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AF To Use The A380 On CDG-ABJ  
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 15183 times:

Starting September 2014, AIR FRANCE is planning to upgrade its Daily CDG-ABJ-CDG to an A380 (currently B77W).

AF is posting a record of PAX carried on the route with more than 186 000 PAX in 2012.
To face the nonstop growing raffic, Air France has added this summer 3 x Weekly flights with an A343 to the already Daily B77W flight.

With The A380, starting September 2014, the number of frequencies will return to 1 x Daily.

source : http://economie.jeuneafrique.com/reg...-france-fait-debarquer-l-a380.html



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User currently offlineairportugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3621 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 15179 times:

Wow. That's impressive.

Who is AF's competition on the route (if any)?



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3195 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 15151 times:

I'm wondering how A380 capable ABJ is currently? Maybe that is why AF is waiting until 2014 to upgauge this route?


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User currently offlineswallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 15122 times:

This will make ABJ the second African airport to receive A380 service, after JNB.

Are any mods required, or will pax deplane via the existing jetways?



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 15120 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2):
I'm wondering how A380 capable ABJ is currently? Maybe that is why AF is waiting until 2014 to upgauge this route?

ABJ is not yet A380 capable. Some work should start soon to uprgrade the infracstucture of the Airport.


User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 15081 times:

Surprising A380 destination. Not even EK sends an A380 there    (77W as a tag-on from ACC).


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User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2605 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14946 times:
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Great and surprising news. Even if the article mentions the return to daily flights it does not say if the A380 will operate daily. It could be used on a few weekly flights while the remaining days it would be a B777.

Ivory Coast has been doing really well lately. In 2010 they recorded a 3% growth and then in 2011 they were in recession (-4.7%) while last year they recorded spectacular growth of 9.8% with inflation rates kept low at 1.3%! I am sure that Air France gets a good share of transit passengers.


User currently offlineAF185 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2012, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 14935 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 5):
Not even EK sends an A380 there

AF/KL (including KQ) have a much stronger network in Africa than EK.
AF-KL serve 42 destinations in Africa, compared to 22 for EK.

I am not surprised to see the A380 in ABJ. This is a nice reward for Africa, being the best performing region for AF/KL.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14591 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 6):
Even if the article mentions the return to daily flights it does not say if the A380 will operate daily. It could be used on a few weekly flights while the remaining days it would be a B777.

It will be a DAILY A380. To keep the same cacapicity of today with a 77W + 3 x Weekly A343


User currently offlineJU068 From Vanuatu, joined Aug 2009, 2605 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14578 times:
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Quoting FlySSC (Reply 8):

Thanks, will it be the 9/80/449 configuration?


User currently offline744FOREVER From France, joined Mar 2013, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14370 times:

Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 1):
Who is AF's competition on the route (if any)?

Corsair International (SS) started 3 weekly ORY-ABJ last March 1st using 333 equipment.



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User currently offlineAzure From France, joined Dec 2012, 620 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14219 times:

Strangely this news was announced only by the AF local manager in ABJ during an itw. It is pretty unusual as generally the new A380 destinations are announced by the PR department or AF CEO, like Sao Paulo, also due to be operated by A380 in 2014. I am not saying ABJ will not be served by the A380 but surely AF is cautious with this info as ABJ might not be ready in due course.
AF announced last week the increase in seat capacity to ABJ but no mention of the A380: http://corporate.airfrance.com/filea..._Africa_an_even_denser_network.pdf



Quoting airportugal310 (Reply 1):
Who is AF's competition on the route (if any)?

Corsair has just started a 3 weekly flight from ORY to ABJ (by A333).



Quoting frigatebird (Reply 5):
Surprising A380 destination

Again, let's be wary with this info as it is not "official". But in fact, Abidjan is the second largest french-speaking metropolis in the world. There are very strong economic, politic and cultural ties between France and the Ivory Coast, a lot of expats on both sides, etc. Western Africa is AF territory and their bread and butter...



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13663 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 9):
Thanks, will it be the 9/80/449 configuration?

This configuration doesn't exist.

The 8 A380 operated by AF are all configured with 9P / 80J / 38W / 339Y


User currently offlinemiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 1035 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13454 times:
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Now if AF will just send the A380 to MIA, that'd be great.


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User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13259 times:

This is impressive, really.
Is most CDG-ABJ traffic local, or is there a lot of feed at CDG? Where are all those passengers going?


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9780 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13122 times:

According to Google Earth, ABJ only has 4 jetways to accomodate narrowbody aircraft such as the A320 and their runway is only about 3000 meters long. The ramp also looks very narrow to handle widebody aircraft. Based on the images I see a widebody aircraft can barely be pushed back from a gate. Are these images on Google Earth out of date? If not, then ABJ has a lot of work to do if it wants to accomodate/handle the A380!!!

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User currently offlineboeingrulz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12199 times:
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Google Earth shows the date of the imagery. It shows 14 Mar. 2013.

User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 10944 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 15):
According to Google Earth, ABJ only has 4 jetways to accomodate narrowbody aircraft such as the A320 and their runway is only about 3000 meters long. The ramp also looks very narrow to handle widebody aircraft. Based on the images I see a widebody aircraft can barely be pushed back from a gate. Are these images on Google Earth out of date? If not, then ABJ has a lot of work to do if it wants to accomodate/handle the A380!!!

I wouldn't worry about the runway length as the 380 doesn't require any more than other aircraft, but the ramp does look small in the google maps view. Though there is a pic of a Cargolux 747-800 in the photo DB so there must be large widebody stands available somewhere.

I suppose they could just remote park it and use mobile steps to avoid having to put in expensive things like airbridges and the like.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7572 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 10568 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
Starting September 2014, AIR FRANCE is planning to upgrade its Daily CDG-ABJ-CDG to an A380 (currently B77W).

Excellent news! I remember I flew CDG-ABJ in summer of 1996 and it was an A310-300 if I am not mistaken. How things change!

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 5):
Surprising A380 destination. Not even EK sends an A380 there

As Azure mentioned, there are very strong links between Côte d'Ivoire and France. If the political and social situation in Côte d'Ivoire has stabilized and the economy is growing (as others have indicated), then it makes sense. Congratulations to ABJ and AF!



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User currently offlineTheAviator380 From UK - England, joined Feb 2013, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8984 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 18):

Won't be long EK will send A380 to half of their destination...

Well done AF.
   

[Edited 2013-04-22 12:01:10]

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9611 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8763 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 14):


This is impressive, really.
Is most CDG-ABJ traffic local, or is there a lot of feed at CDG? Where are all those passengers going?

Impressive, but how many nations have a national language of French and have the name of the country officially being in French. I assume it local and business traffic from the strong ties between France and the Ivory Coast.



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User currently offlinetolmachevo From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8508 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 20):
but how many nations have a national language of French

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User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4772 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8235 times:

CDG-ABJ according to the stats I have from Sheppherd system show that 114,000 pax in 2012 flew point to point (no transit involved) between these two cities and not 186,000 as mentioned in the article itself.

Regardless its still a high volume market but wouldnt a high density 10 weekly B77W be better than a premium heavy A380?


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9611 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8027 times:

Quoting behramjee (Reply 22):
Regardless its still a high volume market but wouldnt a high density 10 weekly B77W be better than a premium heavy A380?

Some of the African markets tend to be heavy in business class and thin in economy. It's not a tourist destination, so either it is business traffic based which justifies the A380, or ethnic family based which would justify a high density 77W. Ivory Coast has strong exports (4th largest exporter in Sub-Sahara Africa).



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7572 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7883 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 23):
It's not a tourist destination, so either it is business traffic based which justifies the A380, or ethnic family based which would justify a high density 77W. Ivory Coast has strong exports (4th largest exporter in Sub-Sahara Africa).

Yup. Whenever you eat pineapples or cocoa-based products such as chocolates in France, Belgium, Italy, etc., there is a very large probability that the pineapples or the cocoa came from Côte d'Ivoire.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
25 airproxx : If the A380 is due to be sent to ABJ, I wonder if AF is considering sending it also to LBV.... The market seems to be in a constant growth for these p
26 Jalap : And this while only 2 European airlines serve the airport. SN also has a daily A330, though not non-stop. This market must be very hard to penetrate,
27 Viscount724 : Isn't Montreal (metropolitan area) slightly larger than ABJ?
28 TurkishWings : Turkish Airlines also serve Abidjan...
29 FlySSC : Air France has just upgraded CDG-LBV from 5 x Weekly to a DAILY flight nonstop flight with a B77W and is still waiting for the traffic rights to open
30 francoflier : There's a large O&D market between the two places for sure, although I wonder how much of the front end will be filled, especially since the A380
31 FlySSC : Not really ... : Currently AF flies a daily B77W + 3 x Weekly A343 to ABJ which means an offer of 559 Business Class seats per week (67 x 7 = 469, +
32 Post contains links Azure : Montreal population (2011) : 3,8 m Abidjan population : 4 m (source : http://districtabidjan.org/) Furthermore you are probably aware that not everyo
33 AirGabon : Yes TK flies 4 weekly to ABJ. Also to ABJ EK has a daily 777, SN a daily A330, ME 3 A330 per week (around 75,000 Lebanese are living in Ivory Coast),
34 AAexecplat : Uhm...Abuja is in Nigeria...not in Cote d'Ivoire...
35 FlySSC : Correct ... but ABJ = ABIDJAN / IVORY COAST. ABV = ABUJA / NIGERIA
36 Post contains images Azure : Which is btw served daily by AF I am sure some people in this forum have never heard of Abidjan before...
37 AAexecplat : Thanks for setting me straight.
38 Post contains images Jalap : Ah, they're not listed on the Abidjan airport website, then again the look and feel of that website didn't get me very confident about the accuracy o
39 TS-IOR : Maybe the Ivorians will ask Air France to participate financially in the works that should be done in ABJ...
40 RWA380 : Agreed, I often assume other people know what I'm talking about. It's amazing even the well heeled person I meet, rarely knows where Rhodesia is, whi
41 ETinCaribe : Good move by AF which clearly has a competitive advantage that is not going to be easy to match. As mentioned, Abidjan is an important center of Franc
42 Post contains images Azure : Based on what I have already read on the Ivoirian forums, it already happened. But AF will participate through the airport taxes to be paied anyway ,
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