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A350XWB Countdown To The First Flight   
User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 99782 times:

Eagerly awaited: "The company expects to achieve first flight of its A350 jet in the coming three months, Airbus CEO Fabrice Bregier said in the sidelines of a groundbreaking ceremony for a $600 million (393.52 million pounds) Airbus factory in Mobile.


Between May and July?

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User currently offlineovercast From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 99766 times:

I make it April, May or June. I have a feeling that progress is better than expected, so am hopeful of handover to the Flight Test this month and FF next month.

Just my 1 cent/penny etc

User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 99596 times:

Earlier they said "early summer", so I expect their internal goal will probably be between the last week of June and the first week of July. And I think that has been the case for a while now (and that might also be the reason why they haven't said anything like "Q2 2013" or "Q3 2013". If it slips from the last week of June to the first week of July Airbus would still be be bang on target, but some would say a delay of another quarter...   )

User currently offline3rdGen From Bahrain, joined Jul 2011, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 99367 times:

When will aircraft manufacturers learn to stop giving out dates or time frames, when was the last time they gave us a date for anything which was actually met?

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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 97294 times:

Quoting 3rdGen (Reply 3):
When will aircraft manufacturers learn to stop giving out dates or time frames, when was the last time they gave us a date for anything which was actually met?

And we can apply that for Airports... look at Berlin, Doha and soon Istambul...  

I was not even aware that the A350 could fly this year...

User currently offlinebaldwin471 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2012, 363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 97099 times:

Can't wait to see her take to the sky. Haven't been this excited for a first flight since the 777.

User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3892 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 94111 times:

And Le Bourget is when exactly? The target must surely be to ensure it's ready for a flight display there so enough time for testing before.

come visit the south pacific
User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 1225 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 94088 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 6):
And Le Bourget is when exactly? The target must surely be to ensure it's ready for a flight display there so enough time for testing before.

17 - 23 June, so in about 2.5 months

A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8363 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 93223 times:

Forget about first flight--how about the first taxi tests?

User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4591 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 92984 times:

Quoting overcast (Reply 1):

I make it April, May or June. I have a feeling that progress is better than expected, so am hopeful of handover to the Flight Test this month and FF next month.

Yes, that is the the next three months, but I don't think that it will be flying yet.

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User currently offlinewindowflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 92590 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 9):
Yes, that is the the next three months

LOL. I was about to make the same smart@ss comment.

Cant wait to see this baby fly. Another model to get under my belt.

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User currently offlinebristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 91772 times:

Quoting flymd1976 (Reply 10):
That plane's first test flight was a number of years ago. It's called a 787...wheres the innovation?

That's strange, I thought I heard that the 787 was doing test flights this week?


Fortune favours the brave
User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2492 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 89036 times:

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 11):

Quoting flymd1976 (Reply 10):
That plane's first test flight was a number of years ago. It's called a 787...wheres the innovation?

That's strange, I thought I heard that the 787 was doing test flights this week?


hahaha, oke that just made my day! Thanks!

But really, when can we expect to see the A350 fully completed with the Airbus livery?

User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 5205 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 88813 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 12):
But really, when can we expect to see the A350 fully completed with the Airbus livery?

At the reveal ceremony, no guarantees of before (Airbus managed to keep the corporate livery refresh a secret right up until the reveal ceremony).

User currently offlinesabenapilot From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 2748 posts, RR: 45
Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 87903 times:

If they hurry up in TLS, they can get the XWB in the air before the 787 gets its type certificate back!
Now that would be ironic, wouldn't it?  

User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 771 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 87718 times:

Indeed they can spoil 787's return to flight with skilled PR such as roll out, taxy tests ... even before the A350 first flight

User currently offlineSVJ77W From India, joined Apr 2013, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 87578 times:

Oh WOW, I just cannot wait. When I was told about the Mayan prophecy of 21st December, 2012, My only thought was oh God, We wont get to see the A350 XWB flying. Glad to hear this is going to be real soon.

Is there any pictures of her out there with the engines on?

User currently offlineRickNRoll From Afghanistan, joined Jan 2012, 1207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 87336 times:

Quoting sabenapilot (Reply 14):

If they hurry up in TLS, they can get the XWB in the air before the 787 gets its type certificate back!
Now that would be ironic, wouldn't it?  

It hasn't lost it's type certificate. The FAA has just said that the battery problem must be repaired, but they don't say how this must be done.

User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 87275 times:

Quoting sabenapilot (Reply 14):
If they hurry up in TLS, they can get the XWB in the air before the 787 gets its type certificate back!

Yeah, I'm sure the Airbus engineers will work that little bit harder with such knowledge in mind  

The A350XWB is already more than a year behind schedule, I'm sure everyone involved in the program are working as hard as they can, even if they see a possibility to win one day they'll give it their best. And the A350 program is strong as it is without having to point out to its competitors challenges.

User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 83499 times:

Is she already beautiful enough?

User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 2445 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 82709 times:

I am holding opinion until I see the completed aircraft. I still think the cockpit/nose section looks funny but that may change with paint and lighting. Wishing her well on her maiden flight.

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User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 81755 times:

The start-topic "A350XWB Countdown To The First Flight In Next Time" was changed into "A350XWB Countdown To The First Flight".

Now would space for one spaces between A350 and XWB.
What do you think?
Like this: "A350 XWB Countdown To The First Flight"

Or is
A350XWB a good encryption?
DREAMLI a good decryption?

User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3639 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 81634 times:

Quoting Bogi (Thread starter):
in the coming three months,

I think what he actually meant to say was "within 3 months" or "in about 3 months". I don't believe FF is planned for April. Or May.

User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 81470 times:

Quoting art (Reply 22):
I think what he actually meant to say was "within 3 months" or "in about 3 months". I don't believe FF is planned for April. Or May.

User currently offlinercair1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 1451 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 81118 times:

Exciting to see a new type getting ready to soar. I wonder if the wing flex will be as dramatic as the 787. I would assume so - but I have not heard the discussion - though the renderings certainly seem to show it. Have we seen word of static tests? All I can find is that it is "ready" - and "moved to the static test facility".

Quoting sabenapilot (Reply 14):
before the 787 gets its type certificate back!
Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 15):
Indeed they can spoil 787's return to flight with skilled PR such as roll out, taxy tests ... even before the A350 first flight

Really guys - can't we just enjoy a new a/c without being .....

25 Post contains images EPA001 : Don't forget that the A380 also has a lot of wing flex as well. .
26 Post contains images art : +
27 BestWestern : The last time the marketing department decided on the roll-out date Home Depot had a run on Rivets. Let engineering decide the first fight. Me thinks
28 Post contains images Asturias : Me neither! Wow, I'm looking forward
29 Post contains links Bogi : Rolls Royce Trent XWB Engine Installation on First Airbus A350 XWB (26 March 2013 Press Release). The watching was already exciting: http://www.youtub
30 Post contains links Bogi : That's good to smile: SpeaksWiki Article Airbus A350 XWB http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1cS4GKm9v8
31 Revelation : Certainly true, because the 787 already has its type certificate. However there is an Airworthiness Directive that is keeping it grounded till the FA
32 Burkhard : Can't agree more! And I wish the A350 a smooth test program.
33 Post contains images Bogi : cool glasses?
34 Bogi : Is on Friday 3rd May, Monday 13rd May or on Thursday 23rd May roll-out ceremony of the A350?[Edited 2013-04-20 06:49:14]
35 motorhussy : Any word on a potential first flight date? Could there be a flight display at Le Bourget?
36 Speedbird128 : If first flight does occur before the show, the flight test program will be in its absolute infancy, I think that the chances of any flying at Le Bou
37 Bogi : Over one month there is no new informations or photos. This is amazing.
38 rj777 : So is this the A358 or A359?
39 starbucks : A359 *filler, but I don't know how much characters are minimum*
40 Bogi : Starts today the new competition-program B777X? Boeings annual stockholders meeting is April 29 in Chicago.
41 Post contains links and images Bogi : Published on April 29, 2013. Hexcel: The A350 XWB makes its first flight later this year. Hexcel To Attend SAMPE 2013
42 motorhussy : So static?
43 Bongodog1964 : Whats the chance of the 1st flight being during Le Bourget with a live screening on the Airbus stand ?
44 Revelation : I think the ones that would be buying it can find their way to Toulouse, no?
45 Bogi : You think, MSN001 will painted this or next week, then be immediately handed on to the Airbus Flight Test team, for the first time no roll-out event a
46 Bongodog1964 : Of course the buyers can find their way to Toulouse, working on that basis though, why stage Le Bourget or Farnborough as serious potential buyers wi
47 Speedbird128 : I still doubt that Airbus can afford for it to stand around doing nothing when they are desperate to keep any delays down to an absolute minimum... I
48 KarelXWB : The Bourget organisers confirmed that there won't be an A350 static nor flying display. Of course, nothing would prevent Airbus for doing a low pass f
49 Post contains links Bogi : The Airbus A350XWB is not planned to the Paris Air Show, with managing director Gilles Fournier predicting the first flight before the show, which ki
50 KarelXWB : That's what I said? No flying nor static display.
51 Eagleboy : I completely understand Airbus not committing to any display at Le Bourget..........1st flight is still not confirmed itself...........but I would la
52 Post contains images Revelation : Why close down the air show just because the A350 program can't afford the time to park a frame there so early in the program? If one wants to see th
53 KarelXWB : Reminds me of the Cathay 777 low pass flyby at Everett.
54 Post contains links Bogi : With google translated from German into English: "The new twin-engine long-haul Airbus A350 is expected to complete its first flight in June or July.
55 Post contains images cornutt : Only if he barrel-rolls it.
56 Post contains links Bogi : http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...-factor-now-real-unreal-and-untidy Slightly confused? Boeing sees the A350 as competing with 787s. Airbus sees
57 oldeuropean : The second.
58 Asiaflyer : Both.... Depends on what airline it is.
59 KarelXWB : There is no 1-to-1 competition in this segment, many airlines are ordering both aircraft types.
60 scouseflyer : I see it something like this 788 A332 789 A333 A358 7810 A359 772 A35J 773 Basically the two families from A & B overlap and all compete with eac
61 jvaljean : The purpose of this thread is allegedly "counting down" to the first flight of the A350, the market analysis of dilettantes seems best done elsewhere.
62 Bogi : Thank you. Is the theme in the context of the contributions, questions and answers, rather too narrow or too wide?
63 RickNRoll : Neither. Airbus and Boeing both aim to 'differentiate' their product rather than aim for a direct head to head battle. Helps to make sure that they '
64 Post contains links Bogi : Is the number of grains of truth in different statements each getting the number of different answers to the one question, and would be therefore the
65 Post contains links Bogi : Agence France-Presse: The 777X faces competition from Boeing's European arch-rival Airbus, whose new A350, a twin-engine long-haul jetliner, is expect
66 Post contains images tortugamon : I have seen Boeing argue the opposite. I guess when you are trying to sell the 787 you say the 350 competes with the 777 and when you are selling the
67 Bogi : Thanks for the solution of riddle. Amazing logic at Boeing.
68 Post contains links Bogi : Rumor of http://doubledecker.boards.net: "MSN1 will roll out in 10 days.." Monday 13rd May? See:
69 Alpage : If so...Airbus is really aiming for Le Bourget despite their press release... Thank God already got my tickets for it. Can't wait !!!!
70 Post contains links Bogi : "Alestis Aerospace and Teams testing laboratory, located in Aeropolis (aerospace technology park of Andalusia) in Spain, have announced that they have
71 goosebayguy : So Boeing say the 350 competes with the 777 but is heavier than the 787? Weird way to compare that way. Also shows the 350 will beat the 777.
72 Bogi : Yes, that's a bit strange.
73 brilondon : Airbus does not need to get the aircraft flying by the to do business. In todays business world you don't have to have an operating model at a show.
74 Eagleboy : Most people realise this salient fact......numbers sell aircraft not emotions. However getting the A350 airborne at La Bourget would be a major PR co
75 brilondon : That is open to interpretation as you mentioned they revised the timetable a few years ago and even redesigned from scratch the A350 if I am not mist
76 moo : I can't comment on the 787, but the A380 certainy wasn't rushed to first flight - the engine failure issue was a RR manufacturing issue, not a design
77 astuteman : ??? The A380's wings have some of the lowest wing loadings known. The cracks were caused by an inadequate material selection. It related to the weigh
78 tortugamon : I think Boeing's point is that the 787 is much lighter than the 350 because it has less structure. As airlines seem to be interested in 3-3-3 seating
79 brilondon : That was my point. If the cracks were caused by poor choice in material, should that not have been picked up with proper testing of a full maxed out
80 KarelXWB : Because that's how everything in life works: you cannot discover all issues with testing. It's nearly impossible to simulate all possible scenarios.
81 WingedMigrator : No. It was a fatigue problem, where the issue isn't how much load is applied but rather how the material behaves after being loaded for a huge number
82 Eagleboy : Well Airbus have 'officially' ruled out a display at La Bourget. So they are following your logic of not working towards a PR/Marketing related targe
83 douglasyxz : Does it make sense to just fly over the place of Paris Air Show without any prior notice to the visitors? If you do so, you would make sure all camera
84 KarelXWB : Plus, it was very difficult to simulate the behavior of the materials on 30,000 feet in cold temperatures far below zero.
85 RickNRoll : My recollection is that there was no problem at all with the load on the wings, they handled that easily, it was the different expansion/contraction
86 ferpe : It only showed up at certain places on the wing and part of the reason was that there were preset tension at load 0 on those places, these loads came
87 Burkhard : And as early in the test prgram do you get permission to fly over Paris?
88 Bogi : Rumour: Tonight to the paint shop.
89 kl911 : Great! Let's hope it is true. How long does it take the first time to paint it?
90 KarelXWB : Not longer than a week.
91 Post contains links Bogi : Yes, let's hope. ... "rumoured to be headed into the paint shop at Toulouse tonight, a further sign that the first flight of the new Airbus family is
92 Post contains images EPA001 : That would be great. Let's hope the rumor is true. .
93 abba : I am looking forward to see if Airbus is really going to paint the windows area in the font black as on their renderings and how that will look like i
94 AADC10 : There is no way that a 17.4" wide seat will fit in a 10 abreast 777. A 9-Y A350 seat will be wider than a 10-Y 777 seat. Not by much, perhaps 1/2" bu
95 davs5032 : Back-of-the-envelope calculations (albeit basic) tell a different story, however. If you believe that current 777's are flying around with 10X config
96 BoeingVista : Back of the envelope calculations for seat width: Seat guru has BA economy seating 9 across @ 17.5 inches Seat guru has EK economy seating 10 across
97 Post contains images davs5032 : I should have been more clear, I was in a rush and didn't get the point across well. I agree wholeheartedly that the 77X in 10-Y would have narrower
98 RayChuang : Speaking of which, any news on when will Airbus roll out the completed and fully-painted A350XWB-900 prototype?
99 BoeingVista : If a manufacturer puts up a definite number on its website like Airbus has done in this instance you have to assume that they can make it work, its p
100 Post contains links Bogi : The rumor probably came from: http://doubledecker.boards.net/thread/31?page=13 "Got some more info, MSN1 will move to the paint hangar on Monday May 6
101 knoxibus : MSN 001 was moved to the paint hangar in the late afternoon of the 6th May.
102 Bogi : Hard to believe that spotters could not take make any pictures of she.
103 Post contains links tortugamon : Well Qatar's 777 is 9 across @18.9 inches. Does that mean that EK's 10th seat cost an additional 1.9 inches per seat? (yes it does) http://www.seatgu
104 BoeingVista : Eh? Cathays 777 seats are 18.5 inches wide so I guess that BA has very wide aisles, that's very odd.. Airbus guidance seems to be A330 at 9 across se
105 aviaponcho : And the 18" wide 9 abreast A350 is not with non standard 1.5" armrest an 18.1 aisle (acaps 2013 ... it's 17"7 only with then according to acaps 2011 v
106 Bogi : Thanks. Is this information or the rumor not too mysterious, to be true?
107 knoxibus : This is real info. Several people have seen her being moved. Maybe the spotters missed it because she was moved to a close-by paint shop. And maybe no
108 FlyingAY : I can't believe you're making this so difficult! There is a certain width available for seats and ailes. You subtract the minimum permitted aisle wid
109 Bogi : Well, however it looks as though this could be also a rumor or a information of one and the same source.
110 Post contains images KarelXWB : @Bogi Obvious you don't know knoxibus. If you have a look in the previous A350 production threads you will understand why his information is correct
111 Revelation : IMHO we've had enough of this quibbling about seat widths - the thread is about A350XWB Countdown To Launch! Cheers to Knoxibus for this most welcome
112 Post contains links Bogi : Some skepticism still seems appropriate. Nevertheless, the last three or four words of the following superscription are wonderful: Hexcel Celebrates P
113 Post contains images travelavnut : There are a few people on this forum whoes "rumours" I have come to accept as almost-a-fact, knoxibus is one of those people Loving this countdown, c
114 Bogi : Yes, and equal the next wonderful rumor is the first flight of the A350 on 11 June.
115 Stitch : An A350 should be able to do 3+3+3 with an 18" cushion width if they shrink the aisles to 16".
116 KarelXWB : That's how they advertise it I believe.
117 Post contains images lightsaber : First, thank you for the links. But some of that added weight the A350 has over the 787 adds value! The 20% larger wings will mean a lower wing loadi
118 Post contains links Bogi : The Spotters make hopefully not that: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spotten
119 RickNRoll : I have been on Air-Asia-X 9 across A330. I have to say, I was impressed with the number of people they could fit on a plane that size. This was a Mel
120 Asiaflyer : Nor SQ or CX has any 787 on order and I believe the reason being that they only could fit 8 abreast in a 787. Hence they saw the wider A350 cabin add
121 jvaljean : Doesn't SQ still have 20 789s on order?
122 Asiaflyer : The 787 order was transferred to Scoot. SQ instead ordered another 20 A350.
123 RickNRoll : One would almost suspect that Boeing and Airbus have carefully staked out the 8/9/10/11 across seat markets. There is overlap, but a guaranteed nice
124 Post contains links and images NAV20 : No 'suspect' about it, in my view, RickNRoll. Starting a bit late, and needing to compete against two aeroplanes with one (plus eventually replace the
125 Post contains links Confuscius : Paint job but no 'rollout' party for newest Airbus jet LONDON (Reuters) - Airbus has started painting the A350, a sign it is approaching a maiden flig
126 scbriml : The current 787 models are not really a one-for-one 772 replacement. The ever-improving A333 and the A359 have played no small part in 'stalling' 772
127 Post contains images astuteman : They did In the first few years of sales, most 787 orders were 787-8, as that entered service first. They are now. So is the "problem" that the 787-8
128 Post contains links jvaljean : Increasingly pragmatic mood? Bombardier effectively "rolled-out" the CS100 two months ago with an incomplete and unpainted aircraft by calling the ev
129 Post contains images oldeuropean : It's a wise decision to focus on the schedule- Who needs roll out parties? Can't wait to see that beauty, ready and freshly painted. Why on earth do y
130 Post contains images EK413 : Off to the paint shop... EK413
131 francoflier : Ditto Jerry Lewis. Never understood where that myth came from. 95% of people in France have no clue who he even is... I find the Hoff funny though. A
132 Post contains images KarelXWB : Sure he would love to have a ceremony but he's not making all the decisions. Secondly, starting the flight testing is far more important than a laser
133 Post contains links KarelXWB : Yes, that's for the tail strike test. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I6SSE88fF0
134 jvaljean : If the plane can't be spared for a few hours to stage a "proper" roll-out, then there's something seriously wrong. In the case of the 748i, the plane
135 NAV20 : Sincere thanks, KarelXWB - learned something from it! Of COURSE - in an actual 'first flight,' no-one knows for certain what the right speed/angle of
136 Post contains images mariner : The big deal 787 roll-out wasn't such a good idea in retrospect. mariner
137 jvaljean : Boeing rolled-out a "Potemkin" aircraft for the sake of having a ceremony on a date (7-8-7) which was deemed significant and scheduled months in adva
138 Cerecl : So that when A350 encounters problem(s) leading to delays during the period from roll-out to EIS, no one can draw parallel to 787 rollout. Ultimately
139 jvaljean : Unless Airbus decides to substitute a "Potemkin" aircraft for the one we've seen in the photographs, what would be the relevant parallels? You would
140 Cerecl : Flashy ceremonies followed by delays. The exact details do not have to be the same. What I am saying is that whether a ceremony is held or not matter
141 jvaljean : Sorry, I find the notion that eschewing a traditional roll-out ceremony, flashy or otherwise, would somehow insulate/immunize Airbus from criticism f
142 moo : The point isn't to insulate Airbus from talk a year from now, it's to eliminate the talk today. Can't criticise them for having a flashy, expensive ro
143 Post contains images KarelXWB : Who cares about a roll out ceremony! Seriously, such a party is for customers, journalists and political people only. I'm waiting for: - High-res pict
144 Eagleboy : And these events will generate media attention of their own.....so Airbus will still get the PR value without a flashy 'roll-out ceremony'. Funny thi
145 jvaljean : Why does a roll-out necessarily have to be flashy and expensive? Seems to me it can be done at a very modest cost and still garner significant media
146 zeke : It was only when you expressed it like that that I realized it has almost been 6 years, how many have been delivered so far 50 ? I guess is that sort
147 Revelation : At the risk of major flamage, I'll say I like the looks of the GE engines (you know, the ones the A350 Mk 1 was supposed to have) much better (even t
148 Burkhard : Not if it affects their own luxury life style paid by their company or other companies if they haven't to pay taxes for it.
149 mariner : I've never quite understood the point of any rollout. The first appearance of the A380 didn't stop the cynics. I think first flight is the great mome
150 Stitch : Employee morale? If I had worked on bringing a new aircraft into the world, I'd like to celebrate it with a roll-out (as well as first flight, of cou
151 Post contains images KarelXWB : Now I wonder how those poor Boeing employees must have felt on 7-8-7
152 Post contains links tortugamon : I believe that the 789 is well positioned as a 772 replacement. http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...nalysis-meet-boeings-777-200e.html tortugamon
153 mariner : They can have rool-outs, or roll-arounds, up the wazoo, for the staff. But surely, the point of an aircraft is to fly? All I remember of the A380 rol
154 TheRedBaron : Amen to this! I got really happy on the A380 FF, I even Cheered and did not go to work !!! weirdly enough the 787 after so many delays, did not get s
155 Post contains links KarelXWB : Sure, unless one need those 20 extra seats (77E can seat 314 pax in a 10 abreast Y layout). Speeches, music, dancing, laser show etc. Hell you can't
156 Post contains images airbazar : I don't remember a thing about the A380 rollout but I'll never forget the first flight. Airplanes are made to fly, not to be towed around by a tug
157 Post contains links EPA001 : I found a short video of that 2005 event. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEI2va6KBOU[Edited 2013-05-09 12:53:33]
158 Post contains links and images EK413 : Nice comparison of the A350 vs B787 Source: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=103093594#post103093594 EK413
159 BoeingVista : The scale is all wrong though.
160 francoflier : The similarities between the main landing gears is a bit eerie. Did both design use the VC-10 'multi-strut' gear'approach? I know it had to do with re
161 ferpe : They both used the Boeing standard approach, Messier learned that it was better when doing the MLG for the 787 and told Airbus for the A350 IMO. The
162 Post contains images Jumpjet : Is there anywhere that I can get a look at some silhouettes of various airliners scaled one against another please, as I'm trying to get my head aroun
163 travelavnut : Funny, the similarity of the MLG doors is very striking to me! Of course I am not a technical person, so I am probably missing a lot of big differenc
164 mjoelnir : Do I understand what you are saying right? The MLG is not done like in the VC10? The VC10 being a bit older than the B 767.
165 ferpe : In total 40 VC10 were built whereof 29 for the captive BOAC in the 1960ies. Furhter it was a very odd ariframe configurtion with double rear engines,
166 mjoelnir : As Boeing is doing it since the B 707 it is of course like Boeing, also the VC10 did it like Boeing. But the rest of your post I do not accept, you a
167 bongodog1964 : I think one of the factors is the closeness of Le Bourget, Airbus traditionally make a big splash for their home airshow, some have the theory that b
168 A520 : ... unless they do a roll-out in Toulouse but during Le Bourget ... and organise a free transfer (airport to airport should not be difficult) for the
169 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Jon posted another picture: Larger view here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/flightblogger/8725540643/in/photostream
170 Pygmalion : Has Airbus completed the static testing needed to clear the A350 for flight? I looked for news but couldn't find anything. Here are some of the milest
171 Post contains images Vasu : I prefer the Boeing paintjob to the Airbus one
172 Post contains images KarelXWB : Airbus has tested at least all critical components last summer at IABG.
173 BuyantUkhaa : By the way, did anyone else notice that the main gear wheels are spaced much further apart (on one axle) than usual on the A350? What would be the rea
174 airbazar : The most striking difference to me is how much cleaner the 787 wing is. The A350 has enourmous "canoes" compared to the 787 wing. I noticed that too.
175 tortugamon : -Other than AF it is hard to find a 77E with 10 abreast seating. EK has 6. If airlines are trying to replace this highest produced 777 variant (for a
176 KarelXWB : Both airlines will operate both types, there must be another reason.
177 ferpe : In the 350 prototype production thread we speculate that what remains after 1 month of testing in hangar C63 (after the 350 was complete late March)
178 EK413 : That's another nice comparison of the 2. EK413
179 Post contains images airmagnac : Airbus tried a camouflage motif to keep the A350 hidden until it's completly ready... Needless to say, they failed miserably ; the ever-watching Kare
180 Ruscoe : If you straightened out those nice looking winglets on the 350, would look like the nice looking wingtips on the 787. Ruscoe
181 Post contains images airbazar : If you really straightened out those nice looking winglets on the 350 it would look like the mother of a 757
182 Post contains images mjoelnir : If you keep those sharklets it stays an A350.
183 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : A small teaser: There are more pictures in the A350 production thread.
184 Post contains links Bogi : There are more pictures in facebook.
185 Post contains links NAV20 : This looks to be the likely outcome. The A350 making its first flight well before the Paris show, but not participating in the show itself; the 787 fl
186 Bogi : "Monday, Monday" is the XWB in Color.
187 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Another teaser:
188 RayChuang : In short, F-XWBA will have the standard Airbus "house" livery just like A380 MSN 001.
189 comorin : The A350 wing seems to cantilever down towards the tip, while the 787 seems to flex upward. Is there some kind of prestressing of the wing spar going
190 a380900 : I guess you refer to the pics where we see them slightly from the back. Keep in mind the 787 seems to have a high velocity with flaps extended wherea
191 abba : It looks white under the plastic - even around the windows! Will it remain so?
192 Post contains links and images Bogi : More:
193 Post contains images Revelation : Clearly designed by men!
194 Bogi : Whence this "wisdom"?
195 Post contains images AirlineCritic : Gives a new meaning to the white euro style I know it won't stay that way. The windows and other parts have been covered and will soon be again visibl
196 Post contains links discovery1 : Eh, close enough: http://oi39.tinypic.com/f24ozm.jpg Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcJ-wNmazHQ
197 Post contains images sturmovik : I thought we were already done with the Pope business..
198 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : While we wait, here is a picture of the initial engine run of the first 787: http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/7247046956/
199 Post contains links and images Bogi : The back part
200 Post contains images Klaus : What, no live video feed yet...?
201 Bogi : Comes earlier or later.[Edited 2013-05-12 15:06:17]
202 comorin : Thanks, but not sure what you mean? In the pictures, both aircraft are on the ground so the wings are unloaded.
203 a380900 : It's not either/or in my view. If the plane is fast enough on the ground, the wings do take some load which changes their shape. And in this case, it
204 Post contains images NAV20 : Guys, PLEASE............ The most likely reason for the wing dihedral angles appearing to be (subtly) different is that one camera was closer to the
205 Post contains links Bthebest : http://www.aeronewstv.com/en/ suggests First Flight will be week of 10th June - nothing official though. Other details on taxi tests etc.
206 Eagleboy : Saw an image Airbus site.......Airbus current corporate livery. Looks like an airplane now. Sleek and Euro white!!!![Edited 2013-05-13 06:14:02]
207 Post contains links lszb : New pictures on the official airbus homepage: http://www.airbus.com/galleries/phot...to-gallery/filter/a350-xwb-family/
208 Post contains links and images sturmovik : http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...50-emerges-in-full-colours-385779/ She looks awesome..
209 Bogi : Slender young style.
210 Post contains images speedbird2263 : That bird's got swag...I never thought I'd say it when I found out awhile back they were going with the A380 style nose, but she's got it. -2263
211 Post contains links and images Bogi : The Glasses has a thin edge.
212 Bthebest : Great angle!
213 lightsaber : That is a 'lifting nose,' it cuts cruise drag nicely and improves low speed stability. Lightsaber
214 Post contains images mbj2000 : Looks great! It had somehow a chubby figure as it was unpainted, but now it's just WOW!
215 BoeEngr : That's one nice looking bird. Congratulations to the men and women of Airbus. Well done.
216 virginblue4 : Looks much sleeker than I had ever imagined. Very excited to see it make it's first flight!
217 Post contains images United727 : Let the speculation begin...A350 flight during one of the more famous air shows in "France"? Maybe..Possibly..Could be?
218 FriendlySkies : Nice looking bird...but that ninja mask looks pretty darn cheesy.
219 Post contains images oykie : The A350 is easily one of the best looking airplanes! Just stunning!!! The A350 looks state of the art and just looking at it shows the advances human
220 Post contains images lightsaber : That it does... Maybe it will grow on us? But it does look like a cheesy 'superhero' mask. In everything but the 'window mask.' Lightsaber
221 Coronado : Very distinctive eyes, if this is carried over to delivered production units for their customers, this killer white shark mask will certainly be notic
222 Post contains images oykie :
223 ETinCaribe : Very nice indeed. It will look even better in some of the customers c/s. to me, the nose looked smaller relative to the size of the body, but still ve
224 Post contains images ghifty : Since some people don't like the window mask, here's what the A350 looks like without them. And the 787 with them.
225 tonystan : Yeah not feeling the "glasses"! Or the black eyes which I think are more apt!!! Lol
226 Post contains images EPA001 : Yes she does! . I always was positive about that nose, but the result is even better looking then expected. In most customer liveries she will look e
227 curiousflyer : Very unexpected retro nose! I like it a lot.
228 Post contains images lightsaber : I see room to have fun with the A350 design... Ack, it looks like an attack chipmunk! Lightsaber
229 Post contains images speedbird2263 : I remember reading it had to do with better aerodynamics but didn't quite get the details. I'm all or better performance and efficiency indeed. The a
230 Post contains links and images Bogi : Good work
231 Post contains links ghifty : Airbus just posted the official rollout video on their YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHr8l2sfWig Some very beautiful views. The A350 is a pr
232 na : Not a plane to get exited about. Just a few little details are different, otherwise its a generic twinjet like sadly almost everyone else these days.
233 RickNRoll : They do have to obey the laws of physics and economics.
234 pvjin : Beautiful aircraft, I like the shape of the nose way better than with B787.
235 Post contains links and images EK413 : Source: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=103234157#post103234157 EK413
236 na : Sure, but if everything looks the same nobody can expect me to say "wow". In 10 years there will only be the A380 and the 748F as newbuild planes whi
237 Post contains images mariner : I think it is a fine-looking aircraft, stylish and even elegant. mariner
238 Post contains images tropical : I might live in cuckooland, but I wouldn't bet against a new supersonic passenger jet being introduced in the next 20-25 years. Couldn't say whether
239 AirPacific747 : It looks better than I expected but it is not a pretty aircraft. The 777 looks better and so does the 787 even though I am not a huge fan of the 787 e
240 Post contains images Jumpjet : My thoughts, for what they're worth, is that this is a very attractive machine. It has a definite grace and appeal to it, almost a feminine look whil
241 Post contains images Pihero : Amusing : the party crashers and party spoilers on this thread - and the other, btw - must be teed off To be serious : What is amazing - to me, at lea
242 Jumpjet : So how do the dimension compare to the B787? I've tried to find a couple of scaled silhouettes of the A350 and B787 against each other without joy.
243 autothrust : Strongly disagree, the 777 is just a tube and is as boring as hell, the 787 is thousand times more aestethically pleasing. I would dare to say even m
244 gatorman96 : Awesome bird. congrats Airbus! I know people always say an airplane is a tube with wings, they all look the same, but it is amazing to see all of the
245 cv990coronado : What a beautiful aircraft even better than the 787 and she is good looking. Lets hope she is as quiet as the 380, she is of course much better looking
246 StickShaker : I agree the 350 is particularly elegant and graceful in appearance - but the best could be yet to come. Once in flight there will no doubt be quite a
247 Post contains images Revelation : Then Superfly will love it!
248 maxter : Too true Mariner, too true... and for those of us who were fortunate to have flown in the Viscount and Comet era, it also has some nostalgia value as
249 Revelation : Not to start anything, but it would be interesting to see side-by-side head-on views of A350 and B787 showing wing-to-body treatment, dihedral, etc.
250 a380900 : Plus the 777 has the cockpit windows of the 767. Talk about boring!
251 Post contains images afriwing : For the first time we have an airplane that came out better looking than the rendering. True the slope of the nose in side-view is a bit strange, but
252 A388 : Great and a beautiful aircraft I must say. The new generation of aircraft of both Boeing and Airbus are nice, the redesigned nose section is totally d
253 davs5032 : I like overall looks of the A359 very much. I expected it to be a very sleek, modern looking, well-proportioned airplane and it has turned out just as
254 Post contains links Bogi : All current photos from the Airbus-Galery in high res: http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/medi...00/A350_XWB_out_of_paint_shop1.jpg http://www.airbus.com
255 Post contains links and images A388 : First photo on airliners.net: View Large View MediumPhoto © T.Laurent This is just very nice!!! A very appropriate registration too!!! Cheers, A388
256 hivue : There are a dozen probes clustered right around the nose -- air data, AoA, etc. I assume (static ports look they're on the right side of the fuselage)
257 Post contains images EPA001 : Well, the difference between the B777 and the B787 is not a factor 1,000 to me. I like the B777 design, but I do like the shape of the B787 better. W
258 Post contains images NAV20 : Strange really - these are basically transport aeroplanes - we don't usually expect other transport modes, like buses or trains, to be 'pretty.' I di
259 ContnlEliteCMH : I love the black mask around the cockpit windows. I don't like the A380 windows (with which these share a similar shape) but the black mask really doe
260 AirPacific747 : Apparently my post was very controversial. Sorry about that. Because most of us in here are passionate about aviation. But I guess most people don't c
261 Post contains images airbazar : You obviously don't know any "train people" They're just as passionate about it.
262 Post contains links and images ferpe : This has already been done in the A350 prototypes production thread, here the 359 vs 789 (359 vs 788 would not be fair, they are too different in cap
263 Post contains images sturmovik : That plane has the best proportions!
264 JoeCanuck : I'm happy that brand new planes are being made but I can't say any of the big twins look significantly better than any other...they all look basically
265 thunderboltdrgn : Then what is the definition of interesting? Is it only the looks that makes a plane interesting or could things that you cannot see from the outside
266 JoeCanuck : I'm only talking about looks...that's why I specifically say 'interesting looking'. As I mentioned, I fully understand why twins make the most sense
267 queb : Per Jon Ostrower on Twitter: "Sources: Airbus aims for 1st A350 APU run as early as Wed., Trent XWB engine start as early as week's end. MSN1 in C63 b
268 Atlflyer : I think the 787-9 will look much better than the 787-8. The A350-900 I think will be the best of all the A350s...
269 motorhussy : I'll add my 2-cents worth and congratulate Airbus for this most elegant of big twins. To me, this is the best looking aircraft there is currently, des
270 Post contains links and images Revelation : Thanks! Another comparison, now that both have their evening clothes on!
271 Pihero : Static ports are paired on symetrical positions on both sides of the fuselage. See TechOps thread for the rest of your question.
272 blrsea : The A350 looks like a cool guy while the 787 appears to be having a wide smile due to its livery!
273 RickNRoll : The 787 looks wider.
274 Post contains images Revelation : Wonder if someone will get out Photoshop and give the 787 the "raccoon eyes"?
275 ghifty : I already did. Reply 224.
276 Bogi : Is the envy already large and empties into one of the new themes?
277 Bogi : Soon are started for the first time APU and also in the next days the Trent engines.
278 Revelation : Thanks, I enjoyed that, but I was also wondering what 787 + raccoon eyes would look like.
279 Post contains images KarelXWB : I'm not sure yet, the A350-1000 will look pretty nice with those six-wheel bogies
280 Bogi : Is the A350-900 the new beautiful boss in the sky?
281 motorhussy : Until her big sister arrives.
282 Post contains images francoflier : No. Haven't you heard? It's the ugliest airliner in history, as per a global consensus...
283 Bogi : Was that a "global consensus" from malicious tongues?
284 Post contains links Bogi : "Maiden flight on 13 June" http://www.airliners.de/airbus-nennt-termin-fuer-a350-erstflug/29631
285 Post contains links AirPacific747 : There's a video of the rollout of the hangar from Airbus here http://youtu.be/DHr8l2sfWig Sorry if it was already posted.
286 Post contains links and images Bogi : "A350" belly painting for the flyover to Le Bourget? From http://www.facebook.com/A350XWB
287 Ruscoe : The 787 just does it, and airlines are doing it. I agree with this, but although an attractive aircraft, the 6 cockpit windows, the straight wing (no
288 RickNRoll : If the 787 can do nine across, then the A350 can do ten across.
289 JoeCanuck : It could with about 16" wide seats. I believe the seats in the 9 abreast 787 are 17.2 inches...or about the same as on the 10 abreast 777 or 747 or 6
290 DeltaB717 : Those winglets!!! O... M... G!!!
291 Bogi : A well equipped young beautiful lady of the sky.
292 parapente : Reply 289 It could with about 16" wide seats. I believe the seats in the 9 abreast 787 are 17.2 inches...or about the same as on the 10 abreast 777 or
293 Alpage : Excellent point Bogi about the belly pain...
294 ghifty : Like the 767 bandit? Could this be the "modification" to the livery which has been talked about?
295 StickShaker : It should bend a bit in flight - makes it all the more elegant. Cheers, StickShaker
296 Post contains images MigPilot : actually I like it when the wings do not bend so much upwards. For me, the 787 wings flex way too much. It more looks like a sailplane than a jet pla
297 KarelXWB : Airbus advertises 10-abreast on its website and AirAsiaX will do 10-abreast so yes it is possible. I believe the seats will be around 16.4".
298 Post contains links and images NAV20 : Yes, Ruscoe, I was just plain wrong! Not sure if (even though I'm no more than 'normal size') I'd enjoy sitting in a 17" seat on a 6,000-mile flight,
299 scbriml : In what way is the tail "disproportionate"? That will be the choice of its customers, not Airbus.
300 Post contains images BuyantUkhaa : Where does it hurt?
301 Post contains images EPA001 : So even before the Paris Air Show!? . What works for EK must also work for Airbus. . Still I would not like to fly on such a configured aircraft for
302 Post contains images Klaus : You're entitled to your subjective preferences, but I see none of what you're seeing. That the bogies are obviously custom-made for the A359 (each of
303 starbucks : The -900 and -800 share the same bogie AFAIK
304 Klaus : The schematic drawings posted elsewhere seemed to show the -800 getting a narrower set, which would make sense since it doesn't have as much weight to
305 Ruscoe : My apologies Klaus, it was my way of saying in my opinion, the bogies on the 359 look awkward, and as if they were not meant for this aircraft. Rusco
306 maxter : Wonky and entirely predictable, nothing new here, time to move along.
307 Post contains images KarelXWB : Here is the picture:
308 macc : Anyone has news about ground testing? taxi and braking? And MODS, can I suggest a second part? We have come to more than 300 posts now.
309 starbucks : Little birds were tjirping about first APU run today..... Haven't heard about it actually happening yet
310 Klaus : It's a rather large and heavy bird, so pavement loading needs to be addressed. That the -1000 is getting six-wheel bogies is a pretty good sign that
311 Post contains links Bogi : Yea! http://tvnz.co.nz/travel-news/first-...ld-make-paris-show-flypast-5444073
312 Post contains images Alpage : No pain no gain... Thanks BuyantUkhaa
313 NAV20 : Pretty clear now that Airbus are hoping to do a 'fly-over' at the Paris Show. But that will depend on all the ground and air tests going perfectly; t
314 deaphen : Any actual flight deck or interior shots? Nitin
315 frigatebird : Looks like the -800 will indeed get a narrower bogie. I thought the -800 would be a non-optimised 'simple' shrink from the -900, but it seems it will
316 flyingturtle : Do they need to prove 24 hours of safe operations until they can fly over populated areas? At least I've heard that number during the 787 flight test
317 JoeCanuck : If they fly before or during the airshow, I have no doubt they will do a fly by...probably nothing fancy but enough to get some fantastic press. After
318 a380900 : I'm skeptical about the A350 flying at Le Bourget. This all feels like unnecessary rush. After the 787 roll out, I just dislike the idea of manufactur
319 Ruscoe : I think it is highly likely that Airbus have some 350 sales which are dependant on a successful first fight. IMO geting in the air before Paris is imp
320 JoeCanuck : Well, first flight at least does fit in with the Airbus timetable. As much as they'd like to fly at the show, I think, (hope), Airbus has learned a t
321 A380900 : Still. I think sending the plane there just "out of the egg", with no extensive tests beforehand, does not really make sense. I mean it would be its
322 motorhussy : They will not cut corners to fly-by at Le Bourget but you can bet that they're quietly working away to ensure that everything goes smoothly and the st
323 RickNRoll : Live feed to a big screen TV from Toulouse?
324 Post contains links iowaman : Due to length of this thread, it will be archived. Part two is available here: A350XWB Countdown To The First Flight Part 2 (by iowaman May 21 2013 in
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