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LH Will Use The A380 For Frankfurt-Shanghai Route  
User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1987 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7351 times:

Announced by Carsten Spohr, LH's CEO :


“We will put the A380 into Shanghai, hopefully in the summer as we are still working with the authorities.”

More detailed info here :

http://www.businesstraveller.com/asi...ufthansa-to-fly-a380-into-shanghai

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User currently offlinewilco737 From Greenland, joined Jun 2004, 9031 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7286 times:
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Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
We will put the A380 into Shanghai, hopefully in the summer as we are still working with the authorities

That's good news. PVG is a good route for the A380 and I am sure flights will be well booked.

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User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 823 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6677 times:

Instead or on top of PEK?
Has the bilateral changed without us all wise men knowing?  

Some interesting points in the article.
"It’s not the end of growth in Asia-Pacific, but it’s true that for us the region has not performed as well in the first quarter as we would hope.”



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User currently onlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6598 times:

This is just my opinion but China is not the golden goose everyone seems it to believe. It is is true that they have a expanding middle/upper class with disposable income but they are just as price conscious as the West.

The Chinese carriers, CA,MU, CZ etc, have all seen their revenues drop over the past few months. LH is a well run Company and their "bean counters" know what they doing.



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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2640 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6523 times:
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Quoting legacyins (Reply 3):

That, or everyone rushed to enter the Chinese market and there is way too much capacity in a market which has not yet fully matured.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2707 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6523 times:

Quoting Semaex (Reply 2):
Some interesting points in the article.
"It’s not the end of growth in Asia-Pacific, but it’s true that for us the region has not performed as well in the first quarter as we would hope.”

Intersesting in deed. So because or even though the region has not performed as well as they would have hoped they want to send an A 380 instead of a B 744, thereby increasing the seat number by almost 200 units?


User currently offlinesteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1385 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6326 times:

Wasn't Franz the CEO?

With no new A380 deliveries planned till next year, I guess they will be increasing utilization of the current machines, which, if I am not wrong, have still some hours free in the current schedule.
Unless they change metal on one of the current routes.
Maybe 748s will be deployed to MIA or JFK to free up A380s for PVG?


User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

No, is just Western Carriers in Alliance quick likely have corporate customers with accounts from both side, so the yield and load were higher, beside many 'non-regular' traveler in China would likely not too fuss about whom they travel with (as they don't need to accumulate FFP, Europe is likely not a regular destination for most. If this is a domestic flight, the 'big three; would dominate, int flts, Chinese carriers won't be.


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User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5675 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 3):
This is just my opinion but China is not the golden goose everyone seems it to believe. It is is true that they have a expanding middle/upper class with disposable income but they are just as price conscious as the West.

True. The demand is incredible but the yield is low. And the trend is that it will become even lower in the near future.

Quoting Semaex (Reply 2):
Instead or on top of PEK?

The PEK is actually a much bigger market for LH because they have their Star member CA. But CA is ... not happy about the 380 issue... CA thought it's a capacity dump ...

[Edited 2013-04-15 18:12:49]

User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3015 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5596 times:
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If LH728 gets the A380, will that mean the discontinuation of the seasonal second-daily LH732 flight?


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User currently offlinestylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 2974 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5554 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 5):
Intersesting in deed. So because or even though the region has not performed as well as they would have hoped they want to send an A 380 instead of a B 744, thereby increasing the seat number by almost 200 units?

on the other hand the A380 has better economics than the B744 (eventhough they are paid off...). this might put a much better light on this decision.
if I'm not mistaken LH wanted to enter PVG with the A380 right away, but regulatories denied this. for the time being only EK is sending it 3x weekly and CZ daily to CAN. for the Shanghai market this also is a question of prestige.


User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3125 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4971 times:
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Quoting steman (Reply 6):

I wouldn't mind JFK switching to the 748i! Don't get me wrong, a LOVE the whalejet, but we get enough of them at JFK that one seasonal one switching to the 748i is not a big deal!  



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User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4190 times:

Quoting steman (Reply 6):
Wasn't Franz the CEO?

Franz is the Chairman of the Executive Board and CEO of the LH Group,
Spohr is the CEO of Lufthansa German Airlines.

... this from the top of my head but I'm pretty sure I'm right  



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User currently offlineIrishpower From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

On a side note do we know what names LH will come up with for their next batch of A380's?

I'd think Shanghai, San Francisco, Mumbai, Bangkok, Toronto, Istanbul could all be contenders.


User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

Quoting justinlee (Reply 8):
Quoting legacyins (Reply 3):This is just my opinion but China is not the golden goose everyone seems it to believe. It is is true that they have a expanding middle/upper class with disposable income but they are just as price conscious as the West.

True. The demand is incredible but the yield is low. And the trend is that it will become even lower in the near future.

Doesn't that make the best argument for the 380 (allowing that perhaps a paid-off 744 may still be cheaper)? This seems to me to be the perfect usage for a 380 -- where there is sufficient demand but yields are low enough that you need to cram down CASM as much as possible. Granted, the 380 is still relatively premium-heavy at LH, but the CASM should help balance that out a bit.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2707 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

Quoting justinlee (Reply 8):
The PEK is actually a much bigger market for LH because they have their Star member CA. But CA is ... not happy about the 380 issue... CA thought it's a capacity dump ...

A little bit OT but then again maybe not: do you know more about the rumour that they will lease some A 380s from CZ?


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