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Israel Approves EU Open-skies Deal  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24803 posts, RR: 46
Posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4611 times:

Despite opposition from Israeli airline and labor unions, on Sunday Israel ratified the open-skies agreement it had reached with the European Union last year.

Under the agreement, EU carriers will see the lifting of route and frequency restrictions which often led to carriers using their largest models to Israel. Likewise, Israeli carriers will gain new broader access to European markets.

Its hoped the new agreement that will go into effect with the IATA Summer 2014 schedule period commencing April 2014, will help boost inbound tourism along with lowering of airfares.

Story:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2013...pe-open-skies-deal-despite-strike/

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User currently offlineawacsooner From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1882 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4604 times:

Still no Saturday flights, right?

User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2959 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4564 times:
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Quoting awacsooner (Reply 1):

Still no Saturday flights, right?

There are plenty of Friday and Saturday flights into and out of Tel Aviv just not by El-Al


User currently offlineKL577 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2006, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4539 times:

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 1):
Still no Saturday flights, right?

That, I believe, only applies (or applied ?) to LY operations. AFAIK all other airlines have been operating into Israel on Saturdays for a long time.


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1869 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

Good for Israel and its travellers. Bad for El Al.
Any Open Skies type deal has my full support. It opens up choices for us, travellers, and rids of artificial barriers.



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User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

I imagine there will be a considerable expansion of EZY flights to TLV - I remember us discussing this topic here a couple of years ago and concluding that EZY would expand when their limitation to UK-TLV only was removed.
I wonder if HFA will get more (some) service - there's probably an opportunity for HFA to be positioned as a small scale LCC airport.

I tend to agree that it is:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 4):
Bad for El Al.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24803 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4395 times:

Foreign carriers are free to operate to Israel on shabbat.

The passengers might find things a bit eerily quiet as things like public transport are mostly not available, and many stores and some restaurants close as well, especially the further you get outside cosmopolitan central Tel Aviv.

Imo - a nice way to appreciate some peach and quiet in a busy world.



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User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2074 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4316 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 4):
Good for Israel and its travellers. Bad for El Al.

Yep.
I would like to see LY in CGN again. But there are already flights by AB, 4U and X3 to TLV.

More flights from all over Europe into Israel by foreign airlines will follow.

[Edited 2013-04-21 09:37:50]


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26844 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4297 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 4):
Bad for El Al.

Indeed hence they are on strike . Wont really solve anything though.


User currently onlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

I can see Ryanair launching some EU-Israel services, as long as the airport charges are ok.

User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4242 times:

I just saw that both Haifa and Eliat airports are not international, at least that's what Wikipedia says. Could we see them become international now when there will be more flights in and out of Israel?

Haifa is only an hours away from Tel Aviv, it could be used as a lowcost airport.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19188 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4186 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 10):
it could be used as a lowcost airport.

Not with a 4,324-foot runway. Of course, a lot of infrastructure would need to be developed.

I think it'd be TLV for a long time, and I remember FR's deputy CEO saying “Israel has phenomenal potential"*. This isn't unsurprising given the large VFR potential, which by its nature is ordinarily price-sensitive, and holiday potential - easily stimulated by price - in certain locations. I recall Ovda (VDA) being used by charters in the past, so perhaps this will be explored by LCCs.

* From http://atwonline.com/operations/ryanair-looks-east-expansion



[Edited 2013-04-21 10:03:07]


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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2959 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4117 times:
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Quoting clydenairways (Reply 9):
I can see Ryanair launching some EU-Israel services, as long as the airport charges are ok.

Given the Ryanair utilisation requirements expect places in Poland Budapest and perhaps Marseilles .
I would not expect the UK or Eire as they just to long segment lengths for Ryanair.

However easyJet will almost certainly add capacity

Wizzair are also likely to enter the market from Eastern European points

Quoting JU068 (Reply 10):
I just saw that both Haifa and Eliat airports are not international, at least that's what Wikipedia says. Could we see them become international now when there will be more flights in and out of Israel?

Haifa is only an hours away from Tel Aviv, it could be used as a lowcost airport.

Don't think Haifa meets the requirements for international operations and the runway limitations at Eliat are well known.
Hopefully some return of charters (reduced in recent years in favour of Taba cross the border) to Ovda may happen in summer 2014


User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4015 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 12):
Wizzair are also likely to enter the market from Eastern European points

Didn't they already announce the launch of Budapest-Tel Aviv flights?


I wonder if Ryanair might launch flights from Paphos. The market is not that small and the flight would be only 30 minutes.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24796 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Its hoped the new agreement that will go into effect with the IATA Summer 2014 schedule period commencing April 2014

Isn't it being phased in gradually over several years? That was mentioned in a few news items.


User currently offlinesuper63DL From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

Are North American flights affected with LY?

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24796 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

Quoting super63DL (Reply 15):
Are North American flights affected with LY?

LY and TLV airport websites are showing all LY flights departing TLV cancelled Monday.


User currently onlineSCQ83 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 834 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 10):
I just saw that both Haifa and Eliat airports are not international, at least that's what Wikipedia says. Could we see them become international now when there will be more flights in and out of Israel?

Haifa is only an hours away from Tel Aviv, it could be used as a lowcost airport.

There are plenty of charters from Western Europe to Ovda, which is not far from Eilat.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 12):
Given the Ryanair utilisation requirements expect places in Poland Budapest and perhaps Marseilles .
I would not expect the UK or Eire as they just to long segment lengths for Ryanair.

However easyJet will almost certainly add capacity

I remember reading not long ago that FR wanted to start up to 40 routes from TLV.

http://www.haaretz.com/business/budg...n-entering-israeli-market-1.452902

I can see Ryanair flying from Israel to the UK... they do some flights from TFS or LPA to Scotland and Denmark that are roughly the same distance. In addition to their large bases (STN, CRL, GRO, CIA, BGY, NRN...), Ryanair is basically the only one that can find a niche serving secondary markets with no regular competition (KRK, BLQ, PSA, VLC...).

I am sure Easyjet is likely have (if any) a more conservative expansion, focusing in major markets (outside UK/Swizertland already served): CDG, FCO, MXP or SXF.


User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 14):

In Cypriot media they mentioned 2017.

Quoting SCQ83 (Reply 17):
There are plenty of charters from Western Europe to Ovda, which is not far from Eilat.

Yes but I was wondering about an airport that might serve Tel Aviv.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24803 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

Its starts in April 2014 and runs through 2017.

Basically each year most European destination will be allowed to have 7 additional weekly flights by each sides carriers. A small number of central European airports however were excluded and only see increases of 3 weekly flights added each year by each side.

Also under the agreement, it provide exemption from the antitrust law and eliminate some notification requirement of Israeli carriers to engage in code-sharing agreements via Europe to other open skies nations.



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User currently offlinemihairosioru From Romania, joined Sep 2009, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

Wizz is already flying Budapest - TelAviv and will also open as of June 15 Bucharest - Tel Aviv three times per week.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 12):
Wizzair are also likely to enter the market from Eastern European points


User currently offlinesuper63DL From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1445 times:

Strike is over, Whew.   

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