deaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1432 posts, RR: 1 Posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 36317 times:
The last two years have been very sad for Indian Aviation due to a certain airline going bust, but not only did it loose money, it completely dismembered alot of its fleet (which btw, did not belong to them).
This is a 6 year old aircraft, but looks like it is ready for the scrapyard.
All photographs are mine and taken by me, sorry for the small size.
I want every single airport and airplane in India to be on A.net!
na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 11494 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 36098 times:
Sad, a six year old A320?
I think what Kingfisher did to those planes that dont belong to them is a criminal act or close to it. A few years back I flew on a Kingfisher A320, in good shape, and it was the most comfortable domestic plane I was on in India, ahead of Indigo, Go Air, Jetconnect, AI and Spicejet...
Well, Vijay Mallya seems to be fine off still, he arrived in his red Bentley and was proudly sitting next table when I was at a restaurant opening in Goa last weekend.
n471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 36025 times:
Even aircraft that can fly away from India head to the scrappers---for example Jet Connect sent two 737-700's to the scrap yard yesterday----I simply cannot understand why any lessor would do business in India
Is the aircraft not the property of the leasing company? How can an aircraft be cannibalized like the one above without any repercussions from the leasing company? When you lease a car, you are required to bring it back with no damage or you must pay the cost to fix said damages. In this case, the plane cannot be repaired and it's original value must be reclaimed by the leasing company.
Support the beer and soda can industry, recycle old airplanes!
ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13766 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 32117 times:
Don't leasing companies have better monitoring of their leased aircraft ? It can't be that difficult to do so and it would be in their best interest to do so, to prevent a major devaluation of their property.
DIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 29122 times:
Quoting jagflyer (Reply 10): In this case, the plane cannot be repaired and it's original value must be reclaimed by the leasing company.
Reclaimed from whom? The company operating the aircraft is no longer in business. The original promoters of the company either have no money to or do not want to pay up. The authorities of the airport where the plane is parked won't release it unless they reclaim their landing and parking charges, which, as mentioned above, won't materialize from the former operators. The leasing company which wants to repossess the airplane will have to pay up not only to make the aircraft airworthy again, but also has to clear all the dues that the former operator has run up. In most cases, it is cheaper to buy a new airplane.
This is not the first time such an incident is happening in India. There are many such abandoned aircraft in a number of Indian airports. People doing business with operators who do not have a good background in the sector, need to be extra careful. The scumbag who owned Kingfisher is known to be a shady and flamboyant character who has not only run his company into the ground, but also defrauded his lessors, kept his own employees his near-slave like condition for months and used his political clout to extract untold millions from Indian state owned banks (and he isn't paying them back too). And he is still a free man.
The Kingfisher saga is the worst example of crony capitalism that one can ever encounter.
Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 3192 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 28454 times:
Even though im not a big fan of airbus planes, its really sad to see these images, especially that of a 6 year old aircraft. I actually cant believe they would do something like this (not only the aircraft, but they way the airline was run into the ground), but I guess that's what happens when greedy people run the show...
Ronaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 27024 times:
I don't want to be rude but who want that aircraft? I mean look at the photos ... the interiors, especially the cockpit looks very dirty (lot of dust or sand) and worn, and thats not only by the process of parting-out I guess. The age of an aircraft is irrrelevant if it's in bad condition.
The 777s which Air India want to get rid off comes in my mind. If the aircraft are in similar condition, no wonder that nobody wants them.
DTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 2325 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 24432 times:
It is obvious that someone is living in the cargo bay. Where was airport security?
Actually, the airplane is not in that bad of shape. The leasors can come in, replace the missing instruments and parts, clean it up and fly it out for a complete D check and overhaul. Just depends on if they want to spend the money or take the insurance money and write it off.
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CairnterriAIR From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 22244 times:
Never mind the stripping of parts....that aircraft looks like it never saw a moment of basic cleaning or any form of mechanical upkeep. Shameful, and perhaps if that is how companies in a given area operate, then perhaps the leasing companies should take their business to someplace less risky. Let the airlines there shell out some bucks for a plane sitting unused in the desert...then they can destroy it on their own dime.
bobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 22031 times:
Quoting na (Reply 2): ahead of Indigo, Go Air, Jetconnect, AI and Spicejet...
Therein lies the problem. India has massive excess capacity in its airlines. I read a story about a near miss between a KingFisher A320 and JetAirways 738. Both planes were carry a TOTAL of 87 passengers.