B737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 893 posts, RR: 5 Posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3002 times:
I just heard on the news that the FBI is investigating Microsoft for making FS2K. It sounds like they are accusing MS of making it easier to fly a jetliner once in the air therefore making the whole WTC disaster possible.
Ndebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2905 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2727 times:
Poor FBI... They should rather investigate Boeing for developing the 757/767. Or the architect of the WTC. Or the fueling company at BOS/IAD - the WTC would not have burnt that much without the fuel. You know what I mean? It IS all crap!
CYKA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2650 times:
Thats plain retarded. Why dont they investigate the makers of Fly, ProPilot and X-plane as well. First it was about violent games causing people to kill and now they are acusing flight simulations, which are violence free of the same thing. Sims strive to be "As real as it gets" because if they weren't, what would be the point of wasting your time with one?
I think the FBI needs to focus on the real prolem which is the US governemt. If they would've minded their own busines and left the matters of the middle east for the countries there to solve this would never have happened.
Is like blaming the Wright Brothers of iventing an aiplane and Boeing for manufacturing their airliners. Ridiculous.
Sure any of us flightsimmer probably could have pulled off happened, but not one of us has yet had any motive to do so.
B-HOX From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 237 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2419 times:
This is just absolutely crap.....If PC sims could actually promote the easiness to fly an airplane or navigate to locate a target like the WTC.....then why the terriost pay $1000 to get in those fligt schools?....Or even so, it doesn't mean MS flight sims are allowing these terrioists to be experts in flying.........the FBI should look at other areas instead....like structure of the WTC, fuel companies or even why these people were able to get weapons aboard and use force to kill many lives.....
Sims are always be used for pleasure of freedom, or praticing your flying skills........it will never be designed for cruel people that destroy the nature of the hobby, and more so the freedom of many people once had. Simply, if the terriost used sims to enhance their flying skills, it's already defeating the purpose of the software and cheating the hobby of many aviation enthuisats.
Ydna_anderson From Philippines, joined Jun 2001, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2259 times:
CHEAP JOURNALIST!! i dont really do flight sim that mich but i know a few fundamentals go get a plane off the ground and land.... i really think that this guy wrote this thing just to be popular and earn some money from this column.... what a cheap ploy....
Zrb2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2224 times:
Ridiculous. So are they are going to outlaw MS Flightsim and plastic butter knives but hand guns for normal citizens will still be legal? That's not right.
The bottom line is that if someone is willing to kill himself in order to kill you, you really can't stop it. I'm amazed at how many of these extremist psychos in the middle east actually do know how to pilot planes.
I play with FS2K all the time but I'm sure if I got in a cockpit of a real 767 I wouldn't be that confident to fly it.
FT From Canada, joined May 2001, 80 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2180 times:
If Microsoft is going to somehow be held responsible for the events on Tuesday, then I would also assume that the debate about violence on television and in the movies has also been settled. Following the FBI's logic, all violent forms of entertainment, be they movies or video games should be held accountable for all the other violent acts that are perpetrated in the world.
Rotation18L From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2142 times:
I agree with you for the most part, except I don't believe you read Dr. Arnot's statement about AF 1 with respect to supersonic speed accurately.
He stated that an a/c with terrorists at the controls would have to reach supersonic CLOSING speed to reach AF 1. Since 747's can fly at around Mach .91 or Mach .92, another a/c would have to come pretty close to mach speed in order to close-in on AF1 at some distance.
Rapo From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2124 times:
While I completely agree with the idea that pursuing MS over this is complete crap, I do want to make one point. My wife was speaking to a friend of hers who flies A319's/A320's for a NW. She repeated the fact that once the a/c is in the air, piloting it is really a simple task that even non-pilots would quickly pick up - especially when landing it (in this case) is a non-issue.
Also, in defense of this article, I didn't get the notion that Mr. Arnot was being sensationalist. He was merely bringing up the point that all this is possible. Should he have not done so?
Krushny From Spain, joined Dec 2000, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2099 times:
I do not think the FBI is so stupid as to blame MS. They will probably be trying to find out if the terrorist need to have a serious pilot training, or if playing with the PC simulators was enough for their objectives. Or something like that. We will not see Bill Gates behind bars because of the WTC destruction.
: The article is crap but would't you agree the MS Flight Simulator could have helped a lot. I've never been to New York but I guess I was able to find
: anybody stop to think that fs2k doesn't even offer a '67 or a '57? You can fly concorde, 737, or 777. All the rest is small stuff
: The story quoted from MSNBC doesn't mention the FBI at all. It's just some idle reporter that hasn't much hard information to provide. I'm sure Micros
: I think an FBI investigation into flight simulators and their role in this event is a good thing. It will prove that nothing is going on, discrediting
29 BCal DC10
: RoyalDutch, you can download any plane you want from all manner of websites. I regularly fly a 767 (an Air NZ one... oh no! I'm the devil!!) on FS2K.
: You can download any type of aircraft to use with FS.
: At best, they could learn FMS procedures with a PC flight sim. But the feel of the aircraft when you are hand flying it is obviously impossible to rep
: This story is bogus. FBI only used MS flight sim as an example of what could be used to learn to fly. No one would seriously blame a game company for
: Yeah, slow the rumor mill down a bit. (This reminds me of all the smoking guns from grassey knolls after JFK was assassinated).
: I've been told my iBook looks like a "Flying Toilet Seat"... maybe the FBI should call Steve Jobs up in Cupertino to see there's a connection there
: This is so silly... but even so, it somehow shows the MS FS superiority over other PC simulators. I wonder if there are going to be be WTC towers in F
: The FBI has not come down on Microsoft, nor have the criticized any Flightsim programs. They simply wanted to see if a terrorist (or anyone else for t
: BCalDC10 Ya, I've heard that....but are they made by Microsoft or private providers?
: I'm trying to recall how many times I lost control of my Bell 206B JetRanger and crashed into the World Trade Center. Gosh, I feel so guilty now...
: I have the program they are talking about, its called 767 P.I.C, I could not fly a 767, that simple.
: It is not difficult to crash into World Trade Center on FS. I tried it on my computer after that terrible event. Maybe the US government will force MS
: Well if this is the logic then hollywood is more to blame, remember executive decision just to name one.
42 Cx flyboy
: A while ago in Hong Kong we had a minibus plough into a shop, killing people. I think we should ban all driving games. People get shot ALL THE TIME in
: Therefore it's out of the contol of the society to stop people harming each other......after kids watch or imitate something from T.V or video games..
: Blaming MSFS and any other flightsim is totaly absurd!!!! These damn terrorists had trained pilots among them and did not need sims to train them to f