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PIT Update Thread 26  
User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 23928 times:

The previous thread is over 200 replies
PIT Update Thread Part 25 (by iowaman Feb 27 2013 in Civil Aviation)

To start #26, here's a historic diversion down memory lane via some system timetable covers and advertisements featuring Pittsburgh.



http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/JDawgphoto/IMG_0305_zps08ed1aa9.jpg






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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 23945 times:

New air service developments include:

- LBE-DFW on Spirit
- 7th daily PIT-DTW on DL
- 7th daily PIT-ORD on UA
- DL changes to NYC... the A-319 to LGA will change to an MD-80, and the return of a 757 to JFK (to position an aircraft for PIT-CDG)
- daily PIT-SFO next winter on UA
- 6x weekly PIT-LAX next winter on UA
- PIT-BNA on WN
- 4th daily PIT-BOS on B6

PIT-HOU on WN and AA additions discussed last thread.



Related to air service development is economic strength/growth. On that note, here is some good news:

"U-Haul Ranks Pittsburgh as 2012 Top U.S. Growth City"
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...-top-us-growth-city-202676371.html
Perhaps a bit misleading, as this only compares in-migration compared to out-migration. It does not consider births vs. deaths. Pittsburgh has a very high average age, and this has plagued the region's population stats negatively for many years. I think this phenomenon will finally pass in a few years, and the region's true economic vitality will be more clear. In the mean time, it's still great to be ahead of the traditional cities which have made up that list.

And more office development in the airport corridor:
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...per-building-spec-building-in.html

Royal Dutch Shell to enter a joint venture to service midstream natural gas companies related to its proposed cracker in Beaver County.
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...liams-shell-joint-venture-for.html



FLYi
User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 23906 times:

I wonder how long that 4 daily PIT-BOS will last

User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9263 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 23737 times:

I had no idea that Yugoslav Airlines once served PIT...

Also, in that United ad, is that the then-under-construction US Steel Building in that ad?

Oh, and the links to bizjournals aren't working...



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 23662 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 3):
I had no idea that Yugoslav Airlines once served PIT...

Scheduled charters only, to DTW, CLE, and PIT.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 3):
Also, in that United ad, is that the then-under-construction US Steel Building in that ad?

Yes



FLYi
User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 23480 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 3):

Oh, and the links to bizjournals aren't working...
Quoting pit (Reply 11):

By the way, none of those links worked for me.

Try these:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...-top-us-growth-city-202676371.html

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...liams-shell-joint-venture-for.html

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...per-building-spec-building-in.html



FLYi
User currently offlineprimetimeDC9 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 23194 times:

As a pilot who jumpseats from PIT and routinely across the country to other airports I can tell you that PIT is NOT an easy place to get in and out of due to a lack of available seats, quite the opposite of what our CLT fan suggests. Additionally, a large portion of seats both in and out of hubs (CLT) are filled with non-rev passengers travelling to-from work, these pilots and flight attendents certainly count for a fair share of seats. I've never seen smack talking between airports by the way, it certainly is a strange tactic to employ.

User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 22942 times:

(Misread what you wrote...) Yeah, your right. I heard the HOU Flight is producing well out of pit. I wouldnt be shocked if it goes to 2x daily soon. And in regards to UA to IAH, Looking at the summer schedule, 6x a day. 2 320's 2 739's and 2 145's. Not too bad if you ask me...

[Edited 2013-04-20 14:37:01]

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 22914 times:

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 18):
I heard the HOU Flight is producing well out of pit. I wouldnt be shocked if it goes to 2x daily soon.

I check the WN website from time to time, and the flight isn't very cheap either; I imagine it will do well.




I wouldn't have believed a word of this 5 years ago. Its amazing the transformation this city is undergoing:
http://www.businessinsider.com/oil-i...ing-migration-to-pittsburgh-2013-4



FLYi
User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9263 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 22884 times:

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 18):
2 320's 2 739's and 2 145's. Not too bad if you ask me...

I'd go as far as calling those ERJs as "token" RJs, especially when they're paired up against aircraft like A320s and 739s, which seat 150 to 175 pax...

I wouldn't call LF of roughly 60-80% on PIT-DFW via 3x daily AA MD80s all that bad. That was for the 3 available flights departing today. I believe that AA has four daily flights. AA.com showed 3 n-s flights available, so I assumed there were no more available seats on one of the MD80s. Or are there only 3 flights on Saturday/Sunday but 4 during the week?



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 22638 times:

Vacation/cruise charter?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK554



FLYi
User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 22420 times:

Looks like it will be a few more weeks before we know PeoplExpress's plans
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...ress-plans-to-acquire-airline.html



FLYi
User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9263 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 21848 times:

I'm still not holding my breath on the whole PeoplExpress bit. A little while back, it looks like US posted its quarterly profit information, and it mentioned how they were filling their planes. I was curious as to how many of the inbound or outbound flights were full...


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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 21834 times:

Some more nice upgrades coming from Delta include:

- 4th JFK frequency (including on days the 757 runs) while maintaining 6x LGA (including 1 MD-80)
- 7th DTW frequency (previously mentioned); upgauge of one of the flights to MD-80
- MSP will remain at 4x, however will see upgauges to include 2 A319/320 and 2 CR9s
- upgauge of the first ATL flight to a 757



FLYi
User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9263 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 21691 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 13):
Some more nice upgrades coming from Delta include:

- 4th JFK frequency (including on days the 757 runs) while maintaining 6x LGA (including 1 MD-80)
- 7th DTW frequency (previously mentioned); upgauge of one of the flights to MD-80
- MSP will remain at 4x, however will see upgauges to include 2 A319/320 and 2 CR9s
- upgauge of the first ATL flight to a 757

Those are all sweet-@ss upgrades! Mainline to Detroit AND Minneapolis? Even the RJ equipment is large 70-some-seat CR9 equipment...

Besides the MD80 to LGA, what is the mix, E70/75 equipment?



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User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 21580 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 14):
Besides the MD80 to LGA, what is the mix, E70/75 equipment?

1x MD-88, 4x CRJ700, 1x E-175


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9263 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 21519 times:

Quoting N670UW (Reply 15):
1x MD-88, 4x CRJ700, 1x E-175

Decent amount of seats. Isn't that over 500 seats?



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User currently offlinejetblue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 21206 times:

Not bad. What do you guys think could be any new routes on airlines from PIT.


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User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 21136 times:

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 17):
Not bad. What do you guys think could be any new routes on airlines from PIT.

I could see WN adding STL. Maybe even B6 to FLL.


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9263 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 21006 times:

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 18):
I could see WN adding STL. Maybe even B6 to FLL.

There was speculation that B6 might add a Florida market from PIT. I guess FLL would suit B6 well. Doesn't WN serve PIT-FLL only on a seasonal basis?

Besides possible LHR, could the "new" AA possibly add another city from PIT? I know it's probably a stretch, but SAN or SEA? Is AA strong in either one of those markets?



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User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 20964 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 19):

There was speculation that B6 might add a Florida market from PIT. I guess FLL would suit B6 well. Doesn't WN serve PIT-FLL only on a seasonal basis?

FL does, and its year round service. 2x daily.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 19):
Besides possible LHR, could the "new" AA possibly add another city from PIT? I know it's probably a stretch, but SAN or SEA? Is AA strong in either one of those markets?

As much as i would love to see PIT-SEA or PIT-SAN, i highly doubt US-AA would be a player on these routes. US-AA only serves their hubs from both of those stations. If we see a PIT-SEA, I think it would be on AS or DL. PIT-SAN on AS.

Just my opinion.


User currently offlinejetblue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 20960 times:

With this FLL expansion B6 is having serving FLL now makes sense. WN just recently made FLs 117 seat 717 go up to 2 daily instead of 1 because the route was performing well. If JetBlue really wants to get loyalty from the PIT customers then they should have done MCO or FLL To begin with. It won't back fire on the BOS because almost all the connecting options are different. They should be able to fill around 160-200 seats aday on the E190.


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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9263 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 20901 times:

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 21):
It won't back fire on the BOS because almost all the connecting options are different. They should be able to fill around 160-200 seats aday on the E190.

By the looks of that, that would look like 2x daily E90s to FLL. Yeah, I think that would be doable.  

When is DL's 1x weekly MCO flights supposed to start (if it hasn't yet)? I wonder how booking is looking for that if it's bookable. I find it somewhat odd that there is no legacy airline on PIT-MCO other than the 1x weekly seasonal DL service. Then again, it is a rather low-yielding (high touristy, little-to-no business travel) route to begin with. Pretty soon, WN is going to have PIT-MCO all to itself...

Would PIT-MCO work for B6 still, or are they too late?



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User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 20849 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 22):
Would PIT-MCO work for B6 still, or are they too late?

IMO, Doubtful.

Remember the main reason we were fed that B6 PIT-JFK ended was because they could not get good slots for business travelers. From what I understand those flights still seemed to be pretty full so who knows.
PIT-MCO is a market that has FL and WN written all over it. FLL however does seem to make more sense for B6.


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20840 times:

I'd expect Houston-Pittsburgh (all airports) to keep booming for a while. I work and consult with several companies that are flying many, many landmen up to Pittsburgh for work down in St Clairsville, Ohio, Wheeling,and Southeasts PA. As with everything oil and gas, first we sent surveyors and geologists, then lawyers and landmen, soon the drillers and roughnecks (very simplified example but I guess I made the point). It is a very big fly-in fly-out industry (at least those I've worked with) thus I'd expect this two metros to get more service over the next few years. Some are even using Columbus and Cleveland as alternatives and shuttling people to the area if PIT flights are full.

[Edited 2013-04-29 21:13:52]


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25 jetblue1058 : Well then southwest should go 2-4 daily on HOU-PIT. 1 daily can't stay for long.
26 FlyingSicilian : I've had people on that flight weekly the last two months and they tell me it is always packed, though I realise that doesn't always mean profit.
27 steeler83 : Then they could tweak the fares a bit so that they could turn a profit, right? The demand is certainly there if the planes are going out full, so why
28 Post contains links PITrules : Chevron's plans for a regional headquarters seem to be evolving into a 60+ acre campus next to the airport boundary http://triblive.com/business/headl
29 LouieP2186 : You got that right! I don't expect them to add onto that route until they start flying international out of HOU. PIT-IAH on UA is almost always full.
30 Post contains links dumbell2424 : http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...es-probe-of-airline-merger-in.html
31 steeler83 : I'm still thinking the AA/US merger will be a good thing for the region. AA is already adding LAX service, and there is speculation they might add LH
32 kkephart13 : As much as i would love to see LHR...(And im not doubting anyone) But what are the sources that this route MAY be added??
33 jetblue1058 : Well guys. The WN-FL merger is finally affecting PIT. Both RSW and FLL are being transferred to SWA starting November 3rd. Say good bye to Airtran on
34 MasseyBrown : Segal failed to wring out enough costs the first time.
35 PITrules : What a wasted effort on his part. The combined US/AA route structure from PIT has already been optimized and is starting to grow again. Barring a mir
36 steeler83 : Agreed. It is speculation, but it is from rather reputable members of A.net; those who follow and seem to understand the industry and how/why airline
37 MasseyBrown : Pretty sound speculation, seems to me. Post-merger, as a result of efficiencies and A321 deliveries, AA will have some 757's to play with. With US's
38 flyguy89 : I agree that it's sound speculation, but I wouldn't hold my breath. There definitely is a great business case for the route and other similar routes,
39 jetblue1058 : Do you guys see US Airways starting any new PIT routes in the future? I honestly wander when the last time a US route was added from PIT.
40 southwest737500 : Seriously..... Us airways lol just put money in SWA adding more flights
41 Post contains links PITrules : AGC will keep its tower operating overnight in what is a total waste of money IMHO. http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...airport-overnight-shift-sav
42 kkephart13 : His question wasnt "Should PIT invest money in adding flights on southwest?" I will be kind though and repeat his question for you... They may whenev
43 steeler83 : I thought PITrules answered that with this: I guess all of that was axed when US went from 110 departures down to 68 or perhaps some time after that.
44 Post contains links dumbell2424 : Agreed, here's a link to the full text of the letter that I just came across: http://politicalnews.me/?id=23540&keys=DOJ-EVALUATE-MERGER-AIRLINES
45 kkephart13 : Apologies, he did. we must of posted seconds apart as it wasnt there when i was typing. But i was corrected!
46 PITrules : American Eagle Outfitters is in the 600 range, I think they have the best shot; and GNC is in the 900 range. Both are locally headquartered and expan
47 steeler83 : I do agree that it is of the biggest concern, but even that didn't make too much sense considering the biggest operations were no longer in PIT anymo
48 jetblue1058 : AirTran added 2X daily FLL this past winter. Now with SWA taking over I just checked and SWA has it at 1 daily 737-700 143 seats down from 234 on AirT
49 steeler83 : That would certainly leave a hole in the network for Southern Florida. I guess B6 could add PIT from FLL. Do you suppose AA might up the E45s to at l
50 jetblue1058 : @steeler83. Our best chance would be the E175s down the road to MIA. With the republic maintenance base here and the PIT being an eagle station so mai
51 PITrules : I doubt the WN schedules for next winter are finalized. AA is in bankruptcy, and they are merging with US. Two reasons why this notion about eagle vs
52 LouieP2186 : It does mean something and it doesn't. You add bigger jets and mainline employees have to return unless you find the loophole in the union contract.
53 steeler83 : I thought the criteria for Eagle vs mainline is 20-plus daily departures. I saw that posted either earlier in this thread or at some point in the pre
54 Post contains images pit : and B6 On a side note regading fortune 500, JetBlue just joined the club at 495!
55 Post contains links PITrules : My point being, AA is in bankruptcy so that part of the union agreement can be voided quite easily. We all know airlines have no problem voiding cont
56 pliersinsight : There are some rather important folks who keep their aircraft at AGC........I suspect that would explain it.
57 Flaps : After the merger they will be a mainline station by default. US is the aquiring carrier and they are already a mainline (and highly paid) station. Th
58 Post contains links tooluther : Delta's PIT-CDG service resumes today. A/s is coming in this afternoon from JFK as DL1170 before hopping across the pond as DL 631 http://flightaware.
59 jetblue1058 : I looked at the loads yesterday and they were 155/168. Not sure if more people have checked in now today. Not bad for the first flight of season, tryi
60 PITrules : Looks like it is now oversold as they are not selling any more tickets. I'm surprised they don't cycle the 757 through ATL instead of JFK.
61 southwest737500 : B6 isn't going to add flights to PIT. PIT will probably drop back go 3 daily. After studying those loads for a week they didn't look to pretty. B6 wi
62 pit : I was giving a hint, I guess you didnt get that...
63 southwest737500 : I get it ......
64 N670UW : Like CLT-CLT?
65 Post contains images flyguy89 : I'm curious as to how you have access to B6's load and yield information if you don't work for them.
66 LouieP2186 : It's nice to see that return. PIT is such a good airport (my opinion) and I hope another carrier might add another pond jump. Curious does anyone kno
67 pit : I tried to catch Delta 3599 PIT-JFK yesterday but after multiple grounds stops and GDP's they finally cancelled the flight. It was a CR2 and completl
68 jetblue1058 : I was wandering why the aircraft was delayed. I went out to 28R and then after it got delayed to 8(later 9) I left.
69 Post contains links PITrules : Natural gas drilling at PIT won't happen until 2016: http://www.timesonline.com/news/ener...8-c351-53ca-893f-3e663717ba3b.html
70 flightsimer : Talking in general about Europe from PIT, hasn't the consensus always been in past threads that a German city would be the best option even over today
71 Post contains links PITrules : Pittsburgh's German business connections are centered in DUS and CGN. While the US Airways PIT-FRA flight was quite successful with the hub, O&D
72 tarmacphotos : Why is that?
73 PITrules : I can only speculate that it is because DL has a monopoly on nonstop service to Europe from PIT, unlike in PHL. Also loads seem to be a bit better fr
74 dabpit : PIT needs some flights to the Latin America and the Caribbean since it is a growing market and seems to have the demand.
75 steeler83 : Like PIT-AUA to name one? I know that's actually an airport high up on Reina Beatrix Airport's "wish list." Who would you see that would be the most
76 kkephart13 : My opinion would be FL. And im surprised that they dont make PIT-CUN or PIT-PUJ scheduled service out of there.
77 steeler83 : Considering they're about to be absorbed into WN, I'm thinking the likelihood of this would be quite low, especially when you consider their commitme
78 dabpit : I agree. I think the more likely option like stated before is better timed AA service with a larger aircraft. There is also the possibility for B6 to
79 Post contains images steeler83 : Does DL seem to be gaining any strength in PIT? I'd like to think that they are, but they won't be quite as strong as the new AA will be when they me
80 dabpit : I fly DL all the time in and out of PIT and most of the flights are full or close to full. New York airports and ATL are the top to areas for connect
81 Post contains links PITrules : "Airport authority bond rating rises" "Moody's gave the authority's Airport Revenue Bonds an A3, up from Baa1 in its latest report. Among the positive
82 USPIT10L : I agree, I check people (mostly German citizens) to DUS all the time, always through EWR or ORD to DUS on LH. I've heard multiple sources say PITLHR
83 dabpit : Maybe with a much needed lounge update and lower fares.
84 Post contains links PITrules : I don't think a revenue guarantee is a requirement to land LHR service. However, if AA were to insist I don't think getting the same program in place
85 steeler83 : A lounge update, possibly. More mainline equipment with more first class options and better IFE options could also work. (I still say that the curren
86 kpitrrat : Speaking of walled off concourses, I noticed that the old Quaker Steak reopened in A, I believe it was last week. Swung by and I'd say the place look
87 tooluther : IIRC United will also consolidate ops in A (they were apparently pressing to reopen the end gates, but I guess the decided they could fit in the space
88 jetblue1058 : What is the "great gate" assignment changes? What airlines would be involved and to which gates/areas would they move. I could see the D united ops (e
89 steeler83 : Well, I heard that A will have the WN and the UA gates, B will be all US (AA once the merger goes through), that will likely leave C wide open, other
90 Post contains links PITrules : More detail regarding the "Findlay Crossing" office plan next to the airport announced yesterday: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...s-much-develo
91 steeler83 : I know you don't like development on airport property (is this even on ACAA land?), but I think this would be good for the Airport corridor. I also s
92 PITrules : It's not airport land and I agree this is great kind of development. As far as I know the developer stated they would not build anything based on spe
93 kkephart13 : I heard that as well. Recently i was talking with some employees at PIT and they said the ACAA wants a contract saying that the closed off gates will
94 steeler83 : Unless the two airlines want to operate 75 flights each, I don't see why their current schedules would warrant reopening the gates. Believe me, it wo
95 flightsimer : Could you post us some information on the tanker article for those of us who are not members of the site?
96 Post contains links NWADC9 : http://moon.patch.com/articles/171st...on-short-list-for-tankers-9abc607d
97 PITrules : Sorry about that, the entire article was available when I first posted the link. Thx
98 flyinryan99 : Does anyone else think PIT could handle a second FBO? The last few times I've flown into Atlantic, it's been packed. I know their hangars are packed t
99 boeingkid : I think that PIT could handle a second FBO there is plenty of room on the field, but AGC takes alot of their GA traffic
100 tarmacphotos : There may be plenty of room for another FBO, but I doubt there is the traffic to support two FBOs. Perhaps Atlantic could use more hangar space though
101 Post contains links PITrules : "Spirit to begin flying from Palmer airport to Dallas-Fort Worth" http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...rport-to-dallas-fort-worth-689692/
102 Post contains images tarmacphotos : I just had to laugh at the last sentence: "Here is the schedule at the airport on days when all four flights are flying: • 10:44 a.m., flight from F
103 Post contains links PITrules : It actually looks like a pretty steady schedule throughout the day, which is good for the businesses in the airport. 4 A-320's in one day ... not too
104 Post contains links PITrules : "Travelers frustrated by lack of direct flights at Pittsburgh International Airport" Nothing we don't already know. The video has more context than th
105 Post contains links steeler83 : I'm sure all of that would only help to bolster local traffic flying in and out of PIT. There is also an article in the Pittsburgh Business Times abou
106 jetblue1058 : The thing I found sad about that video is the traveler to LAX clearly represents a typical PIT traveler, they are loyal to US Airways, because that wa
107 Post contains images Flaps : It will be interesting to see how the market reacts when the US name finally disappears for good. Should be a boon to Amtrack, Greyhound and Megabus a
108 steeler83 : That airline that has screwed PIT is about to merge with another large airline. There is still ongoing discussion that the new AA/US might maintain P
109 jetblue1058 : @steeler83 I wouldn't call Deltas 30 flights a day out of SEA a big enough operation to consider PIT, we could MAYBE see an Alaska airlines 1X SEA wit
110 Post contains images tarmacphotos : Did US screw PIT or did our politicians screw US by increasing fees and taxes which made it unprofitable to operate here? How can you blame a company
111 Flaps : Allegheny County politicians are generally worthless unless you happen to be in their pockets but the politicians had nothing to do with this. They of
112 steeler83 : I thought they were bigger than that up in SEA. I know their operation out of LAX is bigger than that tho. US operates 47 daily departures, while AA
113 Post contains links and images PITrules : While the leases were rejected in bankruptcy, the effective date of that rejection wasn't until 8-9 months later. It was during that time period the
114 tarmacphotos : Nothing? Really? The politicians have made PIT very business unfriendly.
115 pit : Delta is increasing LGA-PIT frequency again. The war is on between US AIrways and Delta. DL LGA-PIT SEP 5>7 OCT 5>7 NOV 5>7 JAN 6>7 FEB 6&
116 steeler83 : Pit's post is not showing... filler
117 Flaps : I was referring to what was done during the bankruptcy and the events leading up to the hub abandonment. I was not referring to events since then. As
118 PITrules : In light of the news of Delta dropping Memphis as a hub, I checked Delta.com and looks like they will be maintaining PIT-MEM service, although only 1x
119 Post contains links PITrules : Looks like Virgin Atlantic will put in at least a couple appearances in late September: http://www.steelers.com/tickets-and-stadium/International_Seri
120 Post contains links tarmacphotos : The only flying B-29 along with a C-45, P-51 and Stearman will be at AGC Wed-Sun this week: http://www.airpowersquadron.org/#!pittsburgh-pa/cg97
121 Post contains links PITrules : "Dick’s Sporting Goods expanding corporate presence at Pittsburgh International" http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...ting-goods-expanding-hq-agai
122 southwest737500 : I have a few friends who work at jetblue...
123 pliersinsight : Something is coming. A retail concept that needs to get started in the states from abroad. The rent is cheap at PIT......good place to try it out and
124 kkephart13 : I heard a rumor today that the airport authority and TSA came to an agreement to move BOTH the main checkpoint and the alternate security checkpoint
125 jetblue1058 : If they moved the TSA checkpoint that wod be awful. I always go from concourse to concourse to Goto different airline gates. If they did move the chec
126 PITrules : I doubt that. Pre-911, I think the number of people quoted as coming to the airport for nothing other than shopping was greatly exaggerated. Who goes
127 pliersinsight : We shall see. I expect to have more specific information shortly.
128 Post contains links PITrules : I'm not doubting your rumor; just the bit about PIT having cheap rent. I have no evidence, but I'd be shocked if retail space at PIT is not more expe
129 Flaps : TSA checkpoints at each concourse would be a nightmare. At peak periods now they stretch to the door in the main terminal and I've frequently seen the
130 Post contains images steeler83 : After reading all these posts, I would have to agree that moving the TSA checkpoints to the Airside core would be a disaster for reasons already state
131 PITrules : The existing main checkpoint is suspended on a bridge over the lower level commercial curb. I suppose it would be possible to widen that bridge, but
132 pliersinsight : I wasn't saying it is cheap compared to another mall, but cheap compared other malls / retail space in airports....the key here is that this is an ai
133 Flaps : Another good point. IMHO moving those checkpoints would be the crowning achievement of the ACAA in the stupidity category. While the current setup is
134 steeler83 : PITrules, I do have to say you make some valid points, but I do have to agree with Flaps. While completely overhauling the current setup at Landside
135 Post contains links PITrules : Regarding the combined US/AA adding flights, that may not be happening according to Fitzy: "“What they’re telling us is on the merger Pittsburgh w
136 Flaps : On an unrelated note, in observing FlightAware over the past several months I have been noticing what appear to be numerous extra sections on the Comm
137 Post contains images steeler83 : I actually like Fitzgerald. I like what he is doing for things pertaining to the county outside of PIT. When it does come to PIT, I do have to say I
138 flightsimer : An instructor where I work/fly at recently left to go to commutair. He was based at CLE, but still lived in PIT. I had asked him about the flights be
139 steeler83 : What is the O&D like between PIT and CLE? For two cities that have so much in common, why so apparently small travel demand? There's this evidenc
140 USPIT10L : Just a glitch in FlightAware probably. 4845 is the new flight number for the 7:15p departure, and 4809 is the afternoon departure. There's two or thr
141 jetblue1058 : Isn't PIT-CLE 3X most days?
142 dabpit : That would be a disaster. It would be nice if they re-designed the security check point maybe use concourse E? They should look at the London Gatwick
143 kpitrrat : That could also be the Frontier flight that DGS handled. I think it went CLE-PIT-CUN? CUN?-PIT-CLE
144 pliersinsight : More detail: End of August slated opening Six or so stores Higher end European based, clothing, shoes ect. Central core area Point of entry for the Eu
145 USFlyer26 : Hi Guys - Long time lurker, first time poster. I just wanted to confirm pliersinsight's "rumor". I was talking with one of the US Club agents the othe
146 jetblue1058 : Any chance that PIT-DCA will go back to some mainline flights on the merged AA?
147 steeler83 : Welcome to the forum, and good to know! That would be nice. The more mainline that actually does come to PIT after the merger, the better. If anythin
148 Post contains links PITrules : "Pittsburgh International Airport will house the largest Tuskegee Airmen exhibit of any airport, organizers said on Sunday" http://triblive.com/news/a
149 kkephart13 : Heres how i look at it. I think it would be a good thing. My reasons why: 1) I know there are very few, but it would make clearing customs much easie
150 pliersinsight : If this was an episode of Mythbusters, I'd get the plausible plaque and a booya for dragging a lurker into participating. Although I am sure I will NE
151 Post contains links PITrules : Because.. it is. This was thoroughly proven in PIT update #24 with facts and figures. PIT Update Thread #24 Replies #229-240 Edit - and since then we
152 steeler83 : This should make Pittsburgh aviation interesting. PIT and LBE being commercial airports with this one serving primarily private/corporate aircraft...
153 Post contains links USFlyer26 : Haha. Also, here's an article about PIT's partnership with Airest Collezioni: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...ternational-airport-195090741.ht
154 Post contains links PITrules : Some really cool pics from the inside of the B-29 that recently visited: http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...s-inside-the-last-flying-b-29.html ...
155 Post contains links PITrules : "Paris Air Show a big deal for Pittsburgh manufacturers" http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...-show-a-big-deal-for.html?page=all
156 flightsimer : Love how the last picture it say about showing age due to leaking oil... That's completely normal. If its not leaking oil, then you know you have rea
157 pit : As for the gate moves, this is information that the ACAA put out in January, it may have changed since, It looks like allot of changes but no reopenin
158 Flaps : I would imagine that when the US/AA consolidation comes they would simply co-locate in B using the existing leased gates. They are not heavily utilize
159 pit : Theres not enough gates in C as the county wont lease C58 beyond as they are the only international gates at the airport. In my opion it would be cos
160 Post contains links PITrules : "Latrobe gains as Pittsburgh traffic declines" http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...e-gains-as-pittsburgh-traffic.html
161 tarmacphotos : "And Latrobe offers nonstop service to two other cities that are big among western Pennsylvanians but that no longer have nonstop service from Pittsbu
162 Flaps : Any ideas on what N713JM a 738 registered to Boeing is doing in PIT, arriving from Abbotsford BC?
163 Post contains links PITrules : The age of the aircraft (less than one month) and its Boeing registration, me thinks this BBJ is on its delivery flight where ownership is transferred
164 Post contains links PITrules : Some blurbs about the so called "PIT Connector" initiative have surfaced from different communities over the past weeks. Altoona, PA (AOO): "The bigge
165 Flaps : I really cant see this being successful. It worked well for US because they had a jillion online connecting flights to flow to and from. That connect
166 PITrules : With the old US hub, some of these communities had up to 10 flights a day to PIT due to the connection opportunities, often with larger aircraft. Tha
167 USPIT10L : Uh, it's BFD, not BDF. You mean Bradford, right? Most of the Silver flying is not profitable, regardless, from CLE. BFD, JHW, FKL and DUJ all struggl
168 PITrules : If this is true, add one more reason why Silver Airways is contemplating this plan.
169 Flaps : All very good points. I still think that that market is about 5 years away from supporting this type of service. The IAH/DFW/HOU interline is critica
170 flyinryan99 : It's already going on. I have an insured who is a Part 135 operator there in Pittsburgh who runs almost a shuttle style operation for an energy compa
171 Post contains images USPIT10L : Agreed. I don't see DFW or IAH getting cut anytime soon,
172 PITrules : On another note, 1 1/2 hours to clear the CDG arrival yesterday - only one customs official on duty. Not cool, and I hope this has not been the status
173 kpitrrat : Im not sure if this equates to officers on duty (doubtful), but I saw 4 customs vehicles parked over by their entrance at C56 pretty much all last we
174 Post contains links PITrules : "Glowing reports come from Pittsburgh airport gas fields" "The land under Pittsburgh International Airport, already expected to hold hundreds of milli
175 Post contains images point2point : Seems like PIT could easily be torn down and the land can be put to better use as a natural gas field...... (lol)
176 Post contains images MasseyBrown : Silver (when it was Gulfstream) said that the CLE operation was in fact profitable. Edit: Of course, they haven't said this lately. If only VTOL airc
177 Post contains links and images PITrules : Looks like runway 10C/28C magically gained over 1,000'. The new published length is 10,775', making it the airport's second longest runway. I imagine
178 steeler83 : Interesting. Now 3 of the 4 runways at PIT will be in excess of 10,000 feet in length. At 10,775 feet, it's just over 2 miles long. Is there a need fo
179 boeingkid : No PIT does not need this
180 PITrules : As previously mentioned, the amount of physical pavement remains the same. This is a safety improvement pure and simple. The runway needed re-constru
181 Post contains links PITrules : "Pittsburgh gas project could benefit cargo" http://www.aircargoworld.com/Air-Car...roject-could-benefit-cargo/0814412 "Brad Penrod, president and chi
182 jetblue1058 : if this is new but the few past times i have gone to the airport the CDG flight has departed from gate C61 instead of getting towed to the typical D78
183 boeingkid : The RCM "Runway Closure Marker" denotes the runway is closed most likely for construction or because of an emergency pavement repair.
184 ckfred : Is it possible that once the AA/US merger closes, and the combined carrier starts to move aircraft around, that ORD-PIT would either see additional fr
185 Post contains links steeler83 : I've wondered that myself. Either one would be a good thing for PIT. Speaking of PIT, PITrules, I'm disappointed in you... for not posting this: http
186 Post contains links PITrules : Their current schedule is 6x daily - 5 with ER4s and one CR7 Their Fall schedule will be 7x daily - 4 with E75s, 1 CR7, and two ER4s; a pretty good i
187 Cush : While the 55 cents may not seem like much, it adds up over time. I mean, think about it. Nowadays, no one LOWERS any fees for anything. Everyone incre
188 USPIT10L : Sure, but it all depends what AA/US does in the future to retain that FF base. Longtime Dividend Miles elites will have to choose--UA or AA/US. Yep,
189 PITrules : Delta will be adding scheduled seasonal Saturday service to NAS and PUJ next winter (MCO returns as well). NAS will be a CR7 and PUJ an A-320. This wi
190 Post contains links tooluther : some additional info in the PG article: "Mr. Fitzgerald also announced that Delta and Aeromexico have filed with the U.S. Department of Transportation
191 Post contains links PITrules : I expect Delta to be operating these flights, although it would be so nice to see Aeromexico here. More on this here: http://www.bizjournals.com/pitt
192 tarmacphotos : "Use it or loose it" I wish we could say something as cut and dry for the ACAA execs. How about, "grow service at the airport or lose your jobs." The
193 USPIT10L : If that and the new flights added today are any indication---it looks like F9 is leaving PIT for good, period. Both the PUJ and CUN flights were Appl
194 tooluther : IIRC NAS has pre-clearance but PUJ does not? Did someone mention earlier that DL is no longer towing the Paris flight from C to D for departures? with
195 steeler83 : What is the frequency of PIT-NAS? Was that established? Is that 1x weekly as well? Anyway, it's nice to see PIT-CDG going daily when that resumes in t
196 USPIT10L : 1x weekly with CR7s, the PUJ service is once weekly with A320s. I would guess CUN would be weekly as well. Yeah, don't really see anything changing b
197 PITrules : NAS was pretty much was covered in reply #189. PUJ starts as once weekly but will increase to 2x weekly. I think the frequency of CUN will depend on w
198 jetblue1058 : Yes, they have stopped towing the DL 757-200 to CDG and instead depart out of the C61 the gate it comes into when it arrives from CDG.
199 tooluther : Thanks jetblue. Next logistics question: how are they going to rotate these aircraft in and out? Well said. I think it is important to note that the P
200 steeler83 : I'm hoping that not too many folks switch over to UA. I've flown AA before, and I love that airline. I'd fly them over and over again if I could. Bes
201 jetblue1058 : The C terminal will be busy?? The only airline on the even side of C gates is JetBlue with 4X daily flights and On the other side UA with around half
202 kpitrrat : From what I understand, DL sends CDG out of 61 because of the hour and a half turn time so there is no point in towing the AC over to D.
203 PITrules : I never understood why they did it in the first place. It would seem easier to relocate some employees and ground equipment rather than a Boeing 757.
204 USPIT10L : Depends how much the county is charging them to keep the plane there--don't forget, BA is still paying for C61 as we speak; they're also paying for l
205 Post contains images kpitrrat : Yea it costs more to board from there than from where it used to originate from D concourse. However, due to the new time (so that there are better c
206 Post contains links and images PITrules : I believe this ended in 2012. BA, along with the other signatory airlines signed long term leases lasting 20 years, effective from the opening of the
207 jetblue1058 : Interesting to see KLMs interest in 2008. I wish the airport authority weren't so protective of the CDG Paris flight, Ok PIT it's been a few years now
208 Post contains links LoneStarMike : May 2013 statistics have now been released link Passenger count Jan-May 2013 - 3,138,775 - down 1.8% from the same period in 2012. Cargo is up 2.9% an
209 Post contains links steeler83 : What do yinz guys make of this PG article? http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...-want-to-visit-franklin-pa-697038/
210 N670UW : I understand Mr. Bell in trying to promote his airport, but I think he would be better served promoting the convenience of using FKL and touting all t
211 Post contains links PITrules : "Airport authority sees 2nd ratings upgrade since May" http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...rt-authority-sees-2nd-ratings.html I agree, and if FKL i
212 pliersinsight : A garbage non-story engineered to make people click it. If you count connecting flights, you can go to Paris from ANY airport that has airline servic
213 Post contains links PITrules : Too late to edit, what I mean is that May 2013 is on par with May 2012. "Gordon Food Service plans to hire 300 for new Findlay distribution hub" http
214 steeler83 : So I'm not the only one who thinks so. Given that this is a nonsensical soporific piece of rubbish, I wonder how soon before it hits the National Enq
215 pliersinsight : What amazes me most is why he is not using "X marks the spot" as a tag line for Franklin. (Sarcasm font) For those of you who have never flown there,
216 PITrules : What makes you think he isn't? Just because we don't read about it in the local rag does not mean he is not doing his part to make flights to PIT hap
217 Post contains links and images PITrules : Rare bird heads up: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELX773 I believe a Colorado Rockies charter.
218 flightsimer : Anyone going out to catch the AE E175 today?
219 Post contains links tooluther : Surprised A. at how much local media AA has managed to play up about the E175 launch today and B. how little connection is being made with Republic's
220 jetblue1058 : I would have gone out to see the new AA bird to ORD but I am in London right now and fly home on Tuesday. Oh how I would love to have a nonstop to LHR
221 Post contains images tarmacphotos : I caught it yesterday on its first arrival from ORD on RWY 32 as Brickyard 4808:
222 USPIT10L : Saw one last night as I left work at 1930. Nice pic! I still don't like the new AA scheme though, love the wordmark though!
223 Post contains links PITrules : I agree, surprised at the media response although it is a hefty increase (50%?) in AA's capacity on the route. Here's finally a piece mentioning the
224 bjorn14 : Does any airline fly this?
225 tarmacphotos : Just FL for Apple Vacations as a scheduled charter I believe. It looks like DL will start this when they receive approval.
226 PITrules : Frontier also flies to CUN twice weekly as a scheduled service from August until December.
227 tarmacphotos : What days/times/equipment? I'd love to catch a Frontier bird here.
228 Post contains links PITrules : Outbounds are Sundays and Thursdays; schedules and booking available at www.flyfrontier.com. I assume its the A-320. Good idea to get some Frontier p
229 NWADC9 : If the shadow cast by the wing was actually a metallic blue painted on the belly, I think it'd look even better.
230 Post contains links PITrules : The proposed office development (previously mentioned) across from Dick's Sporting Goods on the former Park 'n Fly lot now looks to include a hotel, a
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