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User currently offlineRJA321 From Jordan, joined Mar 2009, 67 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 17588 times:

A friend of mine posted this video on Facebook and I didn't believe the title until I actually watched the video! I don't even know where to begin... Do people really still try and smoke during a flight? What are the consequences? Will the smoke emitted from the cigarette pose any immediate threat to the aircraft/passengers?

Here is the link to the video, and please let's try and avoid making this a discussion about stereotypes/different cultures etc. that might offend people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tberuhYdy9E&feature=youtu.be

(the conversation taking place in Arabic is the FA firmly asking the passenger to immediately stop smoking, and the passenger refuses to do so).

[Edited 2013-04-21 13:19:30]


Hurry up, before we all come to our senses!
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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2609 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 17531 times:
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Quoting RJA321 (Thread starter):
Will the smoke emitted from the cigarette pose any immediate threat to the aircraft/passengers?

Erm... of course not.


I remember some time ago I was flying on Cyprus Airways from Larnaca to Paris and two Lebanese guys in front of us started smoking. The crew came around and asked them politely to turn it off. They refused so the first officer came and told them that if they kept on smoking they would have to divert and that there would be consequences. They ended up turning off their cigarettes.


User currently offlinespacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3624 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 17493 times:

Quoting RJA321 (Thread starter):
What are the consequences?

In this part of the world, potential diversion and arrest for refusing to follow flight crew instructions, among other things.

Not sure about other parts of the world.

That said, it's not really a safety of flight issue. People used to smoke on planes all the time. Only difference is now there aren't any ash trays - it's not like planes are suddenly unable to cope with a little cigarette smoke. It's more that it's rude, unhealthy for everyone else, and against regulations. It's also against regulations to refuse to put the cigarette out when a flight crew member tells you to.



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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2882 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17166 times:

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 2):
Only difference is now there aren't any ash trays

Actually, there are still ashtrays on aircraft, they are required to be in the lavs.



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User currently offlines5daw From Slovenia, joined May 2011, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17134 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 3):
Actually, there are still ashtrays on aircraft, they are required to be in the lavs.

Along with the smoke detectors?? Why!?


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1427 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17106 times:

Smoking onboard an aircraft is not dangerous. Infact it was only in the mid-ninetys that airlines began to phase out smoking cabins, not for safety reasons but simply due to changing trends and customer preference (and I'm sure the cost element of changing air filters helped sweeten the deal too). What is dangerous is having a sneaky one in the toilet and then trying to hide the evidence by placing the butt in the bins.....those things are full of tissues!

As for prosecution, I think this varies from airline to airline. At my carrier it requires an incident report to be completed. If it happens once in the cabin it can be excused as the offender may simply not be aware (increasingly likely these days) and a gracious extinguishing is generally prompt, this situation I would barely bat an eyelid over!

However if someone does take a sneaky one in the toilet the crew do generally discover it quickly and we easily can find out who it is because all we need to do is smell the one muppet who smells of cigarettes! Anyone who does this in my opinion is instantly guilty and will be warned, an incident form completed and the company's assets protection department informed ASAP so that they may decide whether to prosecute or not.

If the individual is a repeat offender on a single flight then I see no option but arrest on arrival. I doubt any pilot would be bothered diverting unless the imminent danger of passengers and crew is a possibility!

I know in Qatar where I used to work smoking would result In the cancelation of the return journey and that seemed to be all, nothing to lose if you have no return journey booked! Lol



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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2882 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17093 times:

Quoting s5daw (Reply 4):
Along with the smoke detectors?? Why!?

Some good info in previous threads on this subject:

Ashtrays In The Lavatories (by Raptor1090 Jun 24 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Would you rather have someone that is dumb enough to light a cigarette in a lav put it out in an ashtray or in a trash can filled with paper towels? If they were dumb enough to break the law by lighting up, they'll be dumb enough to set the trash can on fire LOL



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User currently offlinejagflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3513 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 17093 times:

Two questions: is it possible this is an electronic cigaratte? It doesn't look like the thing in her hand is putting off smoke when she is not pulling on it. Second, what aircraft is this? The interior looks like it's an older model plane but MEA doesn't fly any planes that would fit that description.


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16588 times:

Quoting jagflyer (Reply 7):
Second, what aircraft is this?

I think it's an A330.


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1427 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16262 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):

Never seen an A330 with a self help overwing emergency exit!!!!  



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User currently offlineB727FA From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 758 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16212 times:

Ash trays are required equipment in case someone *does* light up then there is an "approved" place to extinguish the cigarette or other item being smoked. I'm amazed at how many passengers assume an a/c is "old" b/c "there are still ash trays on here!"

In the US if a person complies with the directive to cease smoking then there are generally no futher consequences. We will ask the smoker to tell us where the butt is (if they're smoking in the lav) so we can confirm extinction.

That said I haven't had a smoker fire up in 11 years or so...ironically enough a firefighter!



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16171 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 9):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):

Never seen an A330 with a self help overwing emergency exit

I said A330 because when it pans up to the overhead service panel (air vents, reading lights etc.) they appear to be angled upward as on the A330, not horizontal over the window seats as on the A320/321, but might be distortion in the video.


User currently offlinedumbell2424 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 918 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16127 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
I think it's an A330.

I'm pretty sure MEA's 330s are 2-4-2 configuration. The video clearly shows 3 people against the window


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15986 times:

Quoting dumbell2424 (Reply 12):
I'm pretty sure MEA's 330s are 2-4-2 configuration. The video clearly shows 3 people against the window



Where is the 3rd person? I see the man in the window seat, then the woman smoking, and then the aisle. The flight attendant talking to the woman is beyond the other man watching the video screen in the foreground.so she must be in the aisle.


User currently offlinedumbell2424 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 918 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 15829 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):
Where is the 3rd person?

Perhaps it's the camera depth distortion, but to me the guy with the laptop, it looks like you can see f/a step back into aisle at 0:26


User currently offlinesq_ek_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 15742 times:

Do you know what happened to the passenger and/or flight? Seems like the cabin crew went to get the Purser or one of the pilots after she failed to listen to her instructions.


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User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 15497 times:

On my last flight (Jetstar) some moron was caught smoking after we left the gate at Narita. We had to return to the gate (actually the adjacent one) and offload the passenger and their luggage. Considering that we were already delayed due to a systems crash and risked missing connections I could have incinerated the offending passenger with something stronger than a cigarette.


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User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13840 times:

On a recent transatlantic flight on an US carrier I witnessed an incident where a German passenger lit up twice (and did other nasty things) and received several warnings, one in written form. The crew de-escalated the situation in an admirable way, which resulted in a relatively calm behavior of the violator during the rest of the flight. She was then escorted away by police after de-boarding.

User currently offlinetheDave From Japan, joined Jan 2013, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13825 times:

I have never understood how people cannot go a few hours without smoking. My wife, a smoker that truly enjoys her habit, has never had a problem with not doing it during flight, even when we fly home to ATL from NRT. With the increasing prevalence of e-cigs you might think they could allow the nic fiends an outlet.

User currently offlineTrijetsonly From Germany, joined Jul 2009, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13181 times:

Smoking in lavatories is quite common in these times. On nearly every long haul flight at some point when I enter the lav I will smell cigarette smoke.
Once I had a conversation about that with a smoker and he told me, that he always takes one breath through the cigarette, shuts it off and relights it one minute later. Then the smoke detector won't recognize it.

For me personally I don't care as long as I don't have to smell it on my seat and as long as there are no burning marks left anywhere.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 12787 times:

Quoting RJA321 (Thread starter):
Do people really still try and smoke during a flight?

Cubana still allows smoking in-flight.
I've also flown Aeroflot where people were smoking a lot despite the no smoking light that stayed on throughout the flight.
My Aeroflot flight was on an IL-96 with Russian vacationers returning from Thailand. I'm sure this isn't on their flights to Western Europe and to the US on their Western fleet of aircraft.

Are the non-flashy Middle-East carriers liberal with smoking?
I'm sure Saha 707s and Iran Air might allow smoking.



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User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2276 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11085 times:

Quoting theDave (Reply 18):
With the increasing prevalence of e-cigs you might think they could allow the nic fiends an outlet.

Electronic cigarettes are prohibited, mainly due to the heating element (such things are not allowed).

Quoting B727FA (Reply 10):
In the US if a person complies with the directive to cease smoking then there are generally no futher consequences. We will ask the smoker to tell us where the butt is (if they're smoking in the lav) so we can confirm extinction.

That is true if they're smoking at their seat, or in plain view. If they light up in the lav, it's an automatic violation as the FAA sees it as a willful violation (since the pax is purposefully being sneaky about it). We are to report the offense via company established procedures, who will then forward the information to the FAA. It's up to the FAA whether or not they want to fine/prosecute the pax for it.



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User currently offlinemoriarty From Sweden, joined Jan 2006, 185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10902 times:

I was once (a couple of years ago) sitting in the row in front of a guy that tried to smoke on the toilet. Cannot remember the airline (ARN->LPA however), but I do remember this:

The guy was big, noisy and drunk and the flight attendant were quite small and looked like flight attendants do mostly: nice and polite. However, the scolding she performed was beyond impressive - I thought she was going to open up a door and throw the guy out at cruising altitude. He (the guy) shrunk half a meter at least, and I remember I promised myself never to get into an argument with a flight attendant, no matter how nice and/or timid they might look.

On a side note: He had numerous chances to behave before that, I even heard them offering him a nicotine patch. He still couldn't resist. I guess the failed attempt to smoke just was the final nail in the coffin.

Well, they informed him he was not welcome to fly with them again (this was a charter and we were heading towards the destination, not back home...). Think they mentioned fines as well.

Still, on the return leg, he was on the flight. Sober. And quiet like a mouse...



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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2609 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10708 times:
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Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 21):
Electronic cigarettes are prohibited, mainly due to the heating element (such things are not allowed).

I don't think this applies to European carriers. My sister regularly uses her electronic cigarette while flying and if I am not mistaken Ryanair sells them onboard.


User currently offlineskiaplg From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2012, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9989 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 23):

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 21):
Electronic cigarettes are prohibited, mainly due to the heating element (such things are not allowed).

I don't think this applies to European carriers. My sister regularly uses her electronic cigarette while flying and if I am not mistaken Ryanair sells them onboard.

It might be just certain carriers? I recently flew CFE-CDG AF operated by Régional, and they specifically mentioned that e-cigarettes were also not allowed


25 mcr : I flew with Virgin Atlantic last week, electronic cigarettes were specifically mentioned in the safety briefing as not permitted.
26 Post contains images ETinCaribe : Sure, mileage varies widely... Ok, my experience last year on a TK flight IST-ADD. A Turkish man got into the lav and lit up (so not as blatant as th
27 Quokkas : Just like there are no universal regulations in lighting up in public, so too there are no universal regulations on smoking in flight. This creates pr
28 Post contains images Birdwatching : No they don't, neither on international nor on domestic. I flew with them last year and smoking was prohibited, and nobody smoked. It's beyond me why
29 something : Without wanting to be pedantic but this is not exclusive to Australia. Article 1 of the ''Convention of International Civil Aviation'' states that ''
30 NASBWI : It's an A320 (A321s don't have overwing window exits), and a rather newer one, judging by the paneling/PSU's (they're the updated style consistent wi
31 B737900 : I think I can safely say that quite a few a.netters are too young to remember when smoking was allowed on US flights. I can sure remember it. Quite fr
32 cjg225 : This reminds me of when I was a kid. I was probably 4 and on a flight to LAX. I snitched on a guy who lit up in the lav and was holding his cigarette
33 Post contains images Superfly : That must be a new thing. I remember people smoking on my IL-62 flight to Havana. In fact I met some British guys in Havana that specifically chose t
34 Post contains images lightsaber : Why would anyone smoke on an aircraft? That is just rude. It is a confined space. And what is the rule on electric cigarettes. The reason I ask is som
35 spacecadet : It's a confined space yes, but like an earlier poster I too remember the days when it was common. Unlike him, though, my memory of it is that it real
36 Post contains images 4tet : 2 years ago I had a chance to smoke a cigar in a friend's GIV along with some rum on the rocks... Not joking! I was astonished when the captain turned
37 Post contains images ETinCaribe : and he got a triple shot of Mount Gay Rum... NO, I just made it up, but I thought that is where you were going. Glad it wasn't
38 B737900 : I'm sorry spacecadet, what you said is simply not true. The smoking/non-smoking separation was a joke. Of course you could smell it; your clothes wer
39 tonystan : You're wrong ya know!!!! Airlines with different cabin classes often had non smoking cabins smack bang in the middle of two smoking sections. Not to
40 B4REAL : I was on an aircraft in 2012 - DTW-AMS I believe on DL - and someone smoked in the bathroom. They were quick and not directly caught but the cabin cre
41 Post contains images Superfly : s Agreed. Something I never understood as a kid. Especially since we had to dress up and look fancy wearing our Sunday's best only to be in a smellin
42 RyanairGuru : 10 years ago (April 2003) I had two flights within almost as many weeks when someone had been smoking in the lavatory. In both cases there was an anno
43 Post contains images Superfly : There's no harm in that.
44 tonystan : Must admit, in the last 5 years I think Iv encountered it 3 times in totes and that's all Longhaul. I can actually remember the routes.....LON-SIN, LO
45 aklrno : I remember the bad old days before the complete smoking ban. The airlines thought they were doing you a big favor by having a non-smoking section. It
46 Post contains images mcr : I forget where I first heard this, but... "Having a no-smoking section on an aircraft makes about as much sense as having a no-peeing area in a swimmi
47 gr8circle : I read the last few posts criticising the policies of various airlines back in the day......I would say the airlines were just doing their best to acc
48 Superfly : I agree with you. Years have gone by now and many have forgot how smoking was commonplace back then. Smoking had been glamorized in the previous gene
49 spacecadet : Why do people express opinions here this way? What I said is just as "true" as what you say. You're remembering it differently, that's all. I flew se
50 tonystan : Care to tell us how they did have it then????? And which carriers back in the 70s did you fly with so we may dispute or discuss further!
51 B737900 : My experience was almost exclusively with Alaska Airlines way back then. The only bulkhead AS had on their 737's was/is between F and Y class. Back in
52 B727FA : qqflyboy, That may be the case or policy at your airline, but there is no "automatic" rule imposed by the FAA on this.
53 rwy04lga : Might be a bit bothersome for the guy in the middle seat.
54 vfw614 : I can tell you that one of the most vivid memories my wife has about air travel is that her father turned loose hell and earth when he found out that
55 zippyjet : Actually some of our 717's have an ashtray built into the outside of the lav doors.
56 Post contains images Superfly : Not a problem if he's asked to join. I never understood the logic used when smoking and non-smoking sections were assigned at restaurants, hotels and
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