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Ansett Comes To A Close, Air NZ Saved By A Hair  
User currently offlineMattNZ From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 150 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3167 times:

The protest from Ansett staff comes after Air New Zealand-owned Ansett, Australia's second airline, finally collapsed in the early hours of Friday morning, leaving thousands of staff and passengers stranded.

Administrator Peter Hedge announced at 4am NZT there was insufficient money to keep Ansett Australia, Ansett International and regional airlines Hazelton, Kendell, Skywest and Aeropelican in the air.

Air New Zealand put the airline into the hands of administrators PriceWaterhouseCoopers earlier this week.

"We had been exploring a number of avenues for financing, certainly the government was one, and unfortunately after midnight last night all our avenues were exhausted," Mr Hedge from PriceWaterhouseCoopers said.

The last Ansett flight left Perth late Thursday night and arrived in Melbourne Friday morning. Shocked passengers due to fly Ansett from airports around the country were left trying to work out how to get home.

Meanwhile Air New Zealand is just scraped from the same with the government $330 million cash injection.


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User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

And owing Ansett staff approx $600 million AUD in benefits and pay.

Air New Zealand, take your planes and your staff and fly home. You are no longer welcome in Australia.

mb


User currently offlineJet_guy From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

mx5_boy,
I would like to hear your reasons for hating NZ so much?? I have read it in the other post....

The fact is that NZ had NO MONEY to help Ansett survive!!!!

Sam


User currently offline364512158 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

I agree that Air New Zealand is not welcome in Ausralia and that the kiwis should be held responsible for the great loss and hardship that they are now putting on the former Ansett staff.

User currently offlineJet_guy From New Zealand, joined Aug 2000, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

why????????????????????????????????????????!!!

User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2646 times:

Sam,

Air New Zealand has destroyed one of our national Icon's and is attempting to dishoner AN workers entitlements. That is the tip of the iceburg.

Through mismanagement, taking on an airline it had no idea how to run, no monetary support to give AN it has destroyed our once great airline.

Why?

Goodbye Air New Zealand.

mb


User currently offline364512158 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Ansett was a great and successful airline prior to Air New Zealand taking control,
ANZ has run it into the ground and sacrficed ansett to save itsself. Air New Zealand
replaced ansett's sucesful systems with ANZ's inferior systems, sucking money from
ansett to boost itsself, and ANZ sacked lower and upper senior management and
used Air New Zealnd managers that knew nothing about ansett and its opperation.
Ansett was bigger and better than Air New Zealand.


User currently offlineAir Taiwan From Australia, joined Dec 1999, 1518 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

It would be unfair to say that it was all Air New Zealand's fault that Ansett went down. But to be quite honest, if Singapore Airlines took the other half of Ansett instead of Air New Zealand, Ansett wouldn't have been like this today.

I'm not suggesting that Ansett had no problems prior to Air NZ's takeover, but that Singapore Airlines had the abilities to repair it.

Also I can't stress enough that this is not a OZ-NZ war... People in NZ is just like people in Australia! This is about the aviation business, and not ordinary people. But then all the NZers have to realise how hard the grounding of Ansett has and will hurt us. And the fact that the NZ government didn't show the slightest intent to help really didn't help either. So you cannot blame that there are a lot of people in Australia that are directing the anger to New Zealand as a country.

I hope situations improve for cross-tasmans relations.

Jimmy


User currently offline364512158 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2611 times:

Are the all the ground crews in sydney and melbourne still refusing to refuel, to provide catering and cleaning and are the three Anz Aircraft still blockaded?

User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

Jimmy,

How can the situation improve when so many people who hold Ansett tickets on forward bookings and can't possibly get anywhere? People stranded on holiday? They will know who to blame, they know who the culprits are and they are disgusted.

Air New Zeland OUT!!

mb


User currently offline364512158 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

I agree with you 100% Mx5_boy

User currently offlineAir Taiwan From Australia, joined Dec 1999, 1518 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

I know, I totally understand what you are saying, Mx5_boy. Don't forget that my favourite airline is Ansett as well. I haven't eaten anything today, just watching Skynews, hoping that some sort of miracle would happend to Ansett...

I feel so useless just watching my favourite airline going down, live...

Jimmy



User currently offline364512158 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

There might be something we can do, that is start a partion with names of people who would be able to donate money. even if it was only a couple of dollars, if most of the people on here do it then we would have a large amount that we could take to the Ansett Pilots Association if they plan to buy it out.

User currently offlineAir Taiwan From Australia, joined Dec 1999, 1518 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

Count me in!!!!

Jimmy


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

Jimmy,

Word can't really describe how I feel at the moment. Incredibly angry comes to mind. Fearful too for the many Ansett employees who have always made my flights extrordinary. Only those of us who fly AN on a regular basis and have friends working there can begin to imagine how bad these people feel and the incredible love they have for their airline. The devotion that much of AN's employees have for their airline is something that most employers could only dream of.

Even the Administrator has mentioned this.

From one AN fan to another - big hug mate.

Gone. I am going to have a few beers tonight.

**sigh**

mb


User currently offline364512158 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Our family have four people that worked at ansett, 1 pilot, 2 flight attendants and i engineer.

I feel for all the emplyees that are hurting right now


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

Rob,

I'm sorry to hear that mate. 4 from one family... Jeeze.

mb


User currently offline364512158 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

Thanks Mx5 boy

User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2391 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

From me too, unreservedly.
John Howard has promised he will pursue Air New Zealand to pay your entitlements and I wish you the best in a future Ansett, Qantas or Virgin Blue if you choose to go that way.
Cheers.


User currently offlineAir Taiwan From Australia, joined Dec 1999, 1518 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

*sighs*

*my heart broken into pieces*

Jimmy


User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

To me, Helen Clarke is just a cowardly bitch who is afraid of letting her national airline be bought out.

I really wish that SIA bought the other half of Ansett. Ansett would be bigger and stronger, and not be broke.

First, the WTC tragedy, and now this.


9V-SVA



9V-SVA | B772ER
User currently offlineF27 From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

Why because Ansett was corprately raped by ANZ. Fuel booked to ansett 7 engines for 737 being done on an Ansett account all catering on ansett account and probably many other things all placed including the clearing of a store in LAX with all purchased parts from ansett is the FAT BOY going to swing ABSOLUTELY. Air New Zealand scurge of the pathetic the rapists and pilverers

User currently offlineMattNZ From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

Ansett was in finanical trouble when Air NZ bought it so the problem originated in Australia, Air NZ just couldn't sustain or repair the state Ansett was in, hence the latest decision.

Don't worry like Ansett, Air NZ isn't in a great position either. They have aging aircraft and their inflight service is slipping along with the aging interiors ie. PTV's. It could take another 5 years for Air NZ to recover from this and the future isn't looking to bright in that respect.

How can Air NZ compete with new A380's from Qantas, I wonder, compared to Air NZ's 733/762/763.


User currently offlineBruneiAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

I am not (very) angry with ANZ not being able to keep ansett going. It is the way they have treated their loyal staff and passenger. Not even a days warning.

That is just cruel.


Plus the 'reports of ansett stripping' if true are disgusting.

People dont go after NZ people just the Air NZ Execs and NZ govt. PLEASE.

Ps. Good on ya Ansett Ground staff that blocked in that 'Weakest Link' Bitch (Helen Clark) That is who she looks like (cornellia frances > Australian Weakest Link).





User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

Unfortunately, people DO 'go after NZ people'.

Some of our passengers were spat on at MEL airport today. It's the most disgusting behaviour I've ever heard of.



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25 Air Taiwan : Yes I do agree strongly that it has nothing to do with the general public of New Zealand. Jimmy
26 'Longreach' : I was just reading todays West Australian which had two full pages of a Qantas add to Ansett customers and their staff. The staff add gave them a numb
27 Singapore_Air : Of course Qantas and Virgin Blue are helping as they are getting full-fare Economy (or in VB's case, full-fare no frills economy) tickets. They are ma
28 QFTJT : MattNZ A Air New Zealand 747 took over 100 million dollars worth of Ansett engines days before that company closed, and the fact some air Sheep staff
29 Post contains images Singapore_Air : Oh dear
30 747Freeko : Ansett was such a good airline. Wish that it hadn't. wonder way ANZ fans haven't responded.
31 F27 : Why because the truth hurts and they only see what they want to see. The Fat boy of ANZ has to come back here at some stage and is typical of course
32 Skystar : Is there any hope left? Any hope of the APA and other staff getting a "Ansett Junior"? Cheers, Justin
33 Airnewzealand : We cannot be bothered, cause we know we will get flamed by anything we say... Cheers mikey
34 Mx5_boy : Airnewzealand, If you admitted what your airline has done to AN and said you were extremely sorry, perhaps no one would flame you. I am not going to f
35 TG992 : airnewzealand, You're right - there's absolutely no point in continuing while emotion still rules. I will stop posting and go back to doing my best fo
36 BruneiAir : Singapore_air QF and DJ are not getting full fare for this.
37 Milesrich : As someone who has never been "down under," I am not very familiar with the Ansett - Air New Zealand situation, but isn't the failure of Ansett a resu
38 Milesrich : As someone who has never been "down under," I am not very familiar with the Ansett - Air New Zealand situation, but isn't the failure of Ansett a resu
39 WunalaDreaming : Well Singapore - I hope that you are happy!! You wanted to 'crack' Australia - you went too far and BROKE it! Well done and Congratulations.
40 Yyz717 : Govt handouts/buyouts are passe. The real world requires business to stand on its own feet. AN is a failed company. Local AN line & staff mgmt & union
41 Eddy Cheuk : I am sorry to hear this bad news, I miss Ansett Australia, their services were not bad, so I never think she really come to the end. Ansett Australia
42 Ryanair : Yyz717: I've responded to the factual inaccuracies of your posts elsewhere, please have an idea what you're talking about before you post. I broadly a
43 Singapore_Air : I think a lot of SIA fans around the world are fed up of you lot trying to attack it's management practisces and so called "incompetence". SIA was not
44 Airnewzealand : To the people who say i have not once said AirNZ was wrong...Check other posts, cause i have said it was part of there fault!! You guys are just looki
45 Yyz717 : Right on AirNewZealand! There are many to blame. Not just Helen Clark, ANZ, SIA. AN local mgmt, AN unions, AN employees in particular. Don't blame QAN
46 Airnewzealand : Yes i see where your coming from Yyz717. Cheers mikey
47 Post contains images OH-LGA : QANTAS is moving in to help passengers stranded by Ansett's closure... it's quite a shame Ansett closed, I really was a fan of the airline. Anyways, o
48 Yyz717 : Why can't the AN unions (flush with cash from years of union dues) hire a mgmt consulting firm to put together an employee buyout proposal? Signifinca
49 The Coachman : Yyz717, If you actually kept up with the news, AN employees are consulting with Keilin, who manged the UAL buyout a few years back. Of course you want
50 Post contains images QantasAirways : I'm sorry, but I dont think Qantas should receive any blame at all. Qantas refused to put their "grubby" (as other people say) hands on Ansett because
51 Yyz717 : Coachman, I'm not blaming the union exclusively. Merely stating that the AN unions needs to take their share of the blame. There is a lot of vitriol h
52 'Longreach' : AIR NEW ZEALAND: "To the people who say i have not once said AirNZ was wrong...Check other posts, cause i have said it was part of there fault!! You
53 Mx5_boy : YYZ717, I guess I responded to your ignorant comments on another thread. You do not know the Australian aviation market. You do not know the rules and
54 Yyz717 : Longreach, you are absolutely right! There are many factors causing AN's demise.....the owners, mgmt, customers and employees. MX5-boy is still insist
55 QFTJT : Yyz717 You keep stating that the Ansett worker and unions are to blame, can you tell us how the are to blame for this. Because i can tell you know tha
56 Yyz717 : The AN unions are partly to blame. When any company fails, there is always fault on all sides: mgmt, employees/unions, and sometimes the owners. I'm n
57 Air Taiwan : So are you saying that the AN unions deliberately wanted its own airline to shut down? Yyz717? Jimmy
58 QFTJT : Yyz717 "For instance, AN was competing against the new upstart Virgin Blue. VB pilots, FA's & ground crew had lower salaries than AN employees. The AN
59 Yyz717 : I dont mind debating, but dont get into name calling. It's childish. Yes, the US industry is the world's most efficient. The world's lowest cost/ASM's
60 QFTJT : Yyz717 Are you serious, you would have to be joking? You really believe that an old 727 is cheaper to run than a newer 737. What a joke I really doubt
61 Yyz717 : Well, QFTJT....looks like AN employees are left with nothing anyway! They lost their jobs! Their so-called entitlements aren't of much use now. A reas
62 The Coachman : Yyz717, Back up your 20% salary cut with statistics, then I'll believe you. Do the sums. Or anyone with their hands on the latest AirNZ financial repo
63 QFTJT : Yyz717 I do believe this debate is over, we have both stated our cases, but you need to read the facts before you post absurd things. I really doubt y
64 The Coachman : In addendum, Trying to make the bottom line better will probably cause a fall in maintenance standards. And, if as you say, the US has the most effici
65 Yyz717 : AN's high costs were caused in part by the high ownership costs of their relatively new A320 and 737-300 fleets. AN sold their 732's and 722's way too
66 Yyz717 : Actually Coachman....you make a good point about maintenance. Some over-zealous US airline mgmt have scrimped on maintenance to reduce cost. This is e
67 QFTJT : Oh dear, If you ran a Airline you would still be flying 707's with your attitude, these aircraft aren’t buses they are huge machines, TWA800 a p
68 Yyz717 : Hey, cut the insults. Not necessary. I never said the 727 was cheaper to operate than the 737. Simply that you need to maximize the ROC. The 732 and 7
69 The Coachman : The reason for CASA grounding the AN 767's is that because of the nature of their route structure, the 762's flew mostly 1 hour shuttles everyday with
70 Singapore_Air : Just marking where I am.
71 QFTJT : Yyz717 All those airlines that you have listed which still operate 727s are phasing them out because of huge losses and inefficiency. Ansett had their
72 Yyz717 : Coachman, thanks for the explanation. I had presumed that AN used the 762's primarily on transcons. I would imagine that the AN 762's have possibly th
73 Yyz717 : It's been a slice guys! I like playing the devil's advocate sometimes. Although I only got to experience AN when in Australia, I am also truly sad to
74 Mx5_boy : YYZ717, All you have done you absolute goat has riled up a few people with you uninformed and ignorant comments. You never answered why the US domesti
75 The Coachman : The problem with the noise regulations was that he government had no choice in 1995 because the residents living under the flight path of the newly op
76 Go Canada! : Qantas had no obligation to ansett, it was their rival, they helped air new zeland and ansett at easter and what did they get from some airliners memb
77 Yyz717 : There are many perspectives and opinions on the causes of AN's failure. The overwhelming majority of A/net readers are not Australian and can see AN's
78 The Coachman : There definitely is room for 2 full-service carriers. Why do think fares are that high? It's because there isn't enough supply to satisfy the demand.
79 Mx5_boy : YYY717, Again you continue to insult Australians with your pathetic coments. You don't live here, you don't know the aviation industry and you are a n
80 Yyz717 : I disagree. Not enough supply to satisfy the demand? If this were true, AN would be profitable and growing. Fares are high because because the deregul
81 Post contains images PerthGloryfan : Good grief, hold onto your hats, I'm about to agree with yyz717! Perhaps the ultimate cause of AN's demise is the deregulation of the domestic industr
82 Pblaketas : It is impossible for any Australian who has flown the great airline that was Ansett Australia not to think about this emotionally.
83 Yyz717 : PerthGloryFan, any scenario is superior to government support/funding of airlines. The regulation of your industry and the 2-airline policy has robbed
84 Singapore_Air : .
85 Oz777 : Just a small comment from one who has worked 80 hours a weeks over the last month looking at ways to rescue AN. YYZ717, sorry but you are off target.
86 Yyz717 : Oz777, you need to get your facts straight as well. US airlines are safe...as safe as any western nation. Service levels are also fine. The most notic
87 Singapore_Air : NZ shares weak ahead of US re-open, Air NZ dumped WELLINGTON, Sept 17 (Reuters) - New Zealand shares slumped almost five percent on Monday on concern
88 Mx5_boy : Oz777, I agree with you there mate. One of the bothersome things about this whole debacle is how the government sat back while AN burned. There were p
89 Yyz717 : The OZ govt was correct to sit back and not get involved. AN was a competitor, not a utility. OZ taxpayers and non-flyers should not be supporting pri
90 Mx5_boy : YYY717, Have you taken a Capitalism pill or something? I suppose you would be horrified to discover that our State Goverment has been buying bankrupt
91 Dalecary : Oz777, still don't know why you persevere with the line that QF is controlled by BA. A 25% stake is not control in my book and I believe your earlier
92 Oz777 : Dale; One of the things to emerge during the "attempted rescue" phase was the inadequacy of the AN financial records. This was very much a legacy of t
93 Dalecary : Oz777, thanks for the detailed post. I, for one had no idea the AN finances were that hard to track. I still disagree with you about the QF board and
94 Oz777 : Dale: Thanks for the note - re the QF control thing, I have one further small comment. Geoff Dixon (on the Sunday programme) alluded to the strength o
95 Dalecary : Oz777, I too heard QF were very impressed with the A320 when they took a peek last week. Initially, the narrowbody replacement wasn't going to be deci
96 Go Canada! : Oz777 do you invisgae Qantas picking off the best planes, the best staff and the best routes and leavign the rest to virgin blue to pick up? with rega
97 Oz777 : Sorry - can't agree that Rod Eddington was good for AN - he was after all a "News" man. As to the financials, yes they were an absolute fiasco. CAn yo
98 The Coachman : Oz777, I'm interested as to why Rod Eddington was no good to AN. He turned the airline into a profit-making enterprise. He might have been a News man,
99 LMML 14/32 : What happened to Ansett Aircraft Leasing company?
100 Singapore_Air : .
101 Wirraway : This mornings (Tues) "Australian" Now Air NZ's on the brink By CHRISTOPHER NIESCHE and STEVE CREEDY 18sep01 AIR New Zealand's future was in doubt last
102 Wirraway : This mornings (Tues) "Australian" Now Air NZ's on the brink By CHRISTOPHER NIESCHE and STEVE CREEDY 18sep01 AIR New Zealand's future was in doubt last
103 Wirraway : Apologise for the double post. Wirraway
104 Go Canada! : Oz777, I do not agree with regard to british airways, they may experience trouble with the american situation, as will every major. Virgin atl have mo
105 Singapore_Air : Open skies? What are you talking about ffs.
106 Singapore_Air : After Ansett debacle, what next, SIA? I REFER to the reports on Ansett's financial troubles (ST, Sept 15), and consider that Singapore Airlines (SIA)
107 QFTJT : Yyz717
108 Oz777 : QFTJT: How utterly stupid your comments are. The books burnt!!!. They may have kept an account book 50 years ago, but the "accounts" are all computeri
109 Mx5_boy : Oz777, Try not to be too hard on QFTJT, it's the media that is giving people bad impressions. Not all of us work in industries where we know better. I
110 Go Canada! : singapore air, it is well known throughout the industry that an open skies agreement will occur between the usa/uk within the next 12 months, this is
111 United Airline : By the way, PWC has said in the past that there are three companies that are interested to buy up the whole of Ansett Australia. Does anyone know who
112 Oz777 : Have a look at the thread "Australian Unions stop Ansett sale" There is an analysis of the supposed "players". I am disturbed now by rumours of the Vi
113 Singapore_Air : "anyway this thread is abotu ansett, not an excuse to have digs at me." How hypocritical of you Go Canada, and don't forget ANZ!
114 Go Canada! : Three airlines? ansett anz virgin atl oh deary me, i would be a wreck as well. Branson cannot get anymore credit from any sources and will soon defaul
115 Post contains images Singapore_Air : Considering that is unlikely to happen...no!
116 Mx5_boy : Oz777, Mate, just read the latest news reports this morning and it seems the unions have come up with some idea to get Ansett back in the air. You wer
117 Aussie_ : all I can say about ANA is that due to the size of the Japanese domestic market, it is Asia's largest carrier and that furthermore, with the opening o
118 United Airline : I hope someone will buy up the ENTIRE company, or at least 85% of it.
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