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Pan Am Set For A Come Back In 2014 New Flights?  
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27295 posts, RR: 60
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 34760 times:

A news article suggesting Pan Am may launch flights in 2014. With all the re launches over the years does this actually cheapen the memory of the brand ?

It seems that they never last long each time they are revived.

Will PAN AM be back in early 2014 ?

Pan American Airways has entered into an operational agreement with a premiere consultancy boutique, that will provide comprehensive in-depth services to complete a formal reintegration plan for the Pan American brand into many LCC and Charter markets as a provider of US Part 121 scheduled services, with a projected point of entry taking place in late Q4 of 2013 through late Q1 of 2014

http://www.eturbonews.com/34553/will-pan-am-be-back-early-2014

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 34635 times:

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
With all the re launches over the years does this actually cheapen the memory of the brand ?

It doesn't cheapen the memory, but I could care less about what some fly-by-night is attempting to do at the moment with the name as a marketing gimmick for the umpteenth time.



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 34473 times:

Lets see - so they can start again and then go belly up in 2 years? We've heard this story before.

User currently offlinevegas005 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 34374 times:

An Eastern Airlines to start-up again ... story next (and repeated next year, and the year after etc...)

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7944 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 33952 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 2):
Lets see - so they can start again and then go belly up in 2 years? We've heard this story before.

How many times have we heard this indeed   I see this being another failed attempt to serve a niche market.



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User currently offlinePA727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 33904 times:
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Agree on all accounts, most likely a capital-raising gimmic that will never see the light of day.

But as the screen name implies, I can't resist a brief moment of hope at the thought of seeing the blue globe in the sky again. Pan Am was, it is no more and it should never be again.


User currently offlineanfromme From Ireland, joined Feb 2012, 476 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 33892 times:

While I'd love to see the brand back in the air, because it's so powerful even now (same for Braniff), I really don't care to see the next destined-to-fail-attempt to revive it as some cheap marketing trick.
On top of that, "LCC and Charter" goes completely against everything the PanAm brand stands for in my eyes.



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1806 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 32825 times:

There is not a market for the old Pan-Am anymore. , not in the US at any rate where competition is rife.

Only the Middle Eastern and Asian carriers with 5-star ratings can afford to capture the quality and luxury Pan Am was known for.

Why won't they just let it rest in peace?



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User currently offlinePanAm1971 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 31248 times:

The real problem is-no one has been able to raise enough capital to start it correctly. You'd need 6-8 billion and about 2-3 years of prep work to get off the ground with a reasonable chance of recreating Pan Am. Short of that-it's hard to take these attempts seriously.

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13518 posts, RR: 100
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 31110 times:
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This attempt has a fractionally better chance than prior thanks to the PanAm TV show. (Bummer not enough people watched it to continue...)

Quoting OA260 (Thread starter):
for the Pan American brand into many LCC and Charter markets

What?!? That isn't PanAm...

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 7):
Only the Middle Eastern and Asian carriers with 5-star ratings can afford to capture the quality and luxury Pan Am was known for.

   And that era is gone. I do not see how a LCC will sustain off the PanAm name...

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 452 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 30879 times:

Does this involve Guilford Transportation, the owner of the Pan Am name and Trademark? I didn't see anything about Guilford in the article.

Keep in mind that their Guilford Rail System is now called "Pan Am Railways" and uses the Pan Am logo on its locomotives, rolling stock and other equipment.

http://www.guilfordrail.com/


User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 2037 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 30302 times:

I'll say this: Unless you are capable to achieve anything near what positive is associated with that great name, leave it alone. The real Pan Am is long gone.

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 10):
Does this involve Guilford Transportation, the owner of the Pan Am name and Trademark? I didn't see anything about Guilford in the article.

Good question.



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User currently offlinebraniff722 From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 29810 times:

If they aren't going to place in service the , 727, the 747-200 or L-1011's, then it's a moot point and I will not fly with them. Same can be said for a, " New" Eastern start up as well!!!


 

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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 29573 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 9):
This attempt has a fractionally better chance than prior thanks to the PanAm TV show. (Bummer not enough people watched it to continue...)

It was not that great a show, and quite frankly it is would not have garnered the amount of viewers if not for the PA name and the nostalgic trend in TV today with Mad Men and a different vein the new Dallas. I am still waiting for Magnum P.I. and Simon and Simon to make a return as well as Gilligans Island.

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 10):
Does this involve Guilford Transportation, the owner of the Pan Am name and Trademark? I didn't see anything about Guilford in the article.

Keep in mind that their Guilford Rail System is now called "Pan Am Railways" and uses the Pan Am logo on its locomotives, rolling stock and other equipment.

http://www.guilfordrail.com/

This is my understanding that Guilford Transportation owns the name and the logo and companies have already tried to buy the name before and either Guilford was not interested or the price was too much. Pan Am built their airline on a reputation of providing a unique experience in the air and when there became competition for that market, they could not compete. People who think that the name alone will create that mystique and lure suckers to that airline are truly stupid and will fail just like all the previous times there have been so called visionaries thinking that they know better than other people and of course will fail. Watch this and learn why Pan Am could never go back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5w62jHUovM



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User currently offlinebwphoto From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 26797 times:

Technically, the PAN AM marks that pertain to rail transport services and those with the globe logo that pertain to luggage, coffee cups, shirts, etc. are owned by Pan American World Airways, Inc. of Dover NH. The correspondent for those registrations, however, is also corporate counsel for Boston & Maine Corporation.

User currently offline135mech From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 412 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 26216 times:
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Quoting lightsaber (Reply 9):
This attempt has a fractionally better chance than prior thanks to the PanAm TV show. (Bummer not enough people watched it to continue...)

Agreed! It's sad that not enough people watched it, but it didn't have the ADD/ADHD market captured to keep it around! Loved that show and it's cast!

As many have stated... (the original) Pan Am was truly a work of art... elite... classy... and they earned that status to claim to their great name! There is so much amazing history with that airline...HOWEVER that was BEFORE de-regulation and everyone running (needing to) cut-throat prices and the like.

Pan Am (very sadly) is not for this day and age and people should let it (as they say) Rest In Peace!

Regards,
135Mech


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10644 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 25098 times:

What happened to the "Pan Am" that was going to start up as a cargo airline, based in Brownsville, TX? Just another pie in the sky?


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User currently offlineJBAirwaysFan From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 25016 times:

While I couldn't agree more with you guys, it would be nice to see another airline enter the mix. With all of the consolidations occurring lately we could use another carrier in our industry.


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User currently offlinepeterjohns From Germany, joined Jan 2009, 208 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 22565 times:

Quoting braniff722 (Reply 12):

Goodness- I never realized they ever had the Tristar- but I checked- they really had a total of twelve for almost ( only) five years!

But I remember the Berlin FRA shuttle 727 very well. It flew through my sector I controlled for many years.
Watching it land in MUC was exciting- the Pilots must have had a bet going who could lower the gear latest.
I more than once saw the gear come out just over the fence!!
They also flew a lot of the first Airbuses. Hard to believe such an Icon is only in our memories today- and only in the older ones as well. Everyone in the business today under thirty doesn´t know "the Clipper". Some even think it´s a Hollywood airline made up for DiCaprio. Getting old is terrible!!


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25978 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 21538 times:

Quoting peterjohns (Reply 18):
Quoting braniff722 (Reply 12):

Goodness- I never realized they ever had the Tristar- but I checked- they really had a total of twelve for almost ( only) five years!

Pan Am's 12 L-1011-500s were best avoided, at least in Y class, as they had 10-abreast charter-type seating,

Three were sold to DL and 3 to the Royal Air Force in 1984/85. The other 6 went to UA in 1986 as part of the Pacific route purchase deal. UA operated them very briefly and sold 5 to DL and one to LTU in 1988/89. So DL eventually wound up with 8 of the 12 Pan Am L15s.


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 21250 times:

Quoting JBAirwaysFan (Reply 17):
While I couldn't agree more with you guys, it would be nice to see another airline enter the mix. With all of the consolidations occurring lately we could use another carrier in our industry

It would be nice if the industry were able to treat people like human beings as well, but it doesn't. Actually there are plenty of airlines in the United States. Most other countries would be only so lucky to have the choice that the Americans have. How many more airlines are needed in the United States. There are still plenty of airlines that are not always in a rosie financial way. The reason for consolidation is that there is too much capacity in the air still and I would not be surprised if we see another bankruptcy before the decade is out of a larger sized airline.



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User currently offlinewinstonlegthigh From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 21022 times:

It reminds me in a sad way of SAAB, and how they (just the name, that is...) are dabbling in the electric car business. A part of me just wants to see them hold on in hopes of somehow weathering the current storm and coming out on top, but who's fooling who? It will never be the same.


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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5533 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 20335 times:

Quoting peterjohns (Reply 18):

Goodness- I never realized they ever had the Tristar- but I checked- they really had a total of twelve for almost ( only) five years!

PAA like Eastern at one time managed to fly each first generation jumbo/wide body.


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Just like the Police Acadamey, Die Hard and Airport movies these rebirth's of Pan Am in the air, one loses count. I'd like to see the globe fly again but, you'd have more of a chance having the Cubs win the World Series than the latest incarnation of Pan Am being big, bold and successful and elegant like the original.



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3991 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 20133 times:
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Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
Pan Am's 12 L-1011-500s were best avoided, at least in Y class, as they had 10-abreast charter-type seating,

Yes, Pan Am L-1011s were configured in a 3-4-3 layout in Y Class. I flew on one in 1984 from JFK to DFW. I don't recall that airplane being uncomfortable in Y Class.
TWA and Delta configured those with a 2-5-2 layout. Eastern, I don't know.

Anyway, nice to hear they might come back. I'm wondering if they will fly to JFK and MIA because those were their hubs. What aircraft would they fly? Probably the A320, because that's what the original Pan Am was thinking of buying, the 727 and the A300 are too old. I don't think there are that many used passenger 727s and A300s available on the market. When the second Pan Am was reborn in 1996, the A300 was still young at that time.

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User currently offlinethorntot From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 19890 times:

With respect to the comparison that a true Pan Am re-start would have to encompass the service and luxury of carriers the likes of Emirates, et. al....

Is there a single city in the Americas perfectly positioned to serve the world with the range of today's aircraft, much like DXB, providing the perfect one-stop connection between the world's top markets?



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25 zippyjet : Here's an idea out of left field; Let Emirates buy the name and become the new Pan Am classic. They are probably the closest model to the classic Pan
26 Mcoov : If only these guys could focus on their railroad instead. I live near it (ex-B&M and MEC), and from about 1986 to 2009 (it was Guilford until 2006
27 aviateur : We're talking about a word, a name, that has NOTHING to do with the original Pan Am. This is no different than if I named my dog "Pan Am." You can re
28 Antoniemey : 2015. :D
29 Post contains images Deltal1011man : oh look another company is going to try to restart a failed airline. never really became much AFAIK Or.....not.
30 Post contains images mariner : I don't understand why people want to revive these old airline names. It wouldn't be the same airline and there are reasons why the originals went bu
31 Post contains links LatinPlane : The only surviving and original division of Pan Am still in business today is the Pan Am International Flight Academy, which never shut down. It was a
32 Post contains links voodoo : Here's another one............ http://www.flypex.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pubDsp.dspAirline
33 Post contains links Viscount724 : Eastern also 2-5-2, after their original 2-4-2 (like most other early L-1011 and DC-10 operators). Eastern 2-5-2 seat map here. http://boardingarea.c
34 doulasc : Where will this new Pan Am fly to? will it be in all 4 corners of the globe like the original? Let Pan Am and TWA RIP. Hope they are successful in the
35 Post contains links and images pliersinsight : According to the interwebs TWA is still around www.twa.com
36 Darksnowynight : LAX. You would need someone with about 10+ billion to invest in this, and then be willing to absorb losses for at least 7 years, as new airlines take
37 lh526 : What's in a name? There will be a new Airline named Pan Am ... it won't be the same as before and the golden Jet age won't resurrect. Labelling a town
38 PHX Flyer : May be I'm ignorant, but the news release does not have any contact information for the airline's PR department. The writing is rather unprofessional
39 Post contains links and images readytotaxi : Its about marketing nostalgia, heck that guy is Oz is doing the same thing with the Titanic. http://news.msn.com/pop-culture/Aust...naire-plans-to-reb
40 Post contains links FATFlyer : eturbonews edited the original press release, here is a link to a fuller version. http://www.prlog.org/12124456-pan-am...hts-on-service-for-early-201
41 dsuairptman : If someone is going to waste their $ on this scheme, why don't they at least take a shot with a name like Eastern or TWA? Both of those would be bette
42 Post contains images MaverickM11 : What "boutique consulting firm" is this? Best to leave PA memories as they never were: myths and misconceptions of a carrier that was largely a disast
43 777way : Can Pan Am name be franchised out of the US? if some one wants to set up a three plane fleet airline to fly from their country to the US to cater thei
44 Post contains links and images moose135 : Thanks for posting that link. I just discovered they stole one of my photos for their page... View Large View MediumPhoto © John Musolino
45 FATFlyer : Heck of a way to discover they took it without permission.
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