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Microsoft Taking Slack For Flight Simulator  
User currently offlineB737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 893 posts, RR: 5
Posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3010 times:

I just heard on the news that the FBI is investigating Microsoft for making FS2K. It sounds like they are accusing MS of making it easier to fly a jetliner once in the air therefore making the whole WTC disaster possible.

First the breakup, now this?

I think it's crap, your opinions.....

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User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2905 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Poor FBI... They should rather investigate Boeing for developing the 757/767. Or the architect of the WTC. Or the fueling company at BOS/IAD - the WTC would not have burnt that much without the fuel. You know what I mean? It IS all crap!

User currently offlineCYKA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

Thats plain retarded. Why dont they investigate the makers of Fly, ProPilot and X-plane as well. First it was about violent games causing people to kill and now they are acusing flight simulations, which are violence free of the same thing. Sims strive to be "As real as it gets" because if they weren't, what would be the point of wasting your time with one?

I think the FBI needs to focus on the real prolem which is the US governemt. If they would've minded their own busines and left the matters of the middle east for the countries there to solve this would never have happened.

Is like blaming the Wright Brothers of iventing an aiplane and Boeing for manufacturing their airliners. Ridiculous.

Sure any of us flightsimmer probably could have pulled off happened, but not one of us has yet had any motive to do so.

User currently offlineSN-A330 From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 1129 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

always thought my Mac's keyboard and screen looked a lot like a 767-cockpit. Come on!  Yeah sure

I would rather be flying...
User currently offlineB737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

You're opinion is the same as mine.

Why was FS2K blamed over the competition (like you mentioned)? A TV reporter said MS Flight Sim is more accurate and better selling.

Makes alot of sense right?

User currently offlineGE From Singapore, joined Mar 2000, 320 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

This is the article guys... ENJOY! : http://www.msnbc.com/news/628194.asp?0si=-#BODY

User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2763 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

This is so cheap. It seems like the FBI wants to acuse anyone who may or may not have been involved in this incident.


User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1080 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

with the same reasoning you could argue that FSims save live in that they enable non pilots to land a plane safely if theres something wrong with the pilot.

this scenario is not that unlikely for small private planes flown by rich men in their 60ies prone to stroke or heart attack. so better their daughters and sons are trained to land.

regards, rabenschlag

User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

I read Bob Arnot's article in the link above, and it's probably the most ill-informed article I've read in the popular media so far about this incident.

Flight simulators could be a "problem"? Should we have controls, like guns?

A Piper Cub flys the same way as a 767?

A PC is a viable substitute for a full-motion sim?

AF1 can fly supersonic?

He should really stick to writing about health and medicine.

User currently offlineB-HOX From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 237 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

This is just absolutely crap.....If PC sims could actually promote the easiness to fly an airplane or navigate to locate a target like the WTC.....then why the terriost pay $1000 to get in those fligt schools?....Or even so, it doesn't mean MS flight sims are allowing these terrioists to be experts in flying.........the FBI should look at other areas instead....like structure of the WTC, fuel companies or even why these people were able to get weapons aboard and use force to kill many lives.....

Sims are always be used for pleasure of freedom, or praticing your flying skills........it will never be designed for cruel people that destroy the nature of the hobby, and more so the freedom of many people once had. Simply, if the terriost used sims to enhance their flying skills, it's already defeating the purpose of the software and cheating the hobby of many aviation enthuisats.


User currently offlineCathay Pacific From Australia, joined May 2000, 1864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

maybe MS funded the terrorist for this attack....

please....give me a break......

cathay pacific, now you're really flying
User currently offlineSyoon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

Hope won't these cause FS2002 release delay.......

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 30410 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

Meanwhile back on planet earth....other people are dealing with real problems.... Yeah sure

User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

and there I was hassling the M$ staff about this today .... but I was only joking.

Surely this must be a joke?

Maybe the FBI really are elephant trackers.


User currently offlineAirways From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 880 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

In fact, I already thougt that there will be a "clever" journalist comming up with this story.


User currently offlineYdna_anderson From Philippines, joined Jun 2001, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

CHEAP JOURNALIST!! i dont really do flight sim that mich but i know a few fundamentals go get a plane off the ground and land.... i really think that this guy wrote this thing just to be popular and earn some money from this column.... what a cheap ploy....

User currently offlineZrb2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

Ridiculous. So are they are going to outlaw MS Flightsim and plastic butter knives but hand guns for normal citizens will still be legal? That's not right.
The bottom line is that if someone is willing to kill himself in order to kill you, you really can't stop it. I'm amazed at how many of these extremist psychos in the middle east actually do know how to pilot planes.
I play with FS2K all the time but I'm sure if I got in a cockpit of a real 767 I wouldn't be that confident to fly it.

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

That article needs a BARF ALERT by it.

"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlineAirbus380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

This is so stupid. So when there's a train crash are they going to blame it on Microsoft Train Simulator. Give me a break.

User currently offlineFT From Canada, joined May 2001, 80 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

If Microsoft is going to somehow be held responsible for the events on Tuesday, then I would also assume that the debate about violence on television and in the movies has also been settled. Following the FBI's logic, all violent forms of entertainment, be they movies or video games should be held accountable for all the other violent acts that are perpetrated in the world.

User currently offlineLuxair From Luxembourg, joined Jan 2001, 877 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

What a BULLSH**T

User currently offlineB-HOX From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 237 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2168 times:



User currently offlineRotation18L From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2150 times:


I agree with you for the most part, except I don't believe you read Dr. Arnot's statement about AF 1 with respect to supersonic speed accurately.

He stated that an a/c with terrorists at the controls would have to reach supersonic CLOSING speed to reach AF 1. Since 747's can fly at around Mach .91 or Mach .92, another a/c would have to come pretty close to mach speed in order to close-in on AF1 at some distance.


User currently offlineRapo From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 395 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

While I completely agree with the idea that pursuing MS over this is complete crap, I do want to make one point. My wife was speaking to a friend of hers who flies A319's/A320's for a NW. She repeated the fact that once the a/c is in the air, piloting it is really a simple task that even non-pilots would quickly pick up - especially when landing it (in this case) is a non-issue.

Also, in defense of this article, I didn't get the notion that Mr. Arnot was being sensationalist. He was merely bringing up the point that all this is possible. Should he have not done so?


User currently offlineKrushny From Spain, joined Dec 2000, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (14 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

I do not think the FBI is so stupid as to blame MS. They will probably be trying to find out if the terrorist need to have a serious pilot training, or if playing with the PC simulators was enough for their objectives. Or something like that. We will not see Bill Gates behind bars because of the WTC destruction.

25 Blackened : The article is crap but would't you agree the MS Flight Simulator could have helped a lot. I've never been to New York but I guess I was able to find
26 RoyalDutch : anybody stop to think that fs2k doesn't even offer a '67 or a '57? You can fly concorde, 737, or 777. All the rest is small stuff
27 Sotomayor : The story quoted from MSNBC doesn't mention the FBI at all. It's just some idle reporter that hasn't much hard information to provide. I'm sure Micros
28 Jwenting : I think an FBI investigation into flight simulators and their role in this event is a good thing. It will prove that nothing is going on, discrediting
29 BCal DC10 : RoyalDutch, you can download any plane you want from all manner of websites. I regularly fly a 767 (an Air NZ one... oh no! I'm the devil!!) on FS2K.
30 Airbus380 : You can download any type of aircraft to use with FS.
31 Ryu2 : At best, they could learn FMS procedures with a PC flight sim. But the feel of the aircraft when you are hand flying it is obviously impossible to rep
32 B808/A400 : This story is bogus. FBI only used MS flight sim as an example of what could be used to learn to fly. No one would seriously blame a game company for
33 B727-231 : Yeah, slow the rumor mill down a bit. (This reminds me of all the smoking guns from grassey knolls after JFK was assassinated).
34 Post contains images Teej13 : I've been told my iBook looks like a "Flying Toilet Seat"... maybe the FBI should call Steve Jobs up in Cupertino to see there's a connection there
35 Dufo : This is so silly... but even so, it somehow shows the MS FS superiority over other PC simulators. I wonder if there are going to be be WTC towers in F
36 MCOtoATL : The FBI has not come down on Microsoft, nor have the criticized any Flightsim programs. They simply wanted to see if a terrorist (or anyone else for t
37 RoyalDutch : BCalDC10 Ya, I've heard that....but are they made by Microsoft or private providers?
38 AgnusBymaster : I'm trying to recall how many times I lost control of my Bell 206B JetRanger and crashed into the World Trade Center. Gosh, I feel so guilty now...
39 NWA : I have the program they are talking about, its called 767 P.I.C, I could not fly a 767, that simple.
40 CXCPA : It is not difficult to crash into World Trade Center on FS. I tried it on my computer after that terrible event. Maybe the US government will force MS
41 Sforamper : Well if this is the logic then hollywood is more to blame, remember executive decision just to name one.
42 Cx flyboy : A while ago in Hong Kong we had a minibus plough into a shop, killing people. I think we should ban all driving games. People get shot ALL THE TIME in
43 B-HOX : Therefore it's out of the contol of the society to stop people harming each other......after kids watch or imitate something from T.V or video games..
44 Post contains links åviatioÑ_lover : Blaming MSFS and any other flightsim is totaly absurd!!!! These damn terrorists had trained pilots among them and did not need sims to train them to f
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