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PIT Update Thread 26  
User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 23887 times:

The previous thread is over 200 replies
PIT Update Thread Part 25 (by iowaman Feb 27 2013 in Civil Aviation)

To start #26, here's a historic diversion down memory lane via some system timetable covers and advertisements featuring Pittsburgh.



http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/JDawgphoto/IMG_0305_zps08ed1aa9.jpg






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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 23904 times:

New air service developments include:

- LBE-DFW on Spirit
- 7th daily PIT-DTW on DL
- 7th daily PIT-ORD on UA
- DL changes to NYC... the A-319 to LGA will change to an MD-80, and the return of a 757 to JFK (to position an aircraft for PIT-CDG)
- daily PIT-SFO next winter on UA
- 6x weekly PIT-LAX next winter on UA
- PIT-BNA on WN
- 4th daily PIT-BOS on B6

PIT-HOU on WN and AA additions discussed last thread.



Related to air service development is economic strength/growth. On that note, here is some good news:

"U-Haul Ranks Pittsburgh as 2012 Top U.S. Growth City"
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...-top-us-growth-city-202676371.html
Perhaps a bit misleading, as this only compares in-migration compared to out-migration. It does not consider births vs. deaths. Pittsburgh has a very high average age, and this has plagued the region's population stats negatively for many years. I think this phenomenon will finally pass in a few years, and the region's true economic vitality will be more clear. In the mean time, it's still great to be ahead of the traditional cities which have made up that list.

And more office development in the airport corridor:
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...per-building-spec-building-in.html

Royal Dutch Shell to enter a joint venture to service midstream natural gas companies related to its proposed cracker in Beaver County.
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...liams-shell-joint-venture-for.html



FLYi
User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 23865 times:

I wonder how long that 4 daily PIT-BOS will last

User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 23696 times:

I had no idea that Yugoslav Airlines once served PIT...

Also, in that United ad, is that the then-under-construction US Steel Building in that ad?

Oh, and the links to bizjournals aren't working...



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 23621 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 3):
I had no idea that Yugoslav Airlines once served PIT...

Scheduled charters only, to DTW, CLE, and PIT.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 3):
Also, in that United ad, is that the then-under-construction US Steel Building in that ad?

Yes



FLYi
User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 23439 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 3):

Oh, and the links to bizjournals aren't working...
Quoting pit (Reply 11):

By the way, none of those links worked for me.

Try these:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...-top-us-growth-city-202676371.html

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...liams-shell-joint-venture-for.html

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...per-building-spec-building-in.html



FLYi
User currently offlineprimetimeDC9 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 23153 times:

As a pilot who jumpseats from PIT and routinely across the country to other airports I can tell you that PIT is NOT an easy place to get in and out of due to a lack of available seats, quite the opposite of what our CLT fan suggests. Additionally, a large portion of seats both in and out of hubs (CLT) are filled with non-rev passengers travelling to-from work, these pilots and flight attendents certainly count for a fair share of seats. I've never seen smack talking between airports by the way, it certainly is a strange tactic to employ.

User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 22901 times:

(Misread what you wrote...) Yeah, your right. I heard the HOU Flight is producing well out of pit. I wouldnt be shocked if it goes to 2x daily soon. And in regards to UA to IAH, Looking at the summer schedule, 6x a day. 2 320's 2 739's and 2 145's. Not too bad if you ask me...

[Edited 2013-04-20 14:37:01]

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 22873 times:

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 18):
I heard the HOU Flight is producing well out of pit. I wouldnt be shocked if it goes to 2x daily soon.

I check the WN website from time to time, and the flight isn't very cheap either; I imagine it will do well.




I wouldn't have believed a word of this 5 years ago. Its amazing the transformation this city is undergoing:
http://www.businessinsider.com/oil-i...ing-migration-to-pittsburgh-2013-4



FLYi
User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 22843 times:

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 18):
2 320's 2 739's and 2 145's. Not too bad if you ask me...

I'd go as far as calling those ERJs as "token" RJs, especially when they're paired up against aircraft like A320s and 739s, which seat 150 to 175 pax...

I wouldn't call LF of roughly 60-80% on PIT-DFW via 3x daily AA MD80s all that bad. That was for the 3 available flights departing today. I believe that AA has four daily flights. AA.com showed 3 n-s flights available, so I assumed there were no more available seats on one of the MD80s. Or are there only 3 flights on Saturday/Sunday but 4 during the week?



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 22597 times:

Vacation/cruise charter?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK554



FLYi
User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 22379 times:

Looks like it will be a few more weeks before we know PeoplExpress's plans
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...ress-plans-to-acquire-airline.html



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 21807 times:

I'm still not holding my breath on the whole PeoplExpress bit. A little while back, it looks like US posted its quarterly profit information, and it mentioned how they were filling their planes. I was curious as to how many of the inbound or outbound flights were full...


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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 21793 times:

Some more nice upgrades coming from Delta include:

- 4th JFK frequency (including on days the 757 runs) while maintaining 6x LGA (including 1 MD-80)
- 7th DTW frequency (previously mentioned); upgauge of one of the flights to MD-80
- MSP will remain at 4x, however will see upgauges to include 2 A319/320 and 2 CR9s
- upgauge of the first ATL flight to a 757



FLYi
User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 21650 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 13):
Some more nice upgrades coming from Delta include:

- 4th JFK frequency (including on days the 757 runs) while maintaining 6x LGA (including 1 MD-80)
- 7th DTW frequency (previously mentioned); upgauge of one of the flights to MD-80
- MSP will remain at 4x, however will see upgauges to include 2 A319/320 and 2 CR9s
- upgauge of the first ATL flight to a 757

Those are all sweet-@ss upgrades! Mainline to Detroit AND Minneapolis? Even the RJ equipment is large 70-some-seat CR9 equipment...

Besides the MD80 to LGA, what is the mix, E70/75 equipment?



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User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 21539 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 14):
Besides the MD80 to LGA, what is the mix, E70/75 equipment?

1x MD-88, 4x CRJ700, 1x E-175


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 hours ago) and read 21478 times:

Quoting N670UW (Reply 15):
1x MD-88, 4x CRJ700, 1x E-175

Decent amount of seats. Isn't that over 500 seats?



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User currently offlinejetblue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 21165 times:

Not bad. What do you guys think could be any new routes on airlines from PIT.


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User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21095 times:

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 17):
Not bad. What do you guys think could be any new routes on airlines from PIT.

I could see WN adding STL. Maybe even B6 to FLL.


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 20965 times:

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 18):
I could see WN adding STL. Maybe even B6 to FLL.

There was speculation that B6 might add a Florida market from PIT. I guess FLL would suit B6 well. Doesn't WN serve PIT-FLL only on a seasonal basis?

Besides possible LHR, could the "new" AA possibly add another city from PIT? I know it's probably a stretch, but SAN or SEA? Is AA strong in either one of those markets?



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User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 20923 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 19):

There was speculation that B6 might add a Florida market from PIT. I guess FLL would suit B6 well. Doesn't WN serve PIT-FLL only on a seasonal basis?

FL does, and its year round service. 2x daily.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 19):
Besides possible LHR, could the "new" AA possibly add another city from PIT? I know it's probably a stretch, but SAN or SEA? Is AA strong in either one of those markets?

As much as i would love to see PIT-SEA or PIT-SAN, i highly doubt US-AA would be a player on these routes. US-AA only serves their hubs from both of those stations. If we see a PIT-SEA, I think it would be on AS or DL. PIT-SAN on AS.

Just my opinion.


User currently offlinejetblue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 20919 times:

With this FLL expansion B6 is having serving FLL now makes sense. WN just recently made FLs 117 seat 717 go up to 2 daily instead of 1 because the route was performing well. If JetBlue really wants to get loyalty from the PIT customers then they should have done MCO or FLL To begin with. It won't back fire on the BOS because almost all the connecting options are different. They should be able to fill around 160-200 seats aday on the E190.


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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 20860 times:

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 21):
It won't back fire on the BOS because almost all the connecting options are different. They should be able to fill around 160-200 seats aday on the E190.

By the looks of that, that would look like 2x daily E90s to FLL. Yeah, I think that would be doable.  

When is DL's 1x weekly MCO flights supposed to start (if it hasn't yet)? I wonder how booking is looking for that if it's bookable. I find it somewhat odd that there is no legacy airline on PIT-MCO other than the 1x weekly seasonal DL service. Then again, it is a rather low-yielding (high touristy, little-to-no business travel) route to begin with. Pretty soon, WN is going to have PIT-MCO all to itself...

Would PIT-MCO work for B6 still, or are they too late?



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User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 20808 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 22):
Would PIT-MCO work for B6 still, or are they too late?

IMO, Doubtful.

Remember the main reason we were fed that B6 PIT-JFK ended was because they could not get good slots for business travelers. From what I understand those flights still seemed to be pretty full so who knows.
PIT-MCO is a market that has FL and WN written all over it. FLL however does seem to make more sense for B6.


User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 20799 times:

I'd expect Houston-Pittsburgh (all airports) to keep booming for a while. I work and consult with several companies that are flying many, many landmen up to Pittsburgh for work down in St Clairsville, Ohio, Wheeling,and Southeasts PA. As with everything oil and gas, first we sent surveyors and geologists, then lawyers and landmen, soon the drillers and roughnecks (very simplified example but I guess I made the point). It is a very big fly-in fly-out industry (at least those I've worked with) thus I'd expect this two metros to get more service over the next few years. Some are even using Columbus and Cleveland as alternatives and shuttling people to the area if PIT flights are full.

[Edited 2013-04-29 21:13:52]


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User currently offlinejetblue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20716 times:

Well then southwest should go 2-4 daily on HOU-PIT.
1 daily can't stay for long.



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User currently offlineFlyingSicilian From Italy, joined Mar 2009, 1375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 20700 times:

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 25):
Well then southwest should go 2-4 daily on HOU-PIT.
1 daily can't stay for long.

I've had people on that flight weekly the last two months and they tell me it is always packed, though I realise that doesn't always mean profit.



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 27, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 20752 times:

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 26):
though I realise that doesn't always mean profit.

Then they could tweak the fares a bit so that they could turn a profit, right? The demand is certainly there if the planes are going out full, so why not?



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 28, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 20649 times:

Chevron's plans for a regional headquarters seem to be evolving into a 60+ acre campus next to the airport boundary

http://triblive.com/business/headlin...chevron-company-moon#axzz2S6zYCiUV



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User currently offlineLouieP2186 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 20640 times:

Quoting primetimeDC9 (Reply 6):
I can tell you that PIT is NOT an easy place to get in and out of due to a lack of available seats

You got that right!

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 25):
Well then southwest should go 2-4 daily on HOU-PIT

I don't expect them to add onto that route until they start flying international out of HOU. PIT-IAH on UA is almost always full.


User currently offlinedumbell2424 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20257 times:

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...es-probe-of-airline-merger-in.html

Quote:
Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., released a letter he had written to Attorney General Eric Holder asking him to look at how the merger would impact airfares and the number of flights at Pittsburgh International Airport. Casey singled out flights to Dallas/Fort Worth and LaGuardia International and JFK International Airport in New York as particularly at risk.
Casey asked Holder to make sure that the merger doesn't have a similar impact as the loss of the US Airways hub in the merger with America West.


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 31, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 20266 times:

Quoting dumbell2424 (Reply 30):

I'm still thinking the AA/US merger will be a good thing for the region. AA is already adding LAX service, and there is speculation they might add LHR at some point.

Besides, US and HP merged AFTER the US hub closed. US announced the eventual closure of the hub in 2003 during their first trip through BK. They then went back into CH11 protection (I forget why), but it was during THAT reorganization plan when they merged with/were bought out by HP. They ultimately shrank to their current state due to an increase in competition from LCCs due to the demise of their hub.

I love how he blamed the PIT hub closure on the merger of HP and US. One had NOTHING to do with the other.



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User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 32, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 20165 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 31):
I'm still thinking the AA/US merger will be a good thing for the region. AA is already adding LAX service, and there is speculation they might add LHR at some point

As much as i would love to see LHR...(And im not doubting anyone) But what are the sources that this route MAY be added??


User currently offlinejetblue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 20159 times:

Well guys. The WN-FL merger is finally affecting PIT. Both RSW and FLL are being transferred to SWA starting November 3rd. Say good bye to Airtran on 2 of the 5 markets from PIT. I assume that PIT-ATL will Goto SWA next schedule update. And then eventually MCO will go all SWA, once the 717s start to leave in goo numbers.


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User currently onlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5550 posts, RR: 7
Reply 34, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 20122 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 31):
They then went back into CH11 protection (I forget why),

Segal failed to wring out enough costs the first time.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 35, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 20125 times:

Quoting dumbell2424 (Reply 30):
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...es-probe-of-airline-merger-in.html

Quote:
Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., released a letter he had written to Attorney General Eric Holder asking him to look at how the merger would impact airfares and the number of flights at Pittsburgh International Airport. Casey singled out flights to Dallas/Fort Worth and LaGuardia International and JFK International Airport in New York as particularly at risk.
Casey asked Holder to make sure that the merger doesn't have a similar impact as the loss of the US Airways hub in the merger with America West.

What a wasted effort on his part. The combined US/AA route structure from PIT has already been optimized and is starting to grow again. Barring a miracle, the SOC will be gone; Sen Casey would better serve the region by putting together some kind of package to maintain the maintenance base.

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 32):
As much as i would love to see LHR...(And im not doubting anyone) But what are the sources that this route MAY be added??

There are no sources, just some educated speculation.



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 36, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 19982 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 35):
There are no sources, just some educated speculation.

Agreed. It is speculation, but it is from rather reputable members of A.net; those who follow and seem to understand the industry and how/why airlines do what they do... I'm pretty much going with it rather than arguing against it. After all, AA did add PIT-LAX, after all the speculation about the potential for PIT-LHR. How could anyone not speculate that now?

I agree that Bob Casey basically wasted his time with that. Like I said and as you said as well. service between the two carriers is growing again. Once fully integrated, they'll have about 61 or 62 daily flights. I call that a fairly decent operation.



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User currently onlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5550 posts, RR: 7
Reply 37, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 19979 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 35):
There are no sources, just some educated speculation.

Pretty sound speculation, seems to me. Post-merger, as a result of efficiencies and A321 deliveries, AA will have some 757's to play with. With US's old FF base and a demonstrated market, PIT would be a reasonable place to play.



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User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1976 posts, RR: 21
Reply 38, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 19957 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 37):

I agree that it's sound speculation, but I wouldn't hold my breath. There definitely is a great business case for the route and other similar routes, but what I think is has and will continue to keep it from happening is the slot issue at LHR. All carriers are clamoring for more LHR slots and are, more often than not, not operating at the capacity and frequency they'd like to from their other hubs. So anytime a new slot pair seems to come into play, they always seem to be quickly snatched up for additional frequencies to ATL, DFW or NYC with no real wiggle room for the long-talked about 757 services to the likes of PIT and BDL. Never say never though I guess.


User currently offlinejetblue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 19926 times:

Do you guys see US Airways starting any new PIT routes in the future? I honestly wander when the last time a US route was added from PIT.


JetBlue E190 seats, 5D and 16A= no better place in the world
User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 40, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 19898 times:

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 39):

Seriously..... Us airways lol just put money in SWA adding more flights


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 41, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 19862 times:

AGC will keep its tower operating overnight in what is a total waste of money IMHO.
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...airport-overnight-shift-saved.html

There was a time 5-10 years ago when having the tower open all night served a purpose, as AGC was a regional sort for the check haulers (AirNet Express and a few others). 7 or 8 planes would converge on AGC at around midnight, but this business is all but gone. IIRC AGC even had its own dedicated weather observer, a job usually done by controllers at smaller airports and now automated. Gov't waste at its finest in Allegheny County.

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 39):
Do you guys see US Airways starting any new PIT routes in the future? I honestly wander when the last time a US route was added from PIT.


I'm not sure what the purpose of separating US Airways from AA serves when discussing new routes going forward. But to answer your question, the last routes US added from PIT were CKB, PKB, MGW, SEA, and SAN in 2007. These were all a resumption of service after a year or so of being unserved.




Pittsburgh is holding its own with regards to Fortune 500 headquarters, registering 9 hqs again this year.
http://triblive.com/news/editorspick...rtune-list-companies#axzz2SaOfP7R2

Having said that, these rankings are superficial IMHO. For example, next year looks like Allegheny Technologies will drop off the list as they are a mature company near the bottom of the list, and HJ Heinz will disappear into the Berkshire Hathaway portfolio even though its global headquarters will remain in Pittsburgh. Then there is Alcoa and BYMellon, both of which maintain their 'operational' headquarters (including corporate flight departments) in Pittsburgh, but top executive suites are in NYC so are not on Pittsburgh's list. Giant Eagle and Highmark would be on the list if they were not private companies. In other words, the list may shrink, but not the local economic impact of these companies.



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User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 42, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 19867 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 40):
Seriously..... Us airways lol just put money in SWA adding more flights

His question wasnt "Should PIT invest money in adding flights on southwest?"

I will be kind though and repeat his question for you...

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 39):
Do you guys see US Airways starting any new PIT routes in the future? I honestly wander when the last time a US route was added from PIT.

They may whenever the merger is complete. However, I see nothing in the forseeable future. I do see them however upgrading some flights back to mainline. I was kind of shocked that LAX was added.

I could be wrong, and if i am, please someone correct me; But if i remember PIT-IAH was the last route US started in 2005 (Granted it was cut in 2004, but they re-added it in 2005).


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 43, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 19823 times:

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 42):
I could be wrong, and if i am, please someone correct me; But if i remember PIT-IAH was the last route US started in 2005 (Granted it was cut in 2004, but they re-added it in 2005).

I thought PITrules answered that with this:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 41):
I'm not sure what the purpose of separating US Airways from AA serves when discussing new routes going forward. But to answer your question, the last routes US added from PIT were CKB, PKB, MGW, SEA, and SAN in 2007. These were all a resumption of service after a year or so of being unserved.

I guess all of that was axed when US went from 110 departures down to 68 or perhaps some time after that. I know they're under 50 at the moment.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 41):
Having said that, these rankings are superficial IMHO. For example, next year looks like Allegheny Technologies will drop off the list as they are a mature company near the bottom of the list, and HJ Heinz will disappear into the Berkshire Hathaway portfolio even though its global headquarters will remain in Pittsburgh. Then there is Alcoa and BYMellon, both of which maintain their 'operational' headquarters (including corporate flight departments) in Pittsburgh, but top executive suites are in NYC so are not on Pittsburgh's list. Giant Eagle and Highmark would be on the list if they were not private companies. In other words, the list may shrink, but not the local economic impact of these companies.

I agree, that list is superficial. I do wonder if there are any possibilities of companies in the Fortune 1000 about to climb into the top 500. I know that's how Dick's Sporting Goods wound up on the list.

It would be nice if Giant Eagle or Highmark would go public, but I doubt either one will...



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User currently offlinedumbell2424 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 44, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 19767 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 31):
Quoting PITrules (Reply 35):
Quoting steeler83 (Reply 36):

Agreed, here's a link to the full text of the letter that I just came across: http://politicalnews.me/?id=23540&keys=DOJ-EVALUATE-MERGER-AIRLINES

I like the point made about the ops center being more of a concern than routes themselves.


User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 45, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 19720 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 43):
Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 42):
I could be wrong, and if i am, please someone correct me; But if i remember PIT-IAH was the last route US started in 2005 (Granted it was cut in 2004, but they re-added it in 2005).

I thought PITrules answered that with this:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 41):
I'm not sure what the purpose of separating US Airways from AA serves when discussing new routes going forward. But to answer your question, the last routes US added from PIT were CKB, PKB, MGW, SEA, and SAN in 2007. These were all a resumption of service after a year or so of being unserved.

Apologies, he did. we must of posted seconds apart as it wasnt there when i was typing. But i was corrected!


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 46, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 19732 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 43):
I do wonder if there are any possibilities of companies in the Fortune 1000 about to climb into the top 500.

American Eagle Outfitters is in the 600 range, I think they have the best shot; and GNC is in the 900 range. Both are locally headquartered and expanding into the global marketplace. American Eagle Outfitters was the driving force behind the number of 747 freighters that operated into PIT from Asia a few years ago.



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 47, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 19612 times:

Quoting dumbell2424 (Reply 44):
I like the point made about the ops center being more of a concern than routes themselves.

I do agree that it is of the biggest concern, but even that didn't make too much sense considering the biggest operations were no longer in PIT anymore. PHX is a hub and the corporate hq; CLT, on the other hand, had (has) the largest hub in the system. Either one of those made more sense than PIT in my honest opinion...

Quoting PITrules (Reply 46):
American Eagle Outfitters is in the 600 range, I think they have the best shot; and GNC is in the 900 range. Both are locally headquartered and expanding into the global marketplace. American Eagle Outfitters was the driving force behind the number of 747 freighters that operated into PIT from Asia a few years ago.

I do recall AEO having the 747s flying in from Asia. Even at 600-something, AEO making the Fortune 500 list might be a long shot. That would likely require a jump of over 100 to 200 ranking positions...



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User currently offlinejetblue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 48, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 19560 times:

AirTran added 2X daily FLL this past winter. Now with SWA taking over I just checked and SWA has it at 1 daily 737-700 143 seats down from 234 on AirTran last winter. So basically there is a decent gap in seats.
Also RSW also goes down from 3X daily 717 (351 seats) down to 143 seats.



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 49, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 19490 times:

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 48):

That would certainly leave a hole in the network for Southern Florida. I guess B6 could add PIT from FLL. Do you suppose AA might up the E45s to at least an E75 or perhaps a CR7 or CR9 if not mainline equipment?

So much demand for Southern FL, yet so little service...



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User currently offlinejetblue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 50, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 19464 times:

@steeler83.
Our best chance would be the E175s down the road to MIA. With the republic maintenance base here and the PIT being an eagle station so mainland is pointless, once the E175s are well established in the AA network they would be smart to upgrade the MIA route. I think most people can agree that FLL on B6 is a smart choice. They are expanding out of FLL quite significantly and the connecting options would be great. Other than that it looks like the spirit link to FLL from LBE is getting weaker( less freq in the week) lots of potential here to that area which is unused.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 51, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 19430 times:

I doubt the WN schedules for next winter are finalized.

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 50):
PIT being an eagle station so mainland is pointless,

AA is in bankruptcy, and they are merging with US. Two reasons why this notion about eagle vs mainline station needs to end; it means nothing.



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User currently offlineLouieP2186 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 19444 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 51):

It does mean something and it doesn't. You add bigger jets and mainline employees have to return unless you find the loophole in the union contract.


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 53, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 19381 times:

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 50):
Quoting PITrules (Reply 51):
Quoting LouieP2186 (Reply 52):

I thought the criteria for Eagle vs mainline is 20-plus daily departures. I saw that posted either earlier in this thread or at some point in the previous one. The merged airline would have more than 60 daily departures and provide service to over a dozen locations.

I do have to say that this merger does seem to bode well for AA and PIT considering the mx base for E70 and E75 equipment. I wouldn't mind seeing a large mix of those coming and going as long as those wretched 50-seaters go away.



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User currently offlinepit From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 19350 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 40):
Seriously..... Us airways lol just put money in SWA adding more flights

and B6  
Quoting PITrules (Reply 41):


Pittsburgh is holding its own with regards to Fortune 500 headquarters, registering 9 hqs again this year.

On a side note regading fortune 500, JetBlue just joined the club at 495!


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 55, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 19287 times:

Quoting LouieP2186 (Reply 52):
It does mean something and it doesn't. You add bigger jets and mainline employees have to return unless you find the loophole in the union contract.

My point being, AA is in bankruptcy so that part of the union agreement can be voided quite easily. We all know airlines have no problem voiding contracts under bankruptcy protection, especially labor contracts.

Even if they were not in bankruptcy, so then they convert PIT to a mainline station. Higher paid employees, but its not the end of the world and certainly not something to stop the airline from evolving and growing. Therefore I highly doubt this station agreement drives AA's network planning decisions at PIT or anywhere else. Even furthermore, it's a moot point when the merger is completed.





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User currently offlinepliersinsight From United States of America, joined May 2008, 498 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 19251 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 41):
There was a time 5-10 years ago when having the tower open all night served a purpose, as AGC was a regional sort for the check haulers (AirNet Express and a few others). 7 or 8 planes would converge on AGC at around midnight, but this business is all but gone. IIRC AGC even had its own dedicated weather observer, a job usually done by controllers at smaller airports and now automated. Gov't waste at its finest in Allegheny County.

There are some rather important folks who keep their aircraft at AGC........I suspect that would explain it.


User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1293 posts, RR: 4
Reply 57, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 19215 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 55):
Even if they were not in bankruptcy, so then they convert PIT to a mainline station. Higher paid employees, but its not the end of the world and certainly not something to stop the airline from evolving and growing.

After the merger they will be a mainline station by default. US is the aquiring carrier and they are already a mainline (and highly paid) station. That whole argument is meaningless post merger.


User currently offlinetooluther From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 306 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19141 times:

Delta's PIT-CDG service resumes today. A/s is coming in this afternoon from JFK as DL1170 before hopping across the pond as DL 631 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL631


CDG-PIT flights resume tomorrow (I have friends who specifically planned their return trip around the flight resuming...to me, that is a good sign that this flight is becoming entrenched!)


User currently offlinejetblue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 59, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 19083 times:

I looked at the loads yesterday and they were 155/168. Not sure if more people have checked in now today. Not bad for the first flight of season, trying to get out to 28R today to catch it.


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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 60, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 19033 times:

Looks like it is now oversold as they are not selling any more tickets.

I'm surprised they don't cycle the 757 through ATL instead of JFK.



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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 61, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 19030 times:

Quoting pit (Reply 54):

B6 isn't going to add flights to PIT. PIT will probably drop back go 3 daily. After studying those loads for a week they didn't look to pretty. B6 will put the aircraft on a route that can make them more money


User currently offlinepit From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 18954 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 61):
B6 isn't going to add flights to PIT. PIT will probably drop back go 3 daily. After studying those loads for a week they didn't look to pretty. B6 will put the aircraft on a route that can make them more money


I was giving a hint, I guess you didnt get that...


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Reply 63, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 18940 times:

Quoting pit (Reply 62):

I get it ......


User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 8
Reply 64, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 18877 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 61):

B6 isn't going to add flights to PIT. PIT will probably drop back go 3 daily. After studying those loads for a week they didn't look to pretty. B6 will put the aircraft on a route that can make them more money

Like CLT-CLT?


User currently offlineflyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1976 posts, RR: 21
Reply 65, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 18874 times:

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 61):
After studying those loads for a week they didn't look to pretty.

I'm curious as to how you have access to B6's load and yield information if you don't work for them.

Quoting N670UW (Reply 64):
Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 61):

B6 isn't going to add flights to PIT. PIT will probably drop back go 3 daily. After studying those loads for a week they didn't look to pretty. B6 will put the aircraft on a route that can make them more money

Like CLT-CLT?

  


User currently offlineLouieP2186 From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 18813 times:

Quoting tooluther (Reply 58):
CDG-PIT flights resume tomorrow (I have friends who specifically planned their return trip around the flight resuming...to me, that is a good sign that this flight is becoming entrenched!)

It's nice to see that return. PIT is such a good airport (my opinion) and I hope another carrier might add another pond jump.


Curious does anyone know the loads out of there to CDG? Could we see DL upgauge the flight to a A330 or a B763?


User currently offlinepit From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 18749 times:

Quoting LouieP2186 (Reply 66):
It's nice to see that return. PIT is such a good airport (my opinion) and I hope another carrier might add another pond jump.


Curious does anyone know the loads out of there to CDG? Could we see DL upgauge the flight to a A330 or a B763?

I tried to catch Delta 3599 PIT-JFK yesterday but after multiple grounds stops and GDP's they finally cancelled the flight. It was a CR2 and completly full (50 PAX). After talking to the gate agent about rebooking options and my concern that the flights will be full tomorrow, she claimed that they rebooked all but a few customers on the CDG flight yesterday and today. So it seems that there are some seats still avilable on the CDG non stop and im guessing that those customers are now connectin gthrough CDG onto AF metal? I know that since they moved the departure time, its allows for more connections through CDG...

On a side note, PIT-CDG was delayed about three hours yesterday after the aircraft was struck by lighting on the way out of JFK.


User currently offlinejetblue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 68, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 18667 times:

I was wandering why the aircraft was delayed. I went out to 28R and then after it got delayed to 8(later 9) I left.


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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 69, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 18257 times:

Natural gas drilling at PIT won't happen until 2016:
http://www.timesonline.com/news/ener...8-c351-53ca-893f-3e663717ba3b.html



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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 589 posts, RR: 1
Reply 70, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 18255 times:

Talking in general about Europe from PIT, hasn't the consensus always been in past threads that a German city would be the best option even over today's Paris flights due to the large German population and businesses within Pittsburgh. I personally have always thought along these lines as well and either have thought a new route would start or the Paris flight would have changed to a German flight.

What has changed that would cause you guys to think LHR could now be a remote possibility in the Relatively near future?



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 71, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 18244 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 70):
Talking in general about Europe from PIT, hasn't the consensus always been in past threads that a German city would be the best option even over today's Paris flights due to the large German population and businesses within Pittsburgh. I personally have always thought along these lines as well and either have thought a new route would start or the Paris flight would have changed to a German flight.

What has changed that would cause you guys to think LHR could now be a remote possibility in the Relatively near future?

Pittsburgh's German business connections are centered in DUS and CGN. While the US Airways PIT-FRA flight was quite successful with the hub, O&D from PIT to FRA is actually down considerably now, while DUS and CGN are up significantly.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/interactives/aviation

I would guess this is because the folks going to CGN and DUS used to fly nonstop to FRA then take the ICE train, artificially inflating demand to FRA. Now with a nonstop to Paris it is an easy connection to DUS and CGN. Would a new nonstop to FRA (in addition to CDG) draw these passengers back? I dunno, but it is something to consider. If PIT-FRA was to replace CDG, FRA is too far east to offer good connections to much of Europe such as London, Dublin, Manchester, Madrid, etc. Therefore I favor CDG and LHR as European destinations over FRA.

The simple fact that US Airways will now be a OW member with ATI with BA makes PIT-LHR that much more feasible due to PIT's US ff base. Many of PIT's travelers to Europe still change planes in PHL and CLT on US instead of taking Delta to CDG.

Delta's PIT-CDG commands a $400 fare premium over their PHL-CDG service and seems to have better loads as well. I noticed this last year too. Yet it is PIT-CDG which is 5x weekly while PHL-CDG is daily. Delta has a monopoly on nonstop PIT-Europe and they seem to be taking advantage of that by keeping flights low and fares up. I'm not so concerned about Pittsburgh's ability to sustain nonstop service to Europe and think more and more that some competition in the form of an AA 757 to LHR would be great.



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 383 posts, RR: 2
Reply 72, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 18120 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 71):
Delta's PIT-CDG commands a $400 fare premium over their PHL-CDG service

Why is that?


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 73, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18055 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 72):
Why is that?

I can only speculate that it is because DL has a monopoly on nonstop service to Europe from PIT, unlike in PHL. Also loads seem to be a bit better from PIT. By limiting supply (flights) they can keep fares at a premium.



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User currently offlinedabpit From United States of America, joined May 2012, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (1 year 6 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 17890 times:
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PIT needs some flights to the Latin America and the Caribbean since it is a growing market and seems to have the demand.


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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 75, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 17765 times:

Quoting dabpit (Reply 74):
PIT needs some flights to the Latin America and the Caribbean since it is a growing market and seems to have the demand.

Like PIT-AUA to name one? I know that's actually an airport high up on Reina Beatrix Airport's "wish list."

Who would you see that would be the most likely to add n/s service to the Caribbean from PIT? I'm not sure if it would necessarily be AA. I think they might upgrade PIT-MIA (and time it) to not only better serve local O&D but also to accommodate whatever connecting traffic there might be to Latin American and/or the Caribbean...

[Edited 2013-05-20 13:03:26]


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User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 76, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 17680 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 75):

Quoting dabpit (Reply 74):
PIT needs some flights to the Latin America and the Caribbean since it is a growing market and seems to have the demand.

Like PIT-AUA to name one? I know that's actually an airport high up on Reina Beatrix Airport's "wish list."

Who would you see that would be the most likely to add n/s service to the Caribbean from PIT? I'm not sure if it would necessarily be AA. I think they might upgrade PIT-MIA (and time it) to not only better serve local O&D but also to accommodate whatever connecting traffic there might be to Latin American and/or the Caribbean...

My opinion would be FL. And im surprised that they dont make PIT-CUN or PIT-PUJ scheduled service out of there.


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 77, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 17734 times:

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 76):
My opinion would be FL. And im surprised that they dont make PIT-CUN or PIT-PUJ scheduled service out of there.

Considering they're about to be absorbed into WN, I'm thinking the likelihood of this would be quite low, especially when you consider their commitment to PIT as of late...



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User currently offlinedabpit From United States of America, joined May 2012, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17608 times:
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Quoting steeler83 (Reply 77):
Considering they're about to be absorbed into WN, I'm thinking the likelihood of this would be quite low, especially when you consider their commitment to PIT as of late...

I agree.

I think the more likely option like stated before is better timed AA service with a larger aircraft. There is also the possibility for B6 to put connecting passengers through MCO or FLL.

In terms of direct service Delta would probably fly to Cancun (they already fly to multiple non hub cities from Cancun) using either a 737-700 or an A319.



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 79, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17509 times:

Quoting dabpit (Reply 78):
In terms of direct service Delta would probably fly to Cancun (they already fly to multiple non hub cities from Cancun) using either a 737-700 or an A319.

   Does DL seem to be gaining any strength in PIT? I'd like to think that they are, but they won't be quite as strong as the new AA will be when they merge with US...



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User currently offlinedabpit From United States of America, joined May 2012, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 17481 times:
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Quoting steeler83 (Reply 79):
Does DL seem to be gaining any strength in PIT? I'd like to think that they are, but they won't be quite as strong as the new AA will be when they merge with US...

I fly DL all the time in and out of PIT and most of the flights are full or close to full. New York airports and ATL are the top to areas for connecting passengers out of PIT. DL also uses a lot of mainline airplanes out of PIT more now than they use to.

The new AA will be strong out of PIT but they will primarily have regional airplanes at the airport unless they change that to build PIT up a bit more.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 81, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 17438 times:

"Airport authority bond rating rises"

"Moody's gave the authority's Airport Revenue Bonds an A3, up from Baa1 in its latest report. Among the positives were "strong management that balanced the demands of protecting financial margins while attracting new air service," the economic boost from drilling contracts on airport land and what Moody's termed "an increasingly varied origination and destination market."

It's still weighed down by operating costs and a pension system.
"
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...t-authority-bond-rating-rises.html


"New office development planned for Findlay"

"A local partnership is buying a 30-acre parcel of land near the Pittsburgh International Airport on which it plans to develop a 335,000-square-foot office park called Findlay Crossing."
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...ffice-development-planned-for.html

[Edited 2013-05-21 14:09:19]


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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 82, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 17315 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 71):
Pittsburgh's German business connections are centered in DUS and CGN. While the US Airways PIT-FRA flight was quite successful with the hub, O&D from PIT to FRA is actually down considerably now, while DUS and CGN are up significantly.

I agree, I check people (mostly German citizens) to DUS all the time, always through EWR or ORD to DUS on LH. I've heard multiple sources say PITLHR might be a possibility on AA, once the merger settles down. The big question regarding PIT specifically is whether ACAA or a private company(ies) can get subsidies for another transatlantic flight. US/AA will have a large client base here, but the question remains how will US/AA keep/grow that FF base.



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User currently offlinedabpit From United States of America, joined May 2012, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (1 year 6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 17227 times:
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Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 82):
US/AA will have a large client base here, but the question remains how will US/AA keep/grow that FF base.

Maybe with a much needed lounge update and lower fares.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 84, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 17152 times:

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 82):
The big question regarding PIT specifically is whether ACAA or a private company(ies) can get subsidies for another transatlantic flight.

I don't think a revenue guarantee is a requirement to land LHR service. However, if AA were to insist I don't think getting the same program in place for them would be a huge hurdle for the Allegheny Conference considering how successful the first one was (for CDG). Remember, the second year of the two year program used no public funds at all, and that was in the middle of a global recession.




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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 85, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 17149 times:

Quoting dabpit (Reply 83):
Maybe with a much needed lounge update and lower fares.

A lounge update, possibly.
More mainline equipment with more first class options and better IFE options could also work. (I still say that the current AA contract becomes null and void due to their presence growing to over 60 daily departures as well as one being run by different management).
Lower fares, I'm not so sure we'll see that. DL's CDG flight appears to be filling up and those fares are at a premium. Even though it's run only 5x weekly, I'm sure DL is bringing in the green on that flight...

It would be sweet if AA builds it up enough to warrant a reopening of the B concourse that has since been walled off. One can only hope, right? Still, I see a small focus-city-esque 60-70 flight operation out of PIT...



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User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 17069 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 85):
It would be sweet if AA builds it up enough to warrant a reopening of the B concourse that has since been walled off.

Speaking of walled off concourses, I noticed that the old Quaker Steak reopened in A, I believe it was last week. Swung by and I'd say the place looks as if it has been open the whole time, looks great. However, I believe I saw only 4 patrons in there and I believe one of them was an employee (not theirs) on break. Obviously this was in the afternoon and during a down time for WN so I could be wrong.

Question is why reopen? Considering its location, do the higher beings feel that WN is going to increase passenger flow through A moving the FL operation over? What happened to the rumors of the grand concourse realignment?

I'm not saying that each concourse is its own entity but its obvious that the further from the core you get the less numbers you see. People may not want to walk from C or even B or D to get to the end of A for a meal.

Is this a sign that there may be an expansion at A? I guess I am just really confused because I am used to seeing places close instead of open there.


User currently offlinetooluther From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 306 posts, RR: 1
Reply 87, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 17055 times:

IIRC United will also consolidate ops in A (they were apparently pressing to reopen the end gates, but I guess the decided they could fit in the space available). Event without them, I was very surprised by how many people were milling around A from my flights to/from MDW and sticking around to meet a friend coming in on the HOU flight. Quaker Steak was equally packed at the time as well.

User currently offlinejetblue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 88, posted (1 year 6 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 17026 times:

What is the "great gate" assignment changes? What airlines would be involved and to which gates/areas would they move. I could see the D united ops (ex continental) move to A or the even gate side of C facing the united gates. Maybe JetBlue could move to D?


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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 89, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 16934 times:

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 88):
What is the "great gate" assignment changes? What airlines would be involved and to which gates/areas would they move. I could see the D united ops (ex continental) move to A or the even gate side of C facing the united gates. Maybe JetBlue could move to D?

Well, I heard that A will have the WN and the UA gates, B will be all US (AA once the merger goes through), that will likely leave C wide open, other than I guess B6 and AC and the DL CDG flight. DL will likely take D to itself.

So wait a minute... UA wanted the A gates reopened?



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 90, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16858 times:

More detail regarding the "Findlay Crossing" office plan next to the airport announced yesterday:
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...s-much-development-promise-688698/

More detail on the KC-46A base selections:
http://www.timesonline.com/news/loca...7-9c38-5d11-bb47-5c31b435cbaa.html



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 91, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16823 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 90):
More detail regarding the "Findlay Crossing" office plan next to the airport announced yesterday:
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...8698/

I know you don't like development on airport property (is this even on ACAA land?), but I think this would be good for the Airport corridor. I also see a need for more office space especially considering the future Shell cracker.

Hey, whatever happened to the proposal for the cargo facilities? Weren't they supposed to build two warehouses/foreign trade facilities there? It looks like they only prepped the land and nothing more. I guess demand is no longer/was never there to begin with...

Quoting PITrules (Reply 90):
More detail on the KC-46A base selections:
http://www.timesonline.com/news/loca....html

This would be very nice for the region...



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 92, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 16811 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 91):
I know you don't like development on airport property (is this even on ACAA land?), but I think this would be good for the Airport corridor.

It's not airport land and I agree this is great kind of development.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 91):

Hey, whatever happened to the proposal for the cargo facilities? Weren't they supposed to build two warehouses/foreign trade facilities there? It looks like they only prepped the land and nothing more. I guess demand is no longer/was never there to begin with...

As far as I know the developer stated they would not build anything based on speculation. This was a couple years ago and nothing has happened since. I just checked the developer's website (TrammellCrow) and the project has been taken down. However, they had a handful of air cargo projects across the nation, and they have all been removed from the website. Who knows what's going to happen.



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User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 93, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 16792 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 89):
Well, I heard that A will have the WN and the UA gates, B will be all US (AA once the merger goes through), that will likely leave C wide open, other than I guess B6 and AC and the DL CDG flight. DL will likely take D to itself.

So wait a minute... UA wanted the A gates reopened?

I heard that as well. Recently i was talking with some employees at PIT and they said the ACAA wants a contract saying that the closed off gates will be used for at least originators and terminators, and also they want full on media presence there when/if they reopen. I heard WN/UA was skeptical for the useage of those gates because of future schedules, and unsure what they would be.


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 94, posted (1 year 6 months 2 days ago) and read 16696 times:

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 93):
I heard that as well. Recently i was talking with some employees at PIT and they said the ACAA wants a contract saying that the closed off gates will be used for at least originators and terminators, and also they want full on media presence there when/if they reopen. I heard WN/UA was skeptical for the useage of those gates because of future schedules, and unsure what they would be.

Unless the two airlines want to operate 75 flights each, I don't see why their current schedules would warrant reopening the gates. Believe me, it would be sweet to see both A and B busy again!



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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 589 posts, RR: 1
Reply 95, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16601 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 90):

Could you post us some information on the tanker article for those of us who are not members of the site?



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User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4898 posts, RR: 9
Reply 96, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16527 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 95):
Could you post us some information on the tanker article for those of us who are not members of the site?
http://moon.patch.com/articles/171st...on-short-list-for-tankers-9abc607d



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 97, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16497 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 95):

Could you post us some information on the tanker article for those of us who are not members of the site?

Sorry about that, the entire article was available when I first posted the link.

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 96):

Thx



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User currently offlineflyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2025 posts, RR: 13
Reply 98, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 16438 times:

Does anyone else think PIT could handle a second FBO? The last few times I've flown into Atlantic, it's been packed. I know their hangars are packed too as I haven't been able to get an overnight hangar...

User currently offlineboeingkid From United States of America, joined May 2009, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (1 year 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 16384 times:

I think that PIT could handle a second FBO there is plenty of room on the field, but AGC takes alot of their GA traffic

User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 383 posts, RR: 2
Reply 100, posted (1 year 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 16346 times:

There may be plenty of room for another FBO, but I doubt there is the traffic to support two FBOs. Perhaps Atlantic could use more hangar space though.

User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 101, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15959 times:

"Spirit to begin flying from Palmer airport to Dallas-Fort Worth"
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...rport-to-dallas-fort-worth-689692/



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 383 posts, RR: 2
Reply 102, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 15904 times:

I just had to laugh at the last sentence:

"Here is the schedule at the airport on days when all four flights are flying:
• 10:44 a.m., flight from Fort Lauderdale arrives; 11:30 a.m., flight for Fort Lauderdale departs.
• 11:55 a.m., flight from Dallas arrives; 12:30 p.m., flight for Dallas departs.
• 2:25 p.m., flight from Myrtle Beach arrives; 3:10 p.m., flight for Myrtle Beach departs.
• 5:30 p.m., flight from Orlando arrives; 6:20 p.m., flight for Orlando departs.
"It's extremely busy," Mr. . Monzo said, but added there is plenty of room to accommodate the increase in passengers."

Does anyone think the FAA will put a ground delay program in effect at LBE since it is extremely busy there?  


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 103, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 15882 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 102):

It actually looks like a pretty steady schedule throughout the day, which is good for the businesses in the airport.

4 A-320's in one day ... not too shabby for an airport like LBE. And still PIT's loss.



"Pittsburgh Becomes Expat Hot Spot"
"Pittsburgh, a former steel powerhouse, has emerged as a hot bed for operations related to the oil and gas boom in western Pennsylvania and eastern Ohio. AIRINC, a provider of cost of living data, put Pittsburgh on its "cities to watch" list in a recent report detailing the top locations requested from the company."
http://money.cnn.com/2013/05/30/news/economy/expat-hotspots/

[Edited 2013-05-30 15:11:09]


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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 104, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 15727 times:

"Travelers frustrated by lack of direct flights at Pittsburgh International Airport"

Nothing we don't already know. The video has more context than the text.
http://www.wtae.com/news/local/alleg...08/20349244/-/10096hg/-/index.html


Also the past article about Spirit at LBE has been updated to include Spirit is averaging 85+% load factors, and adds $50 million to the local economy.
http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...rport-to-dallas-fort-worth-689692/


The piece about increased Expat interest in Pittsburgh has been picked up and expanded upon by MSN, which is a bit better and more in depth article including names of companies interested, etc.

"Why Pittsburgh is becoming a boomtown

Proximity to new oil and natural gas sites is drawing interest from abroad and fueling the city's economic and population growth
"
http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?p...ee3c73-9f97-4746-bc13-2158826d8a7e

This is nothing but good news regarding efforts to help restore some of PIT's lost air service.



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 105, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 15635 times:

I'm sure all of that would only help to bolster local traffic flying in and out of PIT.

There is also an article in the Pittsburgh Business Times about Greensburg trying to capitalize on its educational and medical institutions for economic growth and development. If that is successful, it would likely spur local traffic out of LBE...

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...s-and-eds.html



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User currently offlinejetblue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 106, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 15562 times:

The thing I found sad about that video is the traveler to LAX clearly represents a typical PIT traveler, they are loyal to US Airways, because that was the practically only airline here 10 years ago, so they don't look to fly and support cheaper airlines, the LCCs, that if were supported from the locals, would build up routes from here , but them supporting an airline that has screwed PIT over and will Most likely never grow out of PIT again is just limiting the growth for other airlines to come in with direct routes.


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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1293 posts, RR: 4
Reply 107, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 15551 times:

It will be interesting to see how the market reacts when the US name finally disappears for good. Should be a boon to Amtrack, Greyhound and Megabus as I'm certain there will be more than a few yokels who will think that when that name disappears we wont have airline service any longer.   

User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 108, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 15572 times:

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 106):
but them supporting an airline that has screwed PIT over and will Most likely never grow out of PIT again is just limiting the growth for other airlines to come in with direct routes.

That airline that has screwed PIT is about to merge with another large airline. There is still ongoing discussion that the new AA/US might maintain PIT as a 60-70 flight operation...

AA just added LAX service. I know they're growing out of LAX, but isn't it interesting that they added PIT to their network? DL also bolstered LAX as well as SEA. They have yet to serve SEA or LAX-PIT last time I checked...



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User currently offlinejetblue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 109, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 15487 times:

@steeler83 I wouldn't call Deltas 30 flights a day out of SEA a big enough operation to consider PIT, we could MAYBE see an Alaska airlines 1X SEA with an AA code share, overal I don't think we will maintain 60 flights Aday maybe around 50 post merger.


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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 383 posts, RR: 2
Reply 110, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15485 times:

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 106):
they don't look to fly and support cheaper airlines, the LCCs, that if were supported from the locals, would build up routes from here , but them supporting an airline that has screwed PIT over and will Most likely never grow out of PIT again is just limiting the growth for other airlines to come in with direct routes.

Did US screw PIT or did our politicians screw US by increasing fees and taxes which made it unprofitable to operate here? How can you blame a company who answers to their shareholders for doing what it has to to turn a profit? Since US pulled out of PIT, they have done pretty well compared to most airlines in this country. Should they have stayed here losing money until they went out of business so some yinzers could fly to non stop destinations that the population here couldn't support without the connecting traffic from the hub? There is plenty of blame to go around here. Also, everywhere I usually fly now, US fares have been the same price or less expensive than the "cheaper airlines" you mention. During the hub days their fares were ridiculous, but those days are long past. On US, I even get to pick a seat when I book, or upgrade to first class if I choose. I don't get the constant US bashing on here? After this merger, I can't see how their product won't improve as well as their destinations and frequencies out of PIT. Are you one of those people who still complain about the steel mills closing too?  


User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1293 posts, RR: 4
Reply 111, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15458 times:

Allegheny County politicians are generally worthless unless you happen to be in their pockets but the politicians had nothing to do with this. They offered US relief in bankruptcy but US turned it down (they had already decided to reject the leases in bankruptcy but weren't about to risk publicizing it). It was a simple business decision. What made this so scandalous was that US misled the county throughout the process. Allegheny County expended enormous political and economic capital on behalf of US for decades. The fact that US re-payed those investments by lying and misleading was what made it so ugly. This is a gross simplification of a very long and convoluted story but that in a nutshell is it.

User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 112, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15456 times:

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 109):
I wouldn't call Deltas 30 flights a day out of SEA a big enough operation to consider PIT

I thought they were bigger than that up in SEA. I know their operation out of LAX is bigger than that tho.

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 109):
overal I don't think we will maintain 60 flights Aday maybe around 50 post merger.

US operates 47 daily departures, while AA operates 14 departures with almost zero overlap if any. If US operated PIT-ORD, JFK, DFW, and MIA several times a day, then yes I could probably see them shaving quite a few flights to barely maintain 50 or so departures. Last time I checked, US abandoned all of the above...

Anyway, put the two together and the new AA/US will have 61 daily departures; 62 if you count PIT-LAX which starts in August.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 113, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15400 times:

Quoting Flaps (Reply 111):
They offered US relief in bankruptcy but US turned it down (they had already decided to reject the leases in bankruptcy but weren't about to risk publicizing it). It was a simple business decision. What made this so scandalous was that US misled the county throughout the process.

While the leases were rejected in bankruptcy, the effective date of that rejection wasn't until 8-9 months later. It was during that time period the airline hoped to renew those leases contingent on the County finding a way to lower the operating costs at PIT, which did not happen.

"In an 11th-hour filing before emerging from bankruptcy last week, US Airways rejected its leases at Pittsburgh International and gave county and airport authority officials until January to renegotiate the leases at lower fees than the airline is paying now."
http://old.post-gazette.com/localnews/20030408airport0408p4.asp

I agree however that the way US Airways handled the matter while in bankruptcy was ugly. They either knew they were going to reject the leases all along, or internally they were so unsure if they should keep the hub that they didn't make a decision until it was forced upon them by the ending of their bankruptcy. There are only a handful of people in the entire world who know the true story. I don't think we'll ever know.

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 110):

   US Airways is not a charity. PIT was (and continues to be) too expensive to operate at, in addition to no longer having a need to be in their route structure with the rise of CLT and PHL.



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 383 posts, RR: 2
Reply 114, posted (1 year 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 15341 times:

Quoting Flaps (Reply 111):
the politicians had nothing to do with this.

Nothing? Really? The politicians have made PIT very business unfriendly.


User currently offlinepit From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 15028 times:

Delta is increasing LGA-PIT frequency again. The war is on between US AIrways and Delta.

DL LGA-PIT SEP 5>7 OCT 5>7 NOV 5>7 JAN 6>7 FEB 6>7


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 116, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14886 times:

Pit's post is not showing...

filler



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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1293 posts, RR: 4
Reply 117, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14847 times:

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 114):
Nothing? Really? The politicians have made PIT very business unfriendly.

I was referring to what was done during the bankruptcy and the events leading up to the hub abandonment. I was not referring to events since then.

As to being un-competitive what would you propose? The billion dollar debt the airport carries has to be paid back whether you like it or not. That will happen by 2018 at which point the airports costs will be extremely competitive. Have the politicians done a good job of managing the airport itself? Of course not. They are nothing but democratic party hacks. I could do a better job but then I have 25 years of experience in the field.

As far as managing that debt though I don't think they had much choice. That was a county debt and the county budget has a whole lot more things in it that need addressed than just the airport. They had to keep their bond ratings up lest they wreck the finances of the whole county. Not popular from an aviation enthusiasts perspective but aviation is but one many concerns that must be balanced against each other in the county budget.

The airport has a great potential future once that debt is paid. How they manage that potential is another story. Hopefully Fitzgerald will be gone by then. If not, then yes they will likely squander that potential.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 118, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 14821 times:

In light of the news of Delta dropping Memphis as a hub, I checked Delta.com and looks like they will be maintaining PIT-MEM service, although only 1x daily.

I'm sure Memphis being the global headquarters of FDX and Pittsburgh being the headquarters of FedEx Ground has something to do with maintaining some sort of service between the two cities.



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 119, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 14250 times:

Looks like Virgin Atlantic will put in at least a couple appearances in late September:

http://www.steelers.com/tickets-and-stadium/International_Series.html

I believe there are usually separate fan charters as well, so this could mean 4 movements in under a weeks time, most likely with 747s. Virgin Atlantic has a contract with the NFL for the London game.



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 383 posts, RR: 2
Reply 120, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 14192 times:

The only flying B-29 along with a C-45, P-51 and Stearman will be at AGC Wed-Sun this week:

http://www.airpowersquadron.org/#!pittsburgh-pa/cg97


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 121, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13950 times:

"Dick’s Sporting Goods expanding corporate presence at Pittsburgh International"

http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...ting-goods-expanding-hq-again.html

http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/4...4/dick-airport-jenny#axzz2W1t3W57G

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...xpand-findlay-headquarters-691353/

This will be a whopping 63% increase in the footprint of their existing campus on the airport and with the new building their office space will increase to almost 1 million sq ft.

The P-G article states it will be east of their existing facility, so at 73 acres it looks like the PIT International Logistics centre will be toast before it even got off the ground.




"Passengers down, flights up at Pittsburgh International Airport"
http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/4...4/april-airport-2012#axzz2W1t3W57G

I assume the continued decrease in passengers are a result of JetBlue pulling the NYC flights and the resulting huge fare increases on the route which only suppress the market.



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User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 122, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 13835 times:

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 65):

I have a few friends who work at jetblue...


User currently offlinepliersinsight From United States of America, joined May 2008, 498 posts, RR: 0
Reply 123, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13750 times:

Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 86):

Is this a sign that there may be an expansion at A? I guess I am just really confused because I am used to seeing places close instead of open there.
Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 86):
Question is why reopen?
Quoting kpitrrat (Reply 86):
Question is why reopen? Considering its location, do the higher beings feel that WN is going to increase passenger flow through A moving the FL operation over? What happened to the rumors of the grand concourse realignment?

I'm not saying that each concourse is its own entity but its obvious that the further from the core you get the less numbers you see. People may not want to walk from C or even B or D to get to the end of A for a meal.

Is this a sign that there may be an expansion at A? I guess I am just really confused because I am used to seeing places close instead of open there.

Something is coming. A retail concept that needs to get started in the states from abroad. The rent is cheap at PIT......good place to try it out and see if it works as well here as it does abroad. Keep your eyes open.....


User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 124, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13758 times:

Quoting pliersinsight (Reply 123):
Something is coming. A retail concept that needs to get started in the states from abroad. The rent is cheap at PIT......good place to try it out and see if it works as well here as it does abroad. Keep your eyes open.....

I heard a rumor today that the airport authority and TSA came to an agreement to move BOTH the main checkpoint and the alternate security checkpoint over to the airside concourse. Each concourse would have its own TSA security checkpoint right at the beginning of it.

If this is the truth, this would be awesome for the airport. It would re-open up the airmall to all people, not just the traveling public.

Can anybody confirm this? (And if this is old news, im sorry.)


User currently offlinejetblue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 125, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13718 times:

If they moved the TSA checkpoint that wod be awful. I always go from concourse to concourse to Goto different airline gates. If they did move the checkpoint they better do what it is like at KCLT, designated checkpoints per concourse yet u are still free to go concourse to concourse without going out of security.


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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 126, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 13669 times:

Quoting pliersinsight (Reply 123):
The rent is cheap at PIT.....

I doubt that.

Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 124):
I heard a rumor today that the airport authority and TSA came to an agreement to move BOTH the main checkpoint and the alternate security checkpoint over to the airside concourse. Each concourse would have its own TSA security checkpoint right at the beginning of it.

If this is the truth, this would be awesome for the airport. It would re-open up the airmall to all people, not just the traveling public.

Pre-911, I think the number of people quoted as coming to the airport for nothing other than shopping was greatly exaggerated. Who goes to an airport just to shop when there is a full sized mall and related strip malls/restaurants just 5 miles away with free parking (Robinson Town Center)? As nice as the Airmall was for an American airport, it's not Zurich or Singapore where locals do indeed make a trip out to the airport just for that reason.

Having said that, for the people that do indeed go to the airport for the right purpose (to get on airplanes and travel), the current main and alternate security checkpoints are both a disaster. The first is totally over crowded and under designed for today's requirements, while the latter is a last minute temporary effort to alleviate the former.

In light of the current effort to rebuild the Airmall in the core, the above rumors make sense. Alleviate the TSA issues by making 4 separate checkpoints at the concourses. But wouldn't it be great if there was a sterile passageway between the A and B concourses considering the current Airmall shops on that side of the core are being taken out anyway; just in case an airline comes along in the future with the intent of needing operations on two concourses? Makes sense to me.

[Edited 2013-06-13 00:24:20]


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User currently offlinepliersinsight From United States of America, joined May 2008, 498 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 13632 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 126):
Quoting pliersinsight (Reply 123):
The rent is cheap at PIT.....

I doubt that.

We shall see. I expect to have more specific information shortly.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 128, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13537 times:

Quoting pliersinsight (Reply 127):

We shall see. I expect to have more specific information shortly.

I'm not doubting your rumor; just the bit about PIT having cheap rent. I have no evidence, but I'd be shocked if retail space at PIT is not more expensive than at a nearby mall. I imagine retail space leases at PIT have been jacked up over the past 10 years just like all the other fees.

Quoting tarmacphotos (Reply 120):
The only flying B-29 along with a C-45, P-51 and Stearman will be at AGC Wed-Sun this week:

Pics:
http://www.wtae.com/news/local/alleg...08/20543386/-/k5oil4z/-/index.html



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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1293 posts, RR: 4
Reply 129, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13510 times:

TSA checkpoints at each concourse would be a nightmare. At peak periods now they stretch to the door in the main terminal and I've frequently seen the alternate checkpoint backed halfway to the curb as well. Move them to the airside core and and you wont be able to get off the people mover let alone into the airside core. There isnt enough room there for four checkpoints.

User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 130, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13482 times:

After reading all these posts, I would have to agree that moving the TSA checkpoints to the Airside core would be a disaster for reasons already stated. Why don't they acquire adjacent space on either side of the existing main checkpoint while completely reconstruct the second one so that it doesn't look as half-assed as it does now?

If there is a coorect way to look at how to do a TSA checkpoint, look at the recent projects at PHL, especially between B and C and down between D and E. If you want a TSA checkpoint that was a whopper nightmare, it was PHL pre-reconstruction!   



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 131, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 13478 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 130):
Why don't they acquire adjacent space on either side of the existing main checkpoint

The existing main checkpoint is suspended on a bridge over the lower level commercial curb. I suppose it would be possible to widen that bridge, but that is an expensive fix better suited as a long term solution well after the aorport's debt is paid off.

I don't think having 4 separate checkpoints would be such a disaster. They could be located well down the concourse, even in place if the first gate. This would mean sacrificing up to 8 total gates, but it's not like PIT has a shortage of gates. At least concerns about backups into the core would be eliminated.

The only downside I see is if a flight is delayed, passengers would need to go back through security if they want to go to the Airmall.



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User currently offlinepliersinsight From United States of America, joined May 2008, 498 posts, RR: 0
Reply 132, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 13413 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 128):
Quoting pliersinsight (Reply 127):

We shall see. I expect to have more specific information shortly.

I'm not doubting your rumor; just the bit about PIT having cheap rent. I have no evidence, but I'd be shocked if retail space at PIT is not more expensive than at a nearby mall. I imagine retail space leases at PIT have been jacked up over the past 10 years just like all the other fees.

I wasn't saying it is cheap compared to another mall, but cheap compared other malls / retail space in airports....the key here is that this is an airport retail operation, allegedly high end*. This is not a retail operation that goes in malls, but in airports.

*high end is in the eye of the beholder. To some high end is a watch that costs $700, to others, a watch that the sales tax is $700 might be high end. Although Pennsylvania doesn't levy sales tax on certain items....eh?


User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1293 posts, RR: 4
Reply 133, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 13223 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 131):
The only downside I see is if a flight is delayed, passengers would need to go back through security if they want to go to the Airmall.

Another good point. IMHO moving those checkpoints would be the crowning achievement of the ACAA in the stupidity category. While the current setup is far from ideal it is a whole lot better than airside. Would Larry Fitzgerald, the clown prince of airport ignorance be involved with this? Sure looks like his fingerprints.


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 134, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13162 times:

Quoting Flaps (Reply 133):
Another good point. IMHO moving those checkpoints would be the crowning achievement of the ACAA in the stupidity category. While the current setup is far from ideal it is a whole lot better than airside. Would Larry Fitzgerald, the clown prince of airport ignorance be involved with this? Sure looks like his fingerprints.

PITrules, I do have to say you make some valid points, but I do have to agree with Flaps. While completely overhauling the current setup at Landside would be one expensive-as-all-hell project, I think it would be the most sensible. How expensive would it or could it be? As I said before, they completely revamped the TSA checkpoints at PHL within the last few years. I think it could be done...



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 135, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13148 times:

Regarding the combined US/AA adding flights, that may not be happening according to Fitzy:

"“What they’re telling us is on the merger Pittsburgh won’t be affected negatively when it comes to flights nor will gain flights, so it’ll be kind of a neutral when it comes to flights,” Fitzgerald said.
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/...apid-transit-system-to-pittsburgh/

I don't think it will be that cut and dry considering they already will increase flights slightly (more service to ORD and the new flight to LAX). Therefore I still could see room for a LHR flight in the future.



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User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1293 posts, RR: 4
Reply 136, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13138 times:

On an unrelated note, in observing FlightAware over the past several months I have been noticing what appear to be numerous extra sections on the Commutair flights between PIT and CLE. At first I just figured that it was one of the common FlightAware glitches but now Im not so sure. I've been noticing flights that appear to be 5-15 minutes apart and tracking separately. They are usually numbered in a manner such as UCA845 and UCA4845 and so forth. Does anyone know if these are actual extra sections or just a glitch in the way FlightAware is dispalying?

User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 137, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13116 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 135):
Regarding the combined US/AA adding flights, that may not be happening according to Fitzy:

"“What they’re telling us is on the merger Pittsburgh won’t be affected negatively when it comes to flights nor will gain flights, so it’ll be kind of a neutral when it comes to flights,” Fitzgerald said.
http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2013/...apid-transit-system-to-pittsburgh/

I don't think it will be that cut and dry considering they already will increase flights slightly (more service to ORD and the new flight to LAX). Therefore I still could see room for a LHR flight in the future.

I actually like Fitzgerald. I like what he is doing for things pertaining to the county outside of PIT. When it does come to PIT, I do have to say I think he has his head up his ass. Could that statement be any more asinine?

I, too, would like to see AA expand a little at PIT, and as you said, I think they are.  



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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 589 posts, RR: 1
Reply 138, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 13100 times:

Quoting Flaps (Reply 136):

An instructor where I work/fly at recently left to go to commutair. He was based at CLE, but still lived in PIT. I had asked him about the flights between PIT and CLE and the way he talked, there is only one flight each direction per day.



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 139, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13082 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 138):
An instructor where I work/fly at recently left to go to commutair. He was based at CLE, but still lived in PIT. I had asked him about the flights between PIT and CLE and the way he talked, there is only one flight each direction per day.

What is the O&D like between PIT and CLE? For two cities that have so much in common, why so apparently small travel demand? There's this evidence, then there's the dozen or so people who travel via the Capitol Limited or via the likes of Greyhound or Megabus. What could happen that could possibly generate travel demand between these two cities?



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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 140, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 13024 times:

Quoting Flaps (Reply 136):
Does anyone know if these are actual extra sections or just a glitch in the way FlightAware is dispalying?

Just a glitch in FlightAware probably. 4845 is the new flight number for the 7:15p departure, and 4809 is the afternoon departure.

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 138):
I had asked him about the flights between PIT and CLE and the way he talked, there is only one flight each direction per day.

There's two or three during the week, two daily on Saturday.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 139):
What is the O&D like between PIT and CLE?

Maybe two or three a week, it's all connections. If someone is flying PITCLE only, it's just because they have to be in CLE for something. No one buys RT tickets on that route, it's too close.



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User currently offlinejetblue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 141, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12991 times:

Isn't PIT-CLE 3X most days?


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User currently offlinedabpit From United States of America, joined May 2012, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 12944 times:
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Quoting kkephart13 (Reply 124):
I heard a rumor today that the airport authority and TSA came to an agreement to move BOTH the main checkpoint and the alternate security checkpoint over to the airside concourse. Each concourse would have its own TSA security checkpoint right at the beginning of it.

That would be a disaster. It would be nice if they re-designed the security check point maybe use concourse E? They should look at the London Gatwick security check point.



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User currently offlinekpitrrat From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 12844 times:

That could also be the Frontier flight that DGS handled. I think it went CLE-PIT-CUN? CUN?-PIT-CLE

User currently offlinepliersinsight From United States of America, joined May 2008, 498 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 12784 times:

More detail:

End of August slated opening
Six or so stores
Higher end European based, clothing, shoes ect.
Central core area
Point of entry for the European conglomerate owner entering the US airport market

Specific enough of a rumor?


User currently offlineUSFlyer26 From United States of America, joined Jun 2013, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 12669 times:

Hi Guys -

Long time lurker, first time poster.

I just wanted to confirm pliersinsight's "rumor". I was talking with one of the US Club agents the other night, and she was saying that they are indeed bringing in a number of high end stores like Coach. Also, I'm interviewing for a Director role with the Italian retailer for their foray into the US market.


User currently offlinejetblue1058 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 146, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12626 times:

Any chance that PIT-DCA will go back to some mainline flights on the merged AA?


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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 147, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12535 times:

Quoting USFlyer26 (Reply 145):
I just wanted to confirm pliersinsight's "rumor". I was talking with one of the US Club agents the other night, and she was saying that they are indeed bringing in a number of high end stores like Coach. Also, I'm interviewing for a Director role with the Italian retailer for their foray into the US market.

Welcome to the forum, and good to know!

Quoting jetblue1058 (Reply 146):
ny chance that PIT-DCA will go back to some mainline flights on the merged AA?

That would be nice. The more mainline that actually does come to PIT after the merger, the better. If anything, it would be nice to see a mix of E70/75/90 equipment on here if nothing else...



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 148, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12505 times:

"Pittsburgh International Airport will house the largest Tuskegee Airmen exhibit of any airport, organizers said on Sunday"
http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/4...men-tuskegee-airport#axzz2WQyx4ahC


Here's a nice article and video about the happenings at Washington Co Airport. Looks like a runway extension, business park related with taxiway access, and dedicated exit off I-70 are in the works.
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...-things-happening-at.html?page=all



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User currently offlinekkephart13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 149, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12451 times:

Quoting dabpit (Reply 142):
That would be a disaster. It would be nice if they re-designed the security check point maybe use concourse E? They should look at the London Gatwick security check point.

Heres how i look at it. I think it would be a good thing. My reasons why:
1) I know there are very few, but it would make clearing customs much easier. The customs facility is pre 9-11. Where the passengers got to claim their bags in customs, go get cleared, then re-check them to claim them at baggage claim because they are still in the sterile area. If TSA is moved to the concourses, when they clear customs, they are free to go and then dont have to reclaim their bags
2) I know its been mentioned, but i feel it would help shorten the lines for security. Instead of having all the airlines in 2 checkpoints ( 1 most of the day ), you only have the respective carriers passengers going thru that concourse's security. Sure there can be some inconveinces, but it would be so far and few.
3) Non traveling public can get to the airmall. The Airmall was much busier (Granted US was still hub) but if the checkpoints move to the concourses, you will have more non-traveling public walk over to the airmall to join the person(s) thats traveling.

Quoting USFlyer26 (Reply 145):

Hi Guys -

Long time lurker, first time poster.

I just wanted to confirm pliersinsight's "rumor". I was talking with one of the US Club agents the other night, and she was saying that they are indeed bringing in a number of high end stores like Coach. Also, I'm interviewing for a Director role with the Italian retailer for their foray into the US market.

Welcome, and best of luck with that position!!! Although i dont like high end stores much, it will be nice to see stores like that back in the airport.


User currently offlinepliersinsight From United States of America, joined May 2008, 498 posts, RR: 0
Reply 150, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 12288 times:

If this was an episode of Mythbusters, I'd get the plausible plaque and a booya for dragging a lurker into participating.

Although I am sure I will NEVER convince anyone on this thread that PIT is not under served. LOL. The only thing under served in IMHO is Whisky in First on US regional carrier flights....!


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 151, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 12264 times:

Quoting pliersinsight (Reply 150):

Although I am sure I will NEVER convince anyone on this thread that PIT is not under served. LOL

Because.. it is. This was thoroughly proven in PIT update #24 with facts and figures.
PIT Update Thread #24
Replies #229-240


Edit - and since then we have seen WN announce BNA, AA announce LAX, UA increasing LAX next winter, DL increasing LGA, and AA announce increasing ORD.

[Edited 2013-06-17 13:44:41]


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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9259 posts, RR: 21
Reply 152, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 12350 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 148):

This should make Pittsburgh aviation interesting. PIT and LBE being commercial airports with this one serving primarily private/corporate aircraft...

I see that the runway is rougly 5k feet in length. I wonder how much they plan on extending it by. About the potential interchange with I-70, I wonder what that would mean for the overall air space. The orientation of the air field has most of the hangars away from I-70. I'm just curious. It looks like they'll need a whole new access road and everything essentially looping around one side of the runway...



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User currently offlineUSFlyer26 From United States of America, joined Jun 2013, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 12192 times:

Quoting pliersinsight (Reply 150):
If this was an episode of Mythbusters, I'd get the plausible plaque and a booya for dragging a lurker into participating.

Haha.

Also, here's an article about PIT's partnership with Airest Collezioni:

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...ternational-airport-195090741.html

I do hope they bring back the Godiva store somewhere...that was an excellent place to get Christmas gifts for the Club agents, or quick birthday presents on the run. Either way, it should be interesting to see the final product, and to see if these higher end stores do well at PIT.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 154, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 12162 times:

Some really cool pics from the inside of the B-29 that recently visited:
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...s-inside-the-last-flying-b-29.html

...and video:
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...iting-pittsburgh-this-weekend.html


"Murphy bill would help 911th Airlift Wing
A part of a bill passed by the U.S. House of Representatives on Friday will help the 911th Airlift Wing stave off future attempts to close it."
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...bill-would-help-911th-airlift.html



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User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 155, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11836 times:

"Paris Air Show a big deal for Pittsburgh manufacturers"
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...-show-a-big-deal-for.html?page=all



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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 589 posts, RR: 1
Reply 156, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11829 times:

Quoting PITrules (Reply 154):

Love how the last picture it say about showing age due to leaking oil... That's completely normal. If its not leaking oil, then you know you have real problems lol.



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User currently offlinepit From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 157, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11686 times:

As for the gate moves, this is information that the ACAA put out in January, it may have changed since, It looks like allot of changes but no reopening of the A or B gates are in the plan.

Leased Gates:
A1, 3, 5 ,7 - WN
A2, 4, 6, 8, 10 - UA
B26, 28, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - US
C52 - B6
D76, 78, 80, 81, 82, 84 - DL
D86, 87, 88, 89 -AA

The rest of the gates will be used for RON a/c. It looks like WN will be using gates in A, B, C, and D, and DL will be using gates in C, and D. The AA, US merger is still long away and there combined ops in PIT is 2-3 years away.


User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1293 posts, RR: 4
Reply 158, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11675 times:

I would imagine that when the US/AA consolidation comes they would simply co-locate in B using the existing leased gates. They are not heavily utilized as is and should comfortably accommodate the combined operation. This would also allow DL to continue to fill out D. Another thought for the next round would be to abandon D altogether and move DL over to C.

User currently offlinepit From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 159, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11609 times:

Quoting Flaps (Reply 158):
Another thought for the next round would be to abandon D altogether and move DL over to C.

Theres not enough gates in C as the county wont lease C58 beyond as they are the only international gates at the airport.

In my opion it would be costly to move all of DL ops as the county would most likely foor the bill.


User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 6
Reply 160, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11539 times:

"Latrobe gains as Pittsburgh traffic declines"
http://www.bizjournals.com/pittsburg...e-gains-as-pittsburgh-traffic.html



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User currently offlinetarmacphotos From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 383 posts, RR: 2
Reply 161, posted (1 year 5 months 3 days ago) and read 11495 times:

"And Latrobe offers nonstop service to two other cities that are big among western Pennsylvanians but that no longer have nonstop service from Pittsburgh — Fort Lauderdale and Myrtle Beach."

I'm pretty sure FL serves FLL non-stop several times a day. A quick search on Flightaware shows TRS1303, TRS716, and TRS461 non stops on the inbound side to PIT from FLL. I guess LBE is the new media darling for the propagandists.

[Edited 2013-06-22 09:02:53]

User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1293 posts, RR: 4
Reply 162, posted (1 year 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago)