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Aircraft Cannibalization In India | Heartbreaking  
User currently offlinedeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 32631 times:

The last two years have been very sad for Indian Aviation due to a certain airline going bust, but not only did it loose money, it completely dismembered alot of its fleet (which btw, did not belong to them).

This is a 6 year old aircraft, but looks like it is ready for the scrapyard.

All photographs are mine and taken by me, sorry for the small size.




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User currently offlinepennphila From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 32578 times:

Very sad. Owner must be upset to say the least. Hope things turn around for you guys over in India. Wish you all the best!

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 32409 times:

Sad, a six year old A320?
I think what Kingfisher did to those planes that dont belong to them is a criminal act or close to it. A few years back I flew on a Kingfisher A320, in good shape, and it was the most comfortable domestic plane I was on in India, ahead of Indigo, Go Air, Jetconnect, AI and Spicejet...
Well, Vijay Mallya seems to be fine off still, he arrived in his red Bentley and was proudly sitting next table when I was at a restaurant opening in Goa last weekend.


User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 32336 times:
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Even aircraft that can fly away from India head to the scrappers---for example Jet Connect sent two 737-700's to the scrap yard yesterday----I simply cannot understand why any lessor would do business in India

User currently offlineirish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 970 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 32128 times:

Ex-Kingfisher A320 msn 2531 (formerly VT-KFF) arrived at Dublin today from Istanbul. It is now registered EI-EYA.

User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2327 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 32028 times:

It looks like the A/C in the pictures is an A321 and not an A320..


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User currently offlineirish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 970 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 31590 times:

Quoting irish251 (Reply 4):
Ex-Kingfisher A320 msn 2531 (formerly VT-KFF) arrived at Dublin today from Istanbul. It is now registered EI-EYA.

Actually this turns out to be an A319 msn 2621. It is ex-VT-KFH.


User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 31508 times:

Quoting irish251 (Reply 4):

Any idea who it's going to? Or is it being scrapped?



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User currently offlineirish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 970 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 31109 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 7):
Any idea who it's going to? Or is it being scrapped?

Further storage for now but I doubt there are any plans to scrap it.

EI-EYA A319-131


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User currently offlineheavy747 From Canada, joined Mar 2000, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 29221 times:

Quoting SXDFC (Reply 5):

It looks like the A/C in the pictures is an A321 and not an A320..

I agree. In the pic of the empty fuselage, there is a door there in between windows. A319's and A320's have window exits. The A321 is the only one equipped with 4 actual doors.



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User currently offlinejagflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 28549 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 3):

Is the aircraft not the property of the leasing company? How can an aircraft be cannibalized like the one above without any repercussions from the leasing company? When you lease a car, you are required to bring it back with no damage or you must pay the cost to fix said damages. In this case, the plane cannot be repaired and it's original value must be reclaimed by the leasing company.



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13095 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 28429 times:

Don't leasing companies have better monitoring of their leased aircraft ? It can't be that difficult to do so and it would be in their best interest to do so, to prevent a major devaluation of their property.

User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1791 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 25435 times:

Quoting jagflyer (Reply 10):
In this case, the plane cannot be repaired and it's original value must be reclaimed by the leasing company.

Reclaimed from whom? The company operating the aircraft is no longer in business. The original promoters of the company either have no money to or do not want to pay up. The authorities of the airport where the plane is parked won't release it unless they reclaim their landing and parking charges, which, as mentioned above, won't materialize from the former operators. The leasing company which wants to repossess the airplane will have to pay up not only to make the aircraft airworthy again, but also has to clear all the dues that the former operator has run up. In most cases, it is cheaper to buy a new airplane.


This is not the first time such an incident is happening in India. There are many such abandoned aircraft in a number of Indian airports. People doing business with operators who do not have a good background in the sector, need to be extra careful. The scumbag who owned Kingfisher is known to be a shady and flamboyant character who has not only run his company into the ground, but also defrauded his lessors, kept his own employees his near-slave like condition for months and used his political clout to extract untold millions from Indian state owned banks (and he isn't paying them back too). And he is still a free man.

The Kingfisher saga is the worst example of crony capitalism that one can ever encounter.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 24768 times:

Even though im not a big fan of airbus planes, its really sad to see these images, especially that of a 6 year old aircraft. I actually cant believe they would do something like this (not only the aircraft, but they way the airline was run into the ground), but I guess that's what happens when greedy people run the show...


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User currently offlineRonaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 23338 times:

I don't want to be rude but who want that aircraft? I mean look at the photos ... the interiors, especially the cockpit looks very dirty (lot of dust or sand) and worn, and thats not only by the process of parting-out I guess. The age of an aircraft is irrrelevant if it's in bad condition.

The 777s which Air India want to get rid off comes in my mind. If the aircraft are in similar condition, no wonder that nobody wants them.


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 22459 times:

I'm pretty sure the lessor will have an insurance covering that kind of scenario, especially if they're doing business in India or such places.

Still, there will be a long legal battle and it's anybody's guess how that goes...



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User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 22173 times:

Quoting na (Reply 2):
Well, Vijay Mallya seems to be fine off still, he arrived in his red Bentley and was proudly sitting next table when I was at a restaurant opening in Goa last weekend.

Shameless character, and an example of how political connections and corruption protect the rich and the criminal much more in India than in other countries.


User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1622 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 20746 times:

It is obvious that someone is living in the cargo bay. Where was airport security?

Actually, the airplane is not in that bad of shape. The leasors can come in, replace the missing instruments and parts, clean it up and fly it out for a complete D check and overhaul. Just depends on if they want to spend the money or take the insurance money and write it off.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12115 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19520 times:
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Whats the condition of the outside like on those grounded Kingfisher aircraft?

User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2499 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19521 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 15):

I'm pretty sure the lessor will have an insurance covering that kind of scenario, especially if they're doing business in India or such places.

True, but things may get to the point where an insurer may not want to underwrite an aircraft leased to an Indian lessor.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 17):

It is obvious that someone is living in the cargo bay. Where was airport security?

I was wondering about that myself. At least the frames in Dublin will be subjected to cleaner air and fewer vagrants.

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User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 19368 times:

It was most like security assigned to guard the aircraft who set up a bunk arrangement inside, likely to handle their duty in rotating shifts.

User currently offlineCairnterriAIR From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 18558 times:

Never mind the stripping of parts....that aircraft looks like it never saw a moment of basic cleaning or any form of mechanical upkeep. Shameful, and perhaps if that is how companies in a given area operate, then perhaps the leasing companies should take their business to someplace less risky. Let the airlines there shell out some bucks for a plane sitting unused in the desert...then they can destroy it on their own dime.

User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1716 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 18345 times:
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Quoting na (Reply 2):
ahead of Indigo, Go Air, Jetconnect, AI and Spicejet...

Therein lies the problem. India has massive excess capacity in its airlines. I read a story about a near miss between a KingFisher A320 and JetAirways 738. Both planes were carry a TOTAL of 87 passengers.


User currently offline2008matt From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 18314 times:

Such a shame that Kingfisher had a criminal at the helm, a few years ago i flew LHR - Mumbai - Bangkok on A330 and A319. There were very comfy, with exceptional cabin crew in my opinion.


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User currently offlinetommyy From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 18117 times:

Does anybody know what is the story of he A330's sitting in Zurich for the past few months ?

25 deaphen : These birds are young and still have a high residual value, they will not be scrapped. Put simply, yes it is and an aircraft cannot be legally cannib
26 jfk777 : Seems the A330 escaped intact from India since Kingfisher stopped LHR flying first.
27 gr8circle : deaphen, if this is about IT aircraft, why have you put the title as Isn't that misleading? It leads to these sort of comments..... I thin the thread
28 Post contains images GCT64 : The two 737-700s from Jet Konnect are both early examples (#138 and #152 from 1998). Given that they have gone to eCube at St Athan where A320s, A318
29 bennett123 : Especially given that 3 U2 B737-700's and 2 Austrian B737-700's have ended their days at Kemble in the last couple of years.
30 deaphen : Quite right, but this example is a bird with her first flight in 2006. Much younger.
31 sankaps : You may be right. Was thrown off by the bottle of mineral water in the phot, made it look like someone's living quarters!
32 n471wn : Sorry but you are wrong---they are being scrapped
33 sankaps : Can you confirm the tail number please, and the fact that it is an A321?
34 gatorman96 : Based off the interior pics you provided, I can't even imagine what the engines, flight surfaces and landing gear looks like. I am sure they are more
35 KarelXWB : The pictures in the first post are gone?
36 TheRedBaron : Cant see the pics just the first and last... such a shame IT was run by a thief...
37 na : All domestic flights I had in India over the past 2 years (about 10 flights) were full or almost full. The stored 777 I saw at BOM last week didnt lo
38 aloges : Deaphen's photobucket account is out of bandwidth, hence the "look who's popular" notice.
39 Spacepope : That's not a bottle of water, it's an aerosol spray can.
40 ThomasCook : Search 'Aircraft Canbalization India' on google images and the pictures will show there. ThomasCook
41 Post contains links and images flywrite : It's so sad to see airliners in this kind of state, especially when they usually have life in them. There are some similar images in the new Mumbai Ai
42 sankaps : Wow! Pathetic. Have not seen such a careless, ugly, scrap-littered scene ever at any major commercial airport in the world! Any idea when this photo w
43 Post contains links bennett123 : http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-a320-97.htm http://www.planespotters.net/Product...320/097,VT-EPT-Indian-Airlines.php This site indicates Delh
44 na : The place in the middle of BOM airport where currently some A310s (among them a colourful one that I couldnt identify) are being cut up (very close t
45 sankaps : Do we know that it is the same aircraft? Airfleets says VT-EPT is stored, the aircraft pictured above does not looked stored, it appears to have been
46 na : "Stored" in India means usually that a plane is in a state of scrapping. Those fleetlists cant always get up-to-date data from there. Several old Ind
47 sankaps : Yes, I can believe that. However why then would a photo of an aircraft being scrapped in DEL land up in a book on Mumbai's airports?
48 bennett123 : Hello Na, Are you able to confirm the colour schemes of the A310's, and if they are freighters. Many thanks. David
49 DTW2HYD : Airfleets says Scrapped Planespotters says Stored
50 bmibaby737 : Planespotters.net shows... std at DEL 2009 Broken up 2011 at DEL Preserved at Sai Museum, Sai Baba Temple since March 2012 [fuselage only]
51 sankaps : Thanks. But the question still remains, do we know for sure if the scrapped aircraft pictured VT-EPL? And if it is, what is it doing in a book about
52 na : I have seen a freighter in a colourful scheme unknown to me (orange, blue and yellow stripes), and two AI (pax) A310s, one in the old, one in the cur
53 Post contains links bennett123 : http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-a310-544.htm http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=945084 I think that this aircraft is the freighter wi
54 gr8circle : A scrap yard, in which a plane is being broken up, will look more or less the same anywhere in the world......don't know what you find "careless" or
55 Post contains links DTW2HYD : If parts are worth more than the frame itself lessors may prefer just to sell parts and leave metal in India. India is world's dump yard for scrap met
56 RickNRoll : Is it possible that the cannibalisation is more than just that, but outright theft? The amount of parts missing seems to indicate more than just grab
57 jagflyer : Where are the parts going and who is cannibalizing the aircraft? Kingfisher no longer exists so they obviously are not putting the parts on other plan
58 sankaps : I agree, but is this a scrap yard only? If it is BOM, then it is right next to the main runway in a fully operational commercial airport. Junk and de
59 bennett123 : My reason for thinking that the A320 in reply 41 was VT-EPT is that it seems to be Indian Airlines. VT-EPT seems to be the only Indian Airlines A320 t
60 na : Thats it, yes. The one in the current livery has red tape over titles, registration and even over the IATA logo. Judging from the length of the stick
61 DTWPurserBoy : Theft is indeed a possibility. I noticed that one of the FMC's was still in place. That is a very valuable piece of equipment!
62 Post contains links and images KarelXWB :
63 aloges : That just makes you angry, doesn't it?
64 sankaps : KarelXWB -- the photo of the KF aircraft you posted above was taken by me, incidentally, in DEL. And this was when KF was still in operation! They ha
65 KL5147 : just out of curiosity do you know the regi of this a/c?
66 sankaps : No, did not note that but recall it was a former Air Deccan registration.
67 DTWPurserBoy : For people that love and respect airplanes, these are outrageous pictures. It is nothing less than vandalism and those responsible should be charged.
68 sankaps : Don't think security is an issue -- as a matter of fact it is tight in India. These cannibalizations are likely the result of deliberate decisions by
69 lightsaber : This is money, so no emotions required. It is going to make it tougher for other Indian airlines to lease aircraft. For example, inspections or highe
70 KarelXWB : I can only say 1 thing: nice catch! We now have a clear image on what to think about the aircraft cannibalization in India. I never realized it was t
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