Defunctairline From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3124 times:
National Airlines is now in a world of trouble. Their Letter Of Credit expires in early October, and with the major shutdowns they are lossing mega $$$. Also I don't think anyone would want to fly this airline because of the 757-200 Fleet ( Which was targeted by the hijackers ) , also since N7 only flies long haul flights they have a lot of fuel ( Another factor targeted by hijackers). They also have a hub in Vegas a big city. I would not be suprised if who ever these people are hit Las Vegas or a another West Coast city.
P.S. I hope All Of You In NY Are Allright. I My Self Have Lost Friends And Family.
Mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31122 posts, RR: 74 Reply 2, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2487 times:
Not only has jetBlue fared REMARKABLY well during this tragedy, so far, but they are offering heavily discounted tickets to family of the WTC victims so they can get to New York City. Not only is that an incredible gesture (and, to be entirely honest, on a marketing stand point, that will get them customers and attention, though that is not the point), that shows they care about thier home town and the victims, but they would not be doing it if they could not afford not to. N6 is not your typical start-up. They actually have money to spend and waste.
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2115 times:
JetBlue reported profits (which many privately held companies usually don't report to media outlets) ahead of schedule, and still are maintaining profitability. National is in CH. 11, and considering the industry as a whole has lost well over $500 million dollars because of the ground stop, no telling how much these financially troubled carriers have lost. It would not be a big surprise if National is still flying a month from now. People will be afraid to fly for who knows how long, and people will also try to avoid flights on 757s and 767s just because those types were used in the attacks, and on top of that, many people flying transcontinential flights my choose to fly multileg flights as opposed to nonstops for the same reasons as they may avoid 757s and 767s. The ground stop killed Midway, and will more than likely kill National. And I think perhaps Vanguard may be on the critical list because losses due to the ground stop as well.
Fleet service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 622 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2089 times:
WN may well come thru this in decent shape, jetblue on the other hand is another story.One of their core routes, JFK-FLL is historically a leisure market, if leisure traffic levels continue to erode will they remain "Flush"?
Yes, I actually *do* work for an airline,how about you?
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31122 posts, RR: 74 Reply 10, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2006 times:
The NYC-Miami markert (MIA/FLL/JFK) is highly business too, but MIA get's the buisness passengers (mainly AA), while FLL get's the lesiure passenger (WN, JB, DLX). Trust me, you won't many see flights end on this route, maybe one or two, and it is not as low yield as one may think. This is the most traveled city pair in the US. JB will do FINE. They average 95% loads on FLL-JFK on six, soon eight, daily fligts, and have plans to start FLL-LGB next year. Yes, traffic will drop off for a few months, but everyone, including AA and UA, will recover, with few exceptions (maybe National).
SegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1962 times:
Ah, but the Florida - East coast yields are PATHETIC!! I can book you a last minute fare from Palm Beach to Newark for about $220 ONE WAY.... versus other markets that charge 4 and 5 times that.... 14 day fares almost ALWAYS seem to hover around $110 - $150 round trip.....
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 76 Reply 12, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1941 times:
I seriously doubt that the aircraft type will pprevent a person from flying. The common travler doesn't know what kind of plane they are flying on. It doesn't really matter. Also, the 757/767 were targeted because they were large aircraft fully fueled for a transcon flight. A terrorist will use whatever aircraf they can get ahold of, if they want to.
"Never tell anybody outside the family what you're thinking again"
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31122 posts, RR: 74 Reply 16, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1782 times:
Excluding West Palm Beach and Islip, there are about 60 (I think actual number is 56) flights a day between South Florida and the New York City area, and rarely do those flights leave without a pretty full aircraft. Yields might not be the best in the world (though please look at how much it would cost to fly MIA-LGA last minute), but it is America's most popular city pair and will remain that. And we're not talking filling up 737s here. AA runs 757s, A300s, and 767s on this route with little, if any, trouble filling up business. DL and Pan Am used to fly 747s on MIA-JFK, and Tower Air filled up 747s everyday on MIA-JFK until they went under. FLL-JFK is the route that keeps jetBlue running.
LMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2559 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1726 times:
Why would people not fly B757/767 or other fully fuel laden flights? There is nothing wrong with the planes, and the fuel is a neccessary evil, for lack of a better expression. The problem is the people with twisted minds whom we can all run into everyday without knowing. How many murderers have you sat next to in a bus or train or restaurant?
Doug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3163 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1720 times:
Sinlock- not spending money!?!?!??! Fine, the grounded aircraft weren't burning gas. many will have larger than usual ramp fees (espeicaly cargo airlines). Pilots and FAs at oustation will still be paid whatever hourly bonusus their airline gives for this. payments on aircraft and leases still will be due. salaried employees still get paid, as will the hourly people working phones and reservations desks. In the coming week or two, airlines will have to shell out a LOT for overtime, and probably burn a decent amount of gas flying empty planes into position. Airplanes on the ground DO cost money, thats why airlines strive for high utilization.
D L X From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 10561 posts, RR: 53 Reply 19, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1691 times:
"During the Groundstop airlines were not makeing money...but they were also not spending money ether....(well not much) "
That's far from the truth. The airlines are constantly spending money. They have to pay for the planes, the office space, the gate space, the labor, etc. Midway Airlines went out of business during the ground stop because they were losing so much money and not taking any in, the chances of them ever emerging from bankruptcy were nil.
Padcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1664 times:
OK, I'm concluding from the responses that JB has done "really well" while their aircraft sit grounded and they're still "flush" with cash. Also, they make alot of money in the NYC-FLL market, which has a average yield of $105. It most likely won't even effect them when DL adds an additional 4 flights in the coming months to PBI and FLL.
Mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31122 posts, RR: 74 Reply 22, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1613 times:
Padcrasher, your right, it most likely won't affect them because while DL is adding four more flights, jetBlue is adding five more flights, and jetBlue has already made a name for itself in South Florida that Delta Express has not. Delta Express is mainly meant to get tourist FROM the Northeast and Midwest TO Florida at cheap prices. South Floridians perfer flying American, Continental, and jetBlue, as well as mainline Delta, over Delta Express.
Padcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (11 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1571 times:
Who knew that South Florida had all this pent up demand for NYC? JB adding more capacity is even better. The yield should drop to $65 and they will just wait DL out using their huge cash reserves obtained from their wildly profitable operation.