLX) date : March 08, 2013.

L/N 1421 - 747-8KZF, RC521, serial number 36136, F/F March-17-2010, test aircraft #2, light Boeing livery, test reg. N5017Q, NCA reg. JA-11KZ , ferried May-29-2012 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. Delivery TBD.

@ L/N 1422 - 747-8KZF, RC522, serial number 36137, F/F March-14-2010, test aircraft #3, light Boeing livery, test reg. N50217, NCA reg. JA-12KZ, During flight testing accumulated 720+ hours in 254 flights, ferried Oct-06-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment Oct-15-2012. Ferried at October 23-2012 to Victorville (KVCV)for re-painting, return flight to KPAE 07 November. Delivery date : December 20, 2012, Delivery flight (NCA696-RJAA) date : January 10, 2013.

@ L/N 1423 - 747-8R7F, RC502, serial number 35806, F/F Aug-31-2011, full livery, name : City of Esch-sur-Alzette, test registration N5014K, Cargolux reg. LX-VCB (LX-ACV-- NTU), selcal code CK-GQ, Delivery and Delivery flight (CLX1JS- KSEA-ELLX) date : October-12-2011.

@ L/N 1424 - 747-8R7F, RC503, serial number 35807, F/F July-22-2010, test aircraft #4, full livery, name : City of Ettelbruck, test reg. N5573S, Cargolux reg. LX-VCC (LX-DCV-- NTU), selcal code CL-KQ, Delivery and delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date: March-23-2012.

@ L/N 1425 - 747-8HTF, RC541, serial number 37132, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo( #1), full KAL livery, HL7609, selcal code AD-FL , F/F Jan-10-2012, Delivery date Feb-06-2012, Delivery flight (KAL28D –RKSI/ICN ) date : Feb-07-2012.

@ L/N 1426 - 747-8HTF, RC546, serial number 37133, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo (#2), full KAL livery, test registration N5510E, HL7610, selcal code MQ-FJ, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 18-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (KAL28D-PKSI/ICN) date : Sept 04-2012.

@ L/N 1427 - 747-867F, RC551, serial number 39238, Cathay #1, registration B-LJA, selcal code CR-HM, special Hong Kong Trader livery, F/F November 05-2011, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date: November-15-2011.

@ L/N 1428 - 747-867F, RC552, serial number 39239, Cathay #2, , registration B-LJB, full livery, F/F November-16-2011, Delivery and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date : November-23-2011.

@ L/N 1429 - 747-87UF, RC571, serial number 37562, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #1, painted basic white-dark blue BA Colours to become G-GSSD, operator airplane number 850), aircraft NTU, F/F Jan 31, 2013, test registration N5023Q, ferried to Portland (KPDX) for re-painting at Feb. 5, return flight at Feb 21, full livery, new customer Saudi Arabian Cargo, HZ-AI3 , Delivery date March 23, 2013 , Delivery flight (SVA9018- OEJN) date : March 25, 2013.

@ L/N 1430 - 747-8HVF, RC601, serial number 37580, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #1, registration VQ-BGZ (Volga Dnepr Group) , selcal code AH-KM, full ABC livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Sept-16-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (ABW1011-VHHH) date : December 02-2012.

@ L/N 1431 - 747-8KZF, RC523, serial number 36138, F/F Feb-3-2011, test aircraft #5, NCA #3, test registration N6009F, registration JA13KZ, selcal code FQ-EM, new (adapted) NCA livery, refurbished at Lackland AFB and KPAE, Delivery date July 25 2012. Delivery flight (NCA696 - RJAA) date : Aug-01-2012. First operational flight NCA108 ( RJAA-KLAX) Aug-13-2012.

L/N 1432 - 747-87UF, RC572, serial number 37563, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #2, white livery, operator airplane number 851), aircraft NTU2013, registered N958BA at April 19 2013, F/F April 22, KPAE flight line, new customer Saudi Arabian Cargo, HZ-AI4, Expected delivery : mid June 2013.

L/N 1433 - 747-867F, RC553, serial number 39240, Cathay #3, registration B-LJC, full livery, engine installation in progress, low rate refurbishment, KPAE flight line, Scheduled Delivery in July 2013.

@ L/N 1434 - 747-8JK, RC001, serial number 38636, 747-8I test aircraft #1, destined for a BBJ customer (State of Kuwait), test registration N6067E, full red-orange Boeing Sunrise livery, selcal code CQ-AJ, Official first Intercontinental roll-out ceremony happened at February 13, F/F March 20th, -2011. Last test flight at 01-12-2012, after approx. 200 flights with short of 600 flight hours. Refurbishment to delivery standard at KPAE and re-painted in full “ State of Kuwait “ livery, registration 9K-GAA, First functional test flight October 21-2012, Delivery and Delivery flight (KAC8043-CYVR-KMCI)date : November 03-2012.

L/N 1435 - 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, F/F April-26-2011, 747-8I test aircraft #2, test registration N6067U, Lufthansa #1 (NTU), selcal code CS-HP, basic LH color scheme, without lettering and LH logo, D-ABYE( NTU), engines removed, KPAE Everett Modification Center, Will be used for additional flight testing (tail tank, GEnx-2B PIP, NGFMS updates). Scheduled LH delivery date was September-30-2012 , Aircraft is up for sale after finishing of the test flights in 2014.

@ L/N 1436 - 747-8R7F, RC504, serial number 35809, Cargolux #4, full livery, name : City of Luxembourg, registration LX-VCD, selcal code AJ-CM, F/F September-02 -2011, Delivery and Delivery flight (CLX789-ELLX) date : October 13-2011.

L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #3, white livery with both rudders painted in Atlas livery, operator airplane number 852), aircraft NTU, re-registered N770BA at Jan 22-2013, selcal code DJ-KM, F/F April 15 2013, KPAE flight line. Scheduled to be flown to Marana for storage on or about May 16.

L/N 1438 - 747-867F, RC554, serial number 39241, Cathay # 4, full livery, registration B-LJD, F/F April 14 2013, KPAE flight line, Scheduled Delivery in April 2013

@ L/N 1439 - 747-8KB , RC002, serial number 37544, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri Flight , test registration N5022E, registration A7-HHE, white livery, F/F Jan-30-2012, Delivery date Feb-27-2012, Delivery flight (A7HHE-CYVR-KIAB) date Feb-28-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin has been installed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) in Wichita, Kansas, Ferry flight to Hamburg at Aug- 29-2012, Cabin outfitting at Lufthansa Technik in Hamburg, Germany. Service entry in 2014.

@ L/N 1440 - 747-8Z5 , RC003, serial number 37500, BBJ customer Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight (Presidential Flight Authority) , white livery, 747-8I test aircraft #3, test registration N5020K, future registration A6-PFA, selcal code MR-DQ , F/F June 30-2011, Delivery date May-24-2012, Delivery flight (A6PFA-KIAB) date May-29-2012, stored during summer 2012 at Wichita, thereafter Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin was installed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) . Ferry flight (A6PFA- KIAB-EDDH) December 22-2012. VIP Cabin outfitting by Lufthansa Technik, Hamburg.

@ L/N 1441 - 747-867F, RC555, serial number 39242, Cathay #5 , test registration N1785B, Cathay registration B-LJE, selcal code BF-CS, full livery, F/F Aug-13-2011, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : October-31-2011

@ L/N 1442 - 747-87UF, RC574, serial number 37561, Atlas Air #1 , full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSD, selcal code HL-ZQ, F/F October-21-2011, Delivery and delivery flight (GSS7478- EGSS) date : November-03-2011

@ L/N 1443 - 747-830, RC022, serial number 37827, Lufthansa #1, test registration N5016R, LH registration D-ABYA, full livery, name : Brandenburg, selcal code BR-DA, F/F Feb-08-2012, Delivery date April-25-2012, Delivery flight (DLH748 – EDDF) date : May 01 2012. Post Delivery Maintenance by LH Technik (EDDF). Inaugural flight DLH416 (EDDF-KIAD ) date: June-01-2012.

@ L/N 1444 - 747-87UF, RC575, serial number 37568, Atlas Air #2, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSE, selcal code HM-BQ, F/F November-17-2011, Delivery date December-05-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date Dec-19-2011.

@ L/N 1445 - 747-87UF, RC576, serial number 37569, Atlas Air #3, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSF, selcal code DK-JQ, F/F December-0 5-2011, Delivery date : December-15-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-27-2011

@ L/N 1446 - 747-8JA , RC004, serial number 40065 , BBJ customer : Saudi Crown Prince Bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (Saudi Arabian Government ), test registration N458BJ, future registration HZ-HMS1 , white livery, F/F May-30-2012, Delivery date: June 29-2012, Delivery flight (N458BJ- CYVR-KSBD) date July 9-2012. Owner : Bank of Utah Trustee, Salt Lake City, Utah (Corporation). Stored at San Bernadino . The Future of this aircraft seems to be unsure, because the Prince passed away at October 22-2011. VIP outfitting contract with Jet Aviation (Basel) was cancelled. Ferried, again with call-sign N458BJ, to Lackland AFB TX at October 06-2012. Leased to a new customer or delivery to another member of the Saudi Royal Family ? Ferry flight (N458BJ- KSKF-LFSB) to Basel -Mulhouse at December 28-2012. (Cancelled Jet Aviation outfitting slot occupied by new customer ?)

@ L/N 1447 - 747-867F, RC556, serial number 39243, Cathay #6 , registration B-LJF, full livery, FAL Roll out date November 2, selcal code DR-EJ, F/F December-01-2011, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : December-12-2011.

@ L/N 1448 - 747-8HVF, RC 602, serial number 37581, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #2, registration VQ-BLQ, selcal code FM-DS, full livery, the last assembled 747-8 aircraft in 2011, F/F December-21-2011, Delivery date Jan-26-2012. Delivery flight (ABW5011- KORD) date : Feb-03-2012.

@ L/N 1449 - 747-8KB , RC005, serial number 37075, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri flight, leased from Lewiston Investments, A7-HJA , selcal CE-JM, white livery, F/F March-31-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (A7HJA-CYVR-KIAB) date April -25-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation completed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES), Wichita, Kansas. Ferry flight to Basel-Mulhouse(LFSB) at November 09-2012. Cabin outfitting will be done by completion center AMAC at Basel, Switzerland, see : http://www.amacaerospace.com/news/news-2012-11-13.html

@ L/N 1450 - 747-867F, RC557, serial number 39244, Cathay #7, future registration B-LJG, full livery, selcal code LM-AJ, F/F February-11-2012, Delivery date Feb-25-2012, Delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date Feb-27-2012.

@ L/N 1451 - 747-830, RC023, serial number 37828, , Lufthansa #2, full livery, selcal code CR-DP, D-ABYC, named : Sachsen, F/F June-07-2012, Delivery date June-30-2012, Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date July-01-2012, PDM by LH Technik at EDDF. First operational Flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) July 25-2012.

@ L/N 1452 - 747-8HVF, RC603, serial number 37668, , AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #3, full livery, test reg. N1788B, registration VQ-BLR, selcal code DK-FS, F/F March-16-2012, Delivery March-30-2012, Delivery flight (ABW4011-KORD) date : April 04-2012.

@ L/N 1453 - 747-830, RC024, serial number 37829, Lufthansa #3 , D-ABYD, named : Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, full livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 01-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date Aug-24-2012, Post Delivery Maintenance (PDM) by LH Technik, First operational flight DLH754 (EDDF-VOBL) September 13-2012.

@ L/N 1454 -747-8R7F, RC505, serial number 35810, Cargolux #5, full livery, name : City of Echternach, registration LX-VCE, selcal AM-JP, F/F May 05 -2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-KLAX-ELLX) date May 24-2012.

@ L/N 1455 - 747-87UF, RC577, serial number 37570, Atlas Air #4, full Panalpina livery, name: Spirit of Panalpina, registration N850GT, selcal code CM-GJ, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F May-15-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (GTI609-VHHH) date : May-31-2012.

@ L/N 1456 - 747-830, RC025, serial number 37830, Lufthansa #4, D-ABYF, name : Sachsen-Anhalt, selcal code CM-BH, full livery, , F/F Sept-28-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date October-23-2012. Post Delivery Maintenance (PDM)by LH Technik (EDDF). First operational flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) November 09-2012.

@ L/N 1457 - 747-867F, RC558, serial number 39245, Cathay #8, full livery, test registration N6018N, registration B-LJH, F/F June -14-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3337- CYVR)date : July 13 2012.

@ L/N 1458 - 747-87UF, RC578, serial number 37565, Atlas Air #5, Full Panalpina livery, name : Passion for Solutions, registration N851GT, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F July 12-2012, Delivery date July 24, Delivery flight (KHSV-GTI9037)date July 25-2012.

@ L/N 1459 - 747-8LQ , RC006, serial number 41060, BBJ customer : According some rumours (not confirmed) : Bahrain Royal Flight, test registration N455BJ, future registration A9C-???, white livery, F/F October 18-2012, Owner : Wells Fargo Bank Northwest NA Trustee Salt Lake City Utah , Delivery and delivery flight (N455BJ-CYVR-KAFW-KCNW) date : November 02-2012. Cabin outfitting by L3 Platform Integration at Waco,TX.

@ L/N 1460 - 747-867F, RC559, serial number 39247, Cathay #9, future registration B-LJI, full livery, KPAE Flight line, F/F Aug-20-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3335 - CYVR) date Aug-30-2012.

@ L/N 1461 - 747-8R7F, RC506, serial number 35811, Cargolux #6, registration LX-VCF, full livery, name : City of Grevenmacher, F/F Aug 30-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-ELLX )date Sept 12-2012.

@ L/N 1462 - 747-87UF, RC579, serial number 37571, Atlas Air #6, registration N852GT, full Atlas livery, FAL roll-out Aug 07-2012, F/F September 14-2012, Delivery date Sept-30-2012 , Delivery flight (GTI9812-KCVG) date October- 02-2012

L/N1463 - 747-8HVF, RC604, serial number 37669, Air Bridge Cargo Airlines (ABC) #4 , test registration N5511Y,registration VQ-BRH, full livery, F/F Nov-14-2012, Ferried to Portland (KPDX) for painting at Dec. 02, return flight at December 13, Re-registered N769BA at Jan 22-2013, Ferried to Pinal Airpark (KMZJ) for (temporally) storage at Feb. 04-2013, expected ABC delivery : TBD

@L/N1464 - 747-867F, RC560, serial number 39246, Cathay #10, registration B-LJJ, full livery, Roll-out date Sept. 5, F/F October 16-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date October 26-2012.

@L/N1465 - 747-8R7F, RC507, serial number 35812, Cargolux #7, full livery, name : City of Diekirch, registration LX-VCG, F/F October 16-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date : November 19-2012.

@ L/N 1466 - 747-8H0, RC007, serial number 39749, Royal Flight Oman, test registration N5511V, future registration A4O-HMS, selcal code FR-AD, white livery, FAL roll-out October 07-2012, F/F November-16-2012, Delivery date December 10-2012 . Delivery flight (A4OHMS- CYVR- KCNW) date : December 12-2012. Cabin outfitting by L3 Platform Integration at Waco, TX, see : http://www2.l-3com.com/is/releases/P...eives-second-747-8-final-photo.pdf

@ L/N 1467 - 747-87UF, RC580, serial number 37572, Atlas Air #7, N853GT, selcal code DK-EL, Polar/DHL Express livery, KPAE flight line, F/F November 26 -2012, Delivery and delivery flight (GTI9812-KCVG) date : December 04-2012

@ L/N 1468 - 747-8ZV, RC008,serial number 42096, Lessor : Worldwide Aircraft Holding Company – Bermuda, Customer : Former Emir of Qatar (Sheikh Khalifa bin Hamad bin Abdullah bin Jassim bin Muhammed Al Thani), registration VQ-BSK (VQ-B = Bermuda / SK = Sheikh Khalifa), full livery, Roll-out November 08-2012, F/F December 13 2012, Delivery date December 20-2012, Delivery flight (VQBSK-CYVR) date December 21-2012. Airplane is (probably ) located at Dallas Love Field to be outfitted by Associated Air Center. At the same location also an elevator system and an Aeroloft modification kit will be installed, expected total modification time 36 months.

L/N 1469 - 747-8KZF, RC524, serial number 37394, NCA#4, registration JA14KZ, selcal code KQ-PR, full livery, Roll-out November 26-2012, F/F Jan-08-2013, KPAE flight line, Re-registered N772BA at Jan 22-2013, Ferried to Pinal Airpark (KMZJ) for storage at March 01, Delivery TBD.

@ L/N 1470 - 747-830, RC026, serial number 37831, Lufthansa #5, D-ABYG, name : Baden-Württemberg, full livery, F/F Jan 23 - 2013, required Hard landing rework, Delivery date March 12, 2013, Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date March 13 - 2013. Post delivery maintenance by Lufthansa Technik, First operational flight DLH456 (EDDF-KLAX) March 31, 2013.

@ L/N 1471 - 747-87UF, RC581, Atlas Air #8, serial number 37566, N854GT, selcal code DK-EM, full Atlas Air livery, F/F Feb 2-2013, Delivery date March 28, 2013, Delivery flight (GTI9838-VHHH) April 02, 2013.

@ L/N 1472 - 747-830, RC027, serial number 37832, Lufthansa #6, D-ABYH, selcal code BK-ES, full livery, named : Thueringen, F/F March 9 2013, Delivery and delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date March 27, 2013, Post delivery maintenance by Lufthansa Technik , First operational flight DLH754 (EDDF-VOBL) April 16, 2013.

L/N 1473 - 747-8R7F, RC508, serial number 35821, Cargolux #8, registration LX-VCH, selcal code FM-HP, full livery,named : City of Dudelange, F/F March 25, 2013, Technical acceptance April 05 , short term storage at KPAE with registration N765BA, Scheduled delivery May 13.

@ L/N 1474 - 747-8B5F, RC547, serial number 37654, KAL#3, HL7617, selcal code MR-BJ, full livery, F/F March 15 2013, Delivery and delivery flight (KAL28D- RKSI) date March 28, 2013.

L/N 1475 - 747-830, RC028, serial number 37833, Lufthansa #7, full livery, D-ABYI, KPAE flight line, scheduled delivery May 2013.

L/N 1476 - 747-87UF, RC582, serial number 37567, Atlas Air #9, N855GT, selcal code DK-JQ , full livery, F/F April 20 2013, KPAE Flight Line.

L/N 1477 - 747-830, RC029, serial number 37834, Lufthansa #8, D-ABYJ, full livery, FAL roll out April 02, KPAE flight line, scheduled delivery* June 30 2013.

L/N 1478 - 747-8R7F, RC509, serial number 35822, Cargolux #9, unpainted with white rudders, N775BA, future registration LX-VCI, KPAE flight line.

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At this moment : 4 Airframes at the Final Assembly Line (FAL) at Everett Building 40-22
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L/N 1479 - 747-8KZF, RC525, serial number 36139, NCA #5, N942BA, future registration JA15KZ, slant position #1.
L/N 1480 - 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYK, slant position #2, scheduled delivery* July 31 2013
L/N 1481 - 747-8B5F, RC548, serial number 37655, N774BA, KAL #4, body join join position.
L/N 1482 - 747-8HVF, RC605, serial number 37670, Air Bridge Cargo( ABC) #5, VQ-BRJ, wing join position.

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Firing order : 17 Airframes , scheduled for Final Assembly (Subject to change).
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L/N 1483 - 747-867F, RC561, Cathay Pacific #11, B-LJK, scheduled delivery November 2013. ( original allocated as 747-8FTF, RC631, Air China Cargo #1, serial number 43394, NTU)
L/N 1484 - 747-867F, RC562, Cathay Pacific #12, B-LJL, scheduled delivery Dec ember 2013. (original allocated as 747-8FTF, RC632, Air China Cargo #2, serial number 43395, NTU)
L/N 1485 - 747-8KZF, RC526, serial number 36141?, N783BA ?, NCA #6, future registration JA16KZ
L/N 1486 - 747-867F, RC563, Cathay Pacific #13, B-LJM, scheduled delivery December 2013. (original allocated as 747-8FTF, RC633, Air China Cargo #3, serial number 43396, NTU)
L/N 1487 - 747-8KZF, RC527, NCA #7, nominal roll-out date August 22-2013.
L/N 1488 - 747-8B5F, RC549, serial number 37656, KAL #5, N957BA
L/N 1489 - 747-8KZF, RC528, NCA #8
L/N 1490 - 747-8R7F, RC510, Cargolux #10
L/N 1491 - 747-8R7F, RC511, Cargolux #11
L/N 1492 - 747-830, RC031, serial number 37836, D-ABYL, Lufthansa #10, scheduled delivery* Jan 31 2014
L/N 1493 - 747-8xxF**, RC641, GECAS/Silkway ? #1, Boeing operator identification code : 645.
L/N 1494 - 747-830, RC032, serial number 37837, D-ABYM, Lufthansa #11, scheduled delivery* Feb 28 2014
L/N 1495 - 747-8Z5?, RC009, Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight, Boeing operator identification code : ABD.
L/N 1496 - 747-8xxF**, RC642, GECAS/Silk Way ? #2, Boeing operator identification code : 645
L/N 1497 - 747-830, RC033, serial number 37838, D-ABYN, Lufthansa #12, scheduled delivery *March 31 2014
L/N 1498 - 747-830, RC034, serial number 37839, D-ABYO, Lufthansa #13, scheduled delivery * June 30 2014
L/N 1499 - 747-89L, RC066, Air China, Boeing operator identification code : BEJ

? = Not confirmed
*= Only one (1) source : http://lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa
**= Boeing Customer code not known.

I will try to publish the following updates on the first of each month to stay synchronized with the monthly Boeing delivery publications.

Please feel free to add updates, corrections and remarks by replies in this thread (or by PM).

Cheers, Peter.

[Edited 2013-04-30 23:16:03]


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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3365 posts, RR: 3
Reply 62, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 29280 times:

Today's update from Boeing is showing five 747s cancellations  

User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 582 posts, RR: 8
Reply 63, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 29279 times:

Boeing booked cancellation of 5 747-8s in April. No customer(s) listed.
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10679 posts, RR: 9
Reply 64, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 29230 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 63):

How sad.
The last 5 freighters on order for DAE perhaps?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 65, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 29248 times:

Correct. Boeing confirms Dubai Aerospace Enterprise has canceled the last five of its 747-8Fs on order. I'm afraid we will never see this livery on the 748:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BJRveidCIAAaTaa.jpg:large

[Edited 2013-05-02 10:35:11]


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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 582 posts, RR: 8
Reply 66, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 29169 times:

Quoting na (Reply 64):
The last 5 freighters on order for DAE perhaps?

Confirmed by Boeing. The bust in real estate has doomed DAE, so this cancellation is not a surprise. DAE cancelled all their orders with Airbus in 2011.
http://atwonline.com/aircraft-amp-en...ls-remaining-airbus-aircraft-order


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 67, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 29139 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 63):
No customer(s) listed.

This page is more accurate:

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/...lModel=747&ViewReportF=View+Report



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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 68, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 29139 times:

When using the user defined order report feature at the Boeing website, the DAE order is no longer listed :

747-8F Orders (incl. April 2013)



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30884 posts, RR: 86
Reply 69, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 28966 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 65):
I'm afraid we will never see this livery on the 748:

Alas, you never would have even if they had taken delivery as all of DAE's 747-8s were originally ordered by EK SkyCargo. EK then resold the 10 frames to DAE and agreed to lease them back, but looks like EK is choosing to only fly the 777F.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 70, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 28921 times:

I didn't know that, thanks.


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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 582 posts, RR: 8
Reply 71, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 28938 times:

Ostrower just tweeted info about Etihad leasing a 747-8F from Atlas.
http://www.abudhabicityguide.com/new...newsid=12199&newstype=Local%20News


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3365 posts, RR: 3
Reply 72, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 28776 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 71):
Ostrower just tweeted info about Etihad leasing a 747-8F from Atlas

It will look good in Etihad's colours  

Do we know which aircraft it will be? (LN please, and not the stupid RC-something codes)


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 73, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 28678 times:

I assume it will be LN 1476, perhaps this is the reason of the delivery delay.


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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10679 posts, RR: 9
Reply 74, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 28635 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 73):
I assume it will be LN 1476, perhaps this is the reason of the delivery delay.

Perhaps, but isnt that painted in Atlas livery already? Why would they have done that if a deal was being finalised requiring a clients livery? Or could it be that Etihad is getting an older frame, the rejected one perhaps, for a very good deal? Its a "multi-year" deal.


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 75, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 28683 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 72):
Do we know which aircraft it will be? (LN please, and not the stupid RC-something codes)

All nine 747-8F aircraft, ordered by Atlas Air, have already been fully painted.

The 9th (and last) Atlas Air 747-8F (L/N1476-RC582) still present at the KPAE flight line, has also been recently painted in the standard Atlas Air livery.

Atlas Air 747-8F Fleet List (incl. the "stupid RC-something codes")

L/N1442 - RC574 - BA World Cargo livery
L/N1444 - RC575 - BA World Cargo livery
L/N1445 - RC576 - BA World Cargo livery
L/N1455 - RC577 - Panalpina livery
L/N1458 - RC578 - Panalpina livery
L/N1462 - RC579 - Atlas Air livery
L/N1467 - RC580 - Polar/DHL Express livery
L/N1471 - RC581 - Atlas Air livery
L/N1476 - RC582 - Atlas Air livery (not delivered)

Possible candidates for the Ethiad lease are at the moment : L/N1476, 1471 and 1462, all others are on (long-term) lease.

Another (remote) possibility could be L/N1437 - RC573, rejected by Atlas Air, but still available.

For the record : L/N1429 - RC571 and L/N1432 - RC572, the other two rejected Atlas Air aircraft, are already sold to an unidentified customer and will be operated by Saudi Cargo.

[Edited 2013-05-03 01:58:02]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 76, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 28660 times:

Quoting na (Reply 74):
but isnt that painted in Atlas livery already?

Correct, maybe Atlas Air found a customer at the very last moment.

Quoting na (Reply 74):
Or could it be that Etihad is getting an older frame, the rejected one perhaps, for a very good deal? Its a "multi-year" deal.

That's another possibility indeed.



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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 582 posts, RR: 8
Reply 77, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 28693 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 71):
Ostrower just tweeted info about Etihad leasing a 747-8F from Atlas.

Maybe this was another reason why Boeing recently slowed down their rate from 2/month to 1.75/month? Surely they knew this DAE cancellation was coming?


User currently offlinejvaljean From Belgium, joined Mar 2013, 69 posts, RR: 1
Reply 78, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 28641 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 77):
Surely they knew this DAE cancellation was coming?

Apr. 30/May 1 was likely a milestone in the contractual timeline for making a progress payment to proceed or terminating the contract.


User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1262 posts, RR: 8
Reply 79, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 28616 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 65):
I'm afraid we will never see this livery on the 748:

Almost all aircraft lessors have "liveries" - but these liveries only appear on mock-ups, never on actual planes. So you probably won't ever see a lessor's livery on an actual plane unless there's some agreement with an airline to promote the lessor (which is extremely unlikely).

Quoting 747classic (Reply 75):
The 9th (and last) Atlas Air 747-8F (L/N1476-RC582) still present at the KPAE flight line, has also been recently painted in the standard Atlas Air livery.

Indeed. I photographed it last week (twice!).


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 80, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 28401 times:

Korean Air has indicated that it will defer its next two 747-8 freighters until its next fiscal year, which begins in April 2014 (source: The Seattle Times).


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 81, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 28105 times:

RC553 has moved and RC021 is at the fuel dock, I assume the refurbishment on those 2 frames is now completed. It's a bit of a strange sight to see a 787 parked in one of those stalls again  

See http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8708340629/sizes/o/in/photostream/ (pictuer my moonm)

[Edited 2013-05-05 03:22:08]


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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 82, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 27957 times:

At the same flight line picture, mentioned in reply 81, you can see two unpainted 747-8 freighters (one at the fuel dock and one at the right-hand side of the picture, just right of the LH 747-tail).

Probably the one on the fuel dock must have been the last emerged 747-8 aircraft from the assembly line, aircraft data :

L/N 1479 - 747-8KZF, RC525, serial number 36139, NCA #5, N942BA, future registration JA15KZ.

The aircraft will be stored with registration N942BA (owner : Boeing), because delivery to NCA has been postponed. (delivery date TBD).

For background info about the depressed cargo market and the consequences for the 747-8F delivery schedule, see :
http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...ology/2020910238_boeing747xml.html

Positive :
- This month, Boeing begins flight testing the PIP upgrade of the GEnx-2B67B engine that should improve fuel efficiency by 1.8 percent.
- Also, Boeing will soon flight test design changes that should allow 747-8 intercontinental customers to reactivate the fuel tank in the horizontal tail, increasing the jet’s range.
- At the same time the updated software (3.0) for the NGFMC will be tested and certified.

All tests will be performed with L/N1435 - RC021, the first built (and rejected) Lufthansa 747-830 airframe.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 83, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 27598 times:

Delivery flight of RC554:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...7/history/20130508/0000Z/KPAE/VHHH



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 84, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 27384 times:

The above flight has been removed from Flightaware, delivery flight cancelled I assume?

Quoting 747classic (Reply 82):
Probably the one on the fuel dock must have been the last emerged 747-8 aircraft from the assembly line, aircraft data :

Better picture here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8719520872/in/photostream (via moonm)



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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 582 posts, RR: 8
Reply 85, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 27232 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 84):
The above flight has been removed from Flightaware, delivery flight cancelled I assume?

RC554 is at the new Everett Delivery Center this morning.

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 86, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 27094 times:

Here it is again:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...7/history/20130508/2200Z/KPAE/VHHH

Quoting Laddie (Reply 85):
RC554 is at the new Everett Delivery Center this morning.

Cool, thanks for sharing that picture!



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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 87, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 26956 times:

L/N1475 -RC028 just airborne from Paine Field for here first (B1) flight towards Moses Lake with callsign BOE028 :
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...8/history/20130508/1800Z/KPAE/KMWH

Aircraft data : L/N 1475 - 747-830, RC028, serial number 37833, Lufthansa #7, full livery, D-ABYI, KPAE flight line, scheduled delivery May 2013.



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User currently offlinenyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5747 posts, RR: 47
Reply 88, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 26633 times:

Well you can check RC554 as officially delivered. Nearing 50 747-8 deliveries. Hopefully it'll get a few more orders.


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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 582 posts, RR: 8
Reply 89, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 26616 times:

Quoting nyc777 (Reply 88):
Well you can check RC554 as officially delivered.

For the record, RC554 was handed over to Cathay Pacific on 8 May.

Next up is RC508 on 15 May, followed by RC582 the next day.

Those dates are subject to change, of course.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 90, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 26593 times:

What is the target for RC028?


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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 582 posts, RR: 8
Reply 91, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 26312 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 90):
What is the target for RC028?

The end of May for delivery. The fly-away date is TBA.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 92, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 26041 times:

RC572 is in paint. Check the 747 in the background.


(picture taken by moonm)

[Edited 2013-05-11 02:31:09]


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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 93, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 25951 times:

Due the temporally update stop of Matt Cawby's KPAE blog (due relocation) , we missed the latest actual F/F and delivery flight pictures.

Luckily Russel Hill took some pictures at KPAE :

B1 flight of D-ABYI, see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian404/8725349932/in/photostream

Delivery departure of B-LJD, see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian404/8725349974/in/photostream



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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 582 posts, RR: 8
Reply 94, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 25464 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 92):
RC572 is in paint.

Tentatively scheduled for a mid-June handover to the customer.


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 95, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 25020 times:

LX-VCH is scheduled for delivery today.
According Matt Cawby's twitter, the aircraft is already parked at the delivery center, see : https://twitter.com/mattcawby

Also a flight plan has been filed with call-sign CLX789 towards Seattle-Tacoma and probably proceeding via LAX to Luxembourg, see : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...9/history/20130515/1900Z/KPAE/KSEA .

Aircraft data : L/N 1473 - 747-8R7F, RC508, serial number 35821, Cargolux #8, registration LX-VCH, selcal code FM-HP, full livery,named : City of Dudelange, F/F March 25, 2013, Technical acceptance April 05 , short term storage at KPAE with registration N765BA, Scheduled delivery May 15 2013.



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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 582 posts, RR: 8
Reply 96, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 24805 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 95):
According Matt Cawby's twitter, the aircraft is already parked at the delivery center

Yes, she is.


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 97, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 24541 times:

LX-VCH-RC508 Delivery flight arrived at Luxembourg from Paine Field, via Seattle-Tacoma.

LX-VCH , Landing RW06, ELLX/LUX, May 16 2013.

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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 582 posts, RR: 8
Reply 98, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 24476 times:

RC582 at the EDC on a rainy day in Everett:


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 99, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 24456 times:

It think that's RC583 because RC582 is in paint.

[Edited 2013-05-16 06:48:11]


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User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1262 posts, RR: 8
Reply 100, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 24468 times:

RC573, not 582.


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Reply 101, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 24339 times:

RC572 is in the air again:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20130516/1630Z/KPAE/KPAE

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 99):
It think that's RC583 because RC582 is in paint.

Argg, I meant to say RC573 and not RC583!



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User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1262 posts, RR: 8
Reply 102, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 24474 times:

582 is up at the tower apron, or was on Monday. It'll be interesting to see if that is the aircraft that gets painted into Etihad Cargo colors instead of one of the others.

User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 582 posts, RR: 8
Reply 103, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 24177 times:

Quoting cargolex (Reply 100):
RC573, not 582.

Oops. You're right.

RC573 is back at the EDC today.
RC582 is parked on the south apron. She was delivered yesterday, and will fly to storage soon.
RC028 is also on the south apron. She is scheduled to be handed over by the end of May.
RC572 is currently parked next to RC573. Delivery tentatively scheduled for mid-June.


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 104, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 24095 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 103):
RC582 is parked on the south apron. She was delivered yesterday, and will fly to storage soon.

RC582-N855GT has been official delivered and listed at the FAA Registry at May 16 with the new owner : Atlas Air Inc.
See : http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...NNum_Results.aspx?NNumbertxt=855GT

Isn't RC573-N770BA earmarked to go into storage (Marana) soon ?



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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 582 posts, RR: 8
Reply 105, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 23908 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 104):
sn't RC573-N770BA earmarked to go into storage (Marana) soon ?

I think Boeing is going to use her for some testing, then she goes into storage at the end of June.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 106, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 23636 times:

BTW thanks for those pictures Laddie, I appreciate it.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 107, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 23394 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 104):
RC582-N855GT has been official delivered and listed at the FAA Registry at May 16 with the new owner : Atlas Air Inc.

And here is the delivery flight of RC582:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/G...4/history/20130518/1400Z/KPAE/KAMA

Landed 50 minutes ago in AMA.

[Edited 2013-05-18 11:25:18]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 108, posted (1 year 3 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 23315 times:

RC028 back from a test flight today. Picture taken by David Parker Brown from the AirlineReporter blog who currently is visiting PAE:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKk4K4sCYAE7b7k.jpg:large



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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 109, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 22875 times:

L/N1478-RC509 performed here first (B1) flight from Paine Field towards Moses Lake, see :
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...9/history/20130520/1500Z/KPAE/KMWH

The aircraft is scheduled for storage with registration N775BA.

Aircraft data : L/N 1478 - 747-8R7F, RC509, serial number 35822, Cargolux #9, N775BA, future registration LX-VCI, full livery, F/F May 20 2013, KPAE flight line.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 107):
And here is the delivery flight of RC582:
Landed 50 minutes ago in AMA.

Could RC582 be scheduled for a new paintjob (Ethiad livery) at Leading Edge Aviation Services , Amarillo.
That company is painting lots United/Continental airplanes, incl. the B744.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 110, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 22857 times:

Today, RC021 will test fly the tail fuel tank.

Quote:
747-8i rolling out for flight test. This jet will now do final work on "wet tail" with fuel in horizontal stabilizer


http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKuzXDPCIAAawaF.jpg:large

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BKvDui8CEAAYjst.jpg:large

[Edited 2013-05-20 13:24:17]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 111, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 22810 times:

And RC021 is in the air!

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130520/1630Z/KPAE/KMWH



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User currently onlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3435 posts, RR: 10
Reply 112, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 22785 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 111):
And RC021 is in the air!

So do you think they will be pumping fuel from one tank to the other and maybe completing some flutter testing as well? Anything else? Boeing's tweet a moment ago mentioned multiple improvementS.

https://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/336580302770159616/photo/1

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 113, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 22771 times:

There are 3 tests to be completed:

> Tail fuel tank
> FBW software update
> Engine upgrade

I'm however not sure if RC021 is already equipped with the GEnx-2B PIP engines.



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User currently onlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3435 posts, RR: 10
Reply 114, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 22747 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 113):
I'm however not sure if RC021 is already equipped with the GEnx-2B PIP engines.

Thanks Karel. Boeing just tweeted again that the improvement are to verify better fuel efficiency. Although they could be testing the fuel tank and software to allow them to trim to the most efficient angle as LH has requested, I suspect it is also about the engine PiP as you suggest. That is great news to me as I was not expecting that until late summer.

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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12425 posts, RR: 25
Reply 115, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 22722 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 98):
RC582 at the EDC on a rainy normal day in Everett:

Fixed that for you!



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 116, posted (1 year 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 22735 times:

Here are the tweets from Glenn Farley:

Quote:
747-8 Intercontinental test flight for 1.8%more fuel efficiency now taxiing

747-8i rolling out for flight test. This jet will now do final work on "wet tail" with fuel in horizontal stabilizer.

I know that the GEnx-2B PIP should improve fuel efficiency by 1.8 percent. So it seems like RC021 is equipped with the new engines and the re-activated tail fuel tank. Than the software update will also reduce fuel burn a bit by selecting better climb settings.

[Edited 2013-05-20 14:31:59]


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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 117, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 22505 times:

According an article from Guy Norris (Aviation Week) about the GEnx updates , published April 15, at least part (if not all four) of the engines installed at RC021 must be GEnx-2B67/P1 engines.

Quote :
Flight testing of the improved -2B PIP for the 747-8, leveraging upgrades made to the 787 engine, have been underway on GE's 747 flying testbed since February. GE is about to ship the third of four flight-test engines to Boeing as part of plans to evaluate the PIP standard on a 747-8 within the next few months.
Quoted.

See : http://www.aviationweek.com/Article...._04_15_2013_p42-567125.xml&p=1



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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 582 posts, RR: 8
Reply 118, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 22255 times:

Boeing press release about RC021 certification flight:

Boeing Begins Certification Testing on 747-8 Performance Improvements
Performance package improves fuel burn by another 1.8 percent

EVERETT, Wash., May 21, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- A Boeing (NYSE: BA) 747-8 Intercontinental successfully completed its first test flight this week with a package of performance improvements including enhanced GE engines. This package is designed to improve the fuel efficiency of the popular jetliner.

With Boeing Flight Test and Evaluation Capt. Kirk Vining and Chief Pilot Capt. Mark Feuerstein at the controls, the airplane took off from Paine Field in Everett, Wash. at 1:30 p.m. local time and landed at Boeing Field in Seattle approximately four hours later.

"It was a great flight and the engines performed as expected," said Capt. Vining. "This is an important milestone for the flight test program."

The airplane Performance Improvement Package (PIP) includes improvements to the GEnx-2B engines and Flight Management Computer (FMC) software.

Boeing's continuous efforts to improve the 747-8 family have resulted in an accumulated 1.5 percent gain in fuel efficiency since the first airplane was delivered less than two years ago. These new improvements will give operators an airplane that is an additional 1.8 percent more efficient.

"These improvements are a part of our commitment to continually improve our great airplanes for our customers," said Eric Lindblad, vice president and general manager of the 747 program. "Improving fuel efficiency by another 1.8 percent saves the airlines approximately one million dollars per year in fuel per airplane and reduces the carbon footprint."

The test program will also validate the design changes and demonstrate the operation of the horizontal tank fuel system on the passenger version of the 747-8, which was deferred from the initial deliveries. The new configuration will first deliver in early 2014 and be available for retrofit. Entry into service of the new engines and FMC software will take place in late 2013.


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Reply 119, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 22261 times:

Thanks for posting. So 1,5% improvements in the first two years, 1,8% now. So can we expect a 2020 model year 748(F) will cut off another 5% at least?
How much of this PIP can be retrofitted?


User currently offlinehannahpa From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 22087 times:
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Does this mean that we could see more sales of the -8I in the future once Lufthansa shares their latest figures for fuel efficiency? With the new PIP2?

I would love to see more 748's in the air...   


User currently onlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1370 posts, RR: 2
Reply 121, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 21909 times:

Quoting na (Reply 119):
How much of this PIP can be retrofitted?

Buy new engines and you get it all.

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....l/AW_04_15_2013_p42-567125.xml&p=2 lists " an all-new low-pressure turbine, and added compressor, combustor and turbine improvements from the 787 engine's PIP II upgrade"

The 787 PIP II improvements are listed as: " includes an effective increase in fan diameter of 0.5 in., optimized outlet guide vanes, a higher-flow low-pressure compressor, improved high-pressure compressor aerodynamics and durability improvements in the high-pressure turbine and combustor. "


User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 122, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 21839 times:

Quoting na (Reply 119):
How much of this PIP can be retrofitted?

Technical it's possible to upgrade the standard GEnx-2B67(B) engine to the PIP standard by changing some modules of the engine. during an engine overhaul.

Depending the terms of the engine purchase agreement it will be charged to General Electric, the customer or the "total engine care "contract.

Remember : the original GEnx-2B had a TSFC shortfall of 2.7%. The original promised performance goals were not satisfied.

Most likely most engines will be replaced by already upgraded engines during the first due C-Check

Note : The fan diameter is not increased at the GEnx-2B, so all changes are are inside the engine.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 123, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 21771 times:

Quoting na (Reply 119):
Thanks for posting. So 1,5% improvements in the first two years, 1,8% now. So can we expect a 2020 model year 748(F) will cut off another 5% at least?

I don't expect to see another PIP for the engine. Boeing will probably strip out more weight from the airframe but another 5% improvement sounds too optimistic.

[Edited 2013-05-22 00:38:56]


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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 124, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21644 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 123):
I don't expect to see another PIP for the engine

I have a different opinion on this subject :

General Electric will certainly improve the GEnx-1B/P2 in the near future with a PIP3, because the 787 will need constant improvement in the intensifying payload-range competition with the A350.

Also the GEnx-2B will benefit and will be further improved by inserting certain future PIP3 features into that engine.

Note : One of the key feature of the GEnx series was and still is the common core engine (high speed spool) on both the GEnx-1B/P2 (787) and the GEnx-2B/P1 (747-8).

[Edited 2013-05-22 06:49:22]


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12425 posts, RR: 25
Reply 125, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21606 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 122):
Note : The fan diameter is not increased at the GEnx-2B, so all changes are are inside the engine.

Indeed correct. I imagine the 'effective' fan diameter increase is due to improved aerodynamics?



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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 126, posted (1 year 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 21359 times:

Here is a nice aerial picture of RC572 / HZ-AI4 in her new livery, to be operated by Saudia Cargo.
At the same picture RC028 / D-ABYI is taxiing out for a test flight.
KPAE, May 18, 2013.

Original uploaded by AVgeekJoe, see for other sizes : http://www.flickr.com/photos/avgeekjoe/8795037506/



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 127, posted (1 year 3 months 15 hours ago) and read 21248 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 124):
I have a different opinion on this subject :

Makes sense.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 128, posted (1 year 3 months 7 hours ago) and read 21144 times:

RC030 / LN 1480 for Lufthansa emerged from the final assembly line.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8810738856/ (look for the 747 in the background).



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User currently offlineCargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1262 posts, RR: 8
Reply 129, posted (1 year 3 months 6 hours ago) and read 21140 times:

Atlas Air's newest two 747-8Fs have joined the DB:

RC582:


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Stay tuned for more.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 130, posted (1 year 3 months 6 hours ago) and read 21129 times:

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 129):
Stay tuned for more.

Can't wait to see the Etihad livery on the 748  



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User currently offlineCargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1262 posts, RR: 8
Reply 131, posted (1 year 3 months 6 hours ago) and read 21110 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 130):
Can't wait to see the Etihad livery on the 748

I was hoping 855 would be painted up in EY Cargo livery before delivery - because that'll be a spectacular looking plane and I wanted to catch it without having to fly half way around the world. But no such luck.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7401 posts, RR: 17
Reply 132, posted (1 year 3 months 6 hours ago) and read 21078 times:

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 129):
Atlas Air's newest two 747-8Fs have joined the DB:

   Can't wait to get back to CVG to see these beasts!



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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 133, posted (1 year 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 20976 times:

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 131):
was hoping 855 would be painted up in EY Cargo livery before delivery - because that'll be a spectacular looking plane and I wanted to catch it without having to fly half way around the world. But no such luck.

The aircraft is repainted at Amarillo, Texas, this is not the other side of the world from Seattle.



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User currently offlineCargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1262 posts, RR: 8
Reply 134, posted (1 year 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 20934 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 133):
The aircraft is repainted at Amarillo, Texas, this is not the other side of the world from Seattle.

True enough, but time, time, time.


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Reply 135, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 20352 times:

ATT. Miami Spotters

The first Lufthansa 747-8 (D-ABYF) is heading to Miami (KMIA) today.

See DLH462 : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...2/history/20130529/0755Z/EDDF/KMIA

And : http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/lh462



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User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 20241 times:

Hey, any word on l/n 1421, JA11KZ? Should be being refurbished right now, correct?

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Reply 137, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20210 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 136):
any word on l/n 1421, JA11KZ? Should be being refurbished right now, correct?

NCA doesn't need any additional aircraft at the moment, seen the present difficult cargo market, so probably the refurbishment at Lackland AFB, San Antonio has been halted or is proceeding at a very low pace.



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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 138, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20225 times:
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D-ABYI has arrived in FRA! And now it will get the LH Technik changes and will fly in a couple of weeks.

Welcome home.

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 139, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20179 times:

Any idea on the flight number?


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Reply 140, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20158 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 139):

Usually something with DLH99** or so. Only on my cell, cannot check. It arrived around 9:40 am in FRA.

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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 141, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20112 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 138):
D-ABYI has arrived in FRA!

This was the 50th 747-8 delivery....................................................

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 139):
Any idea on the flight number?

No flight observed at FlightAware or Flightradar24. (the last two deliveries D-ABYG and -YH were both with callsign DLH9875)

[Edited 2013-05-29 07:25:09]


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User currently offlineLaddie From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 582 posts, RR: 8
Reply 142, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 20079 times:

From today's Aviation Daily:

Singapore Airlines (SIA) has decided
to ground one more of its Boeing 747-400 freighters at a
desert in California, and does not rule out the possibility
that it may park more aircraft if market conditions continue
to deteriorate.

The airline says this is the second 747-400 it has taken
out of operation; the first was parked in December 2012.
The second 747 will be taken out of revenue service from
June 2013 to May 2014.

“We will continue to monitor market conditions closely
and make further capacity adjustments as required,” says
SIA Cargo President Tan Kaiping.

“Fuel prices remain high, and we continue to see
weakness in the air cargo market due to industry-wide
overcapacity, which has put pressure on rates,” the executive
adds.

SIA Cargo announced an operating loss of S$167 million
($132 million) for the fiscal year ending March 31, the
worst result of all of SIA’s business units. The grounding
means SIA Cargo is left with 11 747-400 freighters in operation,
the carrier notes.


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Reply 143, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 19953 times:

Quoting Laddie (Reply 142):

Not good. I assume it will be the second BCF that will be parked and not a factorybuilt freighter (the first one parked is also a BCF).


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Reply 144, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 19927 times:
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Quoting 747classic (Reply 141):
This was the 50th 747-8 delivery....................................................
Quoting 747classic (Reply 141):
No flight observed at FlightAware or Flightradar24. (the last two deliveries D-ABYG and -YH were both with callsign DLH9875)

My mistake. MIxed up the dates. It is departing Seattle today on May 29th and arrives in FRA on the 30th.

Sorry for the mixup.

Flight number:

DLH9925

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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 145, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 19952 times:

Quoting na (Reply 143):
I assume it will be the second BCF that will be parked

Yes, probably L/N1070 - S/N 26554 - 9V-SCB - the only remaining 747-412BCF in the SQ cargo fleet will be stored.

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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 146, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 19640 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 141):
This was the 50th 747-8 delivery....................................................

See the official Boeing press release : http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2685

And : http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.as...5cc559-c49f-4833-a991-9dcf12b73e91

[Edited 2013-05-29 22:27:42]


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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 8991 posts, RR: 76
Reply 147, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 19621 times:
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A little over 3 hours and she will be in FRA, ETA 08:40 UTC. D-ABYI almost home.

http://fr24.com/DLH9925

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Reply 148, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 19649 times:

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 147):
A little over 3 hours and she will be in FRA, ETA 08:40 UTC. D-ABYI almost home.

http://fr24.com/DLH9925

Haha, neat. The 747-8 is being trailed behind by a company A380, at the moment. 



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Reply 149, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 19621 times:
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Quoting KPDX (Reply 148):
Haha, neat. The 747-8 is being trailed behind by a company A380, at the moment. 

I guess they are both flying about the same speed. Or they should fly next to each other (different levels of course) and make a photo shooting. That would be neat.

I might head out to the airport and take a picture of the landing later. Would be great to see her. Weather in FRA is ok today.

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User currently offlineHirnie From Germany, joined May 2004, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 150, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 19283 times:

Does anybody know when the next 8i will be delivered to LH?

User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 151, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 19195 times:

Quoting Hirnie (Reply 150):
Does anybody know when the next 8i will be delivered to LH?

Delivery date of D-ABYJ (RC029) is still scheduled before or at June 30 2013.



Operating a twin over the ocean, you're always one engine failure from a total emergency.
User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 152, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 19177 times:

At last : Matt Cawby's KPAE blog is back on line, so we can get again more recent flight line pictures to update our database.

Emerged from the assembly line :
L/N 1481 - 747-8B5F, RC548, serial number 37655, KAL #4, N774BA. KPAE flight line http://paineairport.com/kpae6289.htm

After visiting the paint hangar in full livery :
L/N 1479 - 747-8KZF, RC525, serial number 36139, NCA #5, registration JA15KZ (N942BA), full livery, KPAE flight line
http://paineairport.com/kpae6290.htm

RC521, the first test aircraft #2, still in Lackland AFB, made her first test flight after refurbishing :
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE521

Aircraft data :
L/N 1421 - 747-8KZF, RC521, serial number 36136, F/F March-17-2010, test aircraft #2, light Boeing livery, test reg. N5017Q, NCA reg. JA-11KZ , ferried May-29-2012 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. Delivery TBD.

[Edited 2013-05-31 00:04:19]


Operating a twin over the ocean, you're always one engine failure from a total emergency.
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 153, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 19125 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 152):
RC521, the first test aircraft #2, still in Lackland AFB, made her first test flight after refurbishing :

There was another 748 in the air in San Bernardino yesterday, I'm trying to find out which one that was.



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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 154, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 19079 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 153):
There was another 748 in the air in San Bernardino yesterday

RC021, with call sign BOE21, is since May 26 at San Bernadino (KSBD) for test flights, see :
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130526/1700Z/KBFI/KSBD



Operating a twin over the ocean, you're always one engine failure from a total emergency.
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 155, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 19019 times:

Ah of course, thank you.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 156, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 18888 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 152):
RC521, the first test aircraft #2, still in Lackland AFB, made her first test flight after refurbishing

Ferry flight SKF-PAE later today:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130531/1600Z/KSKF/KPAE



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User currently offline747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 2112 posts, RR: 14
Reply 157, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18709 times:

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Provisional 747-8 Aircraft Production List (June 01- 2013)
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Updates from previous listing (May 01 - 2013) :

- Firing Order , Added : NIL
- Firing Order sequence : No change.
- Emerged from Final Assembly Line : L/N 1479-RC525, L/N 1480-RC030, L/N1481-RC548
- First Flight : L/N1475-RC028,
- Delivered : L/N1438-RC554, L/N 1473-RC508, L/N1476-RC582, L/N1475-RC028
- Stored at KMZJ : NIL
- Update of allocated (storage) registrations : L/N 1482-RC605 : N959BA
- Added several other aircraft data: selcal codes, aircraft names, etc.


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62 Completed airframes , Delivered 50 (marked : @ ), Delivered 2011 (9), 2012 (31), 2013 (10)
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@ L/N 1420 - 747-8R7F, RC501, serial number 35808, F/F Feb-08-2010, test aircraft #1, light Boeing livery, test registration N747EX, selcal code CK-EQ, During flight testing recorded 870 hours in 354 flights, Ferried June-08-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment Sept-29-2012. Returned to KPAE at October-02-2012 with test registration N5020K, ferried to KPDX at October 23 for painting, returned to KPAE at November 12 with Cargolux registration LX-VCA(LX-ECV %u2013NTU), name : City of Vianden, Delivery and Delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-KLAX-ELLX) date : March 08, 2013.

L/N 1421 - 747-8KZF, RC521, serial number 36136, F/F March-17-2010, test aircraft #2, light Boeing livery, test reg. N5017Q, NCA reg. JA11KZ , During flight testing recorded 697 hours in 235 flights, ferried May-29-2012 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment May 30 2013 (exactly after one year!), Returned to KPAE at May 31 2013, Delivery TBD.

JA11KZ, returning to KPAE, May 31 2013

Original uploaded by Moonm, for other sizes see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8908498619/

@ L/N 1422 - 747-8KZF, RC522, serial number 36137, F/F March-14-2010, test aircraft #3, light Boeing livery, test reg. N50217, NCA reg. JA-12KZ, During flight testing accumulated 720 hours in 254 flights, ferried Oct-06-2011 to Lackland AFB, San Antonio, for refurbishment to delivery standard. First test flight after refurbishment Oct-15-2012. Ferried at October 23-2012 to Victorville (KVCV)for re-painting, return flight to KPAE 07 November. Delivery date : December 20, 2012, Delivery flight (NCA696-RJAA) date : January 10, 2013.

@ L/N 1423 - 747-8R7F, RC502, serial number 35806, F/F Aug-31-2011, full livery, name : City of Esch-sur-Alzette, test registration N5014K, Cargolux reg. LX-VCB (LX-ACV-- NTU), selcal code CK-GQ, Delivery and Delivery flight (CLX1JS- KSEA-ELLX) date : October-12-2011.

@ L/N 1424 - 747-8R7F, RC503, serial number 35807, F/F July-22-2010, test aircraft #4, full livery, name : City of Ettelbruck, test reg. N5573S, Cargolux reg. LX-VCC (LX-DCV-- NTU), selcal code CL-KQ, Delivery and delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date: March-23-2012.

@ L/N 1425 - 747-8HTF, RC541, serial number 37132, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo( #1), full KAL livery, HL7609, selcal code AD-FL , F/F Jan-10-2012, Delivery date Feb-06-2012, Delivery flight (KAL28D %u2013RKSI/ICN ) date : Feb-07-2012.

@ L/N 1426 - 747-8HTF, RC546, serial number 37133, Guggenheim Aviation Partners (GuAP) NTU, KAL Cargo (#2), full KAL livery, test registration N5510E, HL7610, selcal code MQ-FJ, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 18-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (KAL28D-PKSI/ICN) date : Sept 04-2012.

@ L/N 1427 - 747-867F, RC551, serial number 39238, Cathay #1, registration B-LJA, selcal code CR-HM, special Hong Kong Trader livery, F/F November 05-2011, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date: November-15-2011.

@ L/N 1428 - 747-867F, RC552, serial number 39239, Cathay #2, , registration B-LJB, full livery, F/F November-16-2011, Delivery and Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date : November-23-2011.

@ L/N 1429 - 747-87UF, RC571, serial number 37562, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #1, painted basic white-dark blue BA Colours to become G-GSSD, operator airplane number 850), aircraft NTU, F/F Jan 31, 2013, test registration N5023Q, ferried to Portland (KPDX) for re-painting at Feb. 5, return flight at Feb 21, full livery, new operator Saudi Arabian Cargo, HZ-AI3 , Delivery date March 23, 2013 , Delivery flight (SVA9018- OEJN) date : March 25, 2013.

@ L/N 1430 - 747-8HVF, RC601, serial number 37580, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #1, registration VQ-BGZ (Volga Dnepr Group) , selcal code AH-KM, full ABC livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Sept-16-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (ABW1011-VHHH) date : December 02-2012.

@ L/N 1431 - 747-8KZF, RC523, serial number 36138, F/F Feb-3-2011, test aircraft #5, NCA #3, test registration N6009F, registration JA13KZ, selcal code FQ-EM, new (adapted) NCA livery, refurbished at Lackland AFB and KPAE, Delivery date July 25 2012. Delivery flight (NCA696 - RJAA) date : Aug-01-2012. First operational flight NCA108 ( RJAA-KLAX) Aug-13-2012.

L/N 1432 - 747-87UF, RC572, serial number 37563, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #2, white livery, operator airplane number 851), aircraft NTU2013, registered N958BA at April 19 2013, F/F April 22, KPAE flight line, new operator Saudi Arabian Cargo, full livery, HZ-AI4, Expected delivery : mid June 2013.

L/N 1433 - 747-867F, RC553, serial number 39240, Cathay #3, registration B-LJC, full livery, engine installation in progress, low rate refurbishment, KPAE flight line, Scheduled Delivery in July 2013.

@ L/N 1434 - 747-8JK, RC001, serial number 38636, 747-8I test aircraft #1, destined for a BBJ customer (State of Kuwait), test registration N6067E, full red-orange Boeing Sunrise livery, selcal code CQ-AJ, Official first Intercontinental roll-out ceremony happened at February 13, F/F March 20th, -2011. Last test flight at 01-12-2012, after approx. 200 flights with short of 600 flight hours. Refurbishment to delivery standard at KPAE and re-painted in full State of Kuwait livery, registration 9K-GAA, First functional test flight October 21-2012, Delivery and Delivery flight (KAC8043-CYVR-KMCI)date : November 03-2012.

L/N 1435 - 747-830, RC021, serial number 37826, F/F April-26-2011, 747-8I test aircraft #2, test registration N6067U, Lufthansa #1 (NTU), selcal code CS-HP, basic LH color scheme, without lettering and LH logo, D-ABYE( NTU), Scheduled LH delivery date was September-30-2012 , Resumed additional flight testing (tail tank, GEnx-2B PIP, NGFMS updates) at May 20 2013, current flight testing out of San Bernadino (KBSD) from May 26, aircraft is up for sale after finishing of the test flights in 2014.

@ L/N 1436 - 747-8R7F, RC504, serial number 35809, Cargolux #4, full livery, name : City of Luxembourg, registration LX-VCD, selcal code AJ-CM, F/F September-02 -2011, Delivery and Delivery flight (CLX789-ELLX) date : October 13-2011.

L/N 1437 - 747-87UF, RC573, serial number 37564, (ordered and assembled to become Atlas Air #3, white livery with both rudders painted in Atlas livery, operator airplane number 852), aircraft NTU, re-registered N770BA at Jan 22-2013, selcal code DJ-KM, F/F April 15 2013, KPAE flight line. Scheduled to be flown to Marana for storage on or about May 16.

@ L/N 1438 - 747-867F, RC554, serial number 39241, Cathay # 4, full livery, registration B-LJD, F/F April 14 2013, KPAE flight line, Acceptance/Delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH) date May 08 2013.

@ L/N 1439 - 747-8KB , RC002, serial number 37544, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri Flight , test registration N5022E, registration A7-HHE, white livery, F/F Jan-30-2012, Delivery date Feb-27-2012, Delivery flight (A7HHE-CYVR-KIAB) date Feb-28-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin has been installed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) in Wichita, Kansas, Ferry flight to Hamburg at Aug- 29-2012, Cabin outfitting at Lufthansa Technik in Hamburg, Germany. Service entry in 2014.

@ L/N 1440 - 747-8Z5 , RC003, serial number 37500, BBJ customer Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight (Presidential Flight Authority) , white livery, 747-8I test aircraft #3, test registration N5020K, future registration A6-PFA, selcal code MR-DQ , F/F June 30-2011, Delivery date May-24-2012, Delivery flight (A6PFA-KIAB) date May-29-2012, stored during summer 2012 at Wichita, thereafter Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin was installed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES) . Ferry flight (A6PFA- KIAB-EDDH) December 22-2012. VIP Cabin outfitting by Lufthansa Technik, Hamburg.

@ L/N 1441 - 747-867F, RC555, serial number 39242, Cathay #5 , test registration N1785B, Cathay registration B-LJE, selcal code BF-CS, full livery, F/F Aug-13-2011, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : October-31-2011

@ L/N 1442 - 747-87UF, RC574, serial number 37561, Atlas Air #1 , full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSD, selcal code HL-ZQ, F/F October-21-2011, Delivery and delivery flight (GSS7478- EGSS) date : November-03-2011

@ L/N 1443 - 747-830, RC022, serial number 37827, Lufthansa #1, test registration N5016R, LH registration D-ABYA, full livery, name : Brandenburg, selcal code BR-DA, F/F Feb-08-2012, Delivery date April-25-2012, Delivery flight (DLH748 %u2013 EDDF) date : May 01 2012. Post Delivery Maintenance by LH Technik (EDDF). Inaugural flight DLH416 (EDDF-KIAD ) date: June-01-2012.

@ L/N 1444 - 747-87UF, RC575, serial number 37568, Atlas Air #2, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSE, selcal code HM-BQ, F/F November-17-2011, Delivery date December-05-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date Dec-19-2011.

@ L/N 1445 - 747-87UF, RC576, serial number 37569, Atlas Air #3, full BA World Cargo livery, G-GSSF, selcal code DK-JQ, F/F December-0 5-2011, Delivery date : December-15-2011, Delivery flight (BAW8307-VHHH) date : Dec-27-2011

@ L/N 1446 - 747-8JA , RC004, serial number 40065 , BBJ customer : Saudi Crown Prince Bin Abdulaziz Al Saud (Saudi Arabian Government ), test registration N458BJ, future registration HZ-HMS1 , white livery, F/F May-30-2012, Delivery date: June 29-2012, Delivery flight (N458BJ- CYVR-KSBD) date July 9-2012. Owner : Bank of Utah Trustee, Salt Lake City, Utah (Corporation). Stored at San Bernadino . The Future of this aircraft seems to be unsure, because the Prince passed away at October 22-2011. VIP outfitting contract with Jet Aviation (Basel) was cancelled. Ferried, again with call-sign N458BJ, to Lackland AFB TX at October 06-2012. Leased to a new customer or delivery to another member of the Saudi Royal Family ? Ferry flight (N458BJ- KSKF-LFSB) to Basel -Mulhouse at December 28-2012. (Cancelled Jet Aviation outfitting slot occupied by new customer ?)

@ L/N 1447 - 747-867F, RC556, serial number 39243, Cathay #6 , registration B-LJF, full livery, FAL Roll out date November 2, selcal code DR-EJ, F/F December-01-2011, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3337-VHHH)date : December-12-2011.

@ L/N 1448 - 747-8HVF, RC 602, serial number 37581, AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #2, registration VQ-BLQ, selcal code FM-DS, full livery, the last assembled 747-8 aircraft in 2011, F/F December-21-2011, Delivery date Jan-26-2012. Delivery flight (ABW5011- KORD) date : Feb-03-2012.

@ L/N 1449 - 747-8KB , RC005, serial number 37075, BBJ customer Qatar Amiri flight, leased from Lewiston Investments, A7-HJA , selcal CE-JM, white livery, F/F March-31-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (A7HJA-CYVR-KIAB) date April -25-2012. Greenpoint Technologies Aeroloft cabin installation completed at Boeing Global Transport & Executive Systems (GTES), Wichita, Kansas. Ferry flight to Basel-Mulhouse(LFSB) at November 09-2012. Cabin outfitting will be done by completion center AMAC at Basel, Switzerland.

@ L/N 1450 - 747-867F, RC557, serial number 39244, Cathay #7, future registration B-LJG, full livery, selcal code LM-AJ, F/F February-11-2012, Delivery date Feb-25-2012, Delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date Feb-27-2012.

@ L/N 1451 - 747-830, RC023, serial number 37828, , Lufthansa #2, full livery, selcal code CR-DP, D-ABYC, named : Sachsen, F/F June-07-2012, Delivery date June-30-2012, Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date July-01-2012, PDM by LH Technik at EDDF. First operational Flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) July 25-2012.

@ L/N 1452 - 747-8HVF, RC603, serial number 37668, , AirBridgeCargo Airlines (ABC) #3, full livery, test reg. N1788B, registration VQ-BLR, selcal code DK-FS, F/F March-16-2012, Delivery March-30-2012, Delivery flight (ABW4011-KORD) date : April 04-2012.

@ L/N 1453 - 747-830, RC024, serial number 37829, Lufthansa #3 , D-ABYD, named : Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, full livery, KPAE flight line, F/F Aug 01-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date Aug-24-2012, Post Delivery Maintenance (PDM) by LH Technik, First operational flight DLH754 (EDDF-VOBL) September 13-2012.

@ L/N 1454 -747-8R7F, RC505, serial number 35810, Cargolux #5, full livery, name : City of Echternach, registration LX-VCE, selcal AM-JP, F/F May 05 -2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-KLAX-ELLX) date May 24-2012.

@ L/N 1455 - 747-87UF, RC577, serial number 37570, Atlas Air #4, full Panalpina livery, name: Spirit of Panalpina, registration N850GT, selcal code CM-GJ, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F May-15-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (GTI609-VHHH) date : May-31-2012.

@ L/N 1456 - 747-830, RC025, serial number 37830, Lufthansa #4, D-ABYF, name : Sachsen-Anhalt, selcal code CM-BH, full livery, , F/F Sept-28-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date October-23-2012. Post Delivery Maintenance (PDM)by LH Technik (EDDF). First operational flight DLH418 (EDDF-KIAD) November 09-2012.

@ L/N 1457 - 747-867F, RC558, serial number 39245, Cathay #8, full livery, test registration N6018N, registration B-LJH, F/F June -14-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3337- CYVR)date : July 13 2012.

@ L/N 1458 - 747-87UF, RC578, serial number 37565, Atlas Air #5, Full Panalpina livery, name : Passion for Solutions, registration N851GT, will be operated by Atlas Air for Swiss global forwarder Panalpina, F/F July 12-2012, Delivery date July 24, Delivery flight (KHSV-GTI9037)date July 25-2012.

@ L/N 1459 - 747-8LQ , RC006, serial number 41060, BBJ customer : According some rumours (not confirmed) : Bahrain Royal Flight, test registration N455BJ, future registration A9C-???, white livery, F/F October 18-2012, Owner : Wells Fargo Bank Northwest NA Trustee Salt Lake City Utah , Delivery and delivery flight (N455BJ-CYVR-KAFW-KCNW) date : November 02-2012. Cabin outfitting by L3 Platform Integration at Waco,TX.

@ L/N 1460 - 747-867F, RC559, serial number 39247, Cathay #9, future registration B-LJI, full livery, KPAE Flight line, F/F Aug-20-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3335 - CYVR) date Aug-30-2012.

@ L/N 1461 - 747-8R7F, RC506, serial number 35811, Cargolux #6, registration LX-VCF, full livery, name : City of Grevenmacher, F/F Aug 30-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-ELLX )date Sept 12-2012.

@ L/N 1462 - 747-87UF, RC579, serial number 37571, Atlas Air #6, registration N852GT, full Atlas livery, FAL roll-out Aug 07-2012, F/F September 14-2012, Delivery date Sept-30-2012 , Delivery flight (GTI9812-KCVG) date October- 02-2012

L/N1463 - 747-8HVF, RC604, serial number 37669, Air Bridge Cargo Airlines (ABC) #4 , test registration N5511Y,registration VQ-BRH, full livery, F/F Nov-14-2012, Ferried to Portland (KPDX) for painting at Dec. 02, return flight at December 13, Re-registered N769BA at Jan 22-2013, Ferried to Pinal Airpark (KMZJ) for (longterm) storage at Feb. 04-2013, expected ABC delivery : TBD

@ L/N1464 - 747-867F, RC560, serial number 39246, Cathay #10, registration B-LJJ, full livery, Roll-out date Sept. 5, F/F October 16-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CPA3335-VHHH) date October 26-2012.

@ L/N1465 - 747-8R7F, RC507, serial number 35812, Cargolux #7, full livery, name : City of Diekirch, registration LX-VCG, F/F October 16-2012, Delivery and delivery flight (CLX773-KSEA-CYYC-ELLX) date : November 19-2012.

@ L/N 1466 - 747-8H0, RC007, serial number 39749, Royal Flight Oman, test registration N5511V, future registration A4O-HMS, selcal code FR-AD, white livery, FAL roll-out October 07-2012, F/F November-16-2012, Delivery date December 10-2012 . Delivery flight (A4OHMS- CYVR- KCNW) date : December 12-2012. Cabin outfitting by L3 Platform Integration at Waco, TX, see : http://www2.l-3com.com/is/releases/P...eives-second-747-8-final-photo.pdf

@ L/N 1467 - 747-87UF, RC580, serial number 37572, Atlas Air #7, N853GT, selcal code DK-EL, Polar/DHL Express livery, KPAE flight line, F/F November 26 -2012, Delivery and delivery flight (GTI9812-KCVG) date : December 04-2012

@ L/N 1468 - 747-8ZV, RC008,serial number 42096, Lessor : Worldwide Aircraft Holding Company %u2013 Bermuda, Customer : Former Emir of Qatar (Sheikh Khalifa bin Hamad bin Abdullah bin Jassim bin Muhammed Al Thani), registration VQ-BSK (VQ-B = Bermuda / SK = Sheikh Khalifa), full livery, Roll-out November 08-2012, F/F December 13 2012, Delivery date December 20-2012, Delivery flight (VQBSK-CYVR) date December 21-2012. Airplane is (probably ) located at Dallas Love Field to be outfitted by Associated Air Center. At the same location also an elevator system and an Aeroloft modification kit will be installed, expected total modification time 36 months.

L/N 1469 - 747-8KZF, RC524, serial number 37394, NCA#4, registration JA14KZ, selcal code KQ-PR, full livery, Roll-out November 26-2012, F/F Jan-08-2013, KPAE flight line, Re-registered N772BA at Jan 22-2013, Ferried to Pinal Airpark (KMZJ) for storage at March 01, Delivery TBD.

@ L/N 1470 - 747-830, RC026, serial number 37831, Lufthansa #5, D-ABYG, name : Baden-Württemberg, full livery, F/F Jan 23 - 2013, required Hard landing rework, Delivery date March 12, 2013, Delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date March 13 - 2013. Post delivery maintenance by Lufthansa Technik, First operational flight DLH456 (EDDF-KLAX) March 31, 2013.

@ L/N 1471 - 747-87UF, RC581, Atlas Air #8, serial number 37566, N854GT, selcal code DK-EM, full Atlas Air livery, F/F Feb 2-2013, Delivery date March 28, 2013, Delivery flight (GTI9838-VHHH) April 02, 2013.

@ L/N 1472 - 747-830, RC027, serial number 37832, Lufthansa #6, D-ABYH, selcal code BK-ES, full livery, named : Thueringen, F/F March 9 2013, Delivery and delivery flight (DLH9875-EDDF) date March 27, 2013, Post delivery maintenance by Lufthansa Technik , First operational flight DLH754 (EDDF-VOBL) April 16, 2013.

@ L/N 1473 - 747-8R7F, RC508, serial number 35821, Cargolux #8, registration LX-VCH, selcal code FM-HP, full livery, named : City of Dudelange, F/F March 25, 2013, Technical acceptance April 05 , short term storage at KPAE with registration N765BA, Delivery and Delivery flight (CLX789-KSEA-ELLX) date May 15 2013.

@ L/N 1474 - 747-8B5F, RC547, serial number 37654, KAL#3, HL7617, selcal code MR-BJ, full livery, F/F March 15 2013, Delivery and Delivery flight (KAL28D- RKSI) date March 28, 2013.

@ L/N 1475 - 747-830, RC028, serial number 37833, Lufthansa #7, D-ABYI, full livery, F/F May 08 2013, Delivery and delivery flight date(DLH9925-EDDF) May 29 2013, Post delivery maintenance by Lufthansa Technik, EDDF.

D-ABYI, landing at FRA after delivery flight, May 30 2013.

Original uploaded by mario-meyer, for other sizes see : http://www.flickr.com/photos/9182636...exVyY5-exSp1i-eyuQtL-eyuPvh-eyuRuY

@ L/N 1476 - 747-87UF, RC582, serial number 37567, Atlas Air #9, N855GT, selcal code DK-JQ , full Atlas Air livery, F/F April 20 2013, Delivery May 16 2013, Delivery flight (GTI9854-KAMA)date May 18 2013. Re-painted into Etihad Cargo livery (long term lease) at Leading Edge Aviation Services , Amarillo.

L/N 1477 - 747-830, RC029, serial number 37834, Lufthansa #8, D-ABYJ, full livery, FAL roll out April 02, KPAE flight line, scheduled delivery* June 30 2013.

L/N 1478 - 747-8R7F, RC509, serial number 35822, Cargolux #9, N775BA, future registration LX-VCI, full livery, F/F May 20 2013, KPAE flight line.

L/N 1479 - 747-8KZF, RC525, serial number 36139, NCA #5, registration JA15KZ (N942BA), full livery, KPAE flight line

L/N 1480 - 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYK, unpainted with dark blue rudders, KPAE flight line, scheduled delivery* July 31 2013

L/N 1481 - 747-8B5F, RC548, serial number 37655, KAL #4, N774BA, unpainted with light blue rudders, KPAE flight line
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At this moment : 4 Airframes at the Final Assembly Line (FAL) at Everett Building 40-22
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L/N 1482 - 747-8HVF, RC605, serial number 37670, Air Bridge Cargo( ABC) #5, N959BA, future registration VQ-BRJ, slant position #1.

L/N 1483 - 747-867F, RC561, Cathay Pacific #11, B-LJK, ( original allocated as 747-8FTF, RC631, Air China Cargo #1, serial number 43394, NTU) , slant position #2, scheduled delivery November 2013.

L/N 1484 - 747-867F, RC562, Cathay Pacific #12, B-LJL, scheduled delivery Dec ember 2013. (original allocated as 747-8FTF, RC632, Air China Cargo #2, serial number 43395, NTU) , body join position.

L/N 1485 - 747-8KZF, RC526, serial number 36141?, N783BA ?, NCA #6, future registration JA16KZ, wing join position.



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Firing order : 14 Airframes , scheduled for Final Assembly (Subject to change).
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L/N 1486 - 747-867F, RC563, Cathay Pacific #13, B-LJM, scheduled delivery December 2013. (original allocated as 747-8FTF, RC633, Air China Cargo #3, serial number 43396, NTU)
L/N 1487 - 747-8KZF, RC527, NCA #7, nominal roll-out date August 22-2013.
L/N 1488 - 747-8B5F, RC549, serial number 37656, KAL #5, N957BA
L/N 1489 - 747-8KZF, RC528, NCA #8
L/N 1490 - 747-8R7F, RC510, Cargolux #10
L/N 1491 - 747-8R7F, RC511, Cargolux #11
L/N 1492 - 747-830, RC031, serial number 37836, D-ABYL, Lufthansa #10, scheduled delivery* Jan 31 2014
L/N 1493 - 747-8xxF**, RC641, GECAS/Silkway ? #1, Boeing operator identification code : 645.
L/N 1494 - 747-830, RC032, serial number 37837, D-ABYM, Lufthansa #11, scheduled delivery* Feb 28 2014
L/N 1495 - 747-8Z5?, RC009, Abu Dhabi Amiri Flight, Boeing operator identification code : ABD.
L/N 1496 - 747-8xxF**, RC642, GECAS/Silk Way ? #2, Boeing operator identification code : 645
L/N 1497 – 747-830, RC033, serial number 37838, D-ABYN, Lufthansa #12, scheduled delivery *March 31 2014
L/N 1498 – 747-830, RC034, serial number 37839, D-ABYO, Lufthansa #13, scheduled delivery * June 30 2014
L/N 1499 - 747-89L, RC066, Air China, Boeing operator identification code : BEJ

? = Not confirmed
*= Only one (1) source : http://lh-taufnamen.de/lufthansa
**= Boeing Customer code not known.

I will try to publish the following updates on the first of each month to stay synchronized with the monthly Boeing delivery publications.

Please feel free to add updates, corrections and remarks by replies in this thread (or by PM).

Cheers, Peter.

[Edited 2013-06-01 00:51:07]


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7401 posts, RR: 17
Reply 158, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 18557 times:

Thanks for the updates Peter.....how many 5Y units were NTU? What happens to those order allocations, are they reserved for later orders?


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User currently offlineCargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1262 posts, RR: 8
Reply 159, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18442 times:

D-ABYI joins the DB:


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11247 posts, RR: 33
Reply 160, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 18034 times:

Quoting 747classic (Reply 157):
L/N 1480 - 747-830, RC030, serial number 37835, Lufthansa #9, D-ABYK, unpainted with dark blue rudders, KPAE flight line, scheduled delivery* July 31 2013

It seems that RC030 is now inside the 40-24 building (the 787 surge line is in here).



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30884 posts, RR: 86
Reply 161, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 17861 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 160):
It seems that RC030 is now inside the 40-24 building (the 787 surge line is in here).

And that certainly looks like another 747-8 behind her. How much of Building 40-24 is taken up with the surge line? Or are they only using the first station at the moment for the 787-9 so they have open space between it and the door?

[Edited 2013-06-03 07:15:49]

User currently onlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3435 posts, RR: 10
Reply 162, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 17808 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 161):
Or are they only using the first station at the moment for the 787-9 so they have open space between it and the door?

Weird. It looks like an Aeromexico and an ANA bird are on that line in station #2 and #3 in addition to ZB001 at station #1. Wonder how they are fitting all of those aircraft in there.

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