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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4813 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 34383 times:

Today's news about SMC winning the NAIA Expressway contract connecting the airport with the Skyway at SLEX and linking all the terminals to have fast access to ongoing foreshore developments seems like a good start for a new thread on the local aviation scene.....

http://business.inquirer.net/116873/...-expressway-project-with-p11-b-bid

Quote:
"Conglomerate San Miguel Corp. (SMC) has bested rival Metro Pacific Investments Corp. over a new 7.15-kilometer expressway project that will connect Metro Manila’s main airport terminals to the Entertainment City casino complex with an 'aggressive' bid.

The financial proposals for the P15.52-billion Naia Expressway Phase II project, the third public private partnership (PPP) project to be successfully bid out, were opened yesterday at the headquarters of the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH).

SMC unit Optimal Infrastructure Development Inc. offered an upfront cash of P11 billion, far superior to the P305 million offered by Metro Pacific’s Manila North Tollways Corp., to build the expressway and operate it for 30 years."



The project's scope was summarized as follows in an earlier report.....

http://business.inquirer.net/116829/...ssway-contractor-known-monday-dpwh

Quote:
"The proposed 7.15-kilometer elevated expressway will connect Naia Terminals 1, 2 and 3.

The DPWH said the project 'will supplement the recently completed Phase 1 which interfaces with the Manila South Skyway at Sales Interchange.

The project involves the design, construction, operation and maintenance of an elevated structure from the terminus of Phase 1 at Sales Interchange going to Andrews Avenue, Domestic Airport Road, MIA Road and ending at Diosdado Macapagal Boulevard,' it said.

The project includes the 'construction of a 2.2-kilometer road going to Entertainment City' on the reclaimed land facing Manila Bay.

The government will finance the project’s right-of-way acquisition costs amounting to P2.25 billion."



The following link to an opinion column is provided for balance and a wider perspective.....

http://www.philstar.com/business/201.../keep-naia-forget-fast-train-clark

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...terminal-3-gets-funding-boost.html

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http://rvp-architects.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/COM040-naia3.jpg

The rendering above shows possible new international terminal site across T3 and adjacent to T2 (at Nayong Pilipino) for future capacity, after GA facilities are cleared. The woods in the top right corner are actually built-up residential/commercial areas which might form part of future airfield expansion. However, a cursory review of the existing airport layout suggests a potential parallel runway will fall below minimum requirements, even when coupled with dependent precision instrument approaches.

All these, of course, are purely theoretical and based on the scenario in the link above that NAIA shall be the premier gateway which, while still workable with a single runway, must meet the long term demand for dramatically increased aircraft movements. Further, it holds the view that the $10B estimated for the fast-train link to Clark would be better allocated to the expropriation of properties around NAIA (a virtual Pandora's box of unending suits and litigation) and towards the construction of a new terminal.

Which in turn would allow T2 to revert to its intended domestic role, and pave the way for the conversion of T1 into an LCC terminal.

The beginning of the elevated tollway is halfway down the image on the left. Okay for passengers arriving at T1, T2 and T3 and going to the Resorts World area...but a rather circuitous route for T3 arrivals to first drive south to NAIA Ave, go west, then north again on DM Blvd when trying to get to, say, Entertainment City (map).

http://www.google.com/mapmaker?ll=14...tbutton_normal&gw=30&lyt=large_map

With this contract, the authorities seem to have conceded that mass transit is best suited for residents and workers around the airport area...and might at most, put up one light rail station just outside the CAA compound across their depot, to restrict access to operations areas by airport personnel only - thus enhancing security.

Too bad no updated NAIA Master Development Plan is publicly available for comparison.

Comments and other Philippine aviation developments welcome.


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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 34331 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Thread starter):

How long will this take? I hope it's shorter than this project...

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/390403/...years-and-six-presidents-to-finish



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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4813 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 34120 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 1):

How long will this take?

A minimum of three years, per the second link.....

Quote:
"Project construction, scheduled to start this year, will take at least 36 months, according to the DPWH."



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 34059 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 2):
will take at least 36 months, according to the DPWH."

I'm glad it's months instead of years.

Speaking of airports, it seems like construction has stopped on SLIA (Bicol International).
Maybe it'll take 36 years to complete when Ferdinand III is the president...you know trapos rule the Philippines.  



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User currently offlineairlineaddict From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 33822 times:
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Thanks Devilfish for starting the thread and providing the articles.

Here's the order of priorities from my perspective if NAIA is to remain the premier gateway:
1. Get T3 fully functional ASAP
2. Ensure all of the navigational equipment is state of the art to maximize runway usage
3. Make way for a new terminal in Nayong Pilipino

1 and 2 seem relatively easy, but I'm always astounded with the inertia/road bumps.


User currently offlinecrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1903 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 33735 times:

Whatever they do, it cannot happen soon enough. I just spent several days this past week dealing w/ this airport and when you think it could not get worse, it truly does. It took 2 1/2 hours to clear Immigration at T1 when I arrived with lines backed into the terminal exits. Never seen anything like this in my life. Taxi lines with zero organization. The best thing though, is the nightmare 2 lane road leading into T1 that is a complete bottleneck. From the last traffic light to the terminal, it took more than a 1/2 hour to travel less than a mile. Upon arrival, there are 500-1000 people that are standing outside T1, blocking passengers from entering the terminal. I observed all of these same problems, over several days. What are all these people standing outside doing? There is zero crowd control and total disorganization. Then once inside, be prepared to stand in crazy check-in lines, unless you are flying C/F class. The Philippine government after all these years, really needs to get their head out of their arse and fix this airport once and for all. They should also do something with the wasted land where a massive airport hotel has sat derelict for so many years. I don't even know when it closed. No excuses and enough is enough already!

User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 33524 times:

Quoting crownvic (Reply 5):
What are all these people standing outside doing?

If this is departures, these are wellwishers waiting for their families' flights to leave, as they don't leave until the plane takes off. It also helps in situations like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWaUi1DpJQA (in Filipino)

Quoting crownvic (Reply 5):
Then once inside, be prepared to stand in crazy check-in lines, unless you are flying C/F class.

Weird. I just flew out yesterday and the crowds seem fine, but I will admit this was 6:00 pm.

Quoting crownvic (Reply 5):
They should also do something with the wasted land where a massive airport hotel has sat derelict for so many years. I don't even know when it closed.

The Panlilios (owners of Grand Air) owned the Philippine Village Hotel, which closed during the Asian financial crisis due to bankruptcy, and was later sequestered by the government. A very long legal battle ensued over the property, which was only recently (2009, I believe) decided in favor of the government, allowing it to take over the property from the Panlilios. But even until now, the property's still mired in controversy.

http://sc.judiciary.gov.ph/publications/benchmark/2009/02/020911.php

http://www.mb.com.ph/article.php?aid=7847&sid=1&subid=3#.UXDX0MrzqdE

Should this come to pass, the Nayong Pilipino area will definitely be turned into an extension of Terminal 2.


User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 33503 times:

Anyway, some good news about the EU blacklist! 

http://www.interaksyon.com/business/...-a-very-positive-curve----eu-envoy


User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4813 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 33163 times:

Yes, there seems to be plenty of activity going on if these blogs are any indication.....


http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...-bags-3000-seats-to-australia.html

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...cebu-pacific-to-fly-melbourne.html

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...grades-8-domestic-airport-for.html

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...ring-airlines-comes-to-manila.html

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...4/china-eastern-to-fly-manila.html


Good that 5J was allotted 3,000 weekly seats to Australia...that could easily be covered by their high-density, single-class HGW A330s due for delivery...this will surely intensify competition down-under. However, most intriguing is the mention of beyond rights from Oz to NZ.

Also interesting are Spring and China Eastern's coming over...both will certainly boost commerce and tourism...but China Eastern's current inability to get a slot highlights the acute saturation problem besetting NAIA. This is bound to get worse once new aircraft ordered by PR and 5J start arriving.

The CAAP and MIAA better start working on the airport's precision navs modernization to maximize aircraft movements while minimizing turnaround times - with its single runway. Also, there is not much time to wait for an international pax terminal capacity boost, aircraft parking apron expansion and new airline ops and hangar construction.

The above could only be expedited if the Government would prioritize and fund these projects.



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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 33026 times:

Manila really needs a new airport, not a new or expanded terminal. The current airport with only one runway for large aircraft is not working with the increased traffic. The cross runway can accomodate some traffic but still very limited.

Instead of spending money on this project, revive the idea of a new airport in Bulacan that was proposed recently by San Miguel Co.

The777Man



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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4813 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 32769 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 9):

Instead of spending money on this project, revive the idea of a new airport in Bulacan that was proposed recently by San Miguel Co.

The proponent has backpedaled on that...which, in any case, doesn't seem to have much favor among the three options tabled.....

http://www.philstar.com/business/201...mulls-3-options-phl-airport-system

Quote:
"Abaya said the first option involves a single airport system wherein the government would shut down and sell the NAIA and develop the Clark International Airport in Pampanga.

The second option, he said, involves a twin or dual system wherein the government would develop Clark and at the same time maximize the operations of NAIA until 2025 but at the same time look for an alternative site for a new airport that would be 25 kilometers or 30 minutes away from the existing gateway.

The DOTC chief said the third option also involves a twin or dual system wherein the government would jointly develop Clark and NAIA and then decide whether or not to put up an alternative airport.

'Previously, the direction was to move all NAIA’s current operations to Clark International Airport within the next five to seven years. What is clear now is that we need Clark to absorb some of the traffic in NAIA. Even if initially, it seems more cost efficient to have a single main gateway, there are dual airport systems existing around the world that actually perform well commercially,' he said in his speech.

He said the agency is looking at ways to further increase the capacity of the old NAIA airport to 60 events or landings and take offs per hour from the average 40 events per hour.

He added that there is no available land to further extend the runway of NAIA or put up a new terminal as it is surrounded by subdivisions and commercial areas.

Abaya pointed out that Cabinet secretaries are leaning towards the second option jointly developing NAIA and Clark and at the same time looking for a site for a new international gateway that may involve the reclamation of Laguna de Bay or Manila Bay as well as the Sangley airport in Cavite."




Meanwhile, PAL just announced the restart of its services to KSA and the end of its codeshares to the GCC states...

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...ines-in-major-route-expansion.html

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=mnl-dmm/jed/ruh/auh/doh/dxb&MS=wls&MR=540&MX=720x360&PM=*
http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=mnl-dmm/j.../dxb&MS=wls&MR=540&MX=720x360&PM=*

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...-approval-for-mideast-flights.html

Quote:
"Philippine Airlines officially launched Friday new destinations to the Middle East as it re-opens route network to Dammam, Jeddah, and Riyadh all in Saudi Arabia on December 1 using a fleet of new generation A330-300.

PAL will soon be ending its code-share flights to the Gulf on the next winter schedule by introducing flights to Doha, Qatar and Dubai, UAE on November 1."


[Edited 2013-04-26 09:38:01]


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User currently offlinecrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1903 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 32663 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 6):
Quoting crownvic (Reply 5):
What are all these people standing outside doing?

If this is departures, these are wellwishers waiting for their families' flights to leave, as they don't leave until the plane takes off. It also helps in situations like this:

Akiestar...Most appear to have luggage and documents and are not wellwishers. The drop off area as you know, is totally inadequate. It was designed for a Pan Am 707, a CX CV-880, a BOAC VC-10 and a Philippine DC-8 departing at different times of the day and not a Qatar 77W, EK 77W, Etihad 77W, Kuwait A340, SV 744 and misc Jumbos all either arriving or departing at the same time. That is part of the problem at this airport. If they want to ease some of the congestion, start telling these airlines that they can no longer all arrive and depart w/ one another! In the Middle East, no of these destination airports are under any traffic restrictions, aside from DXB.


User currently offlinecrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1903 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 32657 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 6):
Quoting crownvic (Reply 5):
Then once inside, be prepared to stand in crazy check-in lines, unless you are flying C/F class.

Weird. I just flew out yesterday and the crowds seem fine, but I will admit this was 6:00 pm.

Well, you were lucky. Seems every time I am at Terminal One, it is a zoo.

Quoting crownvic (Reply 5):
They should also do something with the wasted land where a massive airport hotel has sat derelict for so many years. I don't even know when it closed.

The Panlilios (owners of Grand Air) owned the Philippine Village Hotel, which closed during the Asian financial crisis due to bankruptcy, and was later sequestered by the government. A very long legal battle ensued over the property, which was only recently (2009, I believe) decided in favor of the government, allowing it to take over the property from the Panlilios. But even until now, the property's still mired in controversy.

http://sc.judiciary.gov.ph/publications/benchmark/2009/02/020911.php

http://www.mb.com.ph/article.php?aid=7847&sid=1&subid=3#.UXDX0MrzqdE

Should this come to pass, the Nayong Pilipino area will definitely be turned into an extension of Terminal 2.

Very interesting reading. Unfortunately, the second link would not open for me. I realize you are trying to defend your "home turf" and the U.S. has our own crappy airports, but when you have no choice but to use this airport, it is not a pleasant experience. Pinoy or not, you have to admit that massive derelict hotel sitting on prime airport property, is a bit ridiculous. If the rightful parties maintained possession in 2009, it has now been four years and nothing has happened. Maybe part of my frustration is the great photo ops, one could have from those east facing balconies  

Manila is a booming city. There are construction cranes everywhere building many high rise apartments, condos, offices etc. along with fancy water front casinos. OK, i realize this maybe private money, but at that same time, there is practically zero activity in the way of improving this airport. When was the last time the windows were cleaned in Terminal One? Heck, hire some minimum wage folks (there are plenty looking for a job) and have then clean windows! I see the same stains on windows there year after year. How much could that cost?

Personally, I don't think the government has a clue what to do w/ this airport. The last time they hired somebody, was FraPort. I don't think we need to talk about that fiasco! I get the feeling they have thrown their hands up and have no rudder on this ocean liner. The airport is land locked by buildings and shanty towns and cannot be expanded. It has bisecting runways that have poor flow control and the main runway gets bogged down with ATR's, Dash 8's and Q400's that further impede on large a/c. NAIA is not going to give up the revenues to Clark. An entirely new airport needs to be built, like every other Asian city has done, but I just do not see it happening. In other words, it is only going to get worse, so I guess I better get use to it.


User currently offlineCityAirline From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 700 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 32545 times:

Any one who knows why Abu Dhabi still isn't bookable on PAL's website,even though I'm able to book it via different web travel agencies?

Quoting crownvic (Reply 11):
If they want to ease some of the congestion, start telling these airlines that they can no longer all arrive and depart w/ one another!

Good point, but there's a reaosn why. EK/EY/QR all want their MNL-flights to fit into their two-three departure/arrival banks at their respective hubs.

/Alex



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User currently offlineMHG From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 778 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 32426 times:

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 13):
Any one who knows why Abu Dhabi still isn't bookable on PAL's website,even though I'm able to book it via different web travel agencies?

I guess it´s because PR´s own flights are not yet listed in the CRS.
Those flights with PR flight numbers are still the codeshares on EY metal ...



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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4813 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 32396 times:

Keep 'em coming...    ...

http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9328.jpg
http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9328.jpg



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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 32201 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 10):
The proponent has backpedaled on that...which, in any case, doesn't seem to have much favor among the three options tabled.....

Thanks for the update.

Clark seems really far away.....

At least they are looking at alternatives.

Thanks again!

The777Man



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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4813 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 31971 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 16):
Thanks for the update.

You're welcome. Here's another (non) update.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/2013/05/new-york.html

Quote:
New York?

"Philippine Airlines President and Chief Operating Officer Ramon Ang said the airline has filed with US DOT regulatory approvals to fly New York and Chicago to Manila using Boeing 777-300ER beginning on the next winter schedule. Ang said the next American destination after Toronto is New York. PAL will receive two new triple seven this year."


It wasn't stated how the flights would be routed. PR seems quite upbeat..    ..even in the face of this.....

http://business.inquirer.net/119741/route-of-the-problem

Quote:
"PAL nevertheless must contend with other problems such as the refusal of the governments of South Korea and Japan to grant PAL additional flights, which PAL felt to be rather underserved, as airline ticket prices have been flying through the roof because of big demand with short supply.

Reason for their refusal has always been our CAT-II problem, courtesy of the US Federal Aviation Authority, or the FAA, which a few years ago downgraded its rating of the Philippines for airport safety to Category II. As a result, PAL could not add new routes to the United States or even replace its existing aircraft serving the US routes with new ones.

From what I heard, our salvation from the damning CAT-II has been a moving target for the Aquino (Part II) administration, as the FAA insisted on some measures that would perhaps take more than a lifetime for us to meet. For instance, the FAA insisted that the government should not rely on PAL experts for pilot training, meaning, the government should train its own instructors, which would only take years and years of flying experience, and where would you get that except from PAL?

Hmmm, maybe there is something more in the CAT-II problem than just the airport 'safety.' After all, US airlines are also having a grand time flying here, serving those 10 plus million OFWs."


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http://www.commlawblog.com/uploads/image/FAA%20thinking-1.jpg


Are they saying PAL trained pilots are less-qualified...or there's a conflict of interests so they're "suggesting" a different trainer...who might that be? Wonder what else lies strewn on the path to Cat I ...perhaps RSA has reasons to be optimistic?   

[Edited 2013-05-02 11:15:00]


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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 31936 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 17):
Are they saying PAL trained pilots are less-qualified...or there's a conflict of interests so they're "suggesting" a different trainer...who might that be?

Its a bit of a conflict when the one who plays the role of the regulator is also employed by a local airline they have oversight over.

For instance in the US, Europe and other nations, such flight standards employees are full time employees of the government regulatory agency, and have no links to the airlines they supervise. Same goes with maintenance inspectors and other oversight positions.
While in practice some of these folks might be former airline employees themselves, they are bared from providing oversight of their former employer or colleagues.

At the end of the day, the independence and strength of regulator body is quite important to ensure safety and proper oversight.



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User currently offlineLurveBus From Philippines, joined Mar 2007, 286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 31792 times:

There's a rumor going around that the four A343 that PAL is gonna acquire are coming from Iberia.

I know that Iberia is replacing their A343s, however, can they afford to retire 4 within the next few months?


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 31657 times:

Cebu Pacific's first A330. The photo is from May the 1st and I can't find any other images of it on this site yet, so I assume this is news. Unfortunately I don't know who the photographer is so can't credit the image to them.  http://24.media.tumblr.com/d4ebb39475bc2ef3ff91de630b4e25cd/tumblr_mm4l82MsuD1s7b3gjo1_1280.jpg


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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4813 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 31618 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18):
Its a bit of a conflict when the one who plays the role of the regulator is also employed by a local airline they have oversight over.

Point taken, but the question remains..."Are the pilots PAL graduate any less proficient compared to their foreign counterparts?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 18):
While in practice some of these folks might be former airline employees themselves, they are bared from providing oversight of their former employer or colleagues.

So, former PAL hands don't necessarily have to stay out of the regulatory regime...they merely have to be inhibited from exercising oversight functions on their erstwhile employer and colleagues.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 20):
Cebu Pacific's first A330.

   Looking good! I'm guessing it will get deployed to the ME first...and hopefully, to Oz and Kiwiland too.  



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 31603 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 21):
Point taken, but the question remains..."Are the pilots PAL graduate any less proficient compared to their foreign counterparts?

Hard to say.

With a weak regulatory regime who knows if people are really proficient, and were not simply passed or promoted based on various other motivations. It probably hard to gauge peoples qualifications, when there might be doubt about the paper trail that follows them.

For example, I know have a Filipino pilot friend who works for EVA. He has told me stories of people virtually buying their pilot licences from inspectors, with student log book being filed up with fake flights, or doctors that could be paid off to sign medical certificates, etc. And that is only the pilot licensing end of stuff. There was a host of other stories about maintenance, gray market parts etc..


So whatever the stories, I think it imperative Philippine government once and for all establishes a strong and trustworthy oversight regime - for benefit of all parties, especially the safety of its own citizens.



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User currently offlinedforce1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 31585 times:

According to this post, SEAIR Philippines plans to launch a direct service from Manila to Phuket, Thailand by the end of the year....

http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...ippines-looks-at-expansion-in.html

Think link offers a handy timeline of the big route launches coming up for Philippine Airlines. The article also suggests that Turkey could be the first European destination once the ban is lifted....

http://www.philippineflightnetwork.c...ing-flight-path-of-philippine.html


User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 31576 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 21):
I'm guessing it will get deployed to the ME first...and hopefully, to Oz and Kiwiland too.

It's flying to ICN first, actually.   


25 Post contains links dforce1 : Here is another good article with plenty of information on route deployment and what the future holds for Cebu Pacific's first A330 and the remaining
26 Post contains links dforce1 : IATA has finally weighed in and reported that they would prefer a single airport system for Manila, Philippines rather than a dual airport system. "Th
27 The777Man : I guess the second option sounds best but don't as long as 2025. Have a plan in place by 2020 for a new airport closer to the city. Second option sort
28 Post contains links and images Devilfish : The best option is that which would serve the country's interests the most..... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vUtWpp9U6Y...-7Tnw/s1600/200806220319577088
29 Post contains links and images Devilfish : No corroboration yet, but the best news for Philippine aviation in quite a long while could be forthcoming..... http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c..
30 Post contains links dforce1 : Is there any significance or implication that the Gulf carriers seem to be shifting towards Clark? Could this be that they are starting to acknowledge
31 LurveBus : The gulf carriers are renting entitlements from PAL. If PAL decides to take the entitlements back and fly their own metal to the middle east, then th
32 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Sorry folks...afraid I got burned by that link in Reply 26... ... http://cdn.feeyo.com/pic/20080628/200806280325235010.jpg Apparently, the photo is -
33 crownvic : I agree...I have landed at Clark when just one other flight arrived and it was a one hour wait in Customs. If three a/c hit at the same time, it is c
34 behramjee : I guess QR will keep the popular QR 926/927 service at MNL which is a standardized schedule operated with a B77W departing MNL at 1725 daily and arriv
35 Post contains links and images Akiestar : Some breaking news: the A321 will be entering service with PR this August! Planes will be registered as RP-C99XX. Kudos to fransarj of SkyscraperCity
36 dforce1 : If Philippine Airlines ever wants a fair chance at making Manila a transit hub for international passengers, it will need to make significant improve
37 Confuscius : I wonder if Time Airways will purchase similar aircraft. It pretty much mirror's PAL's fleet except for the CRJ. Perhaps Ser Chief's company will do
38 Post contains links dforce1 : I just read that the Civil Aeronautics Board is reporting that it will ask Philippine Airlines and Cebu Pacific to reduce its flights to Boracay after
39 Post contains images PRFlyer : Just as long as Captain James Ventura is still the Chief Pilot for Time Airways. Any news on the recently concluded FAA audit? Is FAA recommending th
40 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Keep in mind that El Capitan also owns LTP . Your guess is as good as anyone else's . If they're willing to put up with the restrictions, and make mo
41 crownvic : I recently read with the Tiger Air purchase, the original SEAir was split into the Airbus operation they were interested in, and the turbo-prop opera
42 crownvic : somehow, my text got italicized in the previous thread
43 babaero : Who is Astro Air. Noted there crew in Clark terminal the other day waiting to take a CRK - TPE - KALIBO sector, however no passengers were getting on
44 Post contains links and images Devilfish : I was kinda hoping they would acquire a few of these to widen the variety they have had over the years..... View Large View MediumPhoto © André In
45 Post contains links dforce1 : Yes, I read that as well. They formed a new company called SEAir International which is rather ironic considering they will never fly internationally
46 Post contains links crownvic : I don't have time to find the link, but if you google "Caticlan Airport Expansion" there are full details. There will be a whole new terminal (there
47 Post contains links dforce1 : According to this article, Astro Air already has its air operator certificate but its still waiting approval to fly the routes. Anybody know what the
48 dforce1 : Does anybody know if PAL's new A330-300's and the leased A340 from Iberia will have personal televisions with video on demand like the B777?
49 MHG : Well, I suspect it´s related to the bilaterals between the Philippines and Taiwan as Astro Air needs to get a certain amount of entitlements ... I t
50 Akiestar : I'm not confident with the leased A340s, but I am pretty sure the new A330s will have AVOD. I wonder if the A321s though will be equipped though.
51 Post contains links dforce1 : Here's an interesting news item I discovered. SEAir is cancelling their flights to Davao in favour of increasing flights to Bacolod. I wouldn't have g
52 Post contains links and images Devilfish : What they were hoping for and what is practical in the short - medium term may be too far apart..... http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/search/la
53 dforce1 : Would the Bombardier C-Series be effective here? It seems ridiculous if they wait until 2025. They will have a much better chance of meeting their to
54 Post contains images crownvic : Well, when you have Airbus giving the store away all over Asia with A319/320 types, why would you even bother with an RJ? Missile launched
55 Post contains links CityAirline : Hey guys! I've been away for a while and it was a surprise to find all the interesting posts you've been doing during the month. Last night I found so
56 Post contains links dforce1 : If Philippine Airlines is looking to acquire more wide bodies, I wonder if they would consider purchasing these aircraft. Must be cheaper than getting
57 Post contains links and images Devilfish : The CS100 might...but there are no specifics yet regarding short field performance on their website (other than generalities) that would indicate its
58 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Just found what I've been searching for..... http://cseries.com/info/en/#/cseries...y/urbanoperations/cityconnections/ So, the CS100 could do 1,500nm
59 Post contains links and images Devilfish : The opening of Laguindingan Airport postponed for June 15, 2013 may face another delay..... http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-m6ajez6AOW...R_CJF9g850/s1600/la
60 777way : Why are PR quitting DEL?
61 Post contains links Devilfish : Poor sales was given as the reason..... http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/pal-quits-delhi.html Quote: "Philippine Airlines announced
62 Post contains links dforce1 : Looks like the government is setting aside P3 billion for construction of a P6 billion budget terminal for Clark Airport next year. Is this a sign th
63 EBGflyer : I would hate to see anything more budget than the existing facilities. The recent upgrade of CRK has been a joke. Having said that, it probably would
64 CityAirline : Seems like China Eastern is launching its first route to the Philippines in october, by launching a daily PVG-MNL service on A320. Midnight arrival an
65 Post contains links Akiestar : Actually, it's their second. The first route was PVG-CEB, which was launched a few years ago, and is currently operated on a seasonal basis. ---- Any
66 CityAirline : Akiestar, I was thinking about PVG-CEB too, but that route is charter right, not a regular service.[Edited 2013-05-28 07:50:59]
67 Akiestar : I was under the impression that it was a scheduled service, not a charter.
68 Post contains links CityAirline : Not really aviation related, but I thought some of you would be interested anyway. The Philippine economy has grown fast during last three years, but
69 dforce1 : I was reading the FlightGlobal news headlines and there were a couple that got my attention. Unfortunately, I don't have a subscription so cannot enjo
70 Akiestar : Not necessarily new: 2P is restarting USU-PPS (Busuanga-Puerto Princesa), which was discontinued just last year. I am curious though: 2P is taking ov
71 Post contains links debonair : I need some help... According to wikipedia Fil-Asian Airways http://www.filasianair.com started operations on March 27th 2013 between Zamboanga and Ce
72 Post contains links dforce1 : I am following both of these closely myself. From what I understand, Astro Air has been operating weekly charter flights between Kalibo and Taipei bu
73 airbuseric : One of the ex Manila Airlines MD83s is rotting away at CRK. It will not fly again in this state. I think Astro Air is not intending to put that one b
74 Post contains links and images Devilfish : It appears more like Option 3..... http://clarkaviationconference.com/w...-Conference-Solis-Feb-18-Final.pdf [quote=dforce1,reply=62]Has anyone seen
75 Post contains links and images Akiestar : I'm not sure how often we follow airport improvements here on A.net, but I figure we should see some of them, particularly since this is where our tax
76 crownvic : [quote=Devilfish,reply=74]No c/n number to determine provenance, but definitely a beautiful plane ..... Any chance this is the Aero Majestic YS-11 tha
77 CityAirline : The schedules for PAL's new Saudi routes have been released: Manila – Dammam 3 weekly PR682 MNL1630 – 2100DMM 333 135 PR683 DMM2230 – 1240+1MNL
78 airlinebuilder : if these supposedly A333s are going to be all economy, meaning it will be flown by PALexpress, contrary to the billboards on Philippine Airline proper
79 Post contains links flyhigh@tom : Any thoughts on this? Oman air and Jet airways (india) have been denied traffic rights to MNL. http://www.emirates247.com/news/emir...by-philippines-2
80 Post contains links Akiestar : They were not denied traffic rights per se: they were denied slots. 9W and WY are still free to fly to any point in the Philippines except to MNL, bu
81 Post contains images flyhigh@tom : All the more reason why CRK should be developed as the gateway...and high speed connectivity between CRK and MNL. I flew out from Phil a week back. S
82 Post contains links Akiestar : Fil-Asian Airways is the former Mid-Sea Express. I wonder what happened to their other planes? I was reading through SkyscraperCity and the cause may
83 Post contains links and images Akiestar : Anyway, since I think the memo missed people here. http://business.inquirer.net/125323/...ifting-restrictions-on-ph-airlines
84 CityAirline : If this is the case, I find it more reasonable. I always tohught sending PAL to Saudi and PALExpress to Dubai was very, very strange. I mean their ro
85 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Saw it earlier, however...given how previous announcements misfired, decided to give it a bye. But if true, this is one really big bombshell... ... h
86 Post contains images MHG : Just heard from a person involved in the EU/EASA audit that CAAP has passed the audit and the inspection team will recommend to lift the blacklisting.
87 crownvic : So, from how I gather this, SMC paid $1.5 Billion in total for PAL ($500M for the initial 49% and $1B for the remaining 51%)? Is this airline really w
88 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Undeveloped aerial view of Clark..... . http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/n...0/ferrarilover08/dmia_from_air.jpg Development proposals were supposed
89 Post contains links Akiestar : Actually, the plans seemed to have changed. Instead of a layout similar to KUL or HKG, CRK is now pursuing a plan similar to SIN. http://www.skyscrap
90 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Thank you very much for the link..... http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/...rter89/Album%205/F_zpse1851bdb.png The layout looks more efficient now a
91 Post contains links Akiestar : Not at all. The HSR link between Manila and CRK pops up quite often in the news. The latest word we have on it is that the JICA got someone to make a
92 Devilfish : Thanks again for that. From the link..... Quote: "The JV will also conduct a feasibility study, including the basic design parameters and a prelimina
93 Post contains images flyhigh@tom : Thanks for the links I can see that plans have been aloft since 2005 and now nearly 8 years hence .... nothing has translated to reality in the meanw
94 behramjee : With regards to the newly planned Saudi Arabia services by PAL using an all Y class configured A333, can someone please reveal how many Y class seats
95 Post contains links Akiestar : PAL hasn't released the seat plan yet. But if this will be an all-economy A333, 2P might be operating this, not PR. ==== Anyway, some news: PR is sta
96 Post contains images Lufthansa747 : Finally some sense denying 9W and WY slots as the situation just gets worse by the day. CRK airport is off the menu for me whatever development there
97 airbuseric : RP-C4201. I flew it 2 weeks ago myself. In basic Azerbaijan Airlines colours.
98 CityAirline : Interesting, this will be the first destination in Korea outside Seoul and Busan.
99 airlinebuilder : hey, everyone try booking online on PAL, their Middle East is already available on line and the seat plan are all economy A333s. Ethiopian will be fly
100 KL808 : Does ET have rights on the HKG-MNL-HKG route? I tried booking it but came up empty handed. If they do this would be a very good addition on the Star A
101 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Welcome to the Philippines! View Large View MediumPhoto © Michael Arcellana In fairness, it's only lately that the country has emerged from its huge
102 CityAirline : Hey, thanks for the update! I tried doing this just a few days ago, but the seat maps weren't available yet at the time. Note that PALs all economy A
103 CityAirline : Or even as much as 414 seats according to Airline route update. What I don't understand though, is why PAL plan to use an A340 to AUH. Shouldn't it b
104 Akiestar : As I have said previously, they do not.
105 Post contains links and images Akiestar : PR's new in-flight Wi-Fi service has a name: Philippine Airlines InAir. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...866.160470.117387315866&type=1
106 EBGflyer : I'm not even able to find MNL as a destination on ET's website. Doesn't make it easier to book a flight then!
107 airbuseric : ITI is the airline actually. They fly it on MNL-ELN for the resorts.
108 Post contains images Devilfish : Could it be the former Interisland Airlines then?..... Hmmn...makes one wonder which actual version of the ATR-42 they're flying . El Nido, Palawan (
109 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Found a few nice photos of ENI and ITI..... http://www.watchobs.com/pics/travel/ElNidoAirportPan.jpg View of the ramp... . . http://mw2.google.com/mw-
110 Post contains images airbuseric : Yeah, the photos are way outdated. ENI runway is concrete as well is the apron. The hammock in their 'lounge' is still there and I used it personally
111 Post contains images PRFlyer : That's way better than PR's Mabuhay Lounge at T2.
112 FlyingGoat : That is awesome. Man, I miss the Philippines. I'd love to see a west coast USA to CEB route eventually, but that will probably never happen.
113 Lufthansa747 : ITI is indeed Island Transvoyager Inc. I believe they own resorts also in ELN. Part of old SEAIR, now SEAIR I.
114 Akiestar : So the new Laguindingan Airport in Cagayan de Oro will be opening today! I presume it will inherit CGY from Lumbia, but no ICAO code has been issued y
115 Post contains links and images Devilfish : I hope they don't spoil the natural beauty of the place with too much construction. Great name for the singing group . Calling PR..... Thank you. The
116 PRFlyer : They probably heard us. PR is renovating both domestic and International lounges. https://www1.mabuhaymiles.com/index.php/program-news/news/mabuhay-l
117 Post contains images airbuseric : As you might have noticed, I'm usually mostly active in the tripreports section of the forums. Expect soon a full report on that Filipino ATR-42
118 PRFlyer : Devilfish, as someone pointed out in PPSG, this is a photo of RP-C7775. If you enlarge it, the banner says "Proudly Building the third 777". Is there
119 Post contains images Devilfish : Way to go... . I do not go there often...but I'll keep an eye out for your report. I know...the timing could be the hint...them showing the photo aga
120 airlinebuilder : instead of speculating, I suggest to looking forward to an update on the 4 A340s for PAL, the first one has already arrived if I am not mistaken, as f
121 crownvic : Last month, I was in MNL for a few weeks and kept seeing this ATR-42 flying in and out of MNL. I could not get a tail number, but it had a solid navy
122 airbuseric : Yes, RP-C4201. Basic Azerbaijan Airlines colours. It was mentioned a few posts above by me.
123 Post contains links jetblue777 : If you guys are wondering what 5J's A330 look like on the inside, they posted some pictures and videos on their facebook page. http://www.philippineai
124 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Those must be the 235T interim delivery version as the full HGW version won't be available till 2015. Or maybe, PR has decided to limit the seat coun
125 airbuseric : msn 689 ex Azerbaijan AIrlines 4K-AZ53
126 Akiestar : I was told there are 414 seats. According to SSC, all four A340s are now in MNL. These markets however are relatively premium compared to the rest of
127 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Thank you very much. It's this one then..... . Very nice bird...wish they would get the other... ... I take it they concreted the 1,000m long second
128 CityAirline : Yes, read my next post (#103):
129 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Finally, the plane I dream would make it to these shores is out... ... http://www.embraer.com/PublishingImages/press-releases/fly_new_175.jpg 80 seats
130 CityAirline : PAL has now released the Doha schedule and opened reservations: PR652 MNL1330 – 1800DOH 333 x1 PR653 DOH1930 – 0930MNL 333 x1 And now only DXB rem
131 Post contains links PRFlyer : ET cancels HKG-MNL and BKK-SGN. They were supposed to start service HKG-MNL on 01Jul. http://airlineroute.net/2013/06/19/e...%2Bmedia&utm_campaign
132 CityAirline : Not surprised! I never really understood these routes. Didn't count on them lasting too long either. /Alex
133 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Back to our dear, old Terminal 1...it seems she is finally on her way for a makeover... ... . http://www.philstar.com/headlines/20...undergo-facelift-
134 Post contains links and images flyhigh@tom : A quick question on 5J's planned A330 services to dubai..... One of my colleagues booked a flight for Dec. the ticket says dubai international airport
135 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Re #85, here's the latest on offer of El Capitan's remaining 51% stake in PR..... http://business.inquirer.net/128803/mvp-group-not-interested-in-pal
136 Post contains links cityairline : According to the following link (that someone posted in another thread), PAL's new A333s will as we know be delivered in two different configurations.
137 Akiestar : Not at all. As far as I know, these lower-density A333s will have C, Y+, Y and Y- (Econolight, but with a tangible product) installed. Depending on h
138 Post contains links Devilfish : Its president tries hard to emphasize that PR is not comparable to an LCC..... http://business.inquirer.net/130945/...ign-airlines-eyed-to-invest-in-
139 LJ : Didn't see this mentioned, but PR requested slots for a daily MNL-AMS-MNL with 777 in W13. Anyone know how likly this is to materialise (as slot can b
140 behramjee : DOH launch being pushed back for a bit...until S14 I bet and instead DXB-MNL is being launched with these same timings !
141 Post contains links cityairline : So I've heard. Although are you sure it's just being pushed back? Because I noticed Qatar is keeping their second daily MNL as a parallel to the new
142 Post contains links and images Devilfish : PR got six grandfathered frequencies of the eight daily services allowed for the Philippine side. 5J also wanted those and is seeking reallocation of
143 SYDAIRPORTS : with the PR flights MNL/DRW/BNE presume PR can't sell DRW/BNE in isolation, so how does it justify empty seats DRW/BNE ? Ok, so many passengers contin
144 aerorobnz : The fare ex DRW is probably horrendously high ( I did a search a while back) 1) discourage people from buying, and 2) to subsidise the empty seats DR
145 Post contains links jpen4314 : No, actually, whether you do a search on Kayak 2 weeks from now or 2 months from now, or 1 week before Christmas, it's consistently the lowest fare e
146 jpen4314 : Also, PR also has heavy discounts on HKG fares ex DRW and BNE in the off-peak (e.g. less than $700 on a Kayak search ex-BNE, but a 2 two-stop routing
147 Post contains links flyhigh@tom : Is this old news or a development thats been in the offing for a while now? I did not know 5j was ever planning on india ops? personally i don't think
148 Post contains links and images Akiestar : Well, it's still better than nothing: the EU will officially take PR off the blacklist on Friday! http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story...an-on-pal-fli
149 Post contains links and images Akiestar : In addition to the blacklist news, PR is currently trending on Twitter. According to Miguel Camus of the Philippine Daily Inquirer, PR might mount fli
150 Post contains links dforce1 : When Philippine Airlines last operated flights to London, were they flying into Gatwick or Heathrow? I read an article not to long ago that Gatwick w
151 Akiestar : LGW first, then LHR for about a year prior to the Asian financial crisis.
152 The777Man : Any news on the US audit that was supposed to have taken place in June and what the outcome was ? The777Man
153 Akiestar : No word yet. Local media though says that if things go well, we should be out of Cat II by November.
154 The777Man : I remember reading that; some sort of a probation starting then. But for now, not even a decision that the probabtion us coming ? Hopefully it will w
155 Akiestar : After reading today's Philippine Daily Inquirer, apparently U.S. inspectors are currently here for a visit that may take up to two weeks. According t
156 SYDAIRPORTS : So does that mean PR can sell BNE/DRW OZ domestic sector alone ? In CRS when looking up availability it comes up. Thought they may have some dispensa
157 CX Flyboy : I just saw one of the "new" PR A340s in Hong Kong now painted in full PR colours. RP-C3436 was previously in the basic Iberia colours and had visited
158 PRFlyer : RP-C3435 is now inside the paint shop while the other 2 ex-IB A343 are not delivered yet.
159 airlinebuilder : it has also been said that the current A340s of PAL are now being reconfigured one at a time, the ex iberia are filling in for the original PAL 340s.
160 hybridace101 : Really? When it means reconfigured, does it mean adding new features such as lie-flat C or IFE?
161 airlinebuilder : they are being reconfigured to the same features they have installed on the B744s and B777s.
162 sq256 : Common sense says the Australian government won't allow it, just like any other government in the world won't let foreign airlines pick up domestic p
163 CX Flyboy : Must have only just gone in. I think I only saw this a couple of days ago.
164 dforce1 : Since you noted, "as of press time" in your post, I am assuming that you read this in a media report somewhere. Would you mind sharing a link with th
165 airlinebuilder : check out philippineflightnetwork.com re PAL A340S
166 Post contains images Akiestar : You know you're basically telling him to check his own blog, right?
167 airlinebuilder : LOL! basically I cannot remember where I read it but the last recall was that blog site, but it was stated and published regarding the 4 + 2 A340s PA
168 dforce1 : As Akiestar pointed out, you are referencing my blog. But there is nothing on that blog that suggests what you are saying that PAL is refurbishing th
169 hybridace101 : @airlinebuilder, unless you can verify the source of the so-called A343 reconfigurations, I think you may have confused a few things. Besides, the A34
170 airlinebuilder : as for the refurbishing of the A340, that I know for a fact I have friends from LTP and they are doing it one 340 at a time that is why the airline i
171 hybridace101 : ^^ So are we going to get PTVs in A343s and lie-flat seats?
172 airlinebuilder : Yes, same as the ones you see on their B77W and refurbished B744s
173 Post contains links and images Devilfish : There might be a little reason to be hopeful if this is anything to go by..... http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com.au/2013/07/faa-is-coming.html Q
174 hybridace101 : Assuming that the news is true, as well as the proposed PR flights to the EU on 77Ws, it begs the question on whether PR will be able to have sufficie
175 airlinebuilder : ..........latest buzz at the PAL head office, it will soon be saying goodbye to TORONTO. Looks like this is a result of the B77Ws utilization to Europ
176 Akiestar : I'll believe it when I see it. Sad to see YYZ go though if it does go. I'm doubtful Ocho-Ocho (RP-C8168) was retired. If it was, PAL would have annou
177 Tomassjc : I was stuck on this bird last year MNL-SFO and it was in fairly sad shape. No IFE, side walls peeling in places, inop seats, a couple of lavs out of
178 hybridace101 : 1. I won't be surprised if PR will drop YYZ, I doubt it was working for PR to begin with. It suffered a fate similar to DEL and reinforces the image
179 Akiestar : There are more Filipinos in the GTA than in Vancouver.
180 SYDAIRPORTS : Did I read some where that new Cebu Pacific A333 seats 436 in 1 class ? Might have been in an airline magazine. If correct that must be some small sea
181 PRFlyer : Yes, that is correct.
182 Confuscius : Sarao or UV Express class?
183 Post contains images hybridace101 : I have read somewhere that RP-C3434 was already reconfigured and unfortunately no upgrades to IFE was carried out in Y.
184 The777Man : That's very funny; he said he doesn't want to pre-empt the announcement and then that's just what he does...... Still, I hope that they get to Cat I
185 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Then, the last three rows below have got to be the most expensive jeepney seats ever... ... http://www.airbus.com/aircraftfamili.../a330family/a330-3
186 Post contains images Confuscius : Putting safety regulations aside, how many passengers can fit in an A330 with a single aisle and bench seats, and with standing room (inside the cabi
187 Post contains images Devilfish : Now, now...we wouldn't want to be accused of "plagiarizing" MOL's idea, would we?
188 Post contains images jetBlue777 : I know wikipedia can be unreliable sometimes, so I'm not sure if it's confirmed or not but on the MNL page (as well as the AMS page) the following fli
189 LJ : Nothing confirmed. The only source are slots which PR has for these airports. Nothing final (at least as far as I know). BTW PR will resume AMS as it
190 MHG : Just read that PAL has reconsidered their withdrawal from YYZ ! They will get another two A340-300 (source unknown) to operate the YYZ route. So, just
191 behramjee : With AMS FCO and CDG announced, AF/KL should invite PAL to Sky Team and in turn save costs by code sharing on PAL operated flights to Europe thereby a
192 hybridace101 : When it comes to alliances, it can go either way... OW - in terms of the grapevine, this is the one most floated *A - if it is true that PR is in nego
193 Akiestar : According to the grapevine, starting August 1, all PR flights to LAO, BCD, ILO and TAG, and several to GES, will now be operated by 2P. Effectively, P
194 Post contains links and images Devilfish : This Philstar news report says 5J has signed an operating lease agreement with Intrepid Aviation for two additional A330-300s..... http://www.philstar
195 Post contains links and images jetBlue777 : View Large View MediumPhoto © Marcel Hohl PR's first A321 spotted, she looks very nice!
196 KL808 : Why did PR opt for IAE engines. Where the CFM not good enough? Isnt the whole a32x fleet CFM.
197 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Platitudes aside, PR probably got a more favorable offer from P&W..... http://www.pw.utc.com/Press/Story/20130618-0803/0000/All%20Categories I wo
198 Post contains links PRFlyer : Looks like RP-C8168 is on its way back to its lessor. So long otso-otso. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/PAL9
199 Akiestar : Isn't the lessor AC? I was under the impression that RP-C8168 was going to be scrapped, not returned.
200 PRFlyer : ^^ Leasor is GECAS. It is going to Mississippi.[Edited 2013-07-31 21:09:25]
201 airlinebuilder : The site on imageshack.us - has this been studied by the respective agencies like the DOTC, it is one of the best linear scheme to salvage what is le
202 Devilfish : As mentioned in the post, I was not even sure if it was a bona fide scheme proposal. Could just be the doodling of an aviation enthusiast that I stum
203 PHLapproach : GWO is strictly used for parting out and scrapping. The F9 A318s saw their last light there as well as some US 752s and the NW DC10s. Indeed, based o
204 airlinebuilder : it is interesting at the philippineairspace.blogspot.com re PALs acquisition of the A321, there was mention of its current fleet of 8 A330s and 7 A340
205 Post contains links and images Devilfish : I think I've read somewhere that a number of ocho-ocho's new business class seats and IFE were removed for installation on PR's newly-acquired, used
206 Post contains links PRFlyer : Is PR downgauging PR102/103 from a B744 to an A343? http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/07/pr-sep13/ Manila – Los Angeles 09SEP13 – 23NOV13 Service re
207 Post contains links Devilfish : PR to London postponed till December 2013 according to this..... http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...ndon-flight-moved-to-december.html
208 airlinebuilder : Can anyone with a reliable source enlighten us on : PAL having 7 A340 and adding 4 more based on the philippineairspace.blogspot.com site, where it st
209 The777Man : Probably the US as long as Philippines gets back to Cat I but it's too early to say that yet. The777Man
210 airlineaddict : Just noticed that PR is showing the flight as nonstop Westbound (from LAX) as opposed to programming the tech stop in GUM. Interesting!
211 PRFlyer : Transpac flights has been non-stop for awhile now. Tech stops will start again in Nov.
212 jfidler : I spent an hour on the phone last night dealing with this change. PR112 and PR113 (the other MNL-LAX flights) were cancelled during that period, and
213 Lufthansa747 : What's the status of Zest Air? On my recent flight their own magazine had been replaced by Air Asia Travel 3Sixty and Air Asia Cafe menu. Also, there
214 Lufthansa747 : I'll answer part of it myself... It's a 2nd hand CFM machine, delivered all white to AK, repainted and now with Z2 as RP-C8987 in full Air Asia colour
215 Post contains links Tomassjc : Well, in "not so refreshing" news.....it looks like the CAAP has suspended Zest Air operations certificate due to various safety issues. I somehow th
216 Lufthansa747 : And it srews our plans badly with flights to TAG/KLO and KUL booked with prepaid hotels.
217 dforce1 : Does anyone here actually believe that the allegations that CAAP is making against Zest Air warrant an immediate suspension? It seems to me that Cebu
218 Post contains links IndianicWorld : http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/468225/...ark-airport-due-to-naia-congestion Interesting news regarding NAIA congestion and its effect on a QF flight whi
219 flyhigh@tom : Very much true. if zest air was grounded so should be cebu pacific as well. i was a bit surprised at one of the items cited for grounding: "refueling
220 Post contains links and images Devilfish : I started a thread last night about QF128 flight from HKG to SYD which had to divert to NAIA..... http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...128-emergenc
221 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Further to the congestion concerns, the government has this alternative in addition to those suggested in #201 and #202..... http://business.inquirer.
222 Tomassjc : Same here in the States. Our operational efficiency would be crap if we weren't able to. I'd be interested to know, as well, if a specific CAR prohib
223 The777Man : Another stupid idea; they need a facility with more runways, not more terminals at NAIA. This will only add to the congestion!!! The777Man
224 Lufthansa747 : Zest is grounded because of the relationship between Yao and CAAP. As simple as that. Apart from some delays, i'd take them any day over Cebu or Tiger
225 MHG : I do ! The fact that Zest Air did not have an accountable manager since july 19 was just the final kick. This is also my impression. Measuring with d
226 Lufthansa747 : I agree Z2 was a bit shady. But it's 5-star operation compared to when Air Phils had 737-200s. Nothing was done to them. Cancellations, delays always,
227 Lufthansa747 : Also this 2GO grounding is totally ridiculous. We will today go to Bohol, wanted to take Supercat... So we have SRN aka Weesam Express whose so called
228 Lufthansa747 : Excuse my language... But fuck these idiots asking P80/hour to extend our check-out after staying a month. The el-cheaponess here has no limits.
229 Akiestar : To be fair, the suspension on Z2 has already been lifted. However, while their jets seemed fine (I have ridden on their B6 A320s, the Kingfisher A320,
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