RJA321 From Jordan, joined Mar 2009, 67 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 17619 times:
A friend of mine posted this video on Facebook and I didn't believe the title until I actually watched the video! I don't even know where to begin... Do people really still try and smoke during a flight? What are the consequences? Will the smoke emitted from the cigarette pose any immediate threat to the aircraft/passengers?
Here is the link to the video, and please let's try and avoid making this a discussion about stereotypes/different cultures etc. that might offend people.
JU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2643 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 17562 times:
Quoting RJA321 (Thread starter): Will the smoke emitted from the cigarette pose any immediate threat to the aircraft/passengers?
Erm... of course not.
I remember some time ago I was flying on Cyprus Airways from Larnaca to Paris and two Lebanese guys in front of us started smoking. The crew came around and asked them politely to turn it off. They refused so the first officer came and told them that if they kept on smoking they would have to divert and that there would be consequences. They ended up turning off their cigarettes.
In this part of the world, potential diversion and arrest for refusing to follow flight crew instructions, among other things.
Not sure about other parts of the world.
That said, it's not really a safety of flight issue. People used to smoke on planes all the time. Only difference is now there aren't any ash trays - it's not like planes are suddenly unable to cope with a little cigarette smoke. It's more that it's rude, unhealthy for everyone else, and against regulations. It's also against regulations to refuse to put the cigarette out when a flight crew member tells you to.
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tonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17137 times:
Smoking onboard an aircraft is not dangerous. Infact it was only in the mid-ninetys that airlines began to phase out smoking cabins, not for safety reasons but simply due to changing trends and customer preference (and I'm sure the cost element of changing air filters helped sweeten the deal too). What is dangerous is having a sneaky one in the toilet and then trying to hide the evidence by placing the butt in the bins.....those things are full of tissues!
As for prosecution, I think this varies from airline to airline. At my carrier it requires an incident report to be completed. If it happens once in the cabin it can be excused as the offender may simply not be aware (increasingly likely these days) and a gracious extinguishing is generally prompt, this situation I would barely bat an eyelid over!
However if someone does take a sneaky one in the toilet the crew do generally discover it quickly and we easily can find out who it is because all we need to do is smell the one muppet who smells of cigarettes! Anyone who does this in my opinion is instantly guilty and will be warned, an incident form completed and the company's assets protection department informed ASAP so that they may decide whether to prosecute or not.
If the individual is a repeat offender on a single flight then I see no option but arrest on arrival. I doubt any pilot would be bothered diverting unless the imminent danger of passengers and crew is a possibility!
I know in Qatar where I used to work smoking would result In the cancelation of the return journey and that seemed to be all, nothing to lose if you have no return journey booked! Lol
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Would you rather have someone that is dumb enough to light a cigarette in a lav put it out in an ashtray or in a trash can filled with paper towels? If they were dumb enough to break the law by lighting up, they'll be dumb enough to set the trash can on fire LOL
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jagflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3533 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17124 times:
Two questions: is it possible this is an electronic cigaratte? It doesn't look like the thing in her hand is putting off smoke when she is not pulling on it. Second, what aircraft is this? The interior looks like it's an older model plane but MEA doesn't fly any planes that would fit that description.
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B727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 16243 times:
Ash trays are required equipment in case someone *does* light up then there is an "approved" place to extinguish the cigarette or other item being smoked. I'm amazed at how many passengers assume an a/c is "old" b/c "there are still ash trays on here!"
In the US if a person complies with the directive to cease smoking then there are generally no futher consequences. We will ask the smoker to tell us where the butt is (if they're smoking in the lav) so we can confirm extinction.
That said I haven't had a smoker fire up in 11 years or so...ironically enough a firefighter!
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Never seen an A330 with a self help overwing emergency exit
I said A330 because when it pans up to the overhead service panel (air vents, reading lights etc.) they appear to be angled upward as on the A330, not horizontal over the window seats as on the A320/321, but might be distortion in the video.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25372 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 16017 times:
Quoting dumbell2424 (Reply 12): I'm pretty sure MEA's 330s are 2-4-2 configuration. The video clearly shows 3 people against the window
Where is the 3rd person? I see the man in the window seat, then the woman smoking, and then the aisle. The flight attendant talking to the woman is beyond the other man watching the video screen in the foreground.so she must be in the aisle.
allrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2085 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15528 times:
On my last flight (Jetstar) some moron was caught smoking after we left the gate at Narita. We had to return to the gate (actually the adjacent one) and offload the passenger and their luggage. Considering that we were already delayed due to a systems crash and risked missing connections I could have incinerated the offending passenger with something stronger than a cigarette.
Rabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13871 times:
On a recent transatlantic flight on an US carrier I witnessed an incident where a German passenger lit up twice (and did other nasty things) and received several warnings, one in written form. The crew de-escalated the situation in an admirable way, which resulted in a relatively calm behavior of the violator during the rest of the flight. She was then escorted away by police after de-boarding.
theDave From Japan, joined Jan 2013, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13856 times:
I have never understood how people cannot go a few hours without smoking. My wife, a smoker that truly enjoys her habit, has never had a problem with not doing it during flight, even when we fly home to ATL from NRT. With the increasing prevalence of e-cigs you might think they could allow the nic fiends an outlet.
Trijetsonly From Germany, joined Jul 2009, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13212 times:
Smoking in lavatories is quite common in these times. On nearly every long haul flight at some point when I enter the lav I will smell cigarette smoke.
Once I had a conversation about that with a smoker and he told me, that he always takes one breath through the cigarette, shuts it off and relights it one minute later. Then the smoke detector won't recognize it.
For me personally I don't care as long as I don't have to smell it on my seat and as long as there are no burning marks left anywhere.
Cubana still allows smoking in-flight.
I've also flown Aeroflot where people were smoking a lot despite the no smoking light that stayed on throughout the flight.
My Aeroflot flight was on an IL-96 with Russian vacationers returning from Thailand. I'm sure this isn't on their flights to Western Europe and to the US on their Western fleet of aircraft.
Are the non-flashy Middle-East carriers liberal with smoking?
I'm sure Saha 707s and Iran Air might allow smoking.
qqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2283 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11116 times:
Quoting theDave (Reply 18): With the increasing prevalence of e-cigs you might think they could allow the nic fiends an outlet.
Electronic cigarettes are prohibited, mainly due to the heating element (such things are not allowed).
Quoting B727FA (Reply 10): In the US if a person complies with the directive to cease smoking then there are generally no futher consequences. We will ask the smoker to tell us where the butt is (if they're smoking in the lav) so we can confirm extinction.
That is true if they're smoking at their seat, or in plain view. If they light up in the lav, it's an automatic violation as the FAA sees it as a willful violation (since the pax is purposefully being sneaky about it). We are to report the offense via company established procedures, who will then forward the information to the FAA. It's up to the FAA whether or not they want to fine/prosecute the pax for it.
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moriarty From Sweden, joined Jan 2006, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 10933 times:
I was once (a couple of years ago) sitting in the row in front of a guy that tried to smoke on the toilet. Cannot remember the airline (ARN->LPA however), but I do remember this:
The guy was big, noisy and drunk and the flight attendant were quite small and looked like flight attendants do mostly: nice and polite. However, the scolding she performed was beyond impressive - I thought she was going to open up a door and throw the guy out at cruising altitude. He (the guy) shrunk half a meter at least, and I remember I promised myself never to get into an argument with a flight attendant, no matter how nice and/or timid they might look.
On a side note: He had numerous chances to behave before that, I even heard them offering him a nicotine patch. He still couldn't resist. I guess the failed attempt to smoke just was the final nail in the coffin.
Well, they informed him he was not welcome to fly with them again (this was a charter and we were heading towards the destination, not back home...). Think they mentioned fines as well.
Still, on the return leg, he was on the flight. Sober. And quiet like a mouse...